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RMPGP
01-05-2007, 05:05 PM
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Will Apple Outsourcing to India Equal Lost Jobs and Frustrated Customers in America?

By Darcy Richardson
Mar 10, 2006

Apple Computer Inc. announced its decision to set up its first massive technical support center in India. It will open as early as May 2006. Apple has officially jumped into the ranks, with Dell and other global technology companies, of those who outsource outside America. Apple fans and employees, in the United States, have been posting their concerns over the potential loss of employment and the quality of technical support that Indian employees can provide.

According to a post at Times News Network by Sujit John, a Karnataka state government official in Bangalore, the site location for the facility, said, “the government had cleared Apple’s proposal to invest in Bangalore. But they are yet to reveal the extent of investment or the total employment. They should be starting operations within the next two months.”

Apple could hire as many as 1,500 employees by the end of this year, and then double that to 3,000 by the end of 2007. Bangalore was chosen after an evaluation of seven Indian cities, and property developer RMZ Corp will create the facility. Sources think that Apple’s decision is predicated upon its record fiscal performance in 2005, in which a growth of 68 percent raised the company’s worth to $14 billion dollars. The future of Cupertino’s Apple employees is uncertain; outsourcing to India will save money, but how far Apple will cut back stateside with its tech-support team is a hot topic for speculation.

Apple fans began immediately posting their comments early Thursday morning when the news was released. At the MacWorld.com forum, user “Uchuugaka” posted:“No. No. NO… this is terrible news. When tech-support centers are far afield from real management centers of companies, you get nothing usually…Apple has had outstanding support and service for years…Why would they blow this?? Even here in Tokyo, I can speak to someone from Apple on the phone.” “Uchuugaka” continues his lament with the soothing thought that at least there are Apple stores that give great service in person.

“Philbert” writes: “As an American, I don’t have a problem with outsourcing in principle. It’s truly a global world and everyone has a right to earn a living. I just think it’s a BAD idea to have personnel who’s job entails communication with customers when the exchange turns into [a] frustrating experience because of language barriers. There’s a good chance the customer is already frustrated with a problem (why else would you call tech support), and trying to communicate with someone who’s hard to understand only compounds the frustration. I know it’s about saving money but BAD MOVE Apple! Let’s hope you do a better job in picking personnel than the other companies I’ve dealt with.”

At the Arstechnica comments page, user “svdsinner” does not have a very positive forecast for Apple’s outsourcing move: “I’ve never seen any of the companies I watch have long term success with outsourcing. Outsourcing that saves money always comes with a loss of quality, and outsourcing that does result in a loss of quality doesn’t result in cost savings.”

User “Deimos the Impaler” suggests: “Well if it’s used for after-hours support only, since it’s daytime there when it’s night over here…if they work on their employees’ English skills perhaps it can work…”

And not to be ignored are the people who defend the customer service skills of Indians, such as user “Pureheartedsoul”: “Indians speak English just fine…you pay American companies lots of dollars for ‘SUPPORT’ and they keep all the money for themselves and outsource the support to India and SAVE money…[accept] the fact that India is the global leader in outsourcing…”

Another result of Apple’s outsourcing efforts partnered with Hollywood is detailed in the www.macnn.com post, “Apple digital media training center opens in India.” Apple Computer India and Hyderabad-based Padmalaya Telefilms have partnered to create a center in India for digital media training. “This digital media center aims to bridge the gap between demand and supply of qualified technicians - a problem that is quite common in the TV, film and broadcasting industry.”

It’s the global age, and Apple is an integral part of it. Only the future will tell if outsourcing is a wise move for the company, or if the backlash will sting of reconsideration.

abudabit
01-05-2007, 05:16 PM
I don't mind outsourcing, but can you please outsource phone based jobs to somewhere other than INDIA? Even when those fuckers fluently speak English you STILL can't understand a god damned word coming out of thier mouths. Why not outsource to China? Or Mexico?

RMPGP
01-05-2007, 05:19 PM
India has developed itself as the calling center for the US, just like China has developed itself as the factory for the US.

abudabit
01-05-2007, 05:24 PM
Wablle doodle do you have your wabble doodle handy? Please give me your wable doodle number.

Fucking cock suckers. At least can they screen out the worst of them? Maybe for thier job interview have them speak on the phone with 10 random Americans and only hire them if 8/10 of the Americans can clearly understand the Indian.

duGandfriends
01-05-2007, 05:35 PM
Oh come on you guys....How often does a mac user call customer service?

EvilEva
01-05-2007, 06:23 PM
Oh come on you guys....How often does a mac user call customer service?
QFT

martianvirus
01-05-2007, 06:34 PM
Oh come on you guys....How often does a mac user call customer service?The few mac users I know usually as me for help. And I can't fuckin stand macs.:icon_evil

MilkmanDan
01-05-2007, 06:39 PM
The few mac users I know usually as me for help. And I can't fuckin stand macs.:icon_evil

*nod. I hate dealing with those overpriced fanboi shitboxes.

The only time this crap ever effected me was around 1997 when Compaq decided to shitcan about 300 of us for India (out of Unisys-Bluebell PA).

I was getting postal (eheheheh... uck) anyway, was time for a change.

Michael Agosta
01-05-2007, 06:44 PM
They need to outsource to Philippines. They are competent and speak perfect English. No heavily accented English like those damn dotheads.

SteveMKIIDub
01-05-2007, 09:50 PM
This has been such a recent trend in the last few years by companies. Apparantly, it's fair to offshore jobs and then sell your product back to our market with little to no tarrifs. That is fair, sure, but then to lobby the government for tax cuts and then blame the American worker for being uneducated, all while tax cuts only exhuberate the problem with public education to begin with? Not fair, me thinks.

Pick up Lou Dobbs latest gem "The war on the middle class". I was quite shocked to see the amount of hard lobbying that goes on by companies that really works against most of us. ):

LilConnersPenis
01-05-2007, 09:53 PM
Well actually they are finding out outsourcing really isn't that benefical and are now starting to stop it.

abudabit
01-05-2007, 09:54 PM
Yeah, the Philippines would definitely be better. I love pinay chicks, they need to have adorable sounding women taking all the calls. None of these fat black chicks named Lawanda. I don't want to talk with Lawanda. Lawanda just sounds like a fat bitch and she bugs me.