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FellowTraveler
01-12-2007, 04:05 PM
http://news.com.com/Senators+aim+to+restrict+Net,+satellite+radio+reco rding/2100-1028_3-6149915.html

Looks like someone got a big fat check from the RIAA

Senators aim to restrict Net, satellite radio recording
Music industry backs the effort, but digital rights groups say it would erode users' music-listening freedoms.
By Anne Broache
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
Published: January 12, 2007, 10:35 AM PST
Last modified: January 12, 2007, 1:01 PM PST
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update Satellite and Internet radio services would be required to restrict listeners' ability to record and play back individual songs, under new legislation introduced this week in the U.S. Senate.

The rules are embedded in a copyright bill called the Platform Equality and Remedies for Rights Holders in Music Act, or Perform Act, which was reintroduced Thursday by Sens. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), Joseph Biden (D-Del.) and Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.). They have pitched the proposal, which first emerged in an earlier version last spring, as a means to level the playing field among "radio-like services" available via cable, satellite and the Internet.

By their description, that means requiring all such services to pay "fair market value" for the use of copyright music libraries. The bill's sponsors argue the existing regime must change because it applies different royalty rates, depending on what medium transmits the music.

But the measure goes further, taking aim at portable satellite radio devices, such as XM Satellite Radio's Inno player, that allow consumers to store copies of songs originally played on-air. The proposal says that all audio services--Webcasters included--would be obligated to implement "reasonably available and economically reasonable" copy-protection technology aimed at preventing "music theft" and restricting automatic recording.

"New radio services are allowing users to do more than simply listen to music," Feinstein said in a statement. "What was once a passive listening experience has turned into a forum where users can record, manipulate, collect and create personalized music libraries."

The Recording Industry Association of America applauded the effort and urged Congress to make passing the legislation a top priority this year. The lobbying group sued XM last year over a music-storing device offered by the service, arguing that it should have to pay licensing fees akin to what Apple pays to run its iTunes download service.

"We love satellite radio," RIAA CEO Mitch Bainwol said in a statement. "But this is simply no way to do business. It's in everyone's best interest to ensure a marketplace where fair competition can thrive."

XM Satellite Radio spokesman Chance Patterson called the proposed legislation "ill-advised" because, among other things, it would "harm consumers' long-protected recording rights." The company is making "good progress" in resolving what he referred to as "a business dispute with our partners in the music industry" and, besides, satellite radio outfits already pay royalties, he said.

In what the bill's sponsors describe as an attempt to avoid "harming" songwriters and performers, the Perform Act makes distinctions about what sort of recordings listeners would be allowed to make, according to a copy of the bill obtained by CNET News.com.

Radio listeners would be permitted to set their devices to automatically record full radio programs on certain channels at certain times. But allowing users to program their devices to automatically find and record specific sound recordings, artists or albums--say, only all Michael Jackson tracks played on the service--would be prohibited. So-called "manual" recording would be allowed, as long as it's done "in a manner that is not an infringement of copyright."

In addition, the services would have to employ technological protection measures that prevent people from "separating component segments of the copyrighted material" contained in broadcasts. And they would be required to restrict users' "redistribution, retransmission or other exporting" of all or part of copyright music to other devices--unless the destination device is part of a secure in-home network that also limits the scope of automated recordings.

It is unclear how the proposed requirements would affect software recorders. A Mac OS X utility called StreamRipperX, for instance, permits songs from Internet radio stations to be saved as unprotected MP3 files. If future versions of such software tried to circumvent the digital rights management (DRM) technology used in encrypted broadcasts, they would almost certainly violate the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.

Digital rights advocacy groups vowed to fight the proposal. A similar bill of the same name introduced last spring encountered considerable resistance from such groups and individual Webcasters, even spawning an opposition Web site.

Opponents argue the proposed rules would stymie users' ability to record music off the radio. And by forcing Webcasters to blanket their content with DRM schemes, they would essentially erase the possibility of editing broadcasts for personal use and would potentially make the shows interoperable with fewer portable players.

Under current law, Webcasters must pay royalties to record companies and may not assist their users in recording their Webcasts, but they do not have to employ DRM. Most streaming radio stations, including those operated through Live365, ShoutCast and Apple's iTunes, use an open MP3-streaming format.

The proposal "remains a fundamental assault on consumers' reasonable rights and expectations about home recording and fair use in any modern context," said Robert Schwartz, general counsel to the Home Recording Rights Coalition.

Gigi Sohn, president of advocacy group Public Knowledge, said she sympathized with calls for streamlined music licensing but blasted the bill as "a direct attack on the satellite music industry and on nascent terrestrial digital radio." She said the bill attempts wrongly to equate download services like iTunes with radio services.

"This bill looks to the past rather than to the future," she said in a statement, "by limiting the ability of consumers to use material to which they have subscribed and by limiting future innovations in electronics."

martianvirus
01-12-2007, 04:37 PM
As long as it doesn't interfere with my O&A recording, I don't care.

WhiteHonkyDevil
01-12-2007, 05:03 PM
Goddamnit.

The Inno has already been crippled as it is, with the whole FM Modulator dealy....now they're looking for a way to start this shit?

Pappagiorgio
01-12-2007, 11:16 PM
The labels are more of a threat to songwriters and bands than consumers are.

generoso
01-13-2007, 01:02 AM
Goddamnit.

The Inno has already been crippled as it is, with the whole FM Modulator dealy....now they're looking for a way to start this shit?
Hence why mine is still at 1.05..I'll never update..

Angelfuck
01-13-2007, 01:09 AM
Ive been getting shitty reception on my helix lately, I was thinking maybe I had to update, bad idea?

WhiteHonkyDevil
01-13-2007, 01:10 AM
Hence why mine is still at 1.05..I'll never update..


I never planned on it, but then my first Inno ended up destroyed...when I finally got a new one, it was the first firmware where the FM mod had been fucked..

LastDeadMouse
01-13-2007, 03:15 AM
Do they not understand the concept of personal use?!?

BravoSierra
01-13-2007, 03:43 AM
Fuck drug use, fuck the war, fuck the crime rate.... we need to target.... wait, what? Me?

SOS
01-13-2007, 09:52 AM
Dont vote for these people next time:
Sens. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.),
Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.),
Joseph Biden (D-Del.)
Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.).

generoso
01-13-2007, 10:25 AM
I never planned on it, but then my first Inno ended up destroyed...when I finally got a new one, it was the first firmware where the FM mod had been fucked..
I actually treat mine like gold now...Bought the rubber wrap around from Ziggy, That Fm transmitter kicks ass..I go into stores set it to 106.1 the main local station here.And in the right position I can block it out...really cool..

Kurto2021
01-13-2007, 04:09 PM
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070112-8609.html

A new bill introduced in the US Senate this week would force satellite, digital, and Internet radio providers (but not over-the-air radio)

what a bunch of crap!!!!

Contact your Senators boys!!!
http://senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

Radioguy
01-13-2007, 04:29 PM
If this were to happen, they'd have to cripple current models via firmware updates?

I always hated Delphi for pulling the usb enabled MyFi cradle before it was released, but now I feel a little safer not having it. ;)

I guess Inno owners need to beware...

rowdy
01-13-2007, 05:09 PM
Emailed my Senators. Lets hope this dies in committee again.

Stalker Patti
01-13-2007, 06:41 PM
Afraid of recording shows and songs,etc for legal reasons...If I go back in time to 1968 when I was a kid, all the music and stuff I recorded off the radio onto a conventional tape recorder at the time could get me in trouble now, according to these bureaucrat's standards. I think they should find better things to codncern their legal minds with rather than be so paranoid and rediculous...people will record favorite shows, songs, etc...and these recordings will only fill one purpose: I am a fan, I enjoy the song,etc...and I simply want to hear it over again at my leisure; I am not going to "sell" the song,or whateverf it is these people are afraid of!

NoSurviivors
01-13-2007, 06:47 PM
If I go back in time to 1968 when I was a kid, all the music and stuff I recorded off the radio onto a conventional tape recorder at the time could get me in trouble now, according to these bureaucrat's standards.

It's not so much the personal recording, it's resale and sharing that they're going to constantly attempt to stop. As long as the recording industry hold a lobby in DC, this bill will never go away. They want full control over their product. If you share it publicly, you are 'taking the food from their mouths'.

Just like they do to the artists in the first place.

LastDeadMouse
01-14-2007, 04:23 AM
I guess Inno owners need to beware...
Only if they're dumb enough to update the firmware without doing research. I got my inno with 1.10 and didn't update to 1.30 until I knew exactly what it was going to do. When the next set of firmware comes out I'll be doing the same thing.

Radioguy
01-14-2007, 02:15 PM
It's not so much the personal recording, it's resale and sharing that they're going to constantly attempt to stop. As long as the recording industry hold a lobby in DC, this bill will never go away. They want full control over their product. If you share it publicly, you are 'taking the food from their mouths'.

Just like they do to the artists in the first place.

Actually, you're wrong. The RIAA has always tried to stop home recording, and still does. Don't you remember this?

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5079/tapingkillsng9.png

The recrding industry has, and always WILL, try to prevent you from transferring your purchased music to another format.

If you bought vinyl, and wanted to tape it, they wanted you to buy a new tape version, and fought manufacturers who came out with home recorders.

If you wanted to dub your tape, they wanted you to buy another copy, and again fought manufacturers who came out with dual dubbing tape decks.

They they wanted to stop those few who wanted to tape CDs, but they already lost the court battles. The new battle came with ripping, and now, even though it's legal to rip your own CD for your own purposes, they use the fight against P2P to prevent you from doing even that, and push you towards buying downloadable mp3s of the same music again.

They will never change.

XM, on the other hand, knows they can't expect, nor even ask people not to tape at home. They know people will (even though it's not CD quality), and only had to crack down a little when the RIAA said (because of Timetraxx) that it was to easy to rip music from the network. That caused them to discontinue the XMPCR, pull the USB enabled MyFi and SkyFi, and cripple the Inno and Helix on the drawing board.

That's not to say XM wants us to home record, that's why there's Audible.com. ;)

Only if they're dumb enough to update the firmware without doing research. I got my inno with 1.10 and didn't update to 1.30 until I knew exactly what it was going to do. When the next set of firmware comes out I'll be doing the same thing.

Assuming they truthfully document all the changes in it...

hartdykes
01-14-2007, 02:33 PM
I can't record off my xm. I have to pay fucking $14 a month, and I have to listen to commercials. WHAT THE FUCK. By the way I understand when the radio shows are live you need the break but why do I have to listen to retarded commercials about awnings , porn, and crap that I would never listen to or buy.


P.S. bustmynerves.com its a new message board
(If XM can advertise so can I)

Jerry1
01-14-2007, 02:52 PM
Funny thing is that like two or three years ago The RIAA didn't really care about satellite radio and what it could do. Now in the last few years they got issues with it, XM especially.
Just goes to show the rise in popularity of satellite radio in general and its threat to terrestrial radio.(Too bad the Inno didn't come out years ago right?)
I wish someone would tell the RIAA "Hey, Wanna make some money garaunteed without sueing someone or crying to Congress? HOW ABOUT PUTTING OUT SOMETHING WORTH BUYING!!!???"

Well, I guess I ain't upgrading my firmware anytime soon.......

d0uche_n0zzle
01-14-2007, 02:54 PM
Isn't it just great living in the Home of the Free and Brave.

Jerry1
01-14-2007, 03:08 PM
Isn't it just great living in the Home of the Free and Brave.

More like "Home of the Free and the Greedy"

ShesTooOld
01-14-2007, 06:09 PM
All I want is for the artists I work with to not have to get a full time job because people are sharing music. Before you say it, they do all go out and play gigs but its still damn hard to pay your bills sometimes, then you get an email from a guy that says "I love your music, just downloaded it all from (at the time) napster." Meanwhile the guy was struggling to feed his kids.

I do not think that the RIAA should have any problem with us recording our XM feeds, its not clean enough that I want to keep any of the music that I record on my airware.

There has to be a way to compensate an artist fairly and still allow the end user 'fair useage.' Every piece of music i have is on my iPod I dont remember the last time I played an actual CD. Strangely I still buy the real CD over paying for downloads, mainly because I can rip at whatever bitrate i want, etc.

TrybalRage
01-14-2007, 08:29 PM
Nothing Feinstein ever does is any good, but she's like a Kennedy - in till death.

Jerry1
01-15-2007, 08:14 PM
All I want is for the artists I work with to not have to get a full time job because people are sharing music. Before you say it, they do all go out and play gigs but its still damn hard to pay your bills sometimes, then you get an email from a guy that says "I love your music, just downloaded it all from (at the time) napster." Meanwhile the guy was struggling to feed his kids.

I do not think that the RIAA should have any problem with us recording our XM feeds, its not clean enough that I want to keep any of the music that I record on my airware.

There has to be a way to compensate an artist fairly and still allow the end user 'fair useage.' Every piece of music i have is on my iPod I dont remember the last time I played an actual CD. Strangely I still buy the real CD over paying for downloads, mainly because I can rip at whatever bitrate i want, etc.

Good point!

I still buy CDs myself. I mainly buy the artists I'm a fan of, but in the case where I just want one song or a hard to find one and I'll download it. Don't mind supporting the artists when i can.
Another nice thing about having the CDs is that in case I gotta format my drive or something goes wrong, at least I won't have to redownload anything. I got it on CD.
I don't think the Inno or Myfis or whatever should be an issue either. I mainly record O&A and maybe the Boneyard or one of the Decades channels so I'll have some music I haven't heard in awhile on it. Then when I'm done with it, I delete it.

SinA
01-16-2007, 01:06 AM
f' it, i can't post pictures

Premarital Sex
01-16-2007, 04:19 AM
Gee... that's weird.

Sinn Fein
01-16-2007, 04:40 AM
Sure is. I guess I'll have to get Zag to check on it later this morning.

LetsDoThisLucas
01-31-2007, 01:54 PM
http://www.thestreet.com/_aol/newsanalysis/techgames/10333867.html?cm_ven=AOL&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA?cm_ven=AOL&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA

I think The Inno should come out victorious although it might cost them alot of money.


What I dont get is why was Sirius able to settle thier dispute so easily and XM isnt.

Ted the Poster
01-31-2007, 02:28 PM
Dont vote for these people next time:
Sens. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.),
Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.),
Joseph Biden (D-Del.)
Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.).
Otherwise known as "The Usual Suspects." Feinstein needs a kick right in the old Barbara Boxer.

Ted the Poster
01-31-2007, 02:29 PM
What I dont get is why was Sirius able to settle thier dispute so easily and XM isnt.

Hoo, hoo....