Is It In the Shows BEST INTEREST to only be LIVE on FREE FM?

[Mike]

I know I am going to get flamed for this, but I am going to throw it out there and see if we can get a normal discussion.

While I know it takes time, ratings have been pretty low for the O&A show over most of the country. Like many people have pointed out, most real fans are probabbly listening on XM.

While thats great for the show, it's bad for the syndicated radio stations who need to sell ad space based on listners. Not a lot of listeners = Not a lot of money = getting kicked off Free FM stations.

It would seem to me that it would be in O&A's best interests to not air the FREE FM show live on XM in the morning, forcing everyone to listen to Free FM. Then re-air the show later on XM.

I understand that XM probabbly would never alow this, but they are jepordizing syndication under the current system.

There has never been a system like this, and I'm not sure the "code" to making it work for everyone has been figured out...But as it stands now, their ratings on Free FM will always be lower as fans buy XM and start listening on there instead.

Thoughts?

[MondoTopless]

not a bad idea...i would like to get more of america to get hooked on the virus and i know they're not gonna get started by being an xm subscriber. from what i've seen, the virus is caught almost always on terrestrial radio. and from there they go get xm and then have no need to listen on freefm anymore...

so yeah, not a bad idea, but very unrealistic according to xm contracts and such

[Philly loser]

I won't be the first to flame you. I think it's actually a logical question from a CBS Radio business standpoint. However, I can't see your scenario ever happening.

I will also say that I want the boys to enjoy as much success as possible and that means syndication and hopefully big ratings.

BUT... in my perfect world, they are only on XM.

[roche]

It will never happen. It is like asking your swinger wife if you can move in with that third chick.

[Mike]

I agree, it probabbly wont happen...But I cant see how they can ever be successfull on Free FM then.

While I think they can get ratings, I dont think they can destroy competition in big cities for the reasons stated above.

They sort of canablize thier own show.

[7cent]

no... XM is growing, I hope they always think XM 1st terrestrial 2nd...OK too late for that, but if they went back to just XM and they could be satisified with that the show would be better.

[Tax Kuntz]

Thats why Opie says "Support your local markets".

Meaning listen on whatever you want, just choose the FM station if you get mailed the ratings booklet.

Ratings will go up this summer. O & A have big things planned.

[Mike]

7 Cent

I agree, I hope they do too. But if they fail on Free FM because of XM canabalizing the show ratrings, they will be looked like failures in the public eye.

You dont think Howard, Mancow, and other Media types wont point out every single time a syndication deal gets terminated?

[7cent]

7 Cent

I agree, I hope they do too. But if they fail on Free FM because of XM canabalizing the show ratrings, they will be looked like failures in the public eye.

You dont think Howard, Mancow, and other Media types wont point out every single time a syndication deal gets terminated?

I don't care how they are looked at, they can spin it the same way Howie spun it... Like I said, they would have to be comfortable with just XM, which I don't think they would be.. they want the success and fame too much..


sorry, I think I missed your point... I don't think XM could really canabilize the show that much.. It sounds like they have prob, 1 million XM listeners..for the fame they want they will need a lot more then that..Now, if the terrestrial listeners start flooding into XM, that will be trackable.. I read somewhere new XM subscribers attributed to OandA was only 3%.... If that start to spike then it may be in CBS interest to not have the show live on XM... but it's XM show that CBS is buying not the other way around..

[BravoSierra]

Unfortunately, if it were live on the west coast, it runs from 3 am until 6 am on free FM. Not exactly a time slot they're fighting for. So they run it on 106.9 at 10 am.

[NoSurviivors]

I would only want them on XM. screw FM. I see where your coming from, but I personally would hate it. O&A may want the fame, but I doubt they want to screw over thier most devoted fans...

The wigs at Free need to understand that they are going to deal with some turnover to satellite. Their best best is to deal advertisers to XM and up the fees to vendors perhaps.

[7cent]

Unfortunately, if it were live on the west coast, it runs from 3 am until 6 am on free FM. Not exactly a time slot they're fighting for. So they run it on 106.9 at 10 am.


look at us, the two O and A fans in Berkeley..

[pmoney316]

Even if they did take the FM show off of XM, you can listen online at 92.3's website.

[ChoppedLiver]

I have to think that while their XM contract is in effect, them's the rules. XM comes first.
IF and when XM contract renewal comes, there will be much more bargaining strength from CBS to get the Boys EXCLUSIVELY, but until then CBS really has to take what they get.

XM listener here.

[davidwar]

I know this is a little off of the main subject area, but does anybody think it's a little weird that that the boys have not directly addressed the subject of the low ratings in NYC?

[7cent]

I know this is a little off of the main subject area, but does anybody think it's a little weird that that the boys have not directly addressed the subject of the low ratings in NYC?


they are waiting for Jimmy to be back, so they can announce that all of the radio genious' on wackbag are right. Jimmy is the problem, and his negativity is leading to the low ratings..

[davidwar]

Didn't think of that, although I don't subscribe to that theory.

[7cent]

Didn't think of that, although I don't subscribe to that theory.


it's called sarcasm...

[7cent]

It will never happen. It is like asking your swinger wife if you can move in with that third chick.


great fuckin screen cap, in your sig...hilarious

[davidwar]

I knew you were being sarcastic, although there are a lot of people who really do think it's because of Jimmy. Again, I don't.

[BuffaloTom]

Yeah, let's all turn off our XM radios so our FM radios can transmit more ratings to Arbitron city.

[BeltOfScotch]

Considering XM's subscriber numbers went in the tank in 2006, I just can't imagine that the reason why ratings in NYC dropped is all of O&A's listeners running to buy XM radios, and then those same people getting Arbitron booklets and not saying they're listening on WFNY.

Plus, XM would never let it happen. Ever.

[boatail]

did anyone here that kid chris may be in trouble after a woman died after a contest on his show ? there is a mention on the NYRMB.

[ImAlrightSpider]

I find it hard to believe that XM significantly hurts the CBS ratings. How many XM listeners are there total? Less than there are in any one major radio market, right? When you consider the cumulative effect of XM, Sirius, iPod, etc., then you are starting to talk about real numbers.

We (the fans) should probably stop grasping at straws here, and accept that the ratings are down because people are listening to other things. However, O&A always win in the end and I expect that they have a plan to pull things together. I am not going to try to play radio professional. In O&A we trust (especially Anthony).

[Freese]

They need more guests...not everyday but every once and a while would be nice.

I'm sure if they invited Dice back into the studio there would be some radio gold.

[Hog's Big Ben]

did anyone here that kid chris may be in trouble after a woman died after a contest on his show ? there is a mention on the NYRMB.


Wasn't his show, reader.

[JAFO in Maine]

not to be an ass but there is a way to figure out how much of a signal is beign recieved on the fm end? the ratings always puzzled me how they figured it out. I do not think it is Lil Jimmy eather he does a lot on that 3rd mic.

[Hog's Big Ben]

I'm sure if they invited Dice back into the studio there would be some radio gold.

You got bail money for Opie?


the ratings always puzzled me how they figured it out.

There's this thing called a book. Arbitron mails them to certain people called listeners. They write down what they listened to and mail it back. See where this is going?

[tysonpunchinguterus]

No, that would suck for the quality of the show. There's too much censorship on FM, both from the FCC and the stations themselves. They've said before that they could never go back to only doing a show on FM, and that's esseintially what they'd be doing by not being live on XM.

Whatever their ratings might be in each market, there are certain cities where they'll still be #1 (excluding those pesky Spanish-language staions) n their time slot for the forseeable future (NY, Boston, Philly). Even a drop in the ratings is better than anything else those stations could get with another show in that spot.

I think they'd all still be very happy if the FM deals went away and they only had XM. I'm also pretty sure they wouldn't be anywhere near as happy if the XM deal went away and they only had FM syndication. There's so much more freedom on XM compared to FM--where some of the rules don't even make sense on even the smallest level (you can say "faggot," but not in reference to a gay guy?).

[aahpandasrun]

It goes against their contract, which allows the show to be simulcast on terrestrial radio stations. Unless they wanted to do a longer XM show, I doubt they could pull this off.

[jpc165]

Worst idea ever. What about the millions of people that cant listen to an FM station for what ever reason or are not in a O&A fm market? They just get fucked up the ass out of their dose of live O&A in the morning.

OK ISANEORIFFIC.

[ezstevey]

OnAnJ have said time and again how dead regular radio is, how shocking would it be if they became a casualty of how silly terrestrial has become

[UCFGavin]

sorry, but i want to see the boys succeed with XM, regardless of where FM fits into the picture.

XM's format and style fit O&A much more than FM does.

[Hydrosludge]

[radio edit]have sex with[/radio edit] free fm

[uNeedDiscipline]

This is the crossroads of contradicting technologies. Terrestrial, satellite, iPod, mp3, Listen Live, the whole mexican dinner menu dumped on American listening tradition. Many newer emerging technologies aimed at your ears. This sorting procedure will last a while. Arbitron radio numbers are now pie in the sky meaningless scribble. Probably most people anymore don't have any idea how to fill out the totally non scientific little miniature pencil and paper pad "journal." The rest don't speak English, and the others are high and just mark whatever shows sounds like their nickname or their energy drink. Arbitron pays people a buck to fill out the journals, which when everyone spoke English and there was just AM radio at home and in the car probably made their numbers data pretty reliable. At least Arbitron TV viewers sets are wired to a box that downloads all the families viewing data to the Arbitron database. IMO.

[Ovitz]

Nothing good has been, or ever will be, syndicated in Milwaukee. I do not support this plan as I would no longer hear the show.

[Audi Mike]

XM's format and style fit O&A much more than FM does.

i agree 100%


the boys free flowing non structured non scripted show is much more suited on xm

fm kills the flow of any great conversation with all the damn commercials

[Cup O Broth]

what o&a are doing is the hardest thing i have ever heard of in radio. they have spread themselves extremely thin across many platforms. radio is the kind of medium that it takes FOREVER to build an audience in. when you start by spreading yourself thin, its going to take even longer, but the payoff is MUCH bigger.

there are threads on Dr. Sniffen's board that are comparing o&a's #'s to DLR, saying that they aren't doing much better than DLR, and roth only got 2 months.

the reason people who say that are fucking retards that need to be fucked to death with the broken end of a board is that o&a have a proven upside. you know if you leave the opie and anthony show on for three years, the numbers will make the earth shake. dlr had proven no such thing, and the show gave you chills.

there is an undercurrent of worry here. there shouldnt be. they arent. there is going to be growing pains, thats just how radio works. everybody take a deep breath and have faith in the b-b-b-boys.

[patbattlefield]

On one hand I want them to be XM only because I find the freedom more entertaining. I like the fluidity of the show and the lack of restriction on content. I personally think they fit in better there.

On the other hand there are benefits to being on FM. The potential audience is much larger for one. Because of that it allows them to get better guests and better contests.

I would love to have them on XM only again.

[LiddyRules]

I love the show but I'm not going to get up early just to listen to it. If Arbitron knocked on my door I'd say I'd listen to FreeFM but I'm not going to change my life around just to be able to listen to three hours of radio a day. And, as much as we love the show, I doubt a lot of people will do that as well. It's not like people are going "Hey! Those guys broadcast on XM so fuck their FM show, I refuse to listen!" and I'm sure if you're a true fan of the show if you have an Arby book you will say that you listen on FreeFM but I doubt them going exclusively to FreeFM will make that much of a ratings difference.

[Audi Mike]

On one hand I want them to be XM only because I find the freedom more entertaining. I like the fluidity of the show and the lack of restriction on content. I personally think they fit in better there.

On the other hand there are benefits to being on FM. The potential audience is much larger for one. Because of that it allows them to get better guests and better contests.

I would love to have them on XM only again.

it may be selfish to want them only on xm but they are handsomely paid fancy men who could live comfortably just being on xm

plus if all else fails ant could be adrien brodys double in movies..

[7cent]

On the other hand there are benefits to being on FM. The potential audience is much larger for one. Because of that it allows them to get better guests and better contests.

.


we should make a list of how many things that used to be great, sucked after it got watered down for mass appeal...

[jimmy crap]

i dunno i like listening on my xm i hate the free fm and wouldnt listen at all if o and a or ron n fez werent on them

[Sack of Chisels]

It would benefit the fm shows ratings, but it won't happen because XM won't let it, and O&A wouldn't do it to the XM fans.

[LiddyRules]

Because of that it allows them to get better guests Like Frank Vincent again. (I'm not bashing him, I think he's surprisingly funny and works very well with the show, just that Roland seems to not be on the ball when it comes to guests lately.)

and better contests. Forever will I rue the day the words "FattyPigFatty" came out of Norton's mouth. "That girl at the end of the bar, she probably weighs over 550 pounds!" Does she Opie? Does she really?

It would benefit the fm shows ratings I really can't see how it will benefit the FM show's ratings in any significant way.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Commercial Radio fucked themselves when they first canceled the O&A pogram.

Let them reap what they sown.

[Audi Mike]

what i was praying for even though it wasnt very realistic when they first announced the free fm move and claimed it wouldnt kill the integrity of the show is do the regular xm show everyday in the morning and then free fm edit whatever they have to of the show and play it in the afternoons..

[patbattlefield]

we should make a list of how many things that used to be great, sucked after it got watered down for mass appeal...

let's not.

[BrianFromIowa]

Just my 2 cents-- I can't listen live and have no plans to ever call in to the show if I could listen live....therefore, I guess as long as I have a replay I will be ok.





what i was praying for even though it wasnt very realistic when they first announced the free fm move and claimed it wouldnt kill the integrity of the show is do the regular xm show everyday in the morning and then free fm edit whatever they have to of the show and play it in the afternoons..

Not that I am the grammar king of the midwest, but that's a fucked up sentence. (did I even spell 'grammar' correctly?)

[abudabit]

To the OP, good idea - screw the people who can only listen via XM. Screw the true fans, we need to get our ratings up. Think about it.

[DoucheMeister]

If that hapenned, I would never be able to hear them. No FreeFM up here.

[LiddyRules]

To the OP, good idea - screw the people who can only listen via XM. Screw the true fans, we need to get our ratings up. Think about it. Shhhhh, to Ope that is a good idea.

[7cent]

let's not.


why not? I'm not afraid to throw around the term sellout...

not ready to do it yet...but it seems like they are choosing popularity over artistic freedom..

[canadave]

what i was praying for even though it wasnt very realistic when they first announced the free fm move and claimed it wouldnt kill the integrity of the show is do the regular xm show everyday in the morning and then free fm edit whatever they have to of the show and play it in the afternoons..

It will never happen....but it is the answer. I look forward to 9am so the real show can start.

All this talk about guests......guests on FM usually suck. You get the standard stuff but guests on XM, they have more freedom. The whole guest thing is overrated anyways, the best shows are just them and maybe 1 extra mic (Louis CK or Vos etc).

[patbattlefield]

why not? I'm not afraid to throw around the term sellout...

ugh...

[7cent]

ugh...



how's the punch?

[Minister Moron]

The idea sounds great... if ratings were tracked by actually radios tuning into that particular station, however, radio ratings have nothing to do with tracking. They send out actual books at random and ask people to fill them out according to their radio listening habits. Any fan of O&A that receives one of these books, I would hope, would answer in a way that suggests they're listening to the show on FM and not on XM. Like ant said the whole system is very archaic and isn't very representative of actual listenership. Prime example, I live in Allentown, PA which clearly picks up the WYSP philly station which carries the show. I know a shitload of people that started listening to them on FM and love them, but even though they have a whole city of people listening to them here in Allentown (3rd largest city in PA), they'll never be questioned regarding the show because its outside of the philly market. Pure bullshit.

[zagman76]

Artistic freedom in front of nobody is for hippy faggots.
If I wanted true artistic freedom with no thought of the popularity end of it I would do a fucking podcast from my basment. (I just might...stay tuned!)
It's a little of both. We want as much artistic freedom as we can get with the ability to get as popular (the most listeners possible) as we can get.
That's nothing new my friend. That was plan "A" of the Opie and Anthony show since our first show. What you call selling out we call being as successfull as we can be in radio. DEAL.:action-sm

Dad from "SLC PUNK": I didn't sell out, Son, I bought in. Keep that in mind.

personally, I like the dichotomy of FM/XM shows (no matter where I listen) - the combo portion always makes me laugh - just because of the creative factor and call-backs that are made to get the "dirty" material out. The XM portion is more of the "ok - it's time for the adults to talk now" portion, and the two balance each other out nicely.

so, IMO; having both only makes the show better.

[dirty cheerio]

i think it would greatly slight those (like myself) who dont live in a free fm market. i have done some research to see if CBS had an affiliate in my city so i could get a petition started to get them on free here, but there are no CBS affiliates in my area. if they did go through with the idea (which i dont think will happen anyway) i would be very disappointed

[7cent]

Artistic freedom in front of nobody is for hippy faggots.
If I wanted true artistic freedom with no thought of the popularity end of it I would do a fucking podcast from my basment. (I just might...stay tuned!)
It's a little of both. We want as much artistic freedom as we can get with the ability to get as popular (the most listeners possible) as we can get.
That's nothing new my friend. That was plan "A" of the Opie and Anthony show since our first show. What you call selling out we call being as successfull as we can be in radio. DEAL.:action-sm

Dad from "SLC PUNK": I didn't sell out, Son, I bought in. Keep that in mind.

this rant sponsored by Bodog...:action-sm


And here comes the standard, I just got called out by anthony tagline:

love the show, but could care less about ratings..fuck em.. I don't listen to freeFM, I'm still brainwashed from when we were supposed to hate terrestrial, and XM was huge with a huge audience..

[jpc165]

It is just a big difference in what can be said on CBS now compared to what they used to be able to get away with.

These restrictions have gotten way out of hand. Something really needs to change one way or the other. Either the rules need to change or these pussy radio companies need to stand up against this shit.

[LiddyRules]

By the way, the guest thing? WE cut back on the guests. It can't be said enough. We love you Anthony.

[UCFGavin]

Artistic freedom in front of nobody is for hippy faggots.

well unless E-Lo was lying to us, he said there were more than 4 million people tuning in weekly to the show. that doesn't seem like nobody

[PILOTMAN]

Commercial Radio fucked themselves when they first canceled the O&A pogram.

Let them reap what they sown.


Exactly:clap: :clap: :clap:

[jpc165]

Well, maybe a few we thought were plain dog shit.

I'll assume you're referring to the idea contained in the title of this thread.

[JAFO in Maine]

If that hapenned, I would never be able to hear them. No FreeFM up here.


you can hear free fm anyhere if ya have the net the live stream it online. If it counts to ratings I do not know. http://www.923freefm.com

[UCFGavin]

By the way, the guest thing? WE cut back on the guests. Roland does a great job getting potential guests for the show and at first we were taking just about all of them just because they were there. We finally saw that just having guests on for the sake of having a guest on was bullshit. I'd rather just talk about shit then listen to some b actor plug a b movie.
We know what needs work and what works with the show. The transition to broadcast radio is not an easy one. A lot of shit has changed since we were last on broadcast radio and we have to really fight to get to do some of the shit we want to do.
We are working very hard to make this work. Some of the other markets are working out very well. Believe me though, there is not one thing that has been posted here that we haven't thought of or talked about. Well, maybe a few we thought were plain dog shit.

i actually like the way it is without the big guests. of course you have guests like frank vincent and kevin smith which are great, but not because they are celebrities but because they are just chill guys that like to hang out.

i'm not sure if you'll actually respond or even be able to reveal what goes on behind the scenes, but i was curious what made you guys decide to cut back and how you select who is allowed on the show? was it one specific guest that left and then you guys sat around and said "fuck, we gotta cut back on the guests, this guy killed us"?

[LiddyRules]

but i was curious what made you guys decide to cut back and how you select who is allowed on the show? was it one specific guest that left and then you guys sat around and said "fuck, we gotta cut back on the guests, this guy killed us"? They do say that they listen to the replays. (Note: I don't blame O+A for the interviews, it's just that interviews by nature are generally lame.)

[jpc165]

you can hear free fm anyhere if ya have the net the live stream it online. If it counts to ratings I do not know. http://www.923freefm.com

How does that help you on your drive to work? when most people listen to the show..

[7cent]

Ok, fine! XM is huge for us! Never said it wasn't. As a matter of fact being on FM has made us BIGGER on XM. Hate terrestrial? Fine! you don't listen to FreeFm in NYC. Could care less about ratings? Fine. You have nothing to do with our ratings so you shouldn't care about them.

come on, you know if I got one of those books for FreeFm in SF, you guys would get my vote...just finding it hilarious that there is a 100 page thread about low NY ratings, and now this idea to not have the show live on XM...I decided to be the catalyst..

[UCFGavin]

They do say that they listen to the replays.

yeah, i knew that. i just wasn't sure if maybe it was just a series of guests that made them come to the conclusion, or maybe it was suggested by steve or someone else that works on the show. hell, maybe it was jack black and they thought he came off like a total douche so they decided against having more guests like that for a while :icon_lol:

[UCFGavin]

I wasn't saying we weren't doing great at XM. I was saying that people who do thing only for artistic freedom are rarely successfull. Find me one artist that hasn't had to compromise at some point. You have to balance things out and I think we do with broadcast radio and satellite radio.

oh no doubt you gotta balance things out. I can't think of many people that get into any kind of public profession that don't want to be exposed to as many people as possible. I just think sometimes people are too hard on themselves and they tend to overlook the accomplishments they've achieved.

[Bunny™]

So am I to believe that Dakota Fanning will do the Free FM show, but will not participate in the Walkover or XM portions of the show?
That little whore is the second coming of Sally Kirkland.

[LiddyRules]

Simple, we were going through a list every day that was getting longer and longer and we finally looked at each other and said "what the fuck are these people really bringing to the show?" After that we decided to only book guests that will be a part of our show instead of us having to change what we're doing so they can get a plug in. Again, many of us are forever grateful for that decision.

[jpc165]

will you ever be able to say n-gger on free fm again?

[LiddyRules]

will you ever be able to say n-gger on free fm again? what does Anthony have? a fucking crystal ball?

[supertool]

Hey Ant, could you guys bring back Cindy Williams. I thought she was the perfect fit for the "hang".

[7cent]

what does Anthony have? a fucking crystal ball?

we should really stop frustrating him...tomorrow's a big day, lil Jimmy's back...

[UCFGavin]

Simple, we were going through a list every day that was getting longer and longer and we finally looked at each other and said "what the fuck are these people really bringing to the show?" After that we decided to only book guests that will be a part of our show instead of us having to change what we're doing so they can get a plug in.

sounds good. all i know is that since coming back from christmas break, i've heard some of the best shows since the move to simulcast.

there have to be a few in betweeners though that you guys are kind of on the fence about. guests like john cena who (in my opinion) did pretty good on the show and seemed to enjoy himself, but at the same wanting to get their plugs in.

[Suicidebree]

Did arbitron start taking out people who listen on xm after nine assuming they werent listening on freefm before nine? Wasnt that a plan of theirs to determine how to judge O&A's real numbers?

I find the Freefm version of the show unlistenable. The amount of dumps really gets distracting and you miss great stuff, not to mention get lost in whats happening sometimes. ANy real fan will listen how they need to and fill out the books in the way that does right for the show. I dont think most people get how to do that and I think illegal to say it on air.

I know its sacriligious to say but the show has changed from a "hang" to a bash everyone type show. denying it is just a lie. I love the show now but alot of old listeners, my friends included, wont listen now. I love Norton but any bit that includes him goes to movie quotes, anger, aids, ****, or disease. The show has taken on that tone. For example the other day with Patrice they actually talked about dinosaurs in africa playing cards and then into smaching the way africans dress. If norton was in it would have surely gone to murder or aids and ended witht he word stupid africans. I saw again I love norton but its not for everyone and shitting all over every caller that you dont need them and in reality obviously u do.

[stinkindutchman]

Simple, we were going through a list every day that was getting longer and longer and we finally looked at each other and said "what the fuck are these people really bringing to the show?" After that we decided to only book guests that will be a part of our show instead of us having to change what we're doing so they can get a plug in.

You have to do your show the way that you are comfortable with, that is why your successful, why we listen. Obviously you guys know this.

[Kitchen Monkey]

Artistic freedom in front of nobody is for hippy faggots.
If I wanted true artistic freedom with no thought of the popularity end of it I would do a fucking podcast from my basment. (I just might...stay tuned!)
It's a little of both. We want as much artistic freedom as we can get with the ability to get as popular (the most listeners possible) as we can get.
That's nothing new my friend. That was plan "A" of the Opie and Anthony show since our first show. What you call selling out we call being as successfull as we can be in radio. DEAL.:action-sm

Dad from "SLC PUNK": I didn't sell out, Son, I bought in. Keep that in mind.

You can keep telling yourself and us this over and over again, but it doesn't change the fact that you and Opie are absolute sell-outs and hypocrites of the highest order.

How do you not understand that nothing that you ever do on Free FM will or can ever be as good as if you were to do it on XM? How do you not understand that you can't have artistic freedom on Free FM?

It's as if all the trashing of Free FM you did before the deal was made never happened. :icon_roll

You guys sacrificed artistic freedom for potential listeners. There is no way around this. You cannot argue against this.

[Suicidebree]

Might sound like a silly question but this is one of the battles we're having right now.
Thats why I love the show, they're a actually fighting to say ******. I swear undying loyalty to that.

[7cent]

since everyone else has an opinion, here's mine....

fuuuuck the ratings...the boys shouldn't think twice about trying to change their show to get ratings.. keep doing what makes the guys in the studio laugh, that's what I like... the ratings will come, if not, oh well...a lot of things suck once they get mass appeal..

and I can't believe the Jimmy bashing..I couldn't imagine the show without him, or if he had to hold back because some douche's think less Jimmy = > ratings... if you don't want jimmy, stop listening, enjoy OAVIRUS..

ohhh, I see this thread is getting ugly..here is my quote from the other ratings thread, and I stand by it...

[supertool]

You can keep telling yourself and us this over and over again, but it doesn't change the fact that you and Opie are absolute sell-outs and hypocrites of the highest order.

How do you not understand that nothing that you ever do on Free FM will or can ever be as good as if you were to do it on XM? How do you not understand that you can't have artistic freedom on Free FM?

It's as if all the trashing of Free FM you did before the deal was made never happened. :icon_roll

You guys sacrificed artistic freedom for potential listeners. There is no way around this. You cannot argue against this.

Jesus, you get a chance to talk to Willie Mays and all you wan't to do complain about the price of the peanuts in the park.

[7cent]

Jesus, you get a chance to talk to Willie Mays and all you wan't to do complain about the price of the peanuts in the park.
:clap: :clap: I lol'd

[UCFGavin]

You can keep telling yourself and us this over and over again, but it doesn't change the fact that you and Opie are absolute sell-outs and hypocrites of the highest order.

How do you not understand that nothing that you ever do on Free FM will or can ever be as good as if you were to do it on XM? How do you not understand that you can't have artistic freedom on Free FM?

It's as if all the trashing of Free FM you did before the deal was made never happened. :icon_roll

You guys sacrificed artistic freedom for potential listeners. There is no way around this. You cannot argue against this.

sorry to tell you buddy, but you can always argue with an opinion. because thats what you just stated, an opinion.

[Aizazzle]

Might sound like a silly question but this is one of the battles we're having right now. We've always had to fight with management to do what we wanted to do. Even back in those "We never sucked once, everyday ruled...ahhhh, those were the days!" WNEW days.

You should be allowed to say ni**er tomorrow to honor MLK day :icon_mrgr

In my perfect world everyone on FreeFM bought an XM and listened to the show on XM so they finally have a large enough audience that they don't need FreeM anymore to do things like the Traveling Virus...

I never liked the FreeFM move the only reason that it's good is that the show gets bigger which lets me have a small consolation prize as I see more and more WOW stickers everyday..

[GLENN_THE_TOOL]

Anthony,

GO TO BED!

:action-sm

[canadave]

Simple, we were going through a list every day that was getting longer and longer and we finally looked at each other and said "what the fuck are these people really bringing to the show?" After that we decided to only book guests that will be a part of our show instead of us having to change what we're doing so they can get a plug in.

Amen....:clap:

[Aizazzle]

I refuse to waste my time.:action-sm

Isn't that what you are doing right now more hypocricy from you :icon_wink :icon_mrgr

[supertool]

Wow, it's "didn't read all of them or understand my posts" guy.
You seem like someone I really shouldn't even try to have a sensible discussion with. No, not because of what you were saying. You just have your mind made up and I refuse to waste my time.:action-sm

Hey Ant, forget this nonsense, let's talk serious. I wan't to know- Cindy williams- will she be back? You guy's had great chemistry with her.

[Aizazzle]

Yeah, I think you're right. I gotta go to sleep.
nighty night.

Bye Sweety :icon_mrgr
No Homo

[lil'beaver]

is there going to be a show tommorow? Ant being up at midnight kinda worries me.

[LilChester]

will you ever be able to say n-gger on free fm again?

There is no 'i' in n-gger :action-sm

[Bunny™]

There is no 'i' in n-gger :action-sm
there was, but it got stolen.

[JAFO in Maine]

Yeah, I think you're right. I gotta go to sleep.
nighty night.

:action-sm nighty night

[7cent]

is there going to be a show tommorow? Ant being up at midnight kinda worries me.


he's going to be tired... I feel bad, I was just fucking around and it turned into a big thing...oh well..

[patbattlefield]

how's the punch?

I don't drink punch, but the wine is fantastic.

[LilChester]

there was, but it got stolen.
hehehe :icon_mrgr

[Larz]

It's as if all the trashing of Free FM you did before the deal was made never happened. :icon_roll



Look at the bright side... on Earth 2 the Holocaust never happened either.

Of course the downside is that on Earth 2 your Inno gets transformed into a paperweight.

[Hoagie]

This concludes the question and answer part of our show.



In summary:

Too many guests sucked so now they only take them when they feel it will help the show.

They are still fighting with management to get the freedoms they desire and will continue to do so.

Yes they have to compromise their artistic freedoms to be on FreeFM but it's a necessary compromise to achieve the level of success they desire. The bottom line is that, while things have been going very well on XM and XM provides them with a great deal of freedom, XM simply cannot provide the exposure that broadcast radio can. And the only way to continue to build is to compromise their freedoms with their exposure.



I'd like to thank all of you for coming tonight and I'd like to remind you that hoodies are available for purchase on your way out....oh wait...:icon_conf

[kid afrika]

This concludes the question and answer part of our show.



In summary:

Too many guests sucked so now they only take them when they feel it will help the show.

They are still fighting with management to get the freedoms they desire and will continue to do so.

Yes they have to compromise their artistic freedoms to be on FreeFM but it's a necessary compromise to achieve the level of success they desire. The bottom line is that, while things have been going very well on XM and XM provides them with a great deal of freedom, XM simply cannot provide the exposure that broadcast radio can. And the only way to continue to build is to compromise their freedoms with their exposure.



I'd like to thank all of you for coming tonight and I'd like to remind you that hoodies are available for purchase on your way out....oh wait...:icon_conf

Thanks for wrapping it all up in a tidy li'l box for us. However, I don't think it's that simple.

From a fan's point of view:

XM Only show = Awesome
FM Only show = Pretty Good Radio
XM + FM = Better than anything else out there, but that don't make it perfect.

The ideal situation would be that the show is MADE for XM, but censored and played on FM. I know this was considered and that they arrived at a solution that was best/acceptable for all involved parties. It's quite a miracle that they were able to pull off this deal. But, they must realize that it has had an effect on the fans of the show.

It may draw in more listeners, but at the same time it does alienate the fans.

I'm not sure which is more desirable for O&A...

People that listen for 15 minutes on any given day

or

People that listen for 5 hours or more everyday

I guess that having 5 million people that listen for 15 minutes on any given day would be better (career-wise) than 1 million people that listen for 5 hours.

Still sucks for the fans that we have our opinions cast aside in the interest of "popularity". But such is the way of the walk.

I will give O&A credit for getting themselves in the position they are in. Nobody has done this before and they are doing their best with it.

They've also not completely forgotten about their fan base. They just have a different end goal than we do.

[PuddingChest]

I recently cancelled my 3 subs for XM. I just haven't been listening that much since they made the move to Free FM. They offered me 3 free months but I declined. I guess i will start with the walkover really needs to go. Maybe they should work on doing the whole show from the XM studio so they can just go right in to the uncensored show at 900 am without the time killing walkover. I also think that less guests is a step in the right direction. Guests that are there to hang is one thing, but guests that are just there for the plug are not needed. I have been very critical of O&A since they made the move to Free FM. I wanted nothing more than O&A to succeed but this move was a tough pill to swallow after all the Free FM bashing they used to do on XM. After the walkover and commercials on XM and the breakfast orders, your really not getting that much uncensored content. I hope O&A get huge. I look forward to the day when they can leave Free FM behind and get a huge contract from XM to do 4 hours of uncensored radio a day. As I have said before, THE FIRST YEAR ON XM WAS THE BEST RADIO I HAVE EVER HEARD. I think they toned it down a bit as they got closer to the Free FM deal. Until that day comes I will not be renewing my XM subscription. I can't sit through the self censored with long commercial break Free FM show. Good luck Bros.
On a different note, does it seem that Opie embellishes or exaggerates his stories just to make good radio. I have thought it before but it really came to mind when he was talking about his airplane story. It just sounded fake to me. Anybody with me?

[patbattlefield]

On a different note, does it seem that Opie embellishes or exaggerates his stories just to make good radio. I have thought it before but it really came to mind when he was talking about his airplane story. It just sounded fake to me. Anybody with me?

Got any proof to back that up or are you just talking out your ass?:icon_roll

[PuddingChest]

No proof. It's not a matter of talking out of my ass. Just an opinion. His stories just sound fake or exaggerated to me. I could be wrong but if anybody thinks the same I wouldl like to hear it!

[Larz]

.

The ideal situation would be that the show is MADE for XM, but censored and played on FM.



This is the ideal Solution.

Full uncensored show on XM? - Check
Simulcast on FM to reach the largest audience? -Check
No fans excluded regardless of platform? - Check
Drive Subs to XM? - Check
Artistic integrity intact? - Check
Money? - Check

So whats the goddamn fucking problem with doing the show uncensored for the XM people and letting Free radio handle the edits?? Both the bbboys and CBS got to shit in hoohoo's mouth for a year by doing the show from his studio. Great, fantastic, phenomenal... Now go back to broadcasting without limits and give the fans what they want.

[PuddingChest]

because they will be self censoring so nothing gets dumped out on.

[Hog's Big Ben]

The ideal situation would be that the show is MADE for XM, but censored and played on FM.

This is the ideal Solution.

Full uncensored show on XM? - Check
Simulcast on FM to reach the largest audience? -Check
No fans excluded regardless of platform? - Check
Drive Subs to XM? - Check
Artistic integrity intact? - Check
Money? - Check

So whats the goddamn fucking problem with doing the show uncensored for the XM people and letting Free radio handle the edits?? Both the bbboys and CBS got to shit in hoohoo's mouth for a year by doing the show from his studio. Great, fantastic, phenomenal... Now go back to broadcasting without limits and give the fans what they want.


Exactly how in the cunt do they "simulcast" something like the box of cocks bit on FM? They can't. The whole bit would get dumped and Van Halen music would play.

kid afrika's idea seems like what they did with Citadel in Dec '04. Do the XM show, and let FM edit it and play it later. That roons the 16 markets that they air live in on FM by making everything significantly delayed. Nothing but XM callers again. Not gonna fly.

You guys think they didn't run through every option a zillion times when they were making this deal? They want XM and FM, and the way they do it now is the best mix. The most people get the chance to hear the show live, and the most people get the opportunity to hear the show unedited.

That being said, there's still room for improvement on the XM side during commercial breaks. Nothing about the show itself - maybe just something different for XM'ers to listen to, like Paltalk break audio from the day before or something deeper from the 'NEW vault.

[Xyn]

How about this? They prefer a longer comercial break, so they don't have to piss so fast, but they really don't need two of those breaks an hour.

Take the first break, go to comercials, then continue on XM, uncensored, bullshiting about whatever for ten minutes. Take us inside the show, don't worry about it being brilliant radio.

You KNOW the people listening on XM love to go inside the show. Just say fuck a few times (hahaha, he said the dirty word, el oh el), laugh at how shitty FM radio is, bitch about something that AAAAAAL just dumped out on.

I swear it will be better than what's going on now.

Then, the next break, go to comercials on both FM and XM. Please, for the love of god, come up with some kind of original content to play on XM (replays are fantastic, but we get enough of those on vacations and the like). But by all means, take the break,

One ten minute break every hour I could handle, better than the current two they have to take.

Don't worry about it messing up the flow of the show either. The shows flow already gets fucked up by going to break. This will keep the show nearly the same, while tossing a bone to the loyal XMers.

Also, about the walkover.

Please try to work it so you do the show from only one studio.

Mind you, I LOVE some of the shit that (sometimes) happens on the walkover. What I love even more are bits like sidewalk fishing and box O cox (even if the lawyers don't).

The solution is, broadcast the show from one studio (if possible). Then, continue to revolutionize radio by taking the show on the street now and then (especially in the summer, when the weather is warm and the skirts are short).

Daily, he walkover sucks ass. Doing a show in motion now and then, especially with planned shit like Vos doing starbucks, makes for brilliant radio.

Hell, work on the technology side as well. Get a powerful broadcasting van so you can take the show live, wirelessly, anywher in the city.

Go to a mall, live, just to go fuck with people.

Anything but the daily walkover.

Meh, just a bunch of suggestions from a stupid fan

Edit: Hell, you guys are revolutionising radio with paltalk as well. Go broadcast wirelessly across the city, but bring a paltalk cam to take it up several more notches. I'm not on Paltalk myself, but that would kick ass if you could get a live cam fallowing you guys as you broadcast live across he city.

[patbattlefield]

No proof. It's not a matter of talking out of my ass. Just an opinion. His stories just sound fake or exaggerated to me. I could be wrong but if anybody thinks the same I wouldl like to hear it!

why even bring it up? you are accusing the host of a radio show on a fan board of being a fake without any proof; just your "intuition". It's morons like you that cause the show to bash wackbag. go crawl back under your rock. or better yet visit the "hoodie site".

[Larz]

[QUOTE=Hog's Big Ben]Exactly how in the cunt do they "simulcast" something like the box of cocks bit on FM? They can't. The whole bit would get dumped and Van Halen music would play.
QUOTE]

Then save the bit for the 9-10 hour, as far as dumps during the FM broadcast so what? The continuity of the show has already been affected by the commercial breaks and Al's trigger finger, how much worse could things get ratings wise if there were 10-15 more dumps an hour?

The suits don't care about what the show sounds like so long as they get the ratings and it conforms to FCC regulations. Who's to say that ratings wouldn't go up if O&A did their show uncensored and left the decision making about content to CBS? A&E is airing The Sopranos, edited R rated movies are on regular TV all the time... its not an entirely new concept except that the editing would be done on the fly.

Xyn is also right about broadcasting the show from 1 Studio. It gives them time to take a couple minutes for breakfast at 9 instead of doing the death march then eating on air.

[AnalLeakage]

The boys wouldn't do it? We / they said the show had advanced beyond FM trashing corporate safe radio the whole time just a little over a year ago. Yet here we are talking about ratings, Tom Chiusano, the FCC, Les Moonves and the dump button. Seems like I'm listening to a 2005 Stern show sadly.

XM wouldn't allow it? Not only has XM let exclusive content such as O & A go, now they have let Ron and Fez do a FM show as well. Not complaining, but why pay for the cow... that old gag. As far as them going on FM to 10 or 10:30 and being simulcast on XM it seems inevetable since they signed the deal. They did a few 9:30 shows early on so it has precidence. Most morning shows go to 10 and the boys only going to 9 cuts 1/4 of the money the stations could charge on their highest ad rate time of the day off at the top. Add that to the stations not getting a highly rated show (for whatever reason) and this experiment might be in trouble.

[Kitchen Monkey]

I read every post in the topic before I made my post, FYI. Just because it was the first post, doesn't mean that it should just be let alone. Sacrificing artistic freedom for potential listeners isn't exactly an opinion, considering that is exactly what they did. How could you possibly flip it around in a positive way without sounding like our buddy Howard Stern.

Also, I don't care who you are. We're all just losers posting on the world wide web about a dopey radio show.

[ruckstande]

I just don't see a reason for supporting Free FM. If you support and you are an XM listener then you are just helping them do less XM. XM listeners didn't benefit one bit from them going to Free FM. We get more commercials, less XM content, and they joke about it themselves that they don't do much of anything from the walkover(till maybe a half hour after they arrive). They rarely go to 12 like they said they might do which sucks. So what good is Free FM to me? Them being #1 has nothing to do with me, its not my paycheck and it is still just a radio show. I wish anyone success but why do I have to compromise what I bought into. It would be like buying an mp3 player with 40gbs of song space and then having them take 30gbs out so they can make space for an FM radio. "Hey at least you don't have to pay for new music now because its free right?"

[Biff Hardslab]

I don't like the idea. I don't even like Eric Logan selling the best shows to FM.

[Mike]

When the fuck did being a radio Jock become being an Artist?

LOL

[SonnyForelli]

OK. I guess now that this subject has cooled off a bit I can share my thoughts and opinions, not that I am anyone important.

As a lot of people here know, I am an Advocate of the Boys being on FM and at times it almost seems like I have my nose so brown it really stinks like shit.

As a service man that deals with the public on a daily basis I am constantly spreading the Virus and pushing the Boys on almost everyone I meet. Its safe to say that I speak about O&A to 2 new people a day so what I have got to say here is based on actual thoughts of what people have said to me.

Here in Boston the ratings are continuously creeping up which is good. When I do talk to a casual listener that likes the show, most of the time I get a "but" during the conversation. Its not like there not funny on the regular radio, its just I really don't have the time to listen to them like I used too. As I keep talking to them they tell me stuff like, Howard Stern was easier to listen to in the morning. That they could actually have him on the radio in public places and it was acceptable in the work place. When O&A were on in the afternoon I could here them for a lot more time. They would also say, there would be times when they got home from work and I would just sit in the drive way and listen to the end of the show. I would say to them at that point, if they like O&A that much why don't you just get XM? There replies would vary depending on the people ie, cant see in spending money for radio to I just haven't gotten around to it yet. That's when I give them a free XM Radio.

So now, here's my opinion: As an Uberfan that will listen to the show no matter what, The Morning time slot for O&A is a challenge on commercial radio because of the time constraint that people have in the mornings for the kind of radio that they do, ie a Real Mans show with out a hole to soften it up.

So, As far as the people that I have talked to, O&A would pull a lot more ratings if there show were in the Afternoon drive time slot.

Lets face it, even some of us Uberfans cant even wake up till 10 o'clock anyways and there still comatose until they have had a few beers in them.

Personally, I don't care what time there on as I will listen at any time but if they want more casual listeners from the commercial market It looks like the Afternoons is the answer

[patbattlefield]

OK. I guess now that this subject has cooled off a bit I can share my thoughts and opinions, not that I am anyone important.

As a lot of people here know, I am an Advocate of the Boys being on FM and at times it almost seems like I have my nose so brown it really stinks like shit.

As a service man that deals with the public on a daily basis I am constantly spreading the Virus and pushing the Boys on almost everyone I meet. Its safe to say that I speak about O&A to 2 new people a day so what I have got to say here is based on actual thoughts of what people have said to me.

Here in Boston the ratings are continuously creeping up which is good. When I do talk to a casual listener that likes the show, most of the time I get a "but" during the conversation. Its not like there not funny on the regular radio, its just I really don't have the time to listen to them like I used too. As I keep talking to them they tell me stuff like, Howard Stern was easier to listen to in the morning. That they could actually have him on the radio in public places and it was acceptable in the work place. When O&A were on in the afternoon I could here them for a lot more time. They would also say, there would be times when they got home from work and I would just sit in the drive way and listen to the end of the show. I would say to them at that point, if they like O&A that much why don't you just get XM? There replies would vary depending on the people ie, cant see in spending money for radio to I just haven't gotten around to it yet. That's when I give them a free XM Radio.

So now, here's my opinion: As an Uberfan that will listen to the show no matter what, The Morning time slot for O&A is a challenge on commercial radio because of the time constraint that people have in the mornings for the kind of radio that they do, ie a Real Mans show with out a hole to soften it up.

So, As far as the people that I have talked to, O&A would pull a lot more ratings if there show were in the Afternoon drive time slot.

Lets face it, even some of us Uberfans cant even wake up till 10 o'clock anyways and there still comatose until they have had a few beers in them.

Personally, I don't care what time there on as I will listen at any time but if they want more casual listeners from the commercial market It looks like the Afternoons is the answer

good words, sonny. as a listener that lives outside of a large market it is tough to empathize with you city folk and the FM stations. Out here I wouldn't get FM anyway so my selfish side just wants XM. I really don't care about the contests and guests. I understand what you are saying and i think you have good points. If i lived in a city where the boys broadcast I would like to be able to have an FM station that I could tell buddies to listen to. It helps get people who wouldn't try satellite hooked on the show. I still miss the XM only days...nothing will change that. Just preference. I still love the show and it is still the best thing out there on any listening medium.

I <3 XM.

[kloraferm]

Again, many of us are forever grateful for that decision.
Amen! I fucking can't stand when guests are there just because they're making their rounds to plug some shit. I realize the guys from Clerks 2 were obviously promoting the movie, and I think John Mayer had a new cd around the time he came in, but those were examples of celebrity guests that were actually good on the show and fit in with the show's flow.

[OVERMAN]

My idea for successfully tweaking the current line-up;

6-7 AM: O and A variety hour/WBENEW, whatever you want to call it, something like that, not just a worst of hour. Something to set up the vibe of the show. Little things like that, I believe, could really help.

7-10 Live show on Xm and terrestrial.

10 - 12/1 = Xm exclusive. Live west coast morning drive.

1 - 2 = Worst of

2 - 4 = Ron and Fez XM exclusive

3- 4 = Free fm Ron and Fez variety hour

4- 7 = Reverse Ron and Fez walk over, live on free and XM. ( On a channel other than 202, so as not to fuck w/ the replays of O and A )

[Bunny™]

OK. I guess now that this subject has cooled off a bit I can share my thoughts and opinions, not that I am anyone important.

As a lot of people here know, I am an Advocate of the Boys being on FM and at times it almost seems like I have my nose so brown it really stinks like shit.

As a service man that deals with the public on a daily basis I am constantly spreading the Virus and pushing the Boys on almost everyone I meet. Its safe to say that I speak about O&A to 2 new people a day so what I have got to say here is based on actual thoughts of what people have said to me.

Here in Boston the ratings are continuously creeping up which is good. When I do talk to a casual listener that likes the show, most of the time I get a "but" during the conversation. Its not like there not funny on the regular radio, its just I really don't have the time to listen to them like I used too. As I keep talking to them they tell me stuff like, Howard Stern was easier to listen to in the morning. That they could actually have him on the radio in public places and it was acceptable in the work place. When O&A were on in the afternoon I could here them for a lot more time. They would also say, there would be times when they got home from work and I would just sit in the drive way and listen to the end of the show. I would say to them at that point, if they like O&A that much why don't you just get XM? There replies would vary depending on the people ie, cant see in spending money for radio to I just haven't gotten around to it yet. That's when I give them a free XM Radio.

So now, here's my opinion: As an Uberfan that will listen to the show no matter what, The Morning time slot for O&A is a challenge on commercial radio because of the time constraint that people have in the mornings for the kind of radio that they do, ie a Real Mans show with out a hole to soften it up.

So, As far as the people that I have talked to, O&A would pull a lot more ratings if there show were in the Afternoon drive time slot.

Lets face it, even some of us Uberfans cant even wake up till 10 o'clock anyways and there still comatose until they have had a few beers in them.

Personally, I don't care what time there on as I will listen at any time but if they want more casual listeners from the commercial market It looks like the Afternoons is the answer
Great post....
I'd like to know who the fuck wrote it, because it sure as hell wasn't Sonny Forelli.
Not one "Fuck" in there at all.
:clap:

[topher520]

Free Fm helps the Boys no matter what time they are on. More people will listen too the free FM show and not want to stop listening once 9 oclock rolls around. The when buying a new car years from now or going out and getting a Satelitte system...they will choose XM over "Hoo Hoos" Sirius.... Because they are use to it and enjoy the show. I'm not going to play producer and tell them what they should/should"not" do because I'm not as talented as them, or I would have my own show staring Colin Quin and my third mic would be Robert kelly............... OP, Ant, Jimmy, and the rest Know what they are doing to make great radio, so we all shouldnt worry so much and bitch about ratings that we have nothing to do with...we listen...whens the last time you got a ratings book? Never I bet, so why does it matter? Remember what Opie always says.....O & A ALWAYS wins in the end....Hoo Hoo

[SonnyForelli]

good words, sonny. as a listener that lives outside of a large market it is tough to empathize with you city folk and the FM stations. Out here I wouldn't get FM anyway so my selfish side just wants XM. I really don't care about the contests and guests. I understand what you are saying and i think you have good points. If i lived in a city where the boys broadcast I would like to be able to have an FM station that I could tell buddies to listen to. It helps get people who wouldn't try satellite hooked on the show. I still miss the XM only days...nothing will change that. Just preference. I still love the show and it is still the best thing out there on any listening medium.

I <3 XM.

I am not saying to drop the XM show, Just do it in different time slots. Plus with XM you have the rebroadcast anyways. Alot of what the boys are doing now on Free FM is an Afternoon show without the booze and there trying to make it work in the morning with all the high energy and quick wits. I know myself that I dont start laughing till I had at least my second cup of coffee.


Great post....
I'd like to know who the fuck wrote it, because it sure as hell wasn't Sonny Forelli.
Not one "Fuck" in there at all.
:clap:

Ya it was Fucking me. I was in Fucking Professional Fancy guy mode when I wrote the fuckin thing

[Shipwreck]

o&a have a proven upside. you know if you leave the opie and anthony show on for three years, the numbers will make the earth shake. dlr had proven no such thing, and the show gave you chills.

there is an undercurrent of worry here. there shouldnt be. they arent. there is going to be growing pains, thats just how radio works. everybody take a deep breath and have faith in the b-b-b-boys.

Well said and should have been the thread killer. Give it some time y'all. I realize alot of youse guys are newer listeners and have not been through this before.

Patience grasshoppers. Just sit back, relax and enjoy the ride.

[Goblin]

I know I am going to get flamed for this, but I am going to throw it out there and see if we can get a normal discussion.

While I know it takes time, ratings have been pretty low for the O&A show over most of the country. Like many people have pointed out, most real fans are probabbly listening on XM.

While thats great for the show, it's bad for the syndicated radio stations who need to sell ad space based on listners. Not a lot of listeners = Not a lot of money = getting kicked off Free FM stations.

It would seem to me that it would be in O&A's best interests to not air the FREE FM show live on XM in the morning, forcing everyone to listen to Free FM. Then re-air the show later on XM.

I understand that XM probabbly would never alow this, but they are jepordizing syndication under the current system.

There has never been a system like this, and I'm not sure the "code" to making it work for everyone has been figured out...But as it stands now, their ratings on Free FM will always be lower as fans buy XM and start listening on there instead.

Thoughts?


Very bad move I think. I know I'd drop my subscription.

[BigBuffaloFan]

Amen! I fucking can't stand when guests are there just because they're making their rounds to plug some shit. I realize the guys from Clerks 2 were obviously promoting the movie, and I think John Mayer had a new cd around the time he came in, but those were examples of celebrity guests that were actually good on the show and fit in with the show's flow.

I agree 100%. Also they do not do the kinge interviews on FM they do them all on XM. That is what makes them different. I don't want to hear from some celeb doing there rounds to promote their latest project. That is one of the reasons I stopped listing to Stern.

I Don't Care about Celebs!!!!!!!!!!!!11

[NorfCal]

My idea for successfully tweaking the current line-up;

6-7 AM: O and A variety hour/WBENEW, whatever you want to call it, something like that, not just a worst of hour. Something to set up the vibe of the show. Little things like that, I believe, could really help.

7-10 Live show on Xm and terrestrial.

10 - 12/1 = Xm exclusive. Live west coast morning drive.

1 - 2 = Worst of

2 - 4 = Ron and Fez XM exclusive

3- 4 = Free fm Ron and Fez variety hour

4- 7 = Reverse Ron and Fez walk over, live on free and XM. ( On a channel other than 202, so as not to fuck w/ the replays of O and A )

That ain't gonna happen, but heya buddy!

[Deebomber]

I said it once and I'll say it again. O&A had CBS by the balls when they tucked tail and came calling the boys after Roth tanked big time. CBS radio division was dying a slow death and they were desperate. O&A could have and should have asked for all the artistic freedom they wanted from CBS and they would have had no choice but to let O&A have it. I mean what choice did CBS have? Stern leaving caught them unprepaired. The guy who thought that Roth was the answer should not be working there anymore. How do you throw the most important time slot in radio and in New York to boot to some over the hill rocker? Probably the biggest blunder in the history of New York radio. So they call on O&A. But instead of demanding that they will do the show as there were doing it at the time on XM and from XM they as Ant called it "compromised". WHY? SInce O&A got on XM all they did was bash radio about all the rules and the stupid commercials. But now we are all suppose to believe that the plan all along was to go back to FM? O&A said the future was satellite and XM radio. THey should have demanded that CBS take a delay of their show and edit it as they please. THey should have asked for the moon and CBS had to give it to them or see their once cash monster of a radio station die.

But O&A saw the writing on the wall. They saw the XM numbers and they new they were not going to be the pioneers of satellite radio. It is going to take years for satellite to get off the ground and after being out of the loop for 2 years our boys wanted back in. They did not want to wait and Stern grab the spotlight from them. SO they made the deal with CBS and we got 3 hours of radio we were told by our boys that sucked and 2 dead hours of XM when we paid for 4.

I know O&A didn't do it for the money. CBS already gave them shitload of it to stay away for 2 years. It was fame. They wanted to be popular again and no just in the XM world. If anybody thinks that the XM show is anything like it use to be then your drinking the kool aid. I've listened to them since 1998 and when they were on in the afternoons no matter where I was I always tuned in to hear the music hit and I listened from the beginning of the show till the end. The same with XM. Now I don't listen in the morning because I'm working and by the time I get out it's the middle of the show. So I wait until 3 and tune in no matter where I was. But lately it hasn't been the same for me. If I miss the begining of the show it don't bother me no more. If I miss a show at all which has happened lately I don't try and catch up. Use to be you could catch any show from the week on the weekends but that went out the window a long time ago. No you get the same 2 shows all weekend. It just ain't the same anymore. For me the fun was taken out when they went to CBS. No more being the rebels of radio anymore. Now it's just bowing to the man like every other jock in the world.

Say what you want about Stern but that shitty company had 600,000 listeners before he got there now they got 6 million +. People say Howie math but did 5 million people just decide to buy SIrius instead of XM because of the radio's or because of Stern? I don't know you tell me.

[Dickieboy]

I said it once and I'll say it again. O&A had CBS by the balls when they tucked tail and came calling the boys after Roth tanked big time. CBS radio division was dying a slow death and they were desperate. O&A could have and should have asked for all the artistic freedom they wanted from CBS and they would have had no choice but to let O&A have it. I mean what choice did CBS have? Stern leaving caught them unprepaired. The guy who thought that Roth was the answer should not be working there anymore. How do you throw the most important time slot in radio and in New York to boot to some over the hill rocker? Probably the biggest blunder in the history of New York radio. So they call on O&A. But instead of demanding that they will do the show as there were doing it at the time on XM and from XM they as Ant called it "compromised". WHY? SInce O&A got on XM all they did was bash radio about all the rules and the stupid commercials. But now we are all suppose to believe that the plan all along was to go back to FM? O&A said the future was satellite and XM radio. THey should have demanded that CBS take a delay of their show and edit it as they please. THey should have asked for the moon and CBS had to give it to them or see their once cash monster of a radio station die.

But O&A saw the writing on the wall. They saw the XM numbers and they new they were not going to be the pioneers of satellite radio. It is going to take years for satellite to get off the ground and after being out of the loop for 2 years our boys wanted back in. They did not want to wait and Stern grab the spotlight from them. SO they made the deal with CBS and we got 3 hours of radio we were told by our boys that sucked and 2 dead hours of XM when we paid for 4.

I know O&A didn't do it for the money. CBS already gave them shitload of it to stay away for 2 years. It was fame. They wanted to be popular again and no just in the XM world. If anybody thinks that the XM show is anything like it use to be then your drinking the kool aid. I've listened to them since 1998 and when they were on in the afternoons no matter where I was I always tuned in to hear the music hit and I listened from the beginning of the show till the end. The same with XM. Now I don't listen in the morning because I'm working and by the time I get out it's the middle of the show. So I wait until 3 and tune in no matter where I was. But lately it hasn't been the same for me. If I miss the begining of the show it don't bother me no more. If I miss a show at all which has happened lately I don't try and catch up. Use to be you could catch any show from the week on the weekends but that went out the window a long time ago. No you get the same 2 shows all weekend. It just ain't the same anymore. For me the fun was taken out when they went to CBS. No more being the rebels of radio anymore. Now it's just bowing to the man like every other jock in the world.

Say what you want about Stern but that shitty company had 600,000 listeners before he got there now they got 6 million +. People say Howie math but did 5 million people just decide to buy SIrius instead of XM because of the radio's or because of Stern? I don't know you tell me.


you gotta admit , that is a pretty good post and pretty accurate as well .

[tantone56]

I said it once and I'll say it again. O&A had CBS by the balls when they tucked tail and came calling the boys after Roth tanked big time. CBS radio division was dying a slow death and they were desperate. O&A could have and should have asked for all the artistic freedom they wanted from CBS and they would have had no choice but to let O&A have it. I mean what choice did CBS have? Stern leaving caught them unprepaired. The guy who thought that Roth was the answer should not be working there anymore. How do you throw the most important time slot in radio and in New York to boot to some over the hill rocker? Probably the biggest blunder in the history of New York radio. So they call on O&A. But instead of demanding that they will do the show as there were doing it at the time on XM and from XM they as Ant called it "compromised". WHY? SInce O&A got on XM all they did was bash radio about all the rules and the stupid commercials. But now we are all suppose to believe that the plan all along was to go back to FM? O&A said the future was satellite and XM radio. THey should have demanded that CBS take a delay of their show and edit it as they please. THey should have asked for the moon and CBS had to give it to them or see their once cash monster of a radio station die.

But O&A saw the writing on the wall. They saw the XM numbers and they new they were not going to be the pioneers of satellite radio. It is going to take years for satellite to get off the ground and after being out of the loop for 2 years our boys wanted back in. They did not want to wait and Stern grab the spotlight from them. SO they made the deal with CBS and we got 3 hours of radio we were told by our boys that sucked and 2 dead hours of XM when we paid for 4.

I know O&A didn't do it for the money. CBS already gave them shitload of it to stay away for 2 years. It was fame. They wanted to be popular again and no just in the XM world. If anybody thinks that the XM show is anything like it use to be then your drinking the kool aid. I've listened to them since 1998 and when they were on in the afternoons no matter where I was I always tuned in to hear the music hit and I listened from the beginning of the show till the end. The same with XM. Now I don't listen in the morning because I'm working and by the time I get out it's the middle of the show. So I wait until 3 and tune in no matter where I was. But lately it hasn't been the same for me. If I miss the begining of the show it don't bother me no more. If I miss a show at all which has happened lately I don't try and catch up. Use to be you could catch any show from the week on the weekends but that went out the window a long time ago. No you get the same 2 shows all weekend. It just ain't the same anymore. For me the fun was taken out when they went to CBS. No more being the rebels of radio anymore. Now it's just bowing to the man like every other jock in the world.

Say what you want about Stern but that shitty company had 600,000 listeners before he got there now they got 6 million +. People say Howie math but did 5 million people just decide to buy SIrius instead of XM because of the radio's or because of Stern? I don't know you tell me.

It's sad but true. I also haven't really had the desire to listen since the CBS deal. Their content feels watered down, and we get commericial breaks every twenty minutes. I wish they could go back to just being exclusivly on XM. I really could give a fuck about spreading the virus to other people, I only want an enjoyable joy.

[SonnyForelli]

They wanted to be popular again and not just in the XM world. If anybody thinks that the XM show is anything like it use to be then your drinking the kool aid. I've listened to them since 1998 and when they were on in the afternoons no matter where I was I always tuned in to hear the music hit and I listened from the beginning of the show till the end. The same with XM. Now I don't listen in the morning because I'm working and by the time I get out it's the middle of the show. So I wait until 3 and tune in no matter where I was. But lately it hasn't been the same for me. If I miss the begining of the show it don't bother me no more. If I miss a show at all which has happened lately I don't try and catch up. Use to be you could catch any show from the week on the weekends but that went out the window a long time ago. No you get the same 2 shows all weekend. It just ain't the same anymore. For me the fun was taken out when they went to CBS..

Im gonna pick your post apart here, not because its off base, but it kinda falls in line to what I have been saying on this issue.

1. Your right to a point that the XM show has suffered since the move, not necessarily with content, more with time constraint. BUT, you also mentioned that the fun was taken out when they went to CBS, But there best radio, especially in the past few months before the break, has been some of the best they have done. Lets not forget, the most cringing moment on any radio show happened on the Free FM side, The Baby Bird.

2. This brings me to my second point about what you wrote. Radio like the Baby Bird would be a lot better off heard in the Afternoon. Lets face it, The Casual Listener or Closet Listener have lives and hold normal jobs that they have to be on time to. Peoples stomachs are typically a lot stronger during the day. Plus if you start the type of show that O&A do at 3 in the afternoon when a lot more people are wide awake ready to take and understand the humor of the show, plus most people "married men between the ages of 18-45" are getting out of work heading back to there house to there wives. Now, I know myself here. If I have a choice to listen to the radio and be late for work, or listen to the radio and be late for the bitchy wife. I think I will be spending a lot more time in my car in the drive way to finish listening to the show because If the baby Bird happened say like at 6:30 pm, who the fuck cares that Dinner is cold, I ain't eating it anyways. That's probably the reason why you listened to the whole commercial show back when they were on WNEW.

Lets Face it, O&A on Free FM isn't really a show that can be broad casted in the office like a lot of people did with Stern. O&A would have to soften there approach and that would suck

[thegreatgazoo]

I said it once and I'll say it again. O&A had CBS by the balls when they tucked tail and came calling the boys after Roth tanked big time. CBS radio division was dying a slow death and they were desperate. O&A could have and should have asked for all the artistic freedom they wanted from CBS and they would have had no choice but to let O&A have it. I mean what choice did CBS have? Stern leaving caught them unprepaired. The guy who thought that Roth was the answer should not be working there anymore. How do you throw the most important time slot in radio and in New York to boot to some over the hill rocker? Probably the biggest blunder in the history of New York radio. So they call on O&A. But instead of demanding that they will do the show as there were doing it at the time on XM and from XM they as Ant called it "compromised". WHY? SInce O&A got on XM all they did was bash radio about all the rules and the stupid commercials. But now we are all suppose to believe that the plan all along was to go back to FM? O&A said the future was satellite and XM radio. THey should have demanded that CBS take a delay of their show and edit it as they please. THey should have asked for the moon and CBS had to give it to them or see their once cash monster of a radio station die.

But O&A saw the writing on the wall. They saw the XM numbers and they new they were not going to be the pioneers of satellite radio. It is going to take years for satellite to get off the ground and after being out of the loop for 2 years our boys wanted back in. They did not want to wait and Stern grab the spotlight from them. SO they made the deal with CBS and we got 3 hours of radio we were told by our boys that sucked and 2 dead hours of XM when we paid for 4.

I know O&A didn't do it for the money. CBS already gave them shitload of it to stay away for 2 years. It was fame. They wanted to be popular again and no just in the XM world. If anybody thinks that the XM show is anything like it use to be then your drinking the kool aid. I've listened to them since 1998 and when they were on in the afternoons no matter where I was I always tuned in to hear the music hit and I listened from the beginning of the show till the end. The same with XM. Now I don't listen in the morning because I'm working and by the time I get out it's the middle of the show. So I wait until 3 and tune in no matter where I was. But lately it hasn't been the same for me. If I miss the begining of the show it don't bother me no more. If I miss a show at all which has happened lately I don't try and catch up. Use to be you could catch any show from the week on the weekends but that went out the window a long time ago. No you get the same 2 shows all weekend. It just ain't the same anymore. For me the fun was taken out when they went to CBS. No more being the rebels of radio anymore. Now it's just bowing to the man like every other jock in the world.

Say what you want about Stern but that shitty company had 600,000 listeners before he got there now they got 6 million +. People say Howie math but did 5 million people just decide to buy SIrius instead of XM because of the radio's or because of Stern? I don't know you tell me.


Amen brother. What still bothers me is all the crap they spilled about how regular radio sucks and that they could never go back and now it was planned from the beginning. Give me a break, we are not that stupid.

[Tazznum1]

Maybe I'm getting old. I'm 31/F no kids, but have a bf steady for the last 4+ years and we live together.

Ever since they went to Free FM, something happened. I can't say what. I used to listen every single moment on XM and recorded it to my myfi and play it in the car - had 4 subs.

Now, I don't care about what I missed, the replays on the weekends suck c*ck and is on like a broken repeat button and I can't handle hearing the same show more than 2x, so off it goes.

I wasn't for this move to FreeFM, but was shouted down that more guests, more people listening, pissed off callers that aren't into them = more gooder radio for all. I didn't think it would be, but I gave it a shot. I have shifted to be a RNF faithful listener and now record them at 12am, then listen to work and then back to the car, then turn them on at 6:30 freefm.

I don't know what it is, but I don't have the "I gotta listen" virus anymore.

Kinda hard to spread the virus when you shook it off by accident. I love them so much and that is why I think I'm really disappointed, because I WANNA be like I was a year ago. I listened when they were at WNEW and was a $2 a month extra payer. :)

It just seems forced now when I listen.


Edit: BTW, I didn't really care about the baby bird hubbub. Maybe I missed the boat on that. Not that I am all girly OMG I CANT WATCH THAT, it just wasn't a big deal.

[Tazznum1]

I can say that I did like the old cast of characters that were sprinkled throughout the show (Lady Di, the old Patty etc.)


I also subscribe to paltalk and rarely go on it. That is another thing that I can't be bothered with hearing about. Paltalk, paltalk people etc. I like to hear about anus stun gun thought lol. But not the constant talk about it.

[Craskill]

Sub since first day on XM, Never missed a show. But, lately I dont really have that need to listen feeling either. It's not that the free FM show sucks, todays was good, but more like it's not as special because it's not a close knit XM nation community.

I listen to the replay on XM, and dont have time to listen during the live time. To the guys who listen to the replay, it doesn't matter if the Free FM show isn't live, as long as it's replayed on XM later in the day. Is this just me?

Thoughts?

[7cent]

Im gonna pick your post apart here, not because its off base, but it kinda falls in line to what I have been saying on this issue.

Lets not forget, the most cringing moment on any radio show happened on the Free FM side, The Baby Bird.


It was alright, but could have happened anywhere and would have been better on XM...

hey how great is it when they do something good on XM, then we get to hear them try and recreate it on FreeFM.. I like it best when they just play an edited version of the XM show, that's awesome..

[edzeppe]

i enjoy the radio program.

[Hydrosludge]

i enjoy the radio program.

This gets my vote for best post of the thread.


Paraphrasing another good post, just sit back and enjoy the ride.



Right now ONA are enjoying both sides of the fence. As long as they can keep putting up with the BS from two companies, I think they will continue as is.

[Deebomber]

Im gonna pick your post apart here, not because its off base, but it kinda falls in line to what I have been saying on this issue.

1. Your right to a point that the XM show has suffered since the move, not necessarily with content, more with time constraint. BUT, you also mentioned that the fun was taken out when they went to CBS, But there best radio, especially in the past few months before the break, has been some of the best they have done. Lets not forget, the most cringing moment on any radio show happened on the Free FM side, The Baby Bird.

2. This brings me to my second point about what you wrote. Radio like the Baby Bird would be a lot better off heard in the Afternoon. Lets face it, The Casual Listener or Closet Listener have lives and hold normal jobs that they have to be on time to. Peoples stomachs are typically a lot stronger during the day. Plus if you start the type of show that O&A do at 3 in the afternoon when a lot more people are wide awake ready to take and understand the humor of the show, plus most people "married men between the ages of 18-45" are getting out of work heading back to there house to there wives. Now, I know myself here. If I have a choice to listen to the radio and be late for work, or listen to the radio and be late for the bitchy wife. I think I will be spending a lot more time in my car in the drive way to finish listening to the show because If the baby Bird happened say like at 6:30 pm, who the fuck cares that Dinner is cold, I ain't eating it anyways. That's probably the reason why you listened to the whole commercial show back when they were on WNEW.

Lets Face it, O&A on Free FM isn't really a show that can be broad casted in the office like a lot of people did with Stern. O&A would have to soften there approach and that would suck

Sonny I feel your pain for afternoons. Man I miss those days popping a few brews smoking a cigar in my backyard laughing my ass off. But it's not gonna happen any time soon. Mornings is were the real test for radio is. If you can make it in the mornings your a star.
I was one of those people who listened to Stern at work when I work days and I had to keep it low at work. With the restrictions on FreeFM now O&A show is nothing in content compared to Stern back in the day.

Your point about staying in the car in your driveway listening to the show is something I've been doing for years. I start a 7pm and when they were on WNEW thank god the show ended like 6:50 or I would have been late to work everyday. Same with the XM replay when they started in 2004.

Baby Bird was gold but only until you saw the video. When It played on radio that day I already saw the video because I only catch the replays at 3pm. So I appreciated it more. No way anybody could get the full effect of what happened until they saw the videos.

[SonnyForelli]

Baby Bird was gold but only until you saw the video. When It played on radio that day I already saw the video because I only catch the replays at 3pm. So I appreciated it more. No way anybody could get the full effect of what happened until they saw the videos.

Well I have to admit, I was in the studio seeing the Baby Bird live so I guess theres a little bias from my point of view.

[jimmy crap]

na thats horse poo i love my xm and i dont think that the bouys would even think bout this idea cause if you recall every now and then theyll say something just for the i-xm'ers to hear knowing it wll get dumped

[Angelfuck]

Amen! I fucking can't stand when guests are there just because they're making their rounds to plug some shit. I realize the guys from Clerks 2 were obviously promoting the movie, and I think John Mayer had a new cd around the time he came in, but those were examples of celebrity guests that were actually good on the show and fit in with the show's flow.

they will always be promoting something, thats why they go on radio shows, as long as they're good or terribly bad I dont mind.
speaking of guests, for some reason Christopher Walken is appearing in a film adaptation of Hairspray, not exactly o&a's target audience but its something for him to promote, and please if its cbs, at least have him do the walkover.

[patbattlefield]

has anyone tried the toast in this thread yet? i like mine with peanut butter and a tall glass of milk.

[Angelfuck]

I like my toast with a side of hijacked thread :icon_wink

[patbattlefield]

I like my toast with a side of hijacked thread :icon_wink

speaking of hijacked, that new hitchhiker movie looks interesting.:icon_mrgr

[BaLZaC~308]

I like my toast with a side of hijacked thread :icon_wink


I love to eat angelfuck's ass errr I mean toast

[mendozathejew]

I know O&A didn't do it for the money. CBS already gave them shitload of it to stay away for 2 years. It was fame. They wanted to be popular again and no just in the XM world.

the XM show was a paper tiger. they do provacative radio. they attack people in the media, they stick up for people they respect. but any stand they took had little effect then. and as good as the XM show as before free fm, and as respectful as their auidence size was, the show couldnt do the 4,5 times a year crazy bits that they like to do.

compare the homeless shopping spree from 05' and compare it with 06.' and thats still pretty much the starting point on free fm. it took a long while for the wnew to catch on like a few people have said. it took longer than even most of the hardcore fans remember

[OnePremier]

I said it once and I'll say it again. O&A had CBS by the balls when they tucked tail and came calling the boys after Roth tanked big time. CBS radio division was dying a slow death and they were desperate. O&A could have and should have asked for all the artistic freedom they wanted from CBS and they would have had no choice but to let O&A have it. I mean what choice did CBS have? Stern leaving caught them unprepaired. The guy who thought that Roth was the answer should not be working there anymore. How do you throw the most important time slot in radio and in New York to boot to some over the hill rocker? Probably the biggest blunder in the history of New York radio. So they call on O&A. But instead of demanding that they will do the show as there were doing it at the time on XM and from XM they as Ant called it "compromised". WHY? SInce O&A got on XM all they did was bash radio about all the rules and the stupid commercials. But now we are all suppose to believe that the plan all along was to go back to FM? O&A said the future was satellite and XM radio. THey should have demanded that CBS take a delay of their show and edit it as they please. THey should have asked for the moon and CBS had to give it to them or see their once cash monster of a radio station die.

But O&A saw the writing on the wall. They saw the XM numbers and they new they were not going to be the pioneers of satellite radio. It is going to take years for satellite to get off the ground and after being out of the loop for 2 years our boys wanted back in. They did not want to wait and Stern grab the spotlight from them. SO they made the deal with CBS and we got 3 hours of radio we were told by our boys that sucked and 2 dead hours of XM when we paid for 4.

I know O&A didn't do it for the money. CBS already gave them shitload of it to stay away for 2 years. It was fame. They wanted to be popular again and no just in the XM world. If anybody thinks that the XM show is anything like it use to be then your drinking the kool aid. I've listened to them since 1998 and when they were on in the afternoons no matter where I was I always tuned in to hear the music hit and I listened from the beginning of the show till the end. The same with XM. Now I don't listen in the morning because I'm working and by the time I get out it's the middle of the show. So I wait until 3 and tune in no matter where I was. But lately it hasn't been the same for me. If I miss the begining of the show it don't bother me no more. If I miss a show at all which has happened lately I don't try and catch up. Use to be you could catch any show from the week on the weekends but that went out the window a long time ago. No you get the same 2 shows all weekend. It just ain't the same anymore. For me the fun was taken out when they went to CBS. No more being the rebels of radio anymore. Now it's just bowing to the man like every other jock in the world.

Say what you want about Stern but that shitty company had 600,000 listeners before he got there now they got 6 million +. People say Howie math but did 5 million people just decide to buy SIrius instead of XM because of the radio's or because of Stern? I don't know you tell me.

Very good post... seems to be a consensus among many XMer's on this board. Here's the difference I think for me personally:

Before the FreeFM deal I mostly listened with love for the Boys

Now I listen with frustration and contempt.

But I still listen. I'd be kidding myself if I said the FreeFM show sucked... because I still laugh my balls off at it. But I know the true potential as far as entertainment quality is in a fully uncensored show... not many people would disagree with that.

The frustration and contempt I speak of comes from O&A going back on everything they had talked about before. Does anyone remember how they labeled Howard as being such a hypocrite for him claiming he was the fighter for free speech against the FCC regime, then proceeding to have the gag order placed? That fact still remains. Howard is a hypocrite... but at least the boys had that over him.

2 years of destroying commercial radio and FCC censorship, the golden tickets to save jocks from the shackles of terrestrial, watching the CBS (and FM ship as a while) sink like a fucking stone, Satellite radio is the future of radio, the "Radio isn't meant to be paid for" ad campaigns... and then "by the way, we're going back to commercial radio... and we're gonna have to clean up our show." But... but... what about all that stuff you said about commercial radio? What happened to being the pioneers of satellite? "Well we wanted to do commercial radio all along, that was the plan originally, and we won't reach a very big audience with satellite, and most of our bits would transfer over to commercial radio just fine. etc. etc."

The thing that bugs me is they never awknowledged the blatant hipocrasy of what they did. It seems like Jimmy is the angel on one of their shoulders, and Chiasano is the devil on the other. Does anyone hear the disgust and anger in Jimmy's tone when they read over the dump report and something like "***** with a pen" or "peed my pants" is being dumped out on? Or when he's told to watch what he says cause he might offend a sponser? The awkwardness of trying to safely convey something that 5th graders joke about at recess? Is that the comprimise you have to make for popularity? How popular do you need to be?

I guess I don't really get their mindset. I identify a little more with Ronnie's more laid back attitude of "I don't really give a shit about my career, I just come in, talk for a few hours, have fun, and then take off."

So I still listen, I still laugh, I still dont miss a single show... I just now listen with a different attitude.

[Tazznum1]

Very good post... seems to be a consensus among many XMer's on this board. Here's the difference I think for me personally:

Before the FreeFM deal I mostly listened with love for the Boys

Now I listen with frustration and contempt.

But I still listen. I'd be kidding myself if I said the FreeFM show sucked... because I still laugh my balls off at it. But I know the true potential as far as entertainment quality is in a fully uncensored show... not many people would disagree with that.

The frustration and contempt I speak of comes from O&A going back on everything they had talked about before. Does anyone remember how they labeled Howard as being such a hypocrite for him claiming he was the fighter for free speech against the FCC regime, then proceeding to have the gag order placed? That fact still remains. Howard is a hypocrite... but at least the boys had that over him.

2 years of destroying commercial radio and FCC censorship, the golden tickets to save jocks from the shackles of terrestrial, watching the CBS (and FM ship as a while) sink like a fucking stone, Satellite radio is the future of radio, the "Radio isn't meant to be paid for" ad campaigns... and then "by the way, we're going back to commercial radio... and we're gonna have to clean up our show." But... but... what about all that stuff you said about commercial radio? What happened to being the pioneers of satellite? "Well we wanted to do commercial radio all along, that was the plan originally, and we won't reach a very big audience with satellite, and most of our bits would transfer over to commercial radio just fine. etc. etc."

The thing that bugs me is they never awknowledged the blatant hipocrasy of what they did. It seems like Jimmy is the angel on one of their shoulders, and Chiasano is the devil on the other. Does anyone hear the disgust and anger in Jimmy's tone when they read over the dump report and something like "***** with a pen" or "peed my pants" is being dumped out on? Or when he's told to watch what he says cause he might offend a sponser? The awkwardness of trying to safely convey something that 5th graders joke about at recess? Is that the comprimise you have to make for popularity? How popular do you need to be?

I guess I don't really get their mindset. I identify a little more with Ronnie's more laid back attitude of "I don't really give a shit about my career, I just come in, talk for a few hours, have fun, and then take off."

So I still listen, I still laugh, I still dont miss a single show... I just now listen with a different attitude.

Word.

[Natas]

I only listen on XM, and it's not because I don't want to listen to FM. I leave my house for work at 8:45 and get in my office around 9:00, so I'm not listening live until 9ish. I like having some live show

[Dr. Hoffman]

I only listen on XM, and it's not because I don't want to listen to FM. I leave my house for work at 8:45 and get in my office around 9:00, so I'm not listening live until 9ish. I like having some live show

I'm in the same boat. I'd listen on FM on the drive to work if I could but WJFK being the shitty station they are doesn't play the boys till later. Therefore I am strictly an XM listener and because of the way JFK has treated the boys find it hard to want to promote WJFK down here.

[augiep38]

I know I am going to get flamed for this, but I am going to throw it out there and see if we can get a normal discussion.

While I know it takes time, ratings have been pretty low for the O&A show ove