Mirko Cro Cop

[RMPGP]

Good discussion about Cro Cop today.

The guy is a fucking animal.

Just watch this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZhsm-IAeuo

[UCFGavin]

once he gets into UFC and goes up against that joke of a heavyweight champion...bet the house

[NightStalker3]

yep, this dude is unreal. looks like a fucking assassin.

[sniper]

I did my youtube research on this animal after ufc 66 when they promoted 67 and said he'd be on the card, I can't wait to see this guy in action, his kicks are lethal.

[RMPGP]

He's the closest thing to Fedor UFC will get.

[UCFGavin]

He's the closest thing to Fedor UFC will get.

hes the closest to fedor there is :icon_eek:

[mendozathejew]

fedor and cro cop are unbelievably good. heavyweights with the skills of a smaller fighter. fedor will probably go down as the best MMA fighter ever, and cro cop just behind him.

a few fedor emelianeko highlight reels to those who havent seen him.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0VPrC9rFc90 you'll never see a black man beaten by whitey so badly

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fjpeDrv7TR8

[Etherfiend]

once he gets into UFC and goes up against that joke of a heavyweight champion...bet the house

:clap:

can't wait...

[mendozathejew]

fedor vs cro cop highlights.....hopefully we the see the rematch some day
http://youtube.com/watch?v=j4yIo1iE7_s
hopefully we the see the rematch some day. cro cop might be able to take him now. two eastern european savages with zero emotions in the ring

[NightStalker3]

Fedor vs Mirko longer version, looked fairly even

http://youtube.com/watch?v=14pwRF6M7N4&mode=related&search=

[Mud Duck]

Mirko's a beast... PrideFC definitely has the better heavyweight division, but Cro Cop coming to the US does help alot... Heath Herring was supposed to help the UFC heavys too, but um - well, yeah...

I just can't wait to get that belt away from Sylvia... I don't care who it is... Mad that Brandon Vera got passed over for the shot, but happy Randy's back to hopefully take it at UFC 68...

[mendozathejew]

Fedor vs Mirko longer version, looked fairly even

http://youtube.com/watch?v=14pwRF6M7N4&mode=related&search=
fedor beat him at his own game, had got the better of the standup, and ground.

fedor cuts easy. its basically his only weakness. imo cro cop is better now than he was then.at the same time fedors hand was severely broken so his punches werent nearly at 100%. who knows whod win today. thats the only thing that sucks about him coming to the ufc.

[DanaReevesLungs]

I've never understood how a guy that out of shape looking could win like he does....but then again, he hasn't faced anything like Cro Cop. I thinking first round beating.

[mendozathejew]

I've never understood how a guy that out of shape looking could win like he does....but then again, he hasn't faced anything like Cro Cop. I thinking first round beating.
who are you talking about sylvia?

[DanaReevesLungs]

nevermind....I totally fucked up before seeing who was fighting who.

[thegreenninja]

I've always liked the other Emilianenko brother, with the bad tats.

[( . Y . )]

Ufc hw division looking really good, Randy coming back, Heath even with the bad first match, Brandon Vera up and coming, and AA still in there.

i hope crocop can adjust to the ufc rules of no soccer kick and kneeing a down opp.

I'm looking more toward a Crocop vs. Couture match than crocop vs. sylvia

[Larz]

fedor vs cro cop highlights.....hopefully we the see the rematch some day
http://youtube.com/watch?v=j4yIo1iE7_s
hopefully we the see the rematch some day. cro cop might be able to take him now. two eastern european savages with zero emotions in the ring


I agree... Fedor was a little too aggressive in his standup, Cop gave him a lot of room to work cause he had to respect the takedown so he played Defense standing. Now that Cop is more experienced in MMA I think he would go for a KO more aggressively.

[mendozathejew]

fedors hands were broken in the fight with cro cop. in the first clip I posted in this thread you can actually hear his hand cracking on that negros skull. he went to some shitty russian doctor and didnt get it healed properly til this past year.

so fedors ground and pound would be much better. and I dont think cro cop would fight the rematch petrified and running away like he did in the first fight. its depressing to talk about hoping the rematch happens

[Melk]

Mirko Cro Cop is going to the UFC because the alleged Japanese mafia influence in PrideFC ruined Pride's profitability. It's a shame really... no PrideFC New Year Eve special last year because FujiTV didn't want their image tarnished by the Sopranomotos.

Mirko is easily one of the best still active in MMA. I hope the UFC gets the most out of him.

[waltuO]

i hope crocop can adjust to the ufc rules of no soccer kick and kneeing a down opp.

Well you won't find out if he did this first fight in. Don't blink or you'll miss the whole thing.

[DREW]

Fedor vs Mirko longer version, looked fairly even

http://youtube.com/watch?v=14pwRF6M7N4&mode=related&search=


Fedor said that fight with Mirko was his toughest

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

I've never understood how a guy that out of shape looking could win like he does....but then again, he hasn't faced anything like Cro Cop. I thinking first round beating.
Sylvia might not be rock hard but it doesn't mean he's not in good shape. I mean, there is a genetic element that comes into play man. Not everyone is built to have an 8 pack.

I train...and while I'm in very good shape ( I could fight for 20 - 30 minutes right now if I had to, which is saying a lot if you've ever been in a fight) I still have a little bit of a belly. I'm working on it, but I don't know if I'm ever gonna be LL Cool J style ripped.

OH, and speaking of fighting.

I'm fighting on Feb 17th. Go to my myspace for details. I'll appreciate any support I can get.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

That non-ripped look is actually an asset when fighting, IMO. It's extra fuel to keep you going if the fight goes long.

[Cybouncer]

Look at Fedor, he's not ripped.

As Joe said, some people are just not genetically inclined to have be ripped, that doesnt' mean they are in bad shape.


Although I don't think Sylvia stands a champ against Cro Cop, I don't think he's the piece of shit you guys are making him out to be. I thought he was much better before his arm snapped like firewood though.

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

That non-ripped look is actually an asset when fighting, IMO. It's extra fuel to keep you going if the fight goes long.
Though I'm not sure of the value of "extra-fuel" there is a fine line between having outstanding cardio (arguably the deciding factor in at least 60% of fights) and over doing it.

I think a good example of over doing it is Matt Hughes last time he fought GSP...he was noticeably smaller, and I think it was a result of too much cardio. Though what I'm saying shouldn't be taken as an excuse to skimp on cardio while training because the fact of the matter is that 99% of people will never do enough cardio for it to be considered too much.


Oh, and to continue to whore myself...if you've got a myspace go to my myspace and add me so I can annoy you about buying tickets to my fights. It's looking like my next one after Feb is going to be in Atlantic City in June.

[RMPGP]

any chance mark kerr could get back on the juice again and jumnp into the mix or is he almost dead?

[BullsLawDan]

once he gets into UFC and goes up against that joke of a heavyweight champion...bet the house

Don't forget, dude, there are rules changes involved in changing promotions. Just like the Philadelphia Flyers used to be good when the NHL rules favored huge checking lines and defensemen that played like stone towers...

UFC's non-restraint of Muay Thai techniques (read: elbows) and conversely Pride's favor towards kicking can mean a lot to certain matchups.

See also: Heath Herring.

[mendozathejew]

fedor has amazing cardio. he looks chubby, but his shoulders are immense, and the fat around his muscles actually protects your joints, especially for power lifters, they intentionally keep fat on the body. and fedors very crude training techniques probably are benefited by that

[Fredo Corleone]

any chance mark kerr could get back on the juice again and jumnp into the mix or is he almost dead?

he got tko'd by mike whitehead a few months back, and his last fight before that he knocked himself out taking down yamamoto, so i think it's pretty safe to say he's done.

i used to hate crocop and always rooted against him, until he scrambled vanderlei's brains. (see my av:icon_mrgr )

[ChoppedLiver]

As I watched that, sitting here eating potato chips and drinking a Pepsi, I realize just the fucking mess I am.

Wow. He's a fucking machine.

[Jims Rottweiler]

I'd rather face a jackhammer than either Cro Cop of Fedor. Jesus, what fucking animals.

[highfive]

after watching Sylvia's last few fights i want him to get destroyed by Cro Cop however he will not get past Randy. hopefully they let Crop Cop go thru Sylvia (if he loses to Couture) in order to get a title shot. Sylvia can't be sleeping well at night.

[mobybeaver]

Herring fought Jake OBrien with a torn MCL, making it difficult (if not impossible) to sprawl. I'm sure once Herring heals up he'll put oin a better show.

[Cybouncer]

fedor has amazing cardio. he looks chubby, but his shoulders are immense, and the fat around his muscles actually protects your joints, especially for power lifters, they intentionally keep fat on the body. and fedors very crude training techniques probably are benefited by that


Exactly my point Jew Boy! :action-sm

Nothing beats that farmer boy strength. Which is also why you really can't sleep on Sylvia. This dude's from Downeast Maine. Crazy, tough motherfuckers in those parts. I don't think he's going to beat Mirko but I don't think it's going to be the cake walk that many think.

[mendozathejew]

like norton said the other day, every fighter fucks up, gets clocked and knocked out by an inferior opponent. thats whats so sick about fedor.

its happened to him, and he still won. Fujita basically knocked fedor out, and fedor still won. randleman should have paralyzed him with that suplex, and it didnt matter at all. fedor still knocked their asses out.

[UCFGavin]

Don't forget, dude, there are rules changes involved in changing promotions. Just like the Philadelphia Flyers used to be good when the NHL rules favored huge checking lines and defensemen that played like stone towers...

UFC's non-restraint of Muay Thai techniques (read: elbows) and conversely Pride's favor towards kicking can mean a lot to certain matchups.

See also: Heath Herring.

honestly, regardless of the rules...cro cop is 10x the fighter that sylvia is. i would be surprised if sylvia even made it past the second round.

[UCFGavin]

like norton said the other day, every fighter fucks up, gets clocked and knocked out by an inferior opponent. thats whats so sick about fedor.

its happened to him, and he still won. Fujita basically knocked fedor out, and fedor still won. randleman should have paralyzed him with that suplex, and it didnt matter at all. fedor still knocked their asses out.

i didn't believe that fedor was the greatest of all time until the fujita fight (if its the one I'm thinking of, I'm a bit drunk right now). I didn't see him winning it and he came back and put the hurt on and actually won the fight. At that point in time I was on the Fedor bandwagon.

[Seattle O&A Fan]

Fedor is a beast,and it's very entertaining to watch how many different ways he can dominate.Cro-cop is my personal faveorite fighter can't wait till saturday.Oh yeah Rampage rules as well.

[mendozathejew]

i didn't believe that fedor was the greatest of all time until the fujita fight (if its the one I'm thinking of, I'm a bit drunk right now). I didn't see him winning it and he came back and put the hurt on and actually won the fight. At that point in time I was on the Fedor bandwagon.
yeah that fight was beyond impressive. while concussed still having the balance to prevent any more damage, then give a awesome ko/choke ending.when i saw him beat cro cop at his own game thats when I was convinced. the first round as a close round, cro cop didnt some good damage.

then to start the second round fedorput together a 5 punch combo, and the body shots in my opinion took cro cops wind straight out of him.by cro cops own admission it was the only fight he was really dominated while being at his best

I think they are both better fighters today.

[coolmeat]

it was common knowledge that pride had the best fighters in the world. ufc fan, but when i watched pride there was no comparison. now that pride fighters are coming to the ufc youre going to see a shift in power. mirko, rampage, fuck the ultimate fighter shows ,with so much talent they will never get time to mature. on one hand they made themselves popular by the t.v. show ,but they fucked themselves by getting the best in the sort.

[mendozathejew]

look at these two savages. those fuckers could have won the cold war with them
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/328/1316258crocopfedor1qk8.gif

[UCFGavin]

yeah that fight was beyond impressive. while concussed still having the balance to prevent any more damage, then give a awesome ko/choke ending.when i saw him beat cro cop at his own game thats when I was convinced. the first round as a close round, cro cop didnt some good damage.

then to start the second round fedorput together a 5 punch combo, and the body shots in my opnion took cro cops wind straight out of him.by cro cops own admission it was the only fight he was really dominated while being at his best

I think they are both better fighters today.

seeing fedor and cro cop go at it again would be amazing. in my opinion #1 and #2 fighters. I still think Fedor would pull it out but it would still be awesome to watch. I've seen their first fight more than a few times on youtube and all over the net and its still a great fight to watch.

I don't blame Cro Cop from going to UFC though for the money. I remember looking at the money paid to the fighters at the last Pride event and while everyone made decent money, Fedor made a cool $1 mil while his opponent made like $150k

[( . Y . )]

Glad to see some knowledgeable mma fans in here. Even having a fighter posting(good luck joefroms.jersey).

I hope the boys get more fighters on the show. Rampage would be good, if he goes back to his old ways, not born again rampage. Also get Bas Rutten in there. With the bodog fight sponsor and jimmy looks like he may get into mma. Have Rogan in there at the same time too.

[Palerider4146]

Ufc hw division looking really good, Randy coming back, Heath even with the bad first match, Brandon Vera up and coming, and AA still in there.

i hope crocop can adjust to the ufc rules of no soccer kick and kneeing a down opp.

I'm looking more toward a Crocop vs. Couture match than crocop vs. sylvia
I have a bad feeling about Vera, with the contract/money dispute, it seems real nasty with him and the UFC. The kid was doing really well and deserved Tim, but I dont know what will happen. I'm not looking forward to CroCop vs Couture so much, I really dont want to see a man who I respect greatly with a flattened right skull. Randy is great, but his last two fights against a real striker (Chuck) didnt end so well.Cro Cop vs Chuck could be real interesting. Cro Cop only fights at about 220 I believe, I dont see any reason why he couldnt cut to 205.

[Palerider4146]

Glad to see some knowledgeable mma fans in here. Even having a fighter posting(good luck joefroms.jersey).

I hope the boys get more fighters on the show. Rampage would be good, if he goes back to his old ways, not born again rampage. Also get Bas Rutten in there. With the bodog fight sponsor and jimmy looks like he may get into mma. Have Rogan in there at the same time too.
Well my friend check out the stickied MMA thread in the sports section of wackbag, real good MMA discussions in there. Even have Joe Lauzon who kod Jens last year posting in there.

[Drown the Clown]

The odds are insane on this guy. Feb. 3rd vs. Eddie Sanchez. Currently at pinnacle sports: Bet $1151 to win $100. Whos gonna lay that much juice?

[mendozathejew]

.Cro Cop vs Chuck could be real interesting.
you might as well just send chuck to hezbollah. it would be the same result.

[( . Y . )]

Palerider thanks for the heads up on the MMA thread


I have a bad feeling about Vera, with the contract/money dispute, it seems real nasty with him and the UFC. The kid was doing really well and deserved Tim, but I dont know what will happen. I'm not looking forward to CroCop vs Couture so much, I really dont want to see a man who I respect greatly with a flattened right skull. Randy is great, but his last two fights against a real striker (Chuck) didnt end so well.Cro Cop vs Chuck could be real interesting. Cro Cop only fights at about 220 I believe, I dont see any reason why he couldnt cut to 205.


I never thought of it that way, couture is a legend total respect. I was sad when sakuraba fought silva the second time, he was my mma idol. and crocop did fight silva although i forgot if he cut down to 205 or it was just a hw vs lhw fight.

[Fredo Corleone]

after watching Sylvia's last few fights i want him to get destroyed by Cro Cop however he will not get past Randy. hopefully they let Crop Cop go thru Sylvia (if he loses to Couture) in order to get a title shot. Sylvia can't be sleeping well at night.

randy isn't going to beat tim sylvia. randy lost his last two fights at heavyweight because he's a small heavyweight and gassed out big time pushing around guys that had 20-30 lbs on him. he'd get tired, and they'd end up on top, fight over. tim is a monster, and has proved he can fight off his back. couture doesn't have the power to ko him either. i love randy, and i'll be rooting for him, but this is just a bad decision for him to come back and fight tim.

there are a few theories about why couture decided to come back. one is that he's training alot of fighters at the new school he owns with bas and bjm, and that he's basically destroying all of them when they roll and spar. that's given him the idea that he can still compete, which i'm sure he can. the second is that dana white begged him to come back to sell tickets and ppv buys. the third is that randy saw how pay checks for guys like tito and chuck have grown since he left and wants a few big pay days before he retires. i love randy, but i just think this was a bad idea.

[Fredo Corleone]

it was common knowledge that pride had the best fighters in the world.

i really don't agree with that at all. at the HW, yes, that much is certain, but i think that liddell, tito, and the randy that was fighting a year or two ago could beat any of the 205ers in pride. tito and couture would take silva down at will. it may be a boring lay and pray decision, but silva's takedown defense is not impressive at all and he definitely would not be able to stuff tito and especially not randy again and again. i don't think silva has the chin to take on liddell. shogun would be an interesting fight for couture and tito, but in the end i think they could out grapple him. arona might cause problems for couture, but tito almost beat arona in adcc, so adding strikes to the mix, i think tito takes it. liddell would put arona's head into the audience. overeem is another interesting guy, but his cardio is fucking shit. if he doesn't win in the first 5 minutes, he's fucked.

as for the smaller classes, the only guy at 185 who really impresses me in pride is henderson, and even he is hit or miss. bustamante is too old now and we've already seen phil baroni in the ufc. ufc's 185 division has guys like rich franklin, anderson silva (i know, ex pride), matt lindland (he'll be back when he wakes up from the coma fedor will put him in in bodog fight), dave terrell. pride's smallest weight class is around 165, so they could compete with ufc's lw (155) and mw (170). pride has a few great fighters there: aurelo, kawajiri, hansen, melendez, aoki, sakurai, and gomi, but i'm more impressed by guys like hughes (already mauled sakurai), gsp, penn, sherk, hermes franca, yves edwards, diego sanchez, and parysian. i mean penn already annihilated gomi (broke his nose and jaw before choking him out). i know gomi has gotten alot better, but i think penn beats him handily again.

[Palerider4146]

Fredo, you also seem very MMA knowledgable. Come join us in the Wackbag MMA thread in the sports section. It's stickied and easy to find. Welcome.

[Fredo Corleone]

Fredo, you also seem very MMA knowledgable. Come join us in the Wackbag MMA thread in the sports section. It's stickied and easy to find. Welcome.

already there dude. i've been a member of the shitdog forums since 9/10/2001, so yeah, i've been into mma for a while.

[Bodizapha]

IF you looks at the mma pro rankings, things are pretty even right now.

Heavy weight still leans toward Pride with Hunt, Barnet, Fedor, and Big Nog.
Light Heavy Weight is more even. Chuck, Tito, Babalu, Rampage for UFC. Wandy, Lil Nog, Shogun, Arona for Pride.
Middle weight might lean a little bit more toward UFC. Silva, Franklin, Swick, Marquete.
Welter Weight is ALL ufc. GSP, Hughes, Sanchez, Penn.
Light weight is mostly Pride, Shooto, and K-1. Gomi, Shaolin, Yamamoto.

All in all, i would call the big two orgs. pretty close. Brandon Vera didnt want to sign a contract extension. There for he didnt get his title shot. Is it fair... no. Is it a good buisness move.... Yes. It avoids the B.J. Penn scnario where you have a guy win the belt, then leave if somebody throws money at him. You cannot blame UFC for not giving him the shot with out signing an extension.

Contact money and salary is all a load of shit. Nevada State Comission pulls upwards of 30% of you purse from a fight for "Taxes." All the real money in professional fighting now is in sponsorships. Whom are in bed with the fighting orgs as much as anybody.

Lets not forget that Rampage is making his UFC debut, against the guy who handed him his loss in his very first fight. Crocop is a fucking robot. But Rampage's persona and antics will realy go over well with the UFC fan base.

Cant wait for the ppv this weekend.

[Fredo Corleone]

Welter Weight is ALL ufc. GSP, Hughes, Sanchez, Penn.
Light weight is mostly Pride, Shooto, and K-1. Gomi, Shaolin, Yamamoto.


these two are a little misleading. pride only has 4 divisions, and their lightest is 160lbs. ufc has 155lbs for lw and 170lbs for ww. because alot of the fighters have fought at different weights (penn, sakurai, sherk, yves edwards, florian all come to mind), i combine the two. i know, not the most scientific method.

[Bodizapha]

All the more argument to say they are pretty even.

[mendozathejew]

pride has a much deeper pool at HW and Light HW, and lightweight. arona and shogun are better than silva and liddell in my opinion. lighweight its not evenclose, pride is better. ww its not evn close ufc is better.
mmaweekly's top ten

#1 Heavyweight Fighter in the World: Fedor Emelianenko
2. Mirko Cro Cop
3. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
4. Josh Barnett
5. Tim Sylvia
6. Andrei Arlovski
7. Fabricio Werdum
8. Aleksander Emelianenko
9. Mark Hunt
10. Sergei Kharitonov

LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION (205-pound limit)
#1 Light Heavyweight Fighter in the World: Chuck Liddell
2. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua
3. Wanderlei Silva
4. Ricardo Arona
5. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
6. Renato "Babalu" Sobral
7. Quinton Jackson
8. Tito Ortiz
9. Kazuhiro Nakamura
10. Alistair Overeem

MIDDLEWEIGHT DIVISION (185-pound limit)
#1 Middleweight Fighter in the World: Matt Lindland
2. Anderson Silva
3. Paulo Filho
4. Kazuo Misaki
5. Rich Franklin
6. Dan Henderson
7. Denis Kang
8. Nathan Marquardt
9. Jeremy Horn
10. Amar Suloev

WELTERWEIGHT DIVISION (170-pound limit)
#1 Welterweight Fighter in the World: Georges St. Pierre
2. Matt Hughes
3. BJ Penn
4. Diego Sanchez
5. Karo Parisyan
6. Jake Shields
7. Jon Fitch
8. Akira Kikuchi
9. Nick Diaz
10. Josh Koscheck

LIGHTWEIGHT DIVISION (160 pounds and lower)
#1 Lightweight Fighter in the World: Takanori Gomi
2. Hayato Sakurai
3. Gilbert Melendez
4. Tatsuya Kawajiri
5. Vitor "Shaolin" Ribeiro
6. Shinya Aoki
7. Joachim Hansen
8. Norifumi "Kid" Yamamoto
9. Mitsuhiro Ishida
10. Sean Sherk

[Fredo Corleone]

pride has a much deeper pool at HW and Light HW, and lightweight. arona and shogun are better than silva and liddell in my opinion. lighweight its not evenclose, pride is better. ww its not evn close ufc is better.

we just discussed this - pride doesn't even have a ww division. their lw division fights at 160lbs, which is 5 lbs heavier than ufc's lw division and 10lbs, so it's not really a fair comparison. many of the guys in ufc's ww could get down to 160 and many of the guys in pride's lw division could fight at 170.

also, how is arona better than liddell?! if tito and couture couldn't take liddell down and keep him there, how is arona? rampage set up his takedowns of liddell (4 years ago btw) with his striking, something that arona doesn't have. pair that with arona's ridiculous stance while standing, with his head straight up in the air and his chin not tucked, he's asking for a liddell overhand right. arona wouldn't make it out of the first round with liddell.

[Cybouncer]

pride has a much deeper pool at HW and Light HW, and lightweight. arona and shogun are better than silva and liddell in my opinion. lighweight its not evenclose, pride is better. ww its not evn close ufc is better.
mmaweekly's top ten

#1 Heavyweight Fighter in the World: Fedor Emelianenko
2. Mirko Cro Cop
3. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
4. Josh Barnett
5. Tim Sylvia
6. Andrei Arlovski
7. Fabricio Werdum
8. Aleksander Emelianenko
9. Mark Hunt
10. Sergei Kharitonov

LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION (205-pound limit)
#1 Light Heavyweight Fighter in the World: Chuck Liddell
2. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua
3. Wanderlei Silva
4. Ricardo Arona
5. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
6. Renato "Babalu" Sobral
7. Quinton Jackson
8. Tito Ortiz
9. Kazuhiro Nakamura
10. Alistair Overeem

MIDDLEWEIGHT DIVISION (185-pound limit)
#1 Middleweight Fighter in the World: Matt Lindland
2. Anderson Silva
3. Paulo Filho
4. Kazuo Misaki
5. Rich Franklin
6. Dan Henderson
7. Denis Kang
8. Nathan Marquardt
9. Jeremy Horn
10. Amar Suloev

WELTERWEIGHT DIVISION (170-pound limit)
#1 Welterweight Fighter in the World: Georges St. Pierre
2. Matt Hughes
3. BJ Penn
4. Diego Sanchez
5. Karo Parisyan
6. Jake Shields
7. Jon Fitch
8. Akira Kikuchi
9. Nick Diaz
10. Josh Koscheck

LIGHTWEIGHT DIVISION (160 pounds and lower)
#1 Lightweight Fighter in the World: Takanori Gomi
2. Hayato Sakurai
3. Gilbert Melendez
4. Tatsuya Kawajiri
5. Vitor "Shaolin" Ribeiro
6. Shinya Aoki
7. Joachim Hansen
8. Norifumi "Kid" Yamamoto
9. Mitsuhiro Ishida
10. Sean Sherk

I agree with a lot of these but I'm not a big Josh Barnett fan. I would drop him below Silvia & Arlovski.

I also would drop Babalu below Ortiz.

also, how is arona better than liddell?! if tito and couture couldn't take liddell down and keep him there, how is arona? rampage set up his takedowns of liddell (4 years ago btw) with his striking, something that arona doesn't have. pair that with arona's ridiculous stance while standing, with his head straight up in the air and his chin not tucked, he's asking for a liddell overhand right. arona wouldn't make it out of the first round with liddell.

Although I agree with your assessment, you have to think that Arona would adjust his fighting style/stance to his opponent. If you leave that chin out there with Chuck, it'll get smacked.

[Fredo Corleone]

I agree with a lot of these but I'm not a big Josh Barnett fan. I would drop him below Silvia & Arlovski.

I also would drop Babalu below Ortiz.



Although I agree with your assessment, you have to think that Arona would adjust his fighting style/stance to his opponent. If you leave that chin out there with Chuck, it'll get smacked.


he didn't against shogun, silva, or rampage. the only thing is that technically, liddell is better wrestler than they are.

[mendozathejew]

also, how is arona better than liddell?! if tito and couture couldn't take liddell down and keep him there, how is arona? rampage set up his takedowns of liddell (4 years ago btw) with his striking, something that arona doesn't have. pair that with arona's ridiculous stance while standing, with his head straight up in the air and his chin not tucked, he's asking for a liddell overhand right. arona wouldn't make it out of the first round with liddell.
arona is as strong as a bull, throws decent leg kicks, and can keep a fighter on their back better than just about anyone else. in my opinion its a horrible matchup for liddell at this stage of his career. I think liddell knocks out wanderlei, but struggles with arona just like wandy did, only worse.

liddells striking against his opponents of the last 3 years just doesnt impress me. I dont think its relative to fights with prides top 4 205 lb'ers

[mendozathejew]

and in terms of comparing ww in ufc to prides lightweights, I didnt mean to actually compare fighters, I should have said each has a division they pretty much own to themselves

[Fruit Monkey]

fucking punk bitch, I'll kick his ass.
Has he fucking killed anyone yet, WOW!

[Fredo Corleone]

arona is as strong as a bull, throws decent leg kicks, and can keep a fighter on their back better than just about anyone else. in my opinion its a horrible matchup for liddell at this stage of his career. I think liddell knocks out wanderlei, but struggles with arona just like wandy did, only worse.

liddells striking against his opponents of the last 3 years just doesnt impress me. I dont think its relative to fights with prides top 4 205 lb'ers

i think arona is tailor made for liddell. a grappler with shitty striking. arona is as strong as a bull, but he is not as strong as tito. i'm not taking anything away from arona's grappling, i just think that if liddell has proved anything, he is an extremely bad match up for grapplers (tito X2, couture X2, babalu X2, randleman, monson, horn....). also, don't compare liddell's wrestling with silva's. silva got put on his back several times by alexander otsuka. in the second fight, arona had trouble putting silva down, which no great grappler should have too much difficulty doing. if he can't take down vanderlei when he wants to, how is he going to put down liddell, and even more difficult, keep him there?

[mendozathejew]

silva has underrated bjj. almost subbed fujita, beat up rampage from the guard making the KO possible.

and arona is far stronger than tito in grappling. check out their match at adcc. chuck beat overeem on wrestling- he was losing the standup, had to clinch and grapple to soften up overeem. chuck hasnt beaten a striker in years. arona has regularly beaten strikers, like overeem easily.

[mendozathejew]

we should probably stop annoying everyone and take it the mma thread:icon_mrgr

[Bodizapha]

That the problem with rankings, no matter what anyway you do it. Some how some way, there is a bias for the rankings. Untill you have one sanctioning body thats the way it will be.

Also, i am not in favor of ONE monster mma org at all. Look what happened to boxing.

I will give you the fact that Pride has better HW. LW goes to k-1 or Shooto. Pride is good, UFC is mediocre(for LW). MW, WW goes to UFC. LHW is too close to call for me.

The only difference i see, is that the UFC is reloading more and more fighters every month. They bought out WEC, and now have a "farm system." Pride is putting all of their chips in one or two baskets. Wandy and Fedor. Dont get me wrong, those are two damn good baskets to put chips in. But eventually those guys will get old.

I know Fedor has prodigy's in training (His brother isn't what of them, despite the bitchin' tats). But i don't see Pride making any longevity moves. They have lost their T.V. contract in Japan, and are broadcasting via a Korean Satelite station. I don't agree with the way Pride is marketing their fights in the U.S. either. In two ppvs, we will see the top of the Pride food chain fighting:

- A washed up american can in Coleman (vs. Fedor)
- An outweighed non-title fight in Henderson (vs. Wandy)
- A UFC ringer in ANOTHER non-title fight in Diaz (vs. Gomi)
- A two time kidney failed steroid Abuser in Randleman (vs. Big Nog)

Pride either thinks that american fans only wanna see Yankee talent square off against the worlds best, or they wanna put former UFC faces up against the best they have to offer. All of which is fine, if that is their marketing strategy.

Maybe i am too much of a fight snob, but for my 50 bucks a month on a ppv I wanna see the BEST vs. the BEST. Not the best american vs. the best in the world.

I dont nuthug either promotion, UFC is Mary Ann. A familar product, where I know what i am going to get. Damn good talent, with a good show, and from time to time some real fireworks. Pride is Ginger. A little exotic, a little foerign, and some times an enigma to me. In the end i walk away happy, just not completly sure what i spent my money on. But on and given day, i will be more than happy to spend my money on either one of them.

[Bodizapha]

Right. Can i get a thread merge?
we should probably stop annoying everyone and take it the mma thread:icon_mrgr

[mendozathejew]

fedor has basically already cleaned out the HW division at pride. after the cro cop fight he had his hand finally healing properly, while waiting for a standout to arrive. the rematch with cro cop and a fight with barnett is really all there is for him at this point. hes already done it all. I think hes got another 2 years or so in him

[mendozathejew]

http://www.doghouseboxing.com/dhb/Edwards_020107.htm

if you are new to mma, or dont know who cro cop and rampage are this is a good article to catch you up. I posted the whole thing in the sports forum

[Palerider4146]

I dont nuthug either promotion, UFC is Mary Ann. A familar product, where I know what i am going to get. Damn good talent, with a good show, and from time to time some real fireworks. Pride is Ginger. A little exotic, a little foerign, and some times an enigma to me. In the end i walk away happy, just not completly sure what i spent my money on. But on and given day, i will be more than happy to spend my money on either one of them.

So what your saying is that you want to missionary style the UFC, but ass fuck and humiliate Pride. I got it now.

[Bronx Johnny]

I've seen 3 Fedor fights and can honestly say that he is the best in the world with Crocop a very distant second. With Crocop the only worry i have is that the MMA rules in UFC are different and i just am interested to see how he will adjust. I feel alot of you are underestimating Tim Sylvia's ability as mentioned before by another poster he is very good at fighting when on his back. I want to see Crocops first fight and would like to see the fight go all three rounds just to observe how he adjusts to the UFC rules and how prepared he is. Fedor is a cyborg!

[Cunt Tree]

This may be a little off topic; but does any one know why the DVD for UFC 57 is not available yet?

[mendozathejew]

yeah they had some problem with their distributor, and clearing it up now. dana white said that in some interview

[Cunt Tree]

yeah they had some problem with their distributor, and clearing it up now. dana white said that in some interview


Thanks, do you know the 'drop' date.

[Palerider4146]

We should get a mod to merge/close the thread with the MMA thread in sports. Although it's nice to get more MMA fans who didnt realize the thread was there.

[( . Y . )]

i hope lil jimmy gets interested in mma and starts taking bjj, he did say he's hitting the heavy bag.

Then maybe we can see a Jimmy vs. Bob kelly in a bjj match on air. although it might turn into a BJ match



nothing??

k fukit car crash

[zagman76]

i hope lil jimmy gets interested in mma and starts taking bjj, he did say he's hitting the heavy bag.

Then maybe we can see a Jimmy vs. Bob kelly in a bjj match on air. although it might turn into a BJ match



nothing??

k fukit car crash

Why is it that arguably one of the best screen-names on the board for the past year rarely contributes? I crack up every time I see you logged in! :clap:

[mendozathejew]

that kunt Lutter didnt make weight. pudgy bastard missed it by 2 pounds, was given an hour or two to try again, only lost half a pound.

so its not a title fight. does this affect the erock vs bill bet?

[urine sampler]

It dont matter hes gonna get ktfo anyway.Silvas an animal

[BullsLawDan]

good job asshole, way to get yourself taken out of your one title shot, now you'll get your ass kicked and everyone will forget your name...:clap: :clap:

[Bodizapha]

Three rounds rather then five..... weak shit.

Silva is gunna tap, Lutter's chin with his knee.

[grizzlyfester]

my fucking stupid PPV didn't work so I couldn't see the fights. I was pissed. anyway, all the results were as expected. Travis Lutter is a doooooosh for not making weight. IMHO Randy Couture is a fool for coming out of retirement to fight Sylvia. He has everything to lose and nothing to gain. Tim Sylvia is a giant monkey and although he is boring, he is very difficult to fight because of his height and reach. he is also very well trained. as boring as he is, I think Couture will have a hard time with him and there is no reason for Couture to make a fool of himself. If he loses, he will be a fool. I just can't wait to see CroCop punish Sylvia.

[wes mantooth]

Fuck Travis Lutter. That was his fight to win (most of it was on the ground) but because he didn't train properly he was gassed and lost the fight. How do you not make weight knowing the championship is on the line? There's no way a world class fighter should be 20lbs overweight 2 or 3 days before a fight. He should have been losing it gradually way before that.

On a more positive note that fight right after Silva/Lutter was fantastic. It's a wonder that kid's leg at the end of the fight wasn't broken. Great fight.

[jules]

yeah lutter has gotta be the dumbest ass ever.now as already said in this thread, nobody is gonna know who the fuck he is anymore, cause its gonna be a while before he gets a shot at anything,
and i also cant wait to see cro cop knock sylvia the fuck out.you gotta love a guy who is just all business in the cage.

[BullsLawDan]

and i also cant wait to see cro cop knock sylvia the fuck out.you gotta love a guy who is just all business in the cage.

I hear everyone saying that, but frankly I was not impressed. They traded shots for a while. Sanchez isn't a great heavyweight and in that fight both fighters looked average. If Sanchez had taken Crocop down instead of the other way around, this thread might have 50 pages of "OMG UPSET!!!" messages on it.

I just want to see CroCop lose because every fan in the MMA world is so gay for him they're ready to suck his cock. There's someone out there that can do it.

Incidentally, how high can that "left kick" Joe Rogan practically came in his pants over go? Sylvia is 6'8"....

[RMPGP]

we're gay over the russian, mirko isn't the guy we are gayest for.

[mendozathejew]

I hear everyone saying that, but frankly I was not impressed. They traded shots for a while. Sanchez isn't a great heavyweight and in that fight both fighters looked average. If Sanchez had taken Crocop down instead of the other way around, this thread might have 50 pages of "OMG UPSET!!!" messages on it.

I just want to see CroCop lose because every fan in the MMA world is so gay for him they're ready to suck his cock. There's someone out there that can do it.

Incidentally, how high can that "left kick" Joe Rogan practically came in his pants over go? Sylvia is 6'8"....
cro cop has the best sprawl in mma, so a takedown isnt happening.

you cant judge his performance against a guy who was running away and was of no threat. they were just going through the motions. check out cro cop vs barnett on youtube http://youtube.com/watch?v=JAEILOpre00

that kick can go almost 7 feet. hes knocked out someone 6'5 with ease.

[mendozathejew]

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4343/35878br5.jpg
thats what cro cop does to someone who shows up to fight....against a top 5 hw

[urine sampler]

my fucking stupid PPV didn't work so I couldn't see the fights. I was pissed. anyway, all the results were as expected. Travis Lutter is a doooooosh for not making weight. IMHO Randy Couture is a fool for coming out of retirement to fight Sylvia. He has everything to lose and nothing to gain. Tim Sylvia is a giant monkey and although he is boring, he is very difficult to fight because of his height and reach. he is also very well trained. as boring as he is, I think Couture will have a hard time with him and there is no reason for Couture to make a fool of himself. If he loses, he will be a fool. I just can't wait to see CroCop punish Sylvia.

Why do you say Randy has every thing to lose an nothing to gain? I think its the opposite If he wins hes the champ an if he loses who cares he has nothing to prove.He probly got offered a PRETTY PENNY to hold off Silvia for a while and let Cro cop have a couple of wins in yhe ufc before his title shot.
Anyway I think its gonna be tough Randy to do anything to someone that big and I feel the same about Cro cop

[jules]

I hear everyone saying that, but frankly I was not impressed. They traded shots for a while. Sanchez isn't a great heavyweight and in that fight both fighters looked average. If Sanchez had taken Crocop down instead of the other way around, this thread might have 50 pages of "OMG UPSET!!!" messages on it.

I just want to see CroCop lose because every fan in the MMA world is so gay for him they're ready to suck his cock. There's someone out there that can do it.

Incidentally, how high can that "left kick" Joe Rogan practically came in his pants over go? Sylvia is 6'8"....
sanchez ran from crocop the whole fight, and that is the ONLY reason he didnt knock him out in the first 30 seconds.
i respect your opinion, but imo sylvia will get ko'd against cro cop, and if you have seen any of his fights, crocop has ko'd guys from that foot hitting them on top of their heads.that should plant the foot right in his face.sylvia is a good fighter, but he is not anywhere the fighter crocop is.

sylvia just isnt in the same class as those heavyweight pride guys, and he will be exposed when he fights crocop.

[LetsDoThisLucas]

anyone have video of this fight?

[Ndugu]

I like this guy, after the fight he didn't gloat, he didn't jump on the fence, he just raised his hand walked back to his side.

[NightStalker3]

anyone have video of this fight?

X2. :icon_mrgr

[Ndugu]

It's all over youtube, just type crocop in the search and look at the latest videos.

[Po'sUke]

He totally alpha-maled Sanchez all over the ring.It looked like an adult beating a big child really.When Sanchez actually planted and threw punches Cro-Cop just looked annoyed.

It lacked the hilight reel finish but Cro-Cop did bring a different kind of aura to the octagon for sure.

[BullsLawDan]

So all you guys that hate the "wrestling guys" in UFC that "lay and pray" for the whole fight... Is it supposed to be more exciting watching two guys shuffle around the ring sideways?

[NightStalker3]

It's all over youtube, just type crocop in the search and look at the latest videos.

They are aleady being yanked. :icon_mad: any one grab it here?

[Po'sUke]

If you didn't enjoy the awesome scrambles and wrestling in the Edgar/Griffin fight they showed at the end just give up and go back to watching toughman.

MMA isn't for you.

[mendozathejew]

If you didn't enjoy the awesome scrambles and wrestling in the Edgar/Griffin fight they showed at the end just give up and go back to watching toughman.

MMA isn't for you.

exactly. theres way to much booing at ufc shows. I think ufc will cleanse themselves of that nonsense over time. drunken idiots who just want nonstop striking will flow out as fans of the nuances of the sport will grow

[Po'sUke]

It's crazy how huge the sport is getting now.I've been a fan since UFC 1 in 93 when most people thought it was a human cockfight.There's always an element who just want to see someone get fucked up, but hopefully fans will learn to appreciate tactical fights as well as the spectacular ko's.

One of the most dramatic fights ever was Royce/Sakuraba when they fought for 90 mins.That fight didn't have a lot of crazy action but was an incredible strategic war that culminated in The then Undefeated Gracie family throwing in the towel.

TTT for the greatest sport in the world.

[Etherfiend]

Eddie Sanchez: stepping stone

Mirko was just toying with that out of shape mexican. can't wait to see more cro cop...and ii cant beleive cro cop came out to the pride theme song


and can't wait for Quinton Rampage Jasckson VS. Chuck Liddell II

[sniper]

I was laughing how much Cro cop looked like Jason, just walking while chasing Sanchez around the ring, also it looked like the only research Sanchez did on Cro cop was to defend the right side of his head, there was a point in the fight he dropped his hands and he was like "oh shit" and put his right back up there.
Even though I wanted to see him land one of those devastating face plant kicks, I was still impressed by the sheer accuracy of his strikes. I'm looking forward to a more challenging opponent.

BTW if anyone finds the t-shirt he was wearing for his entrance, let me know.

[mendozathejew]

cro cop has a pretty good website, I havent looked at his merchandise though
http://www.mirko-crocop.com

[RobeSoup&Tears]

The other day I about half an hour checking out his YouTube clips.

[sniper]

The other day I about half an hour checking out his YouTube clips.

I did that after ufc 66 cuz I had never heard of him, he was the reason i bought 67.

[mendozathejew]

his last 2 fights in Pride show you cro cop at his most violent. vs josh barnett, and wanderlei silva. they both looked like they went through a windshield afterwards

[Answ3r]

i ordered the fight last and had a coujple of friends over and told them about him. Watching him just stalk Sanchez was great!!! Crocop is fucking brutal

[WOWmagnet]

So is this kind of fighting killing fake/gay wrestling? :action-sm

[wes mantooth]

If you didn't enjoy the awesome scrambles and wrestling in the Edgar/Griffin fight they showed at the end just give up and go back to watching toughman.

MMA isn't for you.

QFT. That was such a great fight. Never underestimate the undercards because there's almost always a great fight that comes out of them. I almost didn't order this one because the four main fights just seemed unbalanced (two TUF winners and two appetizers for Rampage and Cro Cop). I'm glad I did though.

[LetsDoThisLucas]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atDkEaFNGT8


Its supposed to be it but prolly wont be there long

[Sct Ptersns Twn]

I wuv me some Cro Cop. Never seen him fight. Now I wanna watch that animal all the time.

[jules]

exactly. theres way to much booing at ufc shows. I think ufc will cleanse themselves of that nonsense over time. drunken idiots who just want nonstop striking will flow out as fans of the nuances of the sport will grow
you hit that nail on the head perfect. i want to throw fire in the audience when the fuckin drunk assholes start that booing shit if someone isnt knocked out in the first thirty seconds.
i guess thats what you have to put up with when you are trying to market the sport to everyone.it just pisses you off to hear the asses in the crowd who know nothing of fighting of any sort, and strategies that you have to use to keep from getting your ass knocked out because you make one dumb mistake,or you are not totally focused.

[BullsLawDan]

There's always an element who just want to see someone get fucked up, but hopefully fans will learn to appreciate tactical fights as well as the spectacular ko's.

QFT. Nothing against anyone on this thread, but some of Cro-cop's biggest fans are people who just want the highlight reel clip of a guy's jaw getting spun all the way around his head...

I think that's where some of the criticism of certain UFC fighters comes in, especially Miletich fighters like Tim Sylvia. There is a difference between all-or-nothing strikers like Cro-cop and fighters who do whatever it takes to win and use their heads. I actually prefer the smart fighters. If you're way ahead on the score card and your opponent is desperate, the smart fighter plays it safe and pokes, controls, and keeps the desperate guy from landing a wild blow that ends the fight in one hit.

I like it better when MMA is fought as a chess match, not a gun duel. Seeing wild strikers swinging is fun, but the fight as some point becomes more based on luck.

[Boogotshot69]

This guy is an ass kicking machine. He is gonna put someone on a feeding tube one day. If Vince McMahon has any sense he will try and sign this guy to the WWE. He is money all the way. Even though pro wrestling is fake I would love to see this guy fuck up some of the guys in WWE.

[Fredo Corleone]

This guy is an ass kicking machine. He is gonna put someone on a feeding tube one day. If Vince McMahon has any sense he will try and sign this guy to the WWE. He is money all the way. Even though pro wrestling is fake I would love to see this guy fuck up some of the guys in WWE.

that would never happen - cro cop just made $350,000 for his first fight in the UFC, and probably a bonus for winning. why would he leave his home to put on shows 200+ nights a year, when he could probably make as much money fighting 4 times a year, with less risk of serious injury?

[mendozathejew]

mikro is one of the most popular fighters in Japan. big money is nothing new to him

[Fredo Corleone]

mikro is one of the most popular fighters in Japan. big money is nothing new to him

his own trainer said money was the reason he left pride for the ufc.

[mendozathejew]

cro cop will be on FSN fox sports in a few minutes

[Meaty Breasted Fan]

God Bless Randy Couture. True warrior and class act.

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

Hey, just figured I'd take advantage of the theme of the thread and whore myself out!

Go add my myspace and if you're in the NJ, DE, PA, NY area I'll be sending out bulletins when I fight.

I should be fighting again May 18 at the House of Blues in Atlantic City, but it's not for sure yet.

and the Cro Cop Vs Couture fight is going to be interesting.

[Ari Shaffir]

I saw Cro Cop at the gym a few months ago. It's kind of like seeing a hot TV chick in person, and she's either not nearly as hot, or waaaaay hotter in person. He's huge in person. He has no shoulders. His neck just goes out at an angle and meets his arms at some point.

[GlamSlam]

That's why he says, and it could be the case to a certain degree, but I think it was more because he knows he could never beat Fedor.

his own trainer said money was the reason he left pride for the ufc.

[blackriders]

That's why he says, and it could be the case to a certain degree, but I think it was more because he knows he could never beat Fedor.


I thought he left because after he won the OWGP he wanted to fight Fedor but that fight never happened. Fedor was going something else.


BTW Sherdog is reporting The Ferrita Brothers have bought out pride.


So I guess we will see Fedor vs Crocop again, but now in a cage.

[mendozathejew]

cro cop was injured and didnt want to fight fedor at shockwave. its not really either guys fault the fight didnt happen after the owgp

[Ol'BloodyBottom]

So sick. Proud to be white.

[mendozathejew]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=s4oJsSnmGkw

an interview with cro cop that seemingly goes horribly wrong. watch it all the way through its worth it

[BullsLawDan]

UFC 70:

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/tivodan1116/Nelson.jpg

Take that you cro-cop worshipping rubes.

[Tax Kuntz]

Cro Cop got bitch kicked!

[SaveToughCrowd]

Gonzaga is an animal. Couture was the only one giving him credit before this fight. That was a TOUGH loss for Cro Cop to take with such high expectations. Props to Gonzaga, great head kick.

[davemanic]

holy shit, cro cop got knocked the phuq out!

[mr. sin]

he got rocked!

[Papagolash]

holy shit, cro cop got knocked the phuq out!


Nice callback

[Captain_Spaulding]

Down goes CroCop! Cown goes CroCop!

Wow who saw that coming?

[danny666]

They keep pulling the clips from Youtube, but the complete fight is available here:


http://www.crocop.de/gonzaga.html

[Hobo_Cum]

either way, Fedor Emelianenko is the undisputed baddest mother fucker on the face of the earth...

just look here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I-6UVNpAXo and TRY to tell me anyone is even in the same class as this guy... and yes, that IS cro cop that he's kicking the shit out of (one of many)

[Cybouncer]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=s4oJsSnmGkw

an interview with cro cop that seemingly goes horribly wrong. watch it all the way through its worth it


That was fucking hysterical!


Lets all remember, our fellow Wackbager Rance, (Joe Lauzon) predicted that Gonzaga would win this fight.

Gonzaga dominated the entire first round before the kick. I was surprised when they were stood back up as Gonzaga still appeared to be working Cro Cop on the ground.

It will be real interesting to see how Cro Cop bounces back from this.

Not a good night for former Pride Fighters...

[Aizazzle]

They keep pulling the clips from Youtube, but the complete fight is available here:


http://www.crocop.de/gonzaga.html

Thankyou for posting that I missed it last night but now I see Mirko Cro Cop getting knock the fuck out...

[UCFGavin]

it was a humbling experience for him. i don't even think he thought gonzaga could get his leg up that high, let alone actually stand up with him.

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

it was a humbling experience for him. i don't even think he thought gonzaga could get his leg up that high, let alone actually stand up with him.
I don't know if he had any pre-existing thoughts to gonzaga's kicking ability...but he definitely postured himself to take that as a body kick...which is why he got very badly knocked out by it.

Surprising fight...I didn't think gonzaga would get killed....but I didn't think he'd win either.

[madbam]

That was amazing...everyone was hyping CroCop so much that it was such a shocker as to the outcome..but Damn what a fuckin kick...great fight.

[mendozathejew]

it was a humbling experience for him. i don't even think he thought gonzaga could get his leg up that high, let alone actually stand up with him.
yeah but hes been humbled before in the same brutal fashion. his arrogance gets the better of him from time to time ever since his k1 days. and gonzaga is more than good enough to make him pay for it

[Cybouncer]

yeah but hes been humbled before in the same brutal fashion. his arrogance gets the better of him from time to time ever since his k1 days. and gonzaga is more than good enough to make him pay for it


That was seen in the Randleman fight. A very similar senerio:action-sm

[NightStalker3]

Damn, that shit was funny as hell. RIP Mirko Hype.

[LetsDoThisLucas]

somebody got knocked the fuck ouuttttttttt

[mendozathejew]

That was seen in the Randleman fight. A very similar senerio:action-sm
and mcdonald in k1.

but as for "cro cop hype," please the guys' accomplishments already speak for themselves. his career didnt start the day jimmy and wackbag took notice of him. hes still a bad man, a top 5 HW in the world

[Captain_Spaulding]

Anyone know what the odds on Gonzaga were in Vegas?

[Cybouncer]

and mcdonald in k1.



Well played sir!:action-sm

I forgot about that one...



As you see a rise in UFC's popularity, you will see in increase in people who are jumping on just to say, "HE GOT KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT". That's all fine and good but unless you know what he's done in his fairly leangthy career, it's a little foolish.

I watched the fight again on the TIVO this afternoon and I agree with you that he didn't anticipate Gonzaga being able to get his leg up that high. He braced for the body kick and left the entire left side of his head wide open. If that kick didn't knock him out, I would have been surprised.

Any word on the leg? It may have looked worse than it actually was...

[DjcmSS]

Did anyone else cringe looking at Crocop's ankle as he's going down? How did that not snap? ughh.....

[gleet]

As you see a rise in UFC's popularity, you will see in increase in people who are jumping on just to say, "HE GOT KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT". That's all fine and good but unless you know what he's done in his fairly leangthy career, it's a little foolish.


On the other thread, I posted exactly that quote. It was purely a statement of fact. How was it foolish? The man got knocked the fuck out. I don't care if he is in politics and an antiterrorist; in that fight, he got knocked the fuck out.

[Captain_Spaulding]

On the other thread, I posted exactly that quote. It was purely a statement of fact. How was it foolish? The man got knocked the fuck out. I don't care if he is in politics and an antiterrorist; in that fight, he got knocked the fuck out.

:clap: Indeed sir, he did in fact get owned. His fans should be wondering why a relatively new fighter worked him out in the first round. Amazingly, given his "lengthy career" was never an instance during that fight where CroCop looked like he was in control or the aggressor. Credit where it is due Gonzaga, who I thought was going to get slaughtered, kicked the shit out of him. Was it a bad night? Will CroCop destroy him if they meet again? Maybe, but last night Gonzaga made him his Tasty Coma Wife.

[mendozathejew]

On the other thread, I posted exactly that quote. It was purely a statement of fact. How was it foolish? The man got knocked the fuck out. I don't care if he is in politics and an antiterrorist; in that fight, he got knocked the fuck out.
he was just responding to the idea that cro cop was all "hype" as one person described it, the idea that some might have thinking cro cop was just a young prospect who turned out to be a suspect, not knowing hes been the number 2 HW in the world for some time, who just won the open weight grand prix in pride.

if that doesnt apply to you then dont take any offense. the guys been knocked out cold before and bounced back, this isnt something new.

[UCFGavin]

Anyone know what the odds on Gonzaga were in Vegas?

it was about 5 to 1

not as high as the sanchez fight...but people still made some good money from it.

[Cybouncer]

he was just responding to the idea that cro cop was all "hype" as one person described it, the idea that some might have thinking cro cop was just a young prospect who turned out to be a suspect, not knowing hes been the number 2 HW in the world for some time, who just won the open weight grand prix in pride.

if that doesnt apply to you then dont take any offense. the guys been knocked out cold before and bounced back, this isnt something new.


Right on the money!:action-sm

[FartHammer]

once he gets into UFC and goes up against that joke of a heavyweight champion...bet the house
Great bet. He almost got his head kicked off his body saturday.

[mr. sin]

I like cro cop, just misread that kick.. I mean it wasnt that great of a kick, his hips werent in it and it didnt have much behind it just caught mirko..Which makes me wonder about his jaw in the future, I know the kick hit the temple but he does have a narrow jawline..typically I havent seen mirko suffer a kick before...

In any sort I think he didnt respect Gonzaga enough and thats what happens...he'll be back in a few months

I thought event was sort of boring but it did have good fights.. Arlovski's fight was boring but come on what do you expect the guy to do, he knows his groundgame isnt as good, he needed a win.. He played smart and in his favor.. The thing that bugs me is sure people pay to see a good fight, therefore when its boring they BOO!! But come on people... it's their career they have to play it smart.. I know UFC wants a good fight and they'd rather the fighters go in and lose but put on a good event but this is the fighters lively-hood.. Their goal is to make it to belt why go in and get in someones gaurd just to keep it interesting when you know they will submit you... I just think it's RUDE when people boo

Bisping is cocky, but he can fight... Makes me wonder bout his chin too, cause ya he took a knee square on but didnt look like it had much behind it... although ANY knees hurt!! lol

All in alll cant complain for free event

[styckx]

Wow, just watched that fight.. Plain and simple Cro Cop didn't respect him enough. He just stood there and took that kick like he didn't think it would actually reach or connect that hard. The kick itself was a average kick people use as a jab, by looking at it, he didn't throw that kick with the intent to knock him the fuck out, more of a jab type kick but it hit so square on the side of his head, it would knock out anyone.

Thats why I love the UFC, some people call it the amatuer version of Pride etc, but, no one, at any one time in the UFC can ease up a bit, theres no one that is "that much better then anyone else" to just coast with a title forever.

[ringofhonor88]

HAHA He got his ass ko at UFC 70 by Gabe Gonzaga. He's carrer is over.

[BullsLawDan]

Thats why I love the UFC, some people call it the amatuer version of Pride etc, but, no one, at any one time in the UFC can ease up a bit, theres no one that is "that much better then anyone else" to just coast with a title forever.

On the contrary, I say that Pride is the amateur version of UFC. That gay no-elbows rule in Pride makes it bush league because MMA is supposed to be an all out fight.

Gonzaga was smart because he knew that Cro-cop, being a big Pride guy, had never faced true Muay Thai before - and obviously with those elbows (not to mention the - ahem - shins) Gonzaga had been working on it. Cro-Cop layed there on the mat looking like he had never taken elbows to the face before... umm because he hadn't.



I'll say this: Look at other sports - Basketball, baseball, hell even pro wrestling - Japan is where you go when you can't make it in the USA.

[mendozathejew]

On the contrary, I say that Pride is the amateur version of UFC. That gay no-elbows rule in Pride makes it bush league because MMA is supposed to be an all out fight.

Gonzaga was smart because he knew that Cro-cop, being a big Pride guy, had never faced true Muay Thai before - and obviously with those elbows (not to mention the - ahem - shins) Gonzaga had been working on it. Cro-Cop layed there on the mat looking like he had never taken elbows to the face before... umm because he hadn't.

I'll say this: Look at other sports - Basketball, baseball, hell even pro wrestling - Japan is where you go when you can't make it in the USA.

elbows werent allowed in pride soley for the reason that cuts stop fights before its ready to go, before one guy was proven superior. you could argue knees to a downed opponet make ufc inferior just the same


both arguments are dogshit. and cro cop losing is not a pride vs ufc thing. the ufc heavyweight division is now better than prides imo, but you can not deny the prides hw division has been the big leagues for the past 3,4 years.

we can play this japan is the minor leagues game all day long. it goes both ways. chucky liddell couldnt even earn the right to fight the champ over there. that argument just doesnt carry in the world of mma.

[mendozathejew]

now UFC is the major league, after the yakuza scandal basically eliminated prides tv deal. but theres a reason dana white was thrilled to bring cro cop, big nog, and even years past his prime herring. theres a reason the guy during an interview pracically wet himself talking about kid yamamoto.

to act like cro cop has been fighting in the minors in Pride is embarrassingly incorrect.

[Cybouncer]

HAHA He got his ass ko at UFC 70 by Gabe Gonzaga. He's carrer is over.


Hey Gleet, this is kind of what I was referring to! :action-sm

[progambler]

As soon as Cro cop came out using entrance music from Duran Duran I knew he was fucked.

Gonzaga must have thought, what kind of faggot has Duran Duran as their entrance music.

[styckx]

As soon as Cro cop came out using entrance music from Duran Duran I knew he was fucked.

Gonzaga must have thought, what kind of faggot has Duran Duran as their entrance music.

Steve is producing UFC intros now?

[Larz]

On the contrary, I say that Pride is the amateur version of UFC. That gay no-elbows rule in Pride makes it bush league because MMA is supposed to be an all out fight.


Pride has stomps to a downed opponent, really what you're saying makes no sense. The reason why a lot of people don't like elbows is that the cuts end fights early. A KO or submission= a finished match where 1 fighter can no longer defend himself whereas a cut= doctor stoppage. Personally I don't have a preference in rule variations, stomps/soccer kicks to the head are just as devestating as elbows.

[Larz]

As soon as Cro cop came out using entrance music from Duran Duran I knew he was fucked.

Gonzaga must have thought, what kind of faggot has Duran Duran as their entrance music.

Heh yeah someone neglected to tell him that Duran Duran = gay in the U.S.

[gleet]

Hey Gleet, this is kind of what I was referring to! :action-sm

Oh, okay. Well, at least he spelled "He's carrer" right. :icon_roll

[Cybouncer]

Pride has stomps to a downed opponent, really what you're saying makes no sense. The reason why a lot of people don't like elbows is that the cuts end fights early. A KO or submission= a finished match where 1 fighter can no longer defend himself whereas a cut= doctor stoppage. Personally I don't have a preference in rule variations, stomps/soccer kicks to the head are just as devestating as elbows.


I'm torn because I really love using elbows but the argument against is a valid one. How many times have you seen a fighter with his head laid open to the white meat, still swinging for the fences? It happens all the time but due to the copious amounts of blood flowing, the fight is stopped.

There really is no clear cut (no pun intended) answer. I personally would like to see a little more leeway on the the knees, etc in the UFC but whatever, it's working the way it is now.

[Capt.Caveman]

Cro Cop is one of the best strikers in mma. he hits like a truck. he has a good chin he just got caught. that kick was picture perfect. ankle bone in the temple it doesn't get any better than that. everyone loses. he'll come back. it doesn't matter cause nogeria got signed by ufc and he is just ridiculous

[jules]

HAHA He got his ass ko at UFC 70 by Gabe Gonzaga. He's carrer is over.
enough with that crap-
as mendoza already said, hes been knocked out before. it happens. he bounced back pretty fuckin good imo when it happened before.
thats what happens in mma, and thats what makes it as great a sport as it is.ANYONE can get knocked the fuck out, and bounce back as a champion.
come on, look at serra and couture, and even cro cop himself.they all have gotten the fuck beat out of them, and came back. the guy made a big mistake, and got his ass handed to him for it.i can guarantee he wont make that mistake again, and that he will be back, and will win the belt.

[Capt.Caveman]

HAHA He got his ass ko at UFC 70 by Gabe Gonzaga. He's carrer is over.


your obviously not a fan of mma. everyone except fedor has been knocked out by a guy they should have beat. it happens. that's why no one is undefeated

[Larz]

I'm torn because I really love using elbows but the argument against is a valid one. How many times have you seen a fighter with his head laid open to the white meat, still swinging for the fences? It happens all the time but due to the copious amounts of blood flowing, the fight is stopped.

There really is no clear cut (no pun intended) answer. I personally would like to see a little more leeway on the the knees, etc in the UFC but whatever, it's working the way it is now.


At my MT gym we spar with elbow pads. I dunno how that would affect arm submissions in mma though.

[mendozathejew]

when Mirko was making his transition from k1 kickboxing to mma, he said it himself, "in mma, everyone goes down."

except for fedor....and as much as Im a fan of fedor, you have to believe his time will come as well. and not long after a bunch of newer fans will be screaming in angry typing guy voice "he was overrated," a myth that was "exposed." its ridiculous

[jules]

when Mirko was making his transition from k1 kickboxing to mma, he said it himself, "in mma, everyone goes down."

except for fedor....and as much as Im a fan of fedor, you have to believe his time will come as well. and not long after a bunch of newer fans will be screaming in angry typing guy voice "he was overrated," a myth that was "exposed." its ridiculous
:clap: :clap:
great point
and i agree 100% about fedor.

[Capt.Caveman]

Wow, just watched that fight.. Plain and simple Cro Cop didn't respect him enough. He just stood there and took that kick like he didn't think it would actually reach or connect that hard. The kick itself was a average kick people use as a jab, by looking at it, he didn't throw that kick with the intent to knock him the fuck out, more of a jab type kick but it hit so square on the side of his head, it would knock out anyone.

Thats why I love the UFC, some people call it the amatuer version of Pride etc, but, no one, at any one time in the UFC can ease up a bit, theres no one that is "that much better then anyone else" to just coast with a title forever.


that was a great high kick. no one uses head kicks as a jab. if you throw a head kick your looking for the ko leg kicks are often used like jabs. Cro Cop thought he was going to the body. you can tell how he dropped his hands to cover his ribs

[mendozathejew]

I think his comeback fight will be against sylvia and it will be a savage beating. cro cop is an animal after a loss

[Cybouncer]

At my MT gym we spar with elbow pads. I dunno how that would affect arm submissions in mma though.


That could work either way. You could be slipping out of something and the pads could be used to lock you in. Or, you could be locked into something but the pads could slip, which allow you to get out of a hold. Good for practice, but probably wouldn't work in competition.

Do you compete?

[progambler]

Heh yeah someone neglected to tell him that Duran Duran = gay in the U.S.

Maybe next time he dress like the Cop in the Village People and come out singing Macho Man.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/education/media/villagepeople.jpg

[Larz]

Do you compete?

I did with Judo for 12 years and wrestling from high school through college (division 3 meh). Only been doing MT for about 2 years cause its fucking expensive as hell in NY and i'm just now able to afford it. Getting hit is a whole different game though, so that would be a big NO.

I will say having hot chicks around to look at during down time is a +. Way better than dudes in singlets heh.

[Cybouncer]

I did with Judo for 12 years and wrestling from high school through college (division 3 meh). Only been doing MT for about 2 years cause its fucking expensive as hell in NY and i'm just now able to afford it. Getting hit is a whole different game though, so that would be a big NO.

I will say having hot chicks around to look at during down time is a +. Way better than dudes in singlets heh.


Yeah, I hear you. The gyms out here are looking for $130-$180/mo for MT. That gets expensive after a couple of months...

[JoeFromS.Jersey]

that was a great high kick. no one uses head kicks as a jab. if you throw a head kick your looking for the ko leg kicks are often used like jabs. Cro Cop thought he was going to the body. you can tell how he dropped his hands to cover his ribs
Which is exactly why you bring you're knee up, leave your elbows pinned to your sides, crunch in and leave your hands up to guard your head.

Now, that being said....

It's pretty much a universal reaction to drop your hands like that, so hey it happens...same thing happened to Hughes against GSP, thought he was going low/mid went high. It happens.

Oh, and by the way everyone saying it was a picture perfect kick...No it wasn't. He didn't get his hip turned over, and I'd be surprised if it didn't mess his ankle up some. Though arguably it's hard to throw a kick that high with good form. It was a good hard kick, not picture perfect.

[Palerider4146]

HAHA He got his ass ko at UFC 70 by Gabe Gonzaga. He's carrer is over.

This always aggravates me with so called "fans", especially ones who probably never stepped on a mat before. In MMA, anything can happen to anyone. This is why the sport is so great. Respect these fighters, because what they do for us fans is unbelievable.

BTW, does anyone else feel that this fight was a mirror image of Serra/GSP. The grappler must have worked his ass off training the stand up game and suprised the better striker with it. Anyone who thought that Serra could beat GSP figured it would be with a triangle or RNC, same with Gonzaga. I fucking love MMA.

Any thoughts of merging this thread into the Wackbag MMA thread in the sports section?

[N.Y. Johnny]

This always aggravates me with so called "fans", especially ones who probably never stepped on a mat before. In MMA, anything can happen to anyone. This is why the sport is so great. Respect these fighters, because what they do for us fans is unbelievable.

BTW, does anyone else feel that this fight was a mirror image of Serra/GSP. The grappler must have worked his ass off training the stand up game and suprised the better striker with it. Anyone who thought that Serra could beat GSP figured it would be with a triangle or RNC, same with Gonzaga. I fucking love MMA.

Any thoughts of merging this thread into the Wackbag MMA thread in the sports section?




YES. You are correct and the sport is so great For this reason that I bolded in your post. Alot of people were saying that night well Cro Cop will demolish the guy its a no brainer. See what happens? Its fucking great. What annoys me worse are the ones saying the match was fixed. :huh:

[Bluntz]

Hmmm, i am under the impression ALL or most of Cro Cops fights are fixed, but not what you are thinking, Fixed in the sense that they padd and sugar coat him with nobodies to get impressive victories over yet when it is time to fight the big boys he has never been able to show up.
Fedor is the man, Cro Cock aint worthy to lick his taint.

Facts are easy, Cock is overrated, he fights lesser opponents to look good. He hasnt beat anyone in top 5 of HW mma. Now they say Tim Syvlia? The gump of the ufc. Again he is a joke and was ousted by an old man. Cro should go to KOTC he can be king there.

[BullsLawDan]

once he gets into UFC and goes up against that joke of a heavyweight champion...bet the house
Mirko's a beast... PrideFC definitely has the better heavyweight division, but Cro Cop coming to the US does help alot...
cro cop has the best sprawl in mma, so a takedown isnt happening.
but as for "cro cop hype," please the guys' accomplishments already speak for themselves. his career didnt start the day jimmy and wackbag took notice of him. hes still a bad man, a top 5 HW in the world
he was just responding to the idea that cro cop was all "hype" as one person described it, the idea that some might have thinking cro cop was just a young prospect who turned out to be a suspect, not knowing hes been the number 2 HW in the world for some time, who just won the open weight grand prix in pride.

if that doesnt apply to you then dont take any offense. the guys been knocked out cold before and bounced back, this isnt something new.
I think his comeback fight will be against sylvia and it will be a savage beating. cro cop is an animal after a loss

So when do you guys admit you were all being silly geese?


Or, to put it another way...







MIRKO WHO????

:action-sm

[maz]

yeah
i think he's done
2 in a row
he's no longer invinceable
always a younger , badder guy coming up

[dodisman]

Mirko STINKS...2 duds in a row...not impressed at all...had no heart in that fight

[mendozathejew]

you can not honestly look at mirko from 2005, and look at him since and say its the same fighter, with the same physical speed and explosiveness.

I guess you can say it, but youd be blind or dishonest. Steroid use has to be a possibility. maybe after he peaked at the GP hes just lost his fire after the accomlishment.

but come on, lets be real, its not the same guy.

and bulls before you start on the UFC was always better shit, anderson silva and rampage got their asses kicked in japan. and now here are they? champs in the UFC. and theres a whole lot more at 185 and 205 that havent even come to the UFC yet.

that whole argument about who was better was a 2003- 2005 argument. and none of the fighters are the same, its probably pretty even but we wont ever know who was better in their prime in 03 or 04

[mendozathejew]

one of my friends just made a good point. there was footage of Cro Cop's recent training camp, I posted it in the mma thread. and the K1 kickboxers that he used to beat in kickboxing like Remy Bojansky were giving it to him in training.

showing just how far hes slipped, or how quickly hes aged. those body kicks he had tonight were a joke by his old standards

[BullsLawDan]

and bulls before you start on the UFC was always better shit, anderson silva and rampage got their asses kicked in japan. and now here are they? champs in the UFC. and theres a whole lot more at 185 and 205 that havent even come to the UFC yet.
So that wasn't Pride's 205 champion losing to the 205 champion from UFC tonight? I'm sorry, I thought that's how the fight was billed. Let me go look at the website again.

I mean you can keep making this argument if you want, but it seems to me that the constant stream of Pride guys coming to UFC has mostly resulted in their being turned into cannon fodder.


But I agree with you that cro cop looks different. Personally I think it's a combination of rules change and better competition.

[mendozathejew]

So that wasn't Pride's 205 champion losing to the 205 champion from UFC tonight? I'm sorry, I thought that's how the fight was billed. Let me go look at the website again.

I mean you can keep making this argument if you want, but it seems to me that the constant stream of Pride guys coming to UFC has mostly resulted in their being turned into cannon fodder..

you cant be serious. tonights fight at 205 was a former Pride fighter vs a Pride fighter. lol how awful is that for your argument. by the time a fight between the two orgs was finally possible, it was a former Pride fighter holding the UFC belt.

the whole argument about pride vs ufc was generally BS. especially the way it was argued. at the Top, top 5 in divisions, it was pretty even. Pride was just deeper cause it was a bigger org at the time, with more international fighters.

but the debate was of fighters in 02 to 05. rampage was a pride fighter during those years. he got his ass kicked in pride (and Im a huge fan always have been of his). he got beaten badly in pride several times.

so you cant have it both ways and argue CC comes ot UFC and loses cause UFC is better, but say that Rampage should be labelled a UFC fighter even though he was in pride for all those years, losing against the elite there but beating chuck twice

[mendozathejew]

So that wasn't Pride's 205 champion losing to the 205 champion from UFC tonight? I'm sorry, I thought that's how the fight was billed. Let me go look at the website again.

that argument is the insanity that was the PRIDE VS UFC debate, that still rages on. cause basically, arguments like yours boils down to which is a better corporation. Its like your rooting for CEO's not fighters. thats insane. and UFC was the much better run organization, that we all already know. Pride had the world at its fingertips and was a horribly run business, while UFC thrived and grew

the argument really was (or should have been) about the fighters, which fighters were best at that time, say 02 to 05. the fighters are what the debate was about. and anderson silva and rampage were fighters in japan, with very mixed results.

and now they are champs in the UFC. so if your gona take stand that CC couldnt cut it in the US, you have to take the flipside that rampage and anderson silva couldnt cut it in Japan but became champions here.

and both arguments are bullshit really, because the year is 2007, and those debates of old just arent relevant. these athletes dont operate in a vacuum, and time has gone by, people improve others regress and age. its a completely different world for the sport now, and doesnt translate to a debate about who was better in 2004

[Your_Moms_Box]

I think the very nature of the sport makes it hard for ANY fighter to be at teh top for any long period of time.

I think that the acquisition of Pride is good because it opens up the number of fighters we can see.

Then again, UFC is still giving Lidell a PPV, while forcing the 2 pride fighters to fight on Spike......


UFC is a little slow to adapt to the new fighters after one of their golden boys takes a bad loss.

Just look at how many times they hyped an overage, out of prime Ken Shamrock against Tito Ortiz, who is also no longer a contender for a title.

[jules]

imo- it stinks that cro cop has fallen off so much, cause i had high hopes for the guy in the ufc.

[BullsLawDan]

and both arguments are bullshit really, because the year is 2007, and those debates of old just arent relevant. these athletes dont operate in a vacuum, and time has gone by, people improve others regress and age. its a completely different world for the sport now, and doesnt translate to a debate about who was better in 2004

Well, I gotta give you that. Well put.

FWIW, I don't really care about the whole UFC vs. Pride thing, I just like screwing with you :icon_mrgr

And getting back on topic:

Cro Cop is teh sux0r.

[mendozathejew]

FWIW, I don't really care about the whole UFC vs. Pride thing, I just like screwing with you :icon_mrgr.

:Dfair enough sir