Who will be the first Toyota driver in the Nascar Nextel Cup Series to win?

[Bunny™]

Seven fulltime teams...
Who will be the first ricer in Victory Lane?

[CM Mark]

Dick Trickle

[tar_baby]

who?

[CM Mark]

who?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Trickle

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Maybe a top three finish sometime this season, but I don't really see them in the winning circle till they get the kinks out of the system.

[Ballbuster1]

Probably Vickers. He doesn't mind wrecking somebody if they get in his way.

[Chino Kapone]

mayfield, but mike massaro says that toyota still has a long way to go before the are truely competitive. i cant wait to see a race with the prototype cars. those actually look really cool....

[DonTheTrucker]

Camrys are made in Kentucky. On the other hand, Monte Carlos are made in Canada. The Fusion is made in Mexico. The Charger is made in Canada by a German owned company.

[Beeman99]

Probably Vickers. He doesn't mind wrecking somebody if they get in his way.

I agree, I can see Vickers being the first, but Jarret and even Blaney are good choices as well.

[Absolutely]

Does JAy-Z Race?

I'll vote fore A.J. Allmendinger just because I like saying his name.

[Bud8Weiser]

I'm going with Dale Jarrett. Waltrip has been in with Toyota since the ground floor of the Nascar racing program. All be it through his brother I'm sure he was in talks with them for some time. Jarrett has the talent I"m sure Waltrip is gonna put the best possible car under him since he will be guarenteed in every race.

[Salem]

Im not watching to first race of the year to boycott Jap shit in an american sport. It doesnt belong. Simple as that.

[Death Metal Moe]

I'll be holding my breath...

[Bunny™]

I'm picking Blaney just because he's come close before. He's driving a car that's won before, and he was a lot more competitive in 06 then any car from the Waltrip camp.
Jarrett is by far the best driver Toyota has, but I don't have the faith in Mikey's equipment that I do with Bill Davis Racing.

[DonTheTrucker]

Im not watching to first race of the year to boycott Jap shit in an american sport. It doesnt belong. Simple as that.

So you cheer for Mexican or Canadian shit instead? Please refer to my prior post.

Or better yet, stop watching auto racing. It will do you good.

[Sct Ptersns Twn]

Im not watching to first race of the year to boycott Jap shit in an american sport. It doesnt belong. Simple as that.


Hey dummy

Camrys are made in Kentucky. On the other hand, Monte Carlos are made in Canada. The Fusion is made in Mexico. The Charger is made in Canada by a German owned company, Or better yet, stop watching auto racing. It will do you good.

Yea, go flush your 25% made american car down the toilet. Nothing is American anymore except the all mighty DOLLAR.

[Ballbuster1]

Yea, go flush your 25% made american car down the toilet. Nothing is American anymore except the all mighty DOLLAR.
Nothing is totally Americian anymore. The Mercury Grand Marquis was actually
listed by the feds as a foreign car years ago due to the content and point
of manufacture of many of it's parts.
Toyota Motors of North America has been around for years.
Nissan & Honda build alot of cars here that are considered domestics too.
The outcry over Toyota is silly. Alot of people are just pissed that Toyota
is throwing alot of money at this to be competitive right out of the gate.

[Fruit Monkey]

Bill johnson!

[Deadhead]

I said Jarrett, but also think Vickers will do good also.

I think they(Toyota) will be competitive, But a win this year....

maybe late if at all.

[Bunny™]

I think they(Toyota) will be competitive, But a win this year....

maybe late if at all.



Just like Dodge in 2001. Throw a bunch of shit at the wall and see which one sticks...
I wouldn't be surprised to see a Toyota on the front row at the end of qualifying day.

[PCLoadLetter]

Alot of people are just pissed that Toyota is throwing alot of money at this to be competitive right out of the gate.
Of course, Toyota has been throwing hundreds of millions of dollars per year at their F1 program for a good while now and they are fucking NOWHERE in that series... Just having enough money is no guarantee of results.

Well, except in NASCAR, where anyone can make an antediluvian chassis (even the "car of the future" is a throwback to the 1970's), insert many dollars, and win. :action-sm I'll bet Toyota is an actual contender for the Cup this year, if not the outright winner. The only thing that could hurt them is a lack of absolute front-line drivers.

[Salem]

Camrys are made in Kentucky. On the other hand, Monte Carlos are made in Canada. The Fusion is made in Mexico. The Charger is made in Canada by a German owned company.


Made or assembled? Made gives the impression that the parts were "made" here in american cast shops with american steel by american employees. NONE of which apply to camry.

Originally Posted by DonTheTrucker
Camrys are made in Kentucky. On the other hand, Monte Carlos are made in Canada. The Fusion is made in Mexico. The Charger is made in Canada by a German owned company, Or better yet, stop watching auto racing. It will do you good.

Yes Im willing to pay Canadians to assemble my cars other than the Japanese. Ive always been one of those "buy American" people even though I do admit I end up on the short end the vast majority of the time. Good ol' NAFTA hard at work.

ANother reason Im worried about Toyota being in here is NASCAR is so eager to please the sponsers (and forget about the fans who spend big bucks with the sponsers and at the tracks) that they are willing to bend rules to keep people happy. I can see the rules being adjusted and Toyota taking a majority of races. If that happens NASCAR will lose a huge part of its fan base. Just when our sport was blooming. I remember about 5 years ago just before Pontiac dropped out Ford was losing alot of races due to areo dynamic issues with the Taurus' body lines. Who's fault was that? Ford's or GM's? Ford got the rules adjusted. I know win on sunday sell on monday doesnt apply anymore but keep it consistant. Yes im against restricter plate racing.


Why cant i get my gamer card to show up in sig pic anyways?

[PCLoadLetter]

Made or assembled? Made gives the impression that the parts were "made" here in american cast shops with american steel by american employees. NONE of which apply to camry.
I'm sure you'd like to THINK that, but the Camry is assembled in the USA by American workers using 80% domestically-produced parts.

Yes Im willing to pay Canadians to assemble my cars other than the Japanese. Ive always been one of those "buy American" people even though I do admit I end up on the short end the vast majority of the time. Good ol' NAFTA hard at work.
Can't help but notice that you are willing to pay Canadians to assemble your cars, but you don't mention whether or not you're willing to pay Mexicans to assemble your cars... Considering your point above was in response to DontheTrucker saying that the "American" car companies assemble cars in Mexico and Canada.
ANother reason Im worried about Toyota being in here is NASCAR is so eager to please the sponsers (and forget about the fans who spend big bucks with the sponsers and at the tracks) that they are willing to bend rules to keep people happy. I can see the rules being adjusted and Toyota taking a majority of races. If that happens NASCAR will lose a huge part of its fan base. Just when our sport was blooming.
Why would NASCAR bending the rules to suit Toyota be somehow worse than NASCAR bending the rules to suit Ford?

And "just as the sport was blooming"? Bullshit. The sport has been "blooming" for over fifteen years, it didn't just happen recently and it isn't so fragile a "bloom" that Toyota entering the fray will make it wilt. Yes, there is a certain contingent of "fans" who will tune out if Toyota is doing well... But there will always be others to take their place. Also, if you think that all NASCAR fans are "buy American and nothing else"-types, you haven't seen the parking lot at a NASCAR race.

Riddle me this, Salem. Did the Craftsman Truck series die when Toyota came along?

[Sutsu]

PC: You make good arguments, but please, stop using terms I have to use Google to understand.

Anyhoo, I say Jarrett. Vickers got lucky once by being an ass, and I don't think people are going to trust him near the front. Blaney may get it done, but with a new manufacturer it's iffy.

[PCLoadLetter]

PC: You make good arguments, but please, stop using terms I have to use Google to understand.
I barely know how to respond to this. :)

[Ballbuster1]

I'm a die-hard Nascar fan and I drive a Benz. My wife has a Hyundai
and one of my sons drives a Nissan.
The world has changed and cars are built all over the world now.
I don't see Toyota being in Nascar as a big deal.
They build alot of their cars here now and alot of "US" cars aren't
built in the US anymore.
Good luck to them.

[Salem]

I'm sure you'd like to THINK that, but the Camry is assembled in the USA by American workers using 80% domestically-produced parts.


Can't help but notice that you are willing to pay Canadians to assemble your cars, but you don't mention whether or not you're willing to pay Mexicans to assemble your cars... Considering your point above was in response to DontheTrucker saying that the "American" car companies assemble cars in Mexico and Canada.

Why would NASCAR bending the rules to suit Toyota be somehow worse than NASCAR bending the rules to suit Ford?

And "just as the sport was blooming"? Bullshit. The sport has been "blooming" for over fifteen years, it didn't just happen recently and it isn't so fragile a "bloom" that Toyota entering the fray will make it wilt. Yes, there is a certain contingent of "fans" who will tune out if Toyota is doing well... But there will always be others to take their place. Also, if you think that all NASCAR fans are "buy American and nothing else"-types, you haven't seen the parking lot at a NASCAR race.

Riddle me this, Salem. Did the Craftsman Truck series die when Toyota came along?


The blooming refernce was easy shown by stations that 90% of the country recieves as a part of basic cable now. Up until about 2 or 3 years ago 1/2 the races where on F/X which in alot of places was a pay service or just not available. Now that it (NASCAR) finds itself on the front page of sports sections (occasionally) is a great thing and shows signs of becoming mainstream american sports. Thus blooming.

Im not a fan to mexicans taking american jobs (I lost one and that job that moved to Mexico pretty much crippled a small town) so Ill admit Im biased there.
Die? Death is the result of somthin that was living in the first place. Its almost as alive as Busch series (AKA The Nextel Cup practice race before the real race that prevents young guys from moving up in the ranks race), that no1 gives a shit about. Riddle me that.

[PCLoadLetter]

Now that it (NASCAR) finds itself on the front page of sports sections (occasionally) is a great thing and shows signs of becoming mainstream american sports. Thus blooming.
I don't know what newspaper YOU read, but I can't get AWAY from NASCAR coverage. In season, it's seemingly at the top of every newspaper page, every sports broadcast on TV, etc. The blooming happened years ago, my friend. "Signs of becoming mainstream"? Are serious?? It's one of the most-watched spectator sports in the country. :icon_eek: That's live and on TV, too. You sound like you cut-and-pasted this from a post you made in 1993 or something.
Die? Death is the result of somthin that was living in the first place. Its almost as alive as Busch series (AKA The Nextel Cup practice race before the real race that prevents young guys from moving up in the ranks race), that no1 gives a shit about. Riddle me that.
Got it. You don't care about it, so noone else does, either.

Only... "Real" fans of NASCAR DO care about the feeder series, as that's where most of the talent for The Big Show comes from, at least when Cup stars aren't keeping them out of the race :clap: . Riddle away, Salem. The people I know who are passionate about "stock car racing" (hee hee hee) care quite a bit about what happens in the lower ranks.

[Salem]

I don't know what newspaper YOU read, but I can't get AWAY from NASCAR coverage. In season, it's seemingly at the top of every newspaper page, every sports broadcast on TV, etc. The blooming happened years ago, my friend. "Signs of becoming mainstream"? Are serious?? It's one of the most-watched spectator sports in the country. :icon_eek: That's live and on TV, too. You sound like you cut-and-pasted this from a post you made in 1993 or something.

Got it. You don't care about it, so noone else does, either.

Only... "Real" fans of NASCAR DO care about the feeder series, as that's where most of the talent for The Big Show comes from, at least when Cup stars aren't keeping them out of the race :clap: . Riddle away, Salem. The people I know who are passionate about "stock car racing" (hee hee hee) care quite a bit about what happens in the lower ranks.


Let me post it again because you obviously missed the point.
"AKA The Nextel Cup practice race before the real race that prevents young guys from moving up in the ranks race)" So we obviously agree that if the redsox sent curt shilling manny and ortiz down to AAA every day they had off it would hamper the growth of the future of the sport correct? So why its allowed in NASCAR I dont understand and hopefully they will realize this and fix it. it should have some kinda NEXTEL points barrier. If you finish this many points or above last ear you cant come into Busch until 1/2 way through the season at which point if you have X number of points you still arent allowed in.

CAring about lower ranks is great. But only the lower %15 of any sports care about the bottom of the ranks Trucks = Baseball AA. And the majority of people could give a shit about the AA team. AAA = Busch. Yes people do care about Busch. Not open wheel midgets. Sorry. Not gonna get me to believe that crap.

[PCLoadLetter]

We seem to have gotten pretty far afield from your original point... My prediction is that Toyota in NASCAR will not detract from the sport at all, and viewership will increase. That's not to say that a contingent of fans won't rebel because "those damned Japs are ruining the sport", but they will be replaced by people who want Toyota to do well.

The irony here, to me at least, is that the only difference between any of the cars is the skin you can see and the engine that you can't... How is a "Toyota", which is nothing more than an American-made silhouette of an American-made car with an American-designed, American-made chassis and an American-designed, mostly American-made (but Toyota-branded) racing engine, a bad thing for the sport? It's not like NASCAR engine shops are being shut down and all their workforce being replaced by a swarm of Japanese toiling away in an engine shop in Japan.

[tattered]

Dick Trickle

anyway related to this man?

http://www.jalopnik.com/images/2006/06/FilmoDaysOfThunder_L3Rex.jpg

[Salem]

anyway related to this man?

http://www.jalopnik.com/images/2006/06/FilmoDaysOfThunder_L3Rex.jpg



Haha never even thought of that. Good stuff!