N. Pelosi = Death of United States

[Schmed]

Rep. Jefferson Gets Seat on Homeland Security

Rep. William Jefferson (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/j000070/), the Louisiana Democrat who's facing an ongoing federal corruption probe (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2006/06/02/LI2006060201184.html), is being granted a spot on the Homeland Security Committee (http://homeland.house.gov/), according to Democratic aides.
The appointment will be announced Friday, according to one aide who requested anonymity because the decision isn't yet official.
Jefferson was removed from his seat on the Ways and Means Committee, one of the most important panels in Congress, by Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) last summer in an attempt to show how seriously Democrats viewed the allegations of corruption.
But the move by Pelosi, who was still minority leader at the time, infuriated members of the Congressional Black Caucus, who said Jefferson shouldn't be punished unless he is indicted; federal prosecutors have yet to bring an indictment, despite an FBI raid 18 months ago on his home that yielded $90,000 in cash in his freezer (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/22/AR2006052201536.html).
Other lawmakers were angling for the seat on Homeland Security, which was the last slot available on the panel, according to another Democratic aide.
The committee oversees the Homeland Security Department and its web of agencies designed to protect against terrorism on U.S. soil.
The committee has oversight of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, which was widely panned for its response to Hurricane Katrina in Jefferson's hometown of New Orleans.
As a member of the committee, Jefferson will not have direct oversight of the FBI or the Justice Department.
A former Jefferson aide has already pleaded guilty to corruption in the ongoing investigation, as has a businessman who alleged in his plea agreement that he bribed Jefferson in order to win contracts with African nations.
When most committee assignments were given out two months ago, Jefferson was assigned a spot on the Small Business Committee, generally considered one of the least sought after panels.

[Buster H]

i wont go as far as saying that she will be the death of the united states. That is giving her waaay too much credit. I'm pretty conservative, but I am all for giving these leftists a shot. If they do well, then the country wins. If they dont, we get another republican president. I only hope that we get one that I like.

[YourAmishDaddy]

And you're the same guy who posted Obama was part of a splinter cell.

OK.

[Glenn Dandy]

Im confused Pelosi took a corupt guy out of office? right? Whasts so bad bout that. am i not reading this correctly

[Buster H]

Im confused Pelosi took a corupt guy out of office? right? Whasts so bad bout that. am i not reading this correctly

Took him off the Ways and Means committee
Put him on Homeland Security.....

[Glenn Dandy]

ohhhh, I didnt get that and i read it twice..lol thanks BH.

got it now only had to read it three times.. Im not a good script person, im more of a picture person.:action-sm
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Now I understand.

[Vyce]

God I hate this cunt.

Liberals sure know how to pick 'em. I never thought they'd find a Dem congresswoman who I could despise more than Hillary, but somehow, they managed.

[Buster H]

God I hate this cunt.

Liberals sure know how to pick 'em. I never thought they'd find a Dem congresswoman who I could despise more than Hillary, but somehow, they managed.

I love when she is Hannity. Always good for a laugh

[abudabit]

So giving a corrupt politician a job = death of The United States? Damn, we must be pussies.

[Buster H]

So giving a corrupt politician a job = death of The United States? Damn, we must be pussies.
my thoughts exactly

[Schmed]

God I hate this cunt.

Liberals sure know how to pick 'em. I never thought they'd find a Dem congresswoman who I could despise more than Hillary, but somehow, they managed.

Diane Feinstein of San Fransicko fits the bill. Google that twat.

[abudabit]

Feinstein ain't bad, Boxer is the bad one.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

got it now only had to read it three times.. Im not a good script person, im more of a picture person.:action-sm
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I MADE IT THROUGH!!!!

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[Schmed]

Feinstein ain't bad, Boxer is the bad one.

Oh Yes, Babs, forgot about her.

[ChimneyFish]

So giving a corrupt politician a job = death of The United States? Damn, we must be pussies.


If that were the case, wouldn't this country have been done a long time ago????:rolleyes:

[DanaReevesLungs]

It's like high ass gas prices...as a majority we've come to accept corruption in politics. Plus, the guy's on a committee so his vote alone won't decide shit. He has to have the majority agreeing with him. Also, being from Louisiana I know why this guy continually gets elected. His district is 90% black, but NOT anymore. Expect him out whether the probe finds him guilty or not.

[bethm1b]

The entire government sucks. Naming names is bullshit. they're all corrupt as shit and should get cancer of the ass and live in excruciating pain till a ripe old age. Akso, their kids should go blind and bleed from the pores. All their friends who get the contracts and power positions should live to watch their loved ones rap@d by ******* and killed. All that and a side of AIDS.

[YourAmishDaddy]

Amazing to me. Giving this douchebag a committee job is the end of it all? But no one is upset that there's a damned Homeland Security department to oversee in the first place. That does nothing, it's a bloated bureacracy that sucks up billions of dollars and does absolutely nothing but intrude on peoples lives.

Priorities are fucked up in this country. It's not even worth it trying to save this place anymore.

[Cunt Smasher]

I MADE IT THROUGH!!!!

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You fucking rooooont it,you twat!I was THAT close!

[Jimmy's Dignity]

The entire government sucks. Naming names is bullshit. they're all corrupt as shit and should get cancer of the ass and live in excruciating pain till a ripe old age.
I'm up for giving them cancer...but not the ripe old age. WE pay their medical coverage


You fucking rooooont it,you twat!I was THAT close!
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[PCLoadLetter]

no one is upset that there's a damned Homeland Security department to oversee in the first place. That does nothing, it's a bloated bureacracy that sucks up billions of dollars and does absolutely nothing but intrude on peoples lives.
Does "absolutely nothing", huh?
Hahahahahahahahahaha..... That's terrific! That's terrific....

[BIV]

Amazing to me. Giving this douchebag a committee job is the end of it all? But no one is upset that there's a damned Homeland Security department to oversee in the first place. That does nothing, it's a bloated bureacracy that sucks up billions of dollars and does absolutely nothing but intrude on peoples lives.

Priorities are fucked up in this country. It's not even worth it trying to save this place anymore.
You do realize that the Homeland Security Department merely took exsisting agencies and incorporated them under the same umbrella in order to faciltate better communication, cooperation and response, right?

[YourAmishDaddy]

You do realize that the Homeland Security Department merely took exsisting agencies and incorporated them under the same umbrella in order to faciltate better communication, cooperation and response, right?

Six hundred billion dollars in the making. What have they accomplished?

Damn, you people who claim to be conservatives. So fucking fake. There's not one ounce of big government, big spending, big bloated bureacracy, big debt and big intrusion of government you're against now. You people can justify anything.

You can even justify Homeland fucking Security. Something created by Bill Clinton. Yes, Bill Clinton. Wow.

[abudabit]

Will Nancy Pelosi mean the end of all human life? Tune in at 11 to find out how this could affect your children.

[YourAmishDaddy]

Amazing stuff. I'm glad I bought that place in Switzerland.

[MJMANDALAY]

Its was only 90g's
Wasn't like it was a 100g's or something

[YourAmishDaddy]

Does "absolutely nothing", huh?

By the way you're absolutely right. They created that stupid fucking color chart. And in case of chemical weapons going off we need duct tape and plastic.

And who can forget they shakedown toy store managers for selling knock off Rubicks Cubes. Yes, Homeland Security = copyright enforcers.

I forgot those valuable contributions. Well worth 600 billion dollars.

Go get your fucking shinebox.

[PCLoadLetter]

I forgot those valuable contributions. Well worth 600 billion dollars.
And the US Air Force bought $600 toilet seats.

I see your well-reasoned argument now. If you use well-publicized stupid actions or expenditures and apply them to an entire government agency, you can thusly conclude that said agency has "done absolutely nothing". So the US Air Force has done absolutely nothing, too.

Good work. Failed logic class in high school, did ya?

[YourAmishDaddy]

And the US Air Force bought $600 toilet seats.

I see your well-reasoned argument now. If you use well-publicized stupid actions or expenditures and apply them to an entire government agency, you can thusly conclude that said agency has "done absolutely nothing". So the US Air Force has done absolutely nothing, too.

Good work. Failed logic class in high school, did ya?

As I said. Where is the accomplishment? I know you republican types have sold out on everything else. Now failing is accomplishment? Or is it all about intentions? Or feeeeelings?

We can run the numbers because I remember a day where republicans used to be against whole departments in government wasting billions of dollars. And yes, the 600 dollar toilet seat. There was a time republicans were against that stuff too. The Military Industrial Complex. That back then true conservatives like Eisenhower, or Goldwater warned against big government and their largess. Today you love it.

So I'll use the logic. When we pay 600 billion dollars plus for something, what are the results? I know, results mean nothing. Actual performance means nothing. Justification for nothing is the name of the game.

This is why I really don't care about "liberals" much. Can anyone tell the difference? The GOP are the fucking "liberals" they bitch about so much.

[PCLoadLetter]

As I said. Where is the accomplishment? I know you republican types have sold out on everything else. Now failing is accomplishment? Or is it all about intentions? Or feeeeelings?
At least I know that I don't need to read your post any further.

I didn't even respond to the OP's inflammatory allegation or the article it presented, just YOUR fantastically fallacious "they don't do anything" comment. Try to keep your head, Daddy, we'll get through this... I know, I know, it must be tough for you to function with the entire government out to get you, but try.

[YourAmishDaddy]

List me some accomplishments. Seems simple enough a task to do. Have at it. Other than that you can dance around it, call me names, make fun of me, do all that witty stuff you folks here do.

It's actually countering that you can't do. You know deep in your mind you can't justify it. So you'll become emotional and erratic and try to joke your way out of it. It's ok. I understand. The modern republican offers nothing, just sputtering promises and rhetorical vacuous garbage.

It's so old now.

[DonTheTrucker]

I was wrong about you Amish, if you like Goldwater you're can't be that bad. Both sides are horrible now, but one side is slightly less horrible. So I guess the difference is that I will take what little bit of progress against socialism I can get.

[YourAmishDaddy]

I was wrong about you Amish, if you like Goldwater you're can't be that bad. Both sides are horrible now, but one side is slightly less horrible. So I guess the difference is that I will take what little bit of progress against socialism I can get.

Much appreciated my friend. I dunno I've just been through all the paces. And I'm so tired of settling.

I just believe a little evil leads to a lot more evil down the road. None of these politicians are going to do what's right. It's up to us. Look at how many people view terrorism. Allow a little terrorism to go unchecked and it gets exponentially worse. I see the two party system the same way.

You know the drill.

And yes, Goldwater is one of my major heroes. Goldwater and Eisenhower.

[PCLoadLetter]

you can dance around it, call me names, make fun of me, do all that witty stuff you folks here do.
Fer sher, you've never engaged in any of this behavior yourself, right? Your glass house is the same as anyone else's here.
It's actually countering that you can't do.
There's a big difference between "can't do" and "don't feel like doing"... I came here for dick jokes and to poke fun of Coast-to-Coast AM fans like yourself, not engage in serious debate. Well, MOST of the time at least. I'm not passionate enough about this to go back and forth with you on it... which any thinking person can see as a lack of desire to argue pointlessly with a conspiracy theorist, not a lack of any evidence to support my point.
It's so old now.
You've got THAT right. Your schtick is as old as politics itself, and if you're truthful with yourself, you recognize your constant barking about the awful Republicans is your only true point. You don't even seem to know who to blame for DHS, Bill or George. Make up your mind.

While you're at it, come up with some new material, this hack stuff has been covered over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

[YourAmishDaddy]

Fer sher, you've never engaged in any of this behavior yourself, right? Your glass house is the same as anyone else's here.

There's a big difference between "can't do" and "don't feel like doing"... I came here for dick jokes and to poke fun of Coast-to-Coast AM fans like yourself, not engage in serious debate. Well, MOST of the time at least. I'm not passionate enough about this to go back and forth with you on it... which any thinking person can see as a lack of desire to argue pointlessly with a conspiracy theorist, not a lack of any evidence to support my point.

You've got THAT right. Your schtick is as old as politics itself, and if you're truthful with yourself, you recognize your constant barking about the awful Republicans is your only true point. You don't even seem to know who to blame for DHS, Bill or George. Make up your mind.

While you're at it, come up with some new material, this hack stuff has been covered over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Still no accomplishments. It's ok.

I know, anyone who doesn't conform to your limited ability, or knowledge is a conspiracy theorist, or a nutjob.

Common sense today is seen as radical. It's shocking to believe in smaller government. It's radical to actually be for something like eliminating waste and fraud, and layers of bureacracy. It's nutty and wacky and hacky to be for accountability in government. To expect a job to be well done because I pay high taxes. Everyone else pays high taxes and it's insane to expect results that coorespond with that high cost.

I'm insane and "out there" to actually expect government to operate within the confines of the Constitution. To adhere to the law, to respect the rights and liberty of each and every individual.

So fine. I'll be as levelheaded and rational, and I'll not engage in this behavior you speak of in this entire post.

My "schtick" is nothing more than what I learned being part of the GOP. As a "young and up and coming conservative" who attended two conventions, and hung out with many of the politicians I rail against today. Until I started asking questions, and thought for myself.

It's not an act though. It's just experience. And I know it seems radical. To think for myself.

[PCLoadLetter]

I know, anyone who doesn't conform to your limited ability
What was that before, that it's the OTHER people on wackbag who engage in name-calling, making fun, and other witty behavior?

Yes, you are a nut-job, a conspiracy theorist, and now we can definitively add blithering hypocrite to your job description.

I'll try AGAIN to put this in words that someone of YOUR "limited ability" can hopefully understand... Don't confuse my lack of desire to argue with you with a lack of HAVING an argument. As pointless internet arguments go, arguing with YOU would be a particularly egregious waste of time. All you ever see from you is how the government (and specifically the Repubs) are horrible, never do/does anything right (EVER!), is eating all our money with "absolutely nothing" to show for it, etc. I know your type, and so does anyone else who reads your posts... Holler, holler, holler, holler, holler. And when you're done, holler some more. Anyone who counters you, even in a joking manner, is a Republican shill. Classic.

I get it. We get it. And we just don't care, really, for what you have to say. It is occasionally entertaining, but not to be taken seriously. If you weren't a one-trick pony I might actually spend time on you.

Now back to more important things, something else I really don't care for, this
"stock car race" on the television. Blast away, darling, I'm through with you, at least as far as THIS thread goes. See you again in another one.

[YourAmishDaddy]

All you ever see from you is how the government (and specifically the Repubs) are horrible, never do/does anything right (EVER!), is eating all our money with "absolutely nothing" to show for it, etc.

I asked you to show me something they did right. You failed. So I accept the tap out.

[Vyce]

Amazing to me. Giving this douchebag a committee job is the end of it all? But no one is upset that there's a damned Homeland Security department to oversee in the first place. That does nothing, it's a bloated bureacracy that sucks up billions of dollars and does absolutely nothing but intrude on peoples lives.

Priorities are fucked up in this country. It's not even worth it trying to save this place anymore.

So you see nothing wrong with Jefferson getting this position.

Your entire Homeland Security rant is a separate argument. You not liking what you feel is an unnecessary and overly bureaucratic department is a completely separate issue than someone we know is inherently corrupt having access to national security information, some of it classified, for example. You could say that none of our representatives are entirely trustworthy, which would likely be true, but in this case we KNOW this one is rotten to the core.

And there's also the other, not unimportant issue, that Nancy and the rest of the Dems won a few months back partly on a platform of ending corruption in Congress, which they somehow managed to paint as a completely Republican issue. So what have we had in the few short months since then? Her attempt to thrust Murtha, a man known to have serious ethical problems, into a position of power; Alcee Hastings nearly chair of a committee; and now Jefferson on Homeland Security.

It's bullshit. If you want to get away with all of this shady shit, don't run a campaign on ending corruption, when you have absolutely no intent on doing that.

But whatever, rant about big government some more if that's what you want.

[YourAmishDaddy]

So you see nothing wrong with Jefferson getting this position.

I'm totally against it. The guy's a scumbag. I think that fact has been established.

So now that I've admitted I don't support the guy, let's all get in a circle and open a box of Ritz.

[Cunt Smasher]

Homeland Security,as a bureacracy,by definition is a bloated govt. pig,having to justify it's budget every year,but on the other hand,kinda like NSA,they don't really brag too much about what they do.Pretty calm here since 9/11,does that count as something?

[DonTheTrucker]

I see the two party system the same way.


The problem isn't in the two party system. It's the people running the parties. When the true conservatives take back the Republican party like the far left has taken over the Democrat party, we'll be fine. Right now the people in charge of the Republican party are more concerned with social issues like gay marriage, instead of important things like border control and spending discipline.

I think the difference in opinion we have is mainly that I think that the people will eventually get sick of things and take the party back. I guess I'm just a little more optimistic.

Until that day, I'll go with the lesser of two evils to minimize damage.

[YourAmishDaddy]

Well since the first attack on the WTC under Clinton til that rat bastard left office we weren't attacked here either. No one did anything.

My only point is that the reason shit was so bad that a 9-11 happened is because of the bureacracy. That the government response was lacking. Because there are too many layers and channels and pencil pushers and suits. No one can coordinate because there's too many people involved. We were led to believe there was this massive wall between CIA and FBI and this would "streamline" things.

The wall is called the CIA can't operate on US soil. It's always been that way.

Then they go adding another layer of government. Didn't that strike anyone as odd? And all we've gotten out of them was what, that stupid color chart and duct tape.

And when I talk about results I'm simply saying I want my money's worth. Is that too much to ask for? One can say "Well we weren't attacked by terrorists since" Well for over 200 years prior we weren't either. What was the difference?

[YourAmishDaddy]

The problem isn't in the two party system. It's the people running the parties. When the true conservatives take back the Republican party like the far left has taken over the Democrat party, we'll be fine. Right now the people in charge of the Republican party are more concerned with social issues like gay marriage, instead of important things like border control and spending discipline.

The problem is the system is not as it looks to be. There are no two parties. There are two faces on the same criminal gang.

You can take the Genovese family, and put them up against the Gambino family, and people can argue the finer points of each one but the fact remains they're still both criminals. They're still both the mob.

We all pick a home team and overlook everything bad they do as long as they win in the end. No matter what they've done wrong, how many rules broken, what damage is done. I'm just done with it.

I can't go picking Evil Number 2 because Evil Number 1 has slightly bigger teeth. It's all evil. Why is it so difficult to pick something good?

It's like saying I'll take heart disease over cancer, I still lose.

[Max Johnson]

Are you aware of my committee?

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[Jimmy's Dignity]

...let's all get in a circle and open a box of Ritz.I didn't have any Ritz, how about some Stone crackers?

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....You can take the Genovese family, and put them up against the Gambino family, and people can argue the finer points of each one but the fact remains they're still both criminals. They're still both the mob....
ahhh....finally a good description of politics :icon_mrgr

[Schmed]

I was wrong about you Amish, if you like Goldwater you're can't be that bad. Both sides are horrible now, but one side is slightly less horrible. So I guess the difference is that I will take what little bit of progress against socialism I can get.

AuH2O :clap: