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PCLoadLetter
02-20-2007, 05:32 PM
Good. People suing cigarette companies for their own (or their beloveds own) inability to determine that cigarettes are harmful has always pissed me off.... C'mon, no matter how badly the companies behaved in hiding the harmful effects of smoking, didn't the fact that you couldn't walk a flight of stairs without being winded, or waking up every morning wheezing and phlegmy, give you a hint that maybe, just maybe, inhaling smoke on a regular basis might be bad for you?
Court Tosses Award Against Philip Morris
By MARK SHERMAN
AP
WASHINGTON (Feb. 20) - The Supreme Court threw out a $79.5 million punitive damages award to a smoker's widow Tuesday, a boon to businesses seeking stricter limits on big-dollar jury verdicts.

The 5-4 ruling was a victory for Altria Group Inc.'s Philip Morris USA, which contested an Oregon Supreme Court decision upholding the verdict.

In the majority opinion written by Justice Stephen Breyer, the court said the verdict could not stand because the jury in the case was not instructed that it could punish Philip Morris only for the harm done to the plaintiff, not to other smokers whose cases were not before it.

States must "provide assurances that juries are not asking the wrong question ... seeking, not simply to determine reprehensibility, but also to punish for harm caused strangers," Breyer said.

The decision did not address whether the size of the award was constitutionally excessive, as Philip Morris had asked.

Punitive damages are money intended to punish a defendant for its behavior and to deter repetition.

Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy and David Souter, joined with Breyer.

Dissenting were Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Antonin Scalia, John Paul Stevens and Clarence Thomas.

Mayola Williams sued Philip Morris for fraud on behalf of her husband, a two-pack-a-day smoker of Marlboros for 45 years. Jesse Williams died of lung cancer more than nine years ago. Philip Morris makes Marlboros.

She argued the jury award was appropriate because it punishes Philip Morris' misconduct for a decades-long "massive market-directed fraud" that misled people into thinking cigarettes were not dangerous or addictive.

Williams, according to his widow, never gave any credence to the surgeon general's health warnings about smoking cigarettes because tobacco companies insisted they were safe. Only after falling sick did Williams tell his wife: "Those darn cigarette people finally did it. They were lying all the time."

The cigarette maker, however, said a jury can punish the company only for the harm done to Williams, not to other smokers. The jury should have been told explicitly that other smokers, no matter how tragic their stories, would have to prove their own cases, the company said.

The Chamber of Commerce, National Association of Manufacturers and trade associations representing car and drug makers have weighed in on behalf of tighter restrictions on damage awards.

The case also was watched closely as a test of whether the new makeup of the Supreme Court would lead to changes in its prior rulings limiting punitive damages.

Roberts and Alito, the two newest members, were in the majority Tuesday, giving no hint of a change in the court's approach to punitive damages.

The case is Philip Morris USA v. Williams, 05-1256.

Newmania
02-20-2007, 05:35 PM
Smoking kills people. Doesn't this bitch get it?

Butter Nuggets
02-20-2007, 06:45 PM
She and the rest of her kind understand the dangers of cigarettes completely, and have since the beginning. But if there is money to be had people will say anything.

Williams, according to his widow, never gave any credence to the surgeon general's health warnings about smoking cigarettes because tobacco companies insisted they were safe. Only after falling sick did Williams tell his wife: "Those darn cigarette people finally did it. They were lying all the time."

Has anyone on the planet ever said and truly believed anything like this?

cozzie
02-20-2007, 07:49 PM
I smoke almost 1 pack a day ,I understand that it's killing me , in my will, I want Marlboro to wrap me in Cig papers and light me up.

THE FEZ MAN
02-20-2007, 07:56 PM
im a smoker and people that sue the tobacco companys are fucking idiots. all of those cases should be tossed.

Turtle
02-20-2007, 08:06 PM
Smoking kills people.
This is just crazy talk.

Newmania
02-20-2007, 09:20 PM
This is just crazy talk.

I try to think out of the box once in a while.

Jims Rottweiler
02-20-2007, 10:14 PM
im a smoker and people that sue the tobacco companys are fucking idiots. all of those cases should be tossed.
Don't you think that cigarettes are addictive to the extreme? And if so, doesn't that make a difference? Fuck those cigarette company assholes. They have been killing people for years, they target kids, and they can all suck my dick.

THE FEZ MAN
02-20-2007, 10:51 PM
prohabiton didnt work in the 20s why do people think its going to work now, fuck stupid people. if you want to sue some one sue the automakers for all the people who died because of all the fumes they have been pumping into the air all those years there was no such thing as emmisions regulatons,or the total lack of any basic safety devices because they would have cost tens of cents a unit to provide, how about we sue mc donalds, for kids being fat, or the insurance companys that take millions of dollars a year form people yet refuse to pay a claim or when they do they force the consumer to accept sub standard repairs. but they wont, because its not in thing" to do. just wait there time will come, when some shit head lawyer figures out a way to make a buck.

no one stuck a cigarette into my mouth and lit it, i did it on my own accord, there for accepting the risk invloved with the habbit, no shit they target kids, no one that can make a rational decision would smoke. its called great marketing, ever accualy watch childerns TV, its hours and hours of marketing, hookem while there young and you have a customer for life, its not only cigs its food, video games, worthless toys you name it.

some were in our history, we as a society lost touch with the simple idea of "assumed risk" we are bogged down in a letigious quagmire of avoiding responsablity buy placeing the guilt apon others, booo hooo, its not my fault,,,, now pay me.... for being stupid.
i like to call it the ****** lottery.

Vyce
02-21-2007, 01:35 AM
Thank GOD. I hope this signals an end to the fucking gravy train.

Fucking please. Let us go back to the era of not getting paid because of your own stupidity.

BeltOfScotch
02-21-2007, 01:59 AM
Good. People suing cigarette companies for their own (or their beloveds own) inability to determine that cigarettes are harmful has always pissed me off.... C'mon, no matter how badly the companies behaved in hiding the harmful effects of smoking, didn't the fact that you couldn't walk a flight of stairs without being winded, or waking up every morning wheezing and phlegmy, give you a hint that maybe, just maybe, inhaling smoke on a regular basis might be bad for you?

Except none of this has anything to do with the court's decision. The argument had nothing to do with the validity of her case and this decision will not stop any pending case involving people suing on behalf of spouses who died due to cigarette usage.

In the closing arguments, the plaintiff's attorney told the jury to think about all the other people they see smoking, that 10% of those people die and that Philip Morris has 1/3 of that market. They were basically asking the jury to pay their client for the wrongs that Philip Morris inflicts on everyone (I'm just repeating their argument). The defense asked for a jury instruction explaining that the jury cannot punish the defendant for injuries to other people, and that request was denied.

The court basically said that a jury can look at the harm to other people in determining how a defendant's actions are reasonably related to the harm done to the plaintiff, but that punitive damages cannot be assessed for harms done to people that aren't parties to the case. This was about punitive damages, and while it may act to limit the amounts awarded to people, it says nothing about the strength of their cases.

PCLoadLetter
02-21-2007, 02:01 AM
Christ. No need to get all LEGAL about this.:icon_wink

bethm1b
02-21-2007, 01:43 PM
This shit has been bothering me too. Everyone smoke and die, drink and die, eat lousey food and die. Stop with the bullshit already. You choose your destiny and shut the fuck up about how you didn't know. My parents told me the horrors of tobacco 35 years ago. but it's on the news as a headline three years ago? We know alcohol and many of the foods we eat are killers, but we don't care. We want what we want. I wish cancer on these scumbags who just try to profit from the deaths of people they love.

HummerTuesdays
02-21-2007, 01:48 PM
I agree with beth. Anyone who picks up a cigarette after the Surgeon General's warnings (back in the '70s) should not be allowed to sue the tobacco companies. They knew it was bad for their health, but they still smoked. Is it an addiction? Sure. But I don't see people addicted to prescriptions suing the drug companies. I haven't heard about drunk drivers that kill others suing the alcohol companies.

Tazznum1
02-21-2007, 02:32 PM
I'm suing those damn dunkin donuts people. Nowhere does it say that eating 3 dozen donuts a day is bad for you. Nevermind their delicious coffee.


In the last 20-30 years, have the cigarette companies come out and say "Our cigarette is GOOD for you."


Now light up a Lucky, it's gooood for you. Feel it in your lungs. Refreshing, isn't it?

J. PETERSON
02-21-2007, 03:00 PM
im a smoker and people that sue the tobacco companys are fucking idiots. all of those cases should be tossed.
Yep.
Same with fat people suing the fast food restaurants that are making them fat...