Unrequited love.

[FAngel]

It's storytime, Wackbaggers. Just make sure to pull up a chair and have your emo jokes ready.

Last year, I met a girl. She'll remain nameless for this, and it really doesn't matter anyway - you can make up your own name. The meeting itself was an event, since I've done a damn good job of keeping myself anonymous at my university for the past three years all the way up to my forthcoming graduation in May. Like some of us here, I think people are an overall pain in the ass, and it's not worth my time to make any friends that would require even more of said time to see. Couple that with the fact that I have a steady part time job, as well as my no-drinking policy and you understand why I haven't really meshed with the college crowd.

Enter said girl...she's gorgeous. Stunning, even. Completely my type - artsy, dyed hair, eyes that you can see from across the room, stacked in the chest area. I first met her when she was selling some jewelry that she made herself, and after a horrendously awkward conversation, we swapped phone numbers, IM names and the like. We hang out in group settings the first few times, and she seems like a pretty cool person.

Now we skip ahead to the first night we have time alone - in her dorm, just the two of us. By this point, I've already asked her what she sees for us, and she answers "friends with potential fooling around." I can live with that, I suppose...I'm usually not one for the really casual stuff, but that's my own fault. No reason I can't make an exception here, right? Yeah...so by the end of that night, nothing physical has happened between the two of us, and yet she falls asleep on top of me, clutching me tight. I am very, very confused at this point because of what she told me before, and then it suddenly hits me...shit. I like this girl.

Bit of time passes, and some physical stuff happens between us. No outright sex, but plenty of fooling around. I start to wonder if I'm letting my guard down too quickly considering all the bullshit women have put me through in the past - that sounds ridiculous at 22 years old, but in my mind, I've seen a lot by now. After a couple more sessions, I finally tell her that I "care about her a lot." This hits her in a strange spot and she says we should stop with the physical stuff, just hang out as friends and see where it takes us. Reluctantly, I agree.

Not even three weeks later, she initiates things and we're back to the naked groping phase. As I just said, SHE initiated this - that's vital to what happens later. I'm just happy that she decided to come aroundso quickly, or so I thought. Then the conversation pops up again and apparently, she never wanted us to start doing things again. I'm very confused again at this point, especially because she was the one who started it this time, but I offer up the idea of us "resetting" and she accepts.

I don't know when it happened, exactly - if it was one isolated moment, or if it gradually snuck up on me. But somewhere along the way, I figured out that I had fallen in love with her. I was pissed with myself, because I don't like opening up to people this easily, but I was also glad because as anyone in this spot will tell you, it's an incredible feeling that you can't find anywhere else. At almost the exact same time, something different happens between us: she gets closer to me, literally and physically. Not in a sexual manner, but whenever we were alone, she would nuzzle up to me and fall asleep in my arms. All that hokey shit that belongs in a paperback book you pick up in an airport. I didn't care, though - I felt like I was becoming happy for once.

Then something happened. I don't want to get into it here, but I'll say that she has a few demons she has been working with for some time. She became distant all of a sudden, and even though she did not owe me an explanation, I wanted one. I wasn't going to ask her, though, so I did what any other jackass in my spot would do: I decided it was time to tell her how I really felt.

And that's what happened a little under two hours ago. I told her everything I had felt since I met her, and how I felt like nothing else in the world mattered when I was around her. That every time she was next to me, the world didn't exist anymore. I spewed out more of this crap that, disgusting as it sounds, I meant honestly. And then I dropped the bomb and told her I was in love with her.

And do you know how she answered?

"I'm not that into it."

Okay. I can understand that - it's my belief that truly loving someone is not expecting anything in return. What confused...maybe even irritated me was the things I described above - falling asleep together, the subtle little gestures she would give that made me feel like she really cared. When I asked her what it was she felt for me, I never got a straight answer. She said something about also being confused, and that until she sorted things out, she needed to be alone, from everyone regardless of her level of interaction with them.

I took a deep breath after all this, and told her I would see her on Friday, since there's a show happening on campus. We hugged, and I left. Walking back to my car, I could feel something inside me that wanted to be let out - was I about to cry? Apparently not...I got a little misty-eyed over the whole thing, but there was nothing to let out.

And now I'm confused again: if I was truly in love with this girl, how can I sit here with an open mind and look back so quickly in hindsight at where I fucked up? Am I too young to understand what love really is? And if so, what the hell is love? I really felt like this was it, and it scares me to think that I could fall in and out of it so easily.

Yeah, I know, I'm just a kid compared to a lot of you. I'd still like to think I'm a bit wiser than most my age...but I suppose I still have a lot to learn about emotions.

[Glenn Dandy]

I finally tell her that I "care about her a lot." FIRST MISTAKE


And that's what happened a little under two hours ago. I told her everything I had felt since I met her, and how I felt like nothing else in the world mattered when I was around her. That every time she was next to me, the world didn't exist anymore. I spewed out more of this crap that, disgusting as it sounds, I meant honestly. And then I dropped the bomb and told her I was in love with her.SECOND MISTAKE


Listen young fella... this girl is obviously a hottie.. What you are missing is the fact that any guy is gonna fall in love with her.... Shes use to it. You pretty much told her in so many words Im a dusch like every other guy and i will kiss your ass if you love me.


Now start acting like a man.

Its probably too late now that shes pegged you as a pussy... but next time she calls tell her you are busy,,,, when on the phone cut her off and say, gotta run.... No girl wants a guy that his whole life is about her.... She already has a life all about her. .. shes looking for the other part of it... A man. Mayby if you start acting like one you will get what you seek.

[BaLZaC~308]

damn bro....


ummm I dont think your too young to be in love but at the same time you may look back at this a few years from now and be like naaaaa.. who knows.

Fucking crazy confused bitches, you tell her how you feel she says she doesnt know and you should take a break then she decides she wants to fool around some more. What a fucking mindfuck... the falling asleep on you and all the other cutesy shit is the worse, great way to make you think she has same feelings

I didnt want to be as blunt as glenn but you have to watch out about opening up with your feelings if your not positive it is gonna be returned... easy way to get your heart stompped on.
Definitely shouldn't have told her the second time.

[boardsofcanada]

reminds me of the song Love in vain from robert johnson/ every fucking blues artist ever.

[WhiteHonkyDevil]

at least you got to the groping and fooling around stage. I got the big brush off from a chick that I've known for years, but recently had started to actually get 'close' to.

Meh.

Last time I saw her, I sat her down in a chair and gave her a HUGE list of why everyone hates her.

She cried. A lot.

I felt better.

[Sack of Chisels]

Fuck man, without going into the long story I recently went through the exact shit that your talking about.. your story was tough to read but I really feel for you. I'm probably worse off than you so I can't give advice, but it takes a lot of reflecting to figure out what went wrong and how to avoid it in the future.

I'm basically Mike from Swingers, except the happy ending where he gets over the broad is nowhere in sight for me.

[boardsofcanada]

Now that I actually read it,
It all boils down to this: Girls don't know what the fuck they want

I know you are probably looking for some logical reason to all this, but there simply is none.

[Sack of Chisels]

Now that I actually read it,
It all boils down to this: Girls don't know what the fuck they want

I know you are probably looking for some logical reason to all this, but there simply is none.
That makes more sense than anything I can come up with analyzing what went wrong with a girl who "loved" me for a few months, but then it changed "OUT OF THE FUCKING BLUUUUUUUUEE"

But I may have been guilty of some of the shit GD talks about.

[boardsofcanada]

I may have been guilty of some of the shit GD talks about.

Thats because its the natural, logical thing to do. Girls on the other hand are stuck in the caveman ages when it comes to attraction. So what do they do? They keep testing your manhood until you "choke"...and they lose their attraction to you. What happens to you? You're left clueless and fucked over for doing the thing that makes sense.

[Glenn Dandy]

That makes more sense than anything I can come up with analyzing what went wrong with a girl who "loved" me for a few months, but then it changed "OUT OF THE FUCKING BLUUUUUUUUEE"

But I may have been guilty of some of the shit GD talks about.

I never said it makes sense. But after being nice to every woman i ever met and getting cornholed out of the deal you start realizing, hey this niceguy shit doesnt work.
Im trying to save you young guys the bullshit.

When you are trying to land a girl you like heres my advice...Its not easy... but be nice, but be selfish... for some reason if you bend towards a girls wants...it makes them think your a loser. I think its because men kiss so much ass these days.
I mean go to a bar, If a decent girl walks in its like fucking Jesus Christ just walkked through the front door. They are spoiled from the ego trips these fucking night at the Roxbury freaks have created. The only way to combat this is to just be a regular man... Think about what a MAN is.... Strong ( mentaly & Physicly) The world is his. The attitude is, Look at me Im the shit with or without you... If your cool and dont create bullshit in my life I'll let yuo be my GF. If they give you BS, you pretty much say, I dont need this, seeya.

AND THAT RAT, IS THE ATTITUDE.http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/9864/ratks3.jpg
Mike Damone: Yeah! The attitude dictates that you don't care whether she comes, stays, lays, or prays. I mean whatever happens, your toes are still tappin'. Now when you got that, then you have the attitude. I shoulda listened to Dimone along time ago... that advice is gold.

[TrybalRage]

It happens, dude. I'm not going to tell you that you did the wrong thing, I've been there.

But I will tell you not to pursue this further. She knows how you feel, she pulled back for whatever reason, let it go. If you keep trying to be friendly it's just gonna fuck with your head.

She sounds like one of those chicks that could really make you nuts (in a bad way). Cut your losses.

[B54]

That's the way I treat girls the way I do. For everything they deserve; they are nothing but fuck-toys to me.

[CM Mark]

FAngel, I know what you are going through. Been sorta in the same boat many times myself. I've just never gotten to the point of actually telling the chick how I feel. Only one of them did I ever tell, and it was the same damn response you got.

[ruckstande]

FIRST MISTAKE


SECOND MISTAKE


Listen young fella... this girl is obviously a hottie.. What you are missing is the fact that any guy is gonna fall in love with her.... Shes use to it. You pretty much told her in so many words Im a dusch like every other guy and i will kiss your ass if you love me.


Now start acting like a man.

Its probably too late now that shes pegged you as a pussy... but next time she calls tell her you are busy,,,, when on the phone cut her off and say, gotta run.... No girl wants a guy that his whole life is about her.... She already has a life all about her. .. shes looking for the other part of it... A man. Mayby if you start acting like one you will get what you seek.

Wow, you've been burned more than me Glenn and you are so fucking right. Take every word of this as gospe FAngell. The less you care the more you get. You are too young to be this caught up in love and I think she might know it. This doesn't mean you have to completely lose touch with her, jut ignore her the best you can.

[J. PETERSON]

.......and then what happened?

sorry, someone had to.

I think we've all been here before, in one form or another.
Lots of good info already in the thread. I've been one to open myself to a female to soon and it went basically the same way.
Glenn's first response was PERFECT and explained a relationship of mine to a tee.
I had an ex call me a 'whiny girlfriend' because I suggested that we should spend more time together.
Whatever cunt.
But Glenn hit the nail on the head.

[Three Hole Puncher]

Emotions are for ethnics.

[thegreatgazoo]

Bottom line is most girls don't want the guys they can get or those that want them. They want the guys they can't have. Once you let her know how you felt, it was over. Next time just keep acting like she is no big deal and you see how fast she attaches to you.

[DanaReevesLungs]

FAngel, I know what you are going through. Been sorta in the same boat many times myself. I've just never gotten to the point of actually telling the chick how I feel. Only one of them did I ever tell, and it was the same damn response you got.


So you groped a hot chick? Do tell...

[Sinn Fein]

Well, if/when she ever talks to you again.. Your response to any questions should be:

I'm not that into it.

Because, more likely than not, she's gonna stew on this for a while. The lil' wheels are gonna turn and she's gonna THINK she's got someone she can keep in the "friend zone" but who will do stuff for her at the drop of a hat. To many women, that's like hitting the lottery.

In the meantime, based on your location, I have one recommendation:

Go here (http://www.ervsgirls.com/) and relax a lil bit.

[CM Mark]

So you groped a hot chick? Do tell...
Fucker her too. She dropped the "L" bomb first, then the very next day, as I was on my way to the hospital with severe abdominal pain, I get a text from her breaking up with me. This was almost a year ago now. If I ever see her again, I will punch the cunt in the face until she's unconcious, then while she's down and out, kick her until I hear and feel every bone in her body snap.


But this thread isn't about me, this thread is about FAngel. Budday, you know where to turn when you need.

[mikeybot]

I never said it makes sense. But after being nice to every woman i ever met and getting cornholed out of the deal you start realizing, hey this niceguy shit doesnt work.
Im trying to save you young guys the bullshit.

When you are trying to land a girl you like heres my advice...Its not easy... but be nice, but be selfish... for some reason if you bend towards a girls wants...it makes them think your a loser. I think its because men kiss so much ass these days.
I mean go to a bar, If a decent girl walks in its like fucking Jesus Christ just walkked through the front door. They are spoiled from the ego trips these fucking night at the Roxbury freaks have created. The only way to combat this is to just be a regular man... Think about what a MAN is.... Strong ( mentaly & Physicly) The world is his. The attitude is, Look at me Im the shit with or without you... If your cool and dont create bullshit in my life I'll let yuo be my GF. If they give you BS, you pretty much say, I dont need this, seeya.

AND THAT RAT, IS THE ATTITUDE.http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/9864/ratks3.jpg
I shoulda listened to Dimone along time ago... that advice is gold.

QFT

Been there before and that sucks. Best bet is to cut her out for a while. Not going to do yourself any favors still hanging out with her acting like that.

[boardsofcanada]

Think about what a MAN is.... Strong ( mentaly & Physicly)

great advice, but you gotta laugh at the irony of it.

[Sack of Chisels]

Bottom line is most girls don't want the guys they can get or those that want them. They want the guys they can't have. Once you let her know how you felt, it was over. Next time just keep acting like she is no big deal and you see how fast she attaches to you.
I've heard this kind of thing a lot, and while it might work on most girls, how is that a worthwhile way to treat women? Let's say you're a guy who doesn't want just a fuck toy, but you want love, how do you go from the macho persona to actually opening up to the girl and having a loving relationship when it was all based on acting like she's nothing? Is it even possible? Is love even realistic anymore? Or is it all mind games and hedging your bets with women..

[FuzzyRanger]

I never said it makes sense. But after being nice to every woman i ever met and getting cornholed out of the deal you start realizing, hey this niceguy shit doesnt work.
Im trying to save you young guys the bullshit.

When you are trying to land a girl you like heres my advice...Its not easy... but be nice, but be selfish... for some reason if you bend towards a girls wants...it makes them think your a loser. I think its because men kiss so much ass these days.
I mean go to a bar, If a decent girl walks in its like fucking Jesus Christ just walkked through the front door. They are spoiled from the ego trips these fucking night at the Roxbury freaks have created. The only way to combat this is to just be a regular man... Think about what a MAN is.... Strong ( mentaly & Physicly) The world is his. The attitude is, Look at me Im the shit with or without you... If your cool and dont create bullshit in my life I'll let yuo be my GF. If they give you BS, you pretty much say, I dont need this, seeya.

What you say sounds true and most likely is used by many of man successfully, I still don't think what he did was wrong. The girl has issues and isn't the right match for you, I think you should act the way you feel and there's no need to hide you feels with macho man feelings.

[thegreatgazoo]

I've heard this kind of thing a lot, and while it might work on most girls, how is that a worthwhile way to treat women? Let's say you're a guy who doesn't want just a fuck toy, but you want love, how do you go from the macho persona to actually opening up to the girl and having a loving relationship when it was all based on acting like she's nothing? Is it even possible? Is love even realistic anymore? Or is it all mind games and hedging your bets with women..


Where did I ever say to treat woman badly. Nowhere did I ever even hint at that. There is a big difference between showuing them you don't really care and treating them bad. You can be great friends with a girl and still act like you have no romantic interest in them. That's the point I was trying to make. The bottom line is you can't fall all over them because they seem then not to be interested.

[Sack of Chisels]

Where did I ever say to treat woman badly. Nowhere did I ever even hint at that.
Where did I say you said to treat them badly? I was just talking about the macho over confident, "you're no big deal, hunny" attitude.

[B54]

Let's say you're a guy who doesn't want just a fuck toy, but you want love ...

Love doesn't exist.

[Rich W.]

Whatever you do, *DO NOT* read any pitiful self help books...

[Steve McQueen]

My advice is to anger-fuck someone else.

[Cunt Smasher]

I don't know anything about that shit,nevermind the 4-5 threads of dispicable self-hating mush I posted awhile back.Completely changed my attitude.And strangely enough,women seem to respond to me better since I quit being an emotional pussy with them.

[Myhairygrundle]

What you are about to read is the most important thing I was never told at your age, so pay close attention....


Women go through some strange things between the ages 22-28. They want to get married out of college. Then they find their career in their mid 20's and realize they got married too young. There is some other shit that goes on (anyone feel free to add to it).

You will feel like she is the best thing you've found since you figured out how to tug on your pecker. Then she will take your heart and rip it out of your chest (kind of like in the 2nd Indiana Jones movie.) She has found some other dude who is way cooler than you and he uses a lot of hair products and has a hi-rise downtown.

You will feel like shit. It will happen to you, I promise.

Bottom line..


Do not get married until you:

1. Have lived alone in your own place for at least 3 years.
2. Have been employed at the same place for 2 years.
3. Have saved at least $10,000 in the "just in case fund"

I'm all over the place, but your story was really fucking long....

It will get better. Enjoy college.


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[Glenn Dandy]

Do not get married until you:

1. Have lived alone in your own place for at least 3 years.
2. Have been employed at the same place for 2 years.
3. Have saved at least $10,000 in the "just in case fund"


BAD ADVICE..... NEVER GET MARRIED PERIOD! fuck church, fuck religeon... knock a girl up if you want a kid,,, thats gonna cost you plenty when she decides shes not in love anymore to begin with... why fuck yourself worse.

the days of Donna Reed are gone... girls have no respect for men anymore , so fuck em. They wanted to be equal, fine were equal you take your shit ill take mine if you wanna fuck in the meantime were cool.

[tstlkevanilla]

I've heard this kind of thing a lot, and while it might work on most girls, how is that a worthwhile way to treat women? Let's say you're a guy who doesn't want just a fuck toy, but you want love, how do you go from the macho persona to actually opening up to the girl and having a loving relationship when it was all based on acting like she's nothing? Is it even possible? Is love even realistic anymore? Or is it all mind games and hedging your bets with women..

:clap: :clap: finally. well said sir.

[Sack of Chisels]

:clap: :clap: finally. well said sir.
I appreciate that, but do you have an answer or any insight? :icon_conf

[Glenn Dandy]

great advice, but you gotta laugh at the irony of it.WTF s that suppose to mean fuckface?:action-sm

[JimsInfectedEye]

Boy, I'm SOOOoo glad I'm married.

[tstlkevanilla]

I appreciate that, but do you have an answer or any insight? :icon_conf

my opinion isn't a popular one. when I was younger, that whole ignoring me, and not acting like I'm the best thing since sliced bread used to work on me. It made me work harder for the guy..

But now, if a guy acted like that with me, he gets replaced in an instant. I'm not about those dumb mind games anymore. If my current bf tried to pull that shit, we would never have gotten together. Instead, he was open and honest with me about his feelings for me and that's what it took to prove to me that he was for real and not bullshitting. He put himself out there and took a chance. And I know how hard it was for him to do that.
Now.. I'm completely and totally in love with him, and I have no intentions on going anywhere.

[Glenn Dandy]

my opinion isn't a popular one. when I was younger, that whole ignoring me, and not acting like I'm the best thing since sliced bread used to work on me. It made me work harder for the guy..

But now, if a guy acted like that with me, he gets replaced in an instant. I'm not about those dumb mind games anymore. If my current bf tried to pull that shit, we would never have gotten together. Instead, he was open and honest with me about his feelings for me and that's what it took to prove to me that he was for real and not bullshitting. He put himself out there and took a chance. And I know how hard it was for him to do that.
Now.. I'm completely and totally in love with him, and I have no intentions on going anywhere.

Ok, fine.... I have no problem with being open... but there definatly has to be a feeling in the girls camp that.. this guy realy likes, loves me but If i abuse him he's gone.

He is his own man, hes not going to put up with shit. Am I right?

My dad loves his girl 20 years but like he taught me,, his words." she knows not to give me shit or I'll walk."

If you enjoy being with someone and loving them thats great. but! when its your life.... its the oild get taken advantage of scheeme. I feel everyone male and female should completly satisfied alone... before even thinking of being with someone... because irf it does turn ugly you have to be able to say fuck it, and walk.

thats the only way mutual respect is gained.....I honestly think woman will take everything they can get like children, they will test you likew a child to see what they can get away with,,, and if your not a strong man... your going to get the short end of that. but if she knows if i push this guy to much he will fucking leave me.... thats mutual respect.

You just dont get respect through being mr nice guy.. it just doesnt work. you gotta set it up where your nice, and shes nice... any deviation is so long fucko by both partys. mutual respect... has to be navigated it isnt free.

[tstlkevanilla]

Ok, fine.... I have no problem with being open... but there definatly has to be a feeling in the girls camp that.. this guy realy likes, loves me but If i abuse him he's gone.

He is his own man, hes not going to put up with shit. Am I right?

My dad loves his girl 20 years but like he taught me,, his words." she knows not to give me shit or I'll walk."

If you enjoy being with someone and loving them thats great. but! when its your life.... its the oild get taken advantage of scheeme. I feel everyone male and female should completly satisfied alone... before even thinking of being with someone... because irf it does turn ugly you have to be able to say fuck it, and walk.

thats the only way mutual respect is gained.....I honestly think woman will take everything they can get like children, they will test you likew a child to see what they can get away with,,, and if your not a strong man... your going to get the short end of that. but if she knows if i push this guy to much he will fucking leave me.... thats mutual respect.

Oh I've tested him alright. Not sitting here trying to act like I'm an angel. But I did it for other reasons, not to see what I can get away with. But to prove to myself that he's full of shit and will leave me someday. Crazy I know. But I've been hurt WAY too much in the past.

Through my craziness he has stuck by me and has shown me what true love really is. I'm forever indebted to him for that. His happiness is my happiness. Even if I do act like a crazy bitch at times. I enjoy his company and love being around him. And this is the first relationship that I've been in where I was very good friends with the guy before we took it to the next level. We had already built that foundation for a strong relationship.
All my other relationships started after a night of sex.. those were just disasters. I still tried to give my all, only to be walked all over time and time again.

[Glenn Dandy]

It a damned shame men n woman cant get on the same page,,, but honestly I believe if guys are treating you badly.... meh, its your fault, (womens) i mean... we all start out ( check the youngins) wanting to be the grerat guy for the girl, love her, do anything for her... but that shit is just fuckin wait to get fucked vill.


So blame yourselves.

you'll probably leave this sweet guy the minute some asshole turns you on.


I have an example... my last gf, n me broke up... i was the angel she was an idiot... i made her life work without me she would be doomed... So I eventualy get sick of her crap n leave... She meets the ( ASSHOLE) guy,,,, totaly in love acts like a fool... guy treats her like crap... she loses her kids, her home and the guys says FU... she still cant get enough.....Now Im taking care of her again... because she lost everything...


while tyalking one night about shit she says to me...


I said to Tommy why do you treat me like shit? I love you.

He replied because if i was nice to you... you would leave me.

She admitted to me that yeah she probably would of.

[Angelfuck]

Bottom line is most girls don't want the guys they can get or those that want them. They want the guys they can't have. Once you let her know how you felt, it was over. Next time just keep acting like she is no big deal and you see how fast she attaches to you.
I see this come up so often and it couldn't be further from the truth, but glenn was pretty dead on in his first post in his own way of saying things :icon_wink
it was just too soon for her and now that she knows you love her she is going to pull away, now she's confused because even if she loves you she hasnt accepted those feelings like you have, and shes not going to want to lead you on if she doesnt share your feelings. You need to take the relationship back a step, limit the amount of time you give to her, maybe you can get back to where you were.
The reason glenn's advice will probably work is because when someone shows too much interest a person's guard goes up moreso than when someone just likes them, you dont necessarily have to be a dick about it. you should've just gone with it, nothing has to be set in stone, you can just enjoy each other's company, the rest will come later. maybe you should do another retry, third times the charm.

[wes mantooth]

All my other relationships started after a night of sex.. those were just disasters. I still tried to give my all, only to be walked all over time and time again.

anal?

:action-sm


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[Glenn Dandy]

never mistake my advice for saying to mean to girls.... Im super nice to girls... I just dont put much stock into a girl...I only trust me...If one proves worthy someday mayby... but Im pushin 40 years old.... so not thinkin thats gonna happen.
I find them to be extremly selfish creatures.

[NoSurviivors]

most of the better relationships that I have been in started as friends. All of the ones that instantly turned into something more didn't go very far or worse. It's not that I don't care for anyone, I just like to take things slow...

I like to keep give people their space & keep my own. I don't want to rush into anything, however I'm not against falling in love. I still beleive that it exists. There is someone out there that I may open up to someday, tho I'm not going to rush to do so... if I felt different vibes from her it certainly would happen sooner, but I'm content as is. Rather keep a friendship then destroy it in something that we weren't ready to do..

Or maybe I'm just an introverted creep that thinks too much.

[thegreatgazoo]

Oh well, what do I know, I've been married for 20 years to one of the best.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s197/Littleroundtop/Picture31.jpg
She's my life. Hope you find your one true love.

[robertkeys]

i dont think you know how you feel about a woman until after you sleep with them. up until then its just mostly lust and/or friendship. ive had girls i were friends with or drove myself crazy about only to find the second after i slept with them that i had to quickly go somewhere else do something else and somehow find a way go back in time to the point before we screwed.
i would tell her that all those things you said were just ideas or hunches you had about her but cant really be proven until you sleep together.
but i didnt read the whole post so what do i know.

[Cunt Smasher]

Oh well, what do I know, I've been married for 20 years to one of the best.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s197/Littleroundtop/Picture31.jpg
She's my life. Hope you find your one true love.
You're married to Ginger Lynn? Holy shit!:action-sm

[Angelfuck]

never mistake my advice for saying to mean to girls.... Im super nice to girls... I just dont put much stock into a girl...I only trust me...If one proves worthy someday mayby... but Im pushin 40 years old.... so not thinkin thats gonna happen.
I find them to be extremly selfish creatures.

maybe thats where youre going wrong, not putting "much stock into a girl" is pretty much saying you dont respect them, and as much as people need to earn respect, you have to have a certain amount of respect off the bat. if you approach someone as selfish, then you are going to act selfishly - looking out for yourself, and they in turn will only act selfishly back.
patrice is right, the other person cant take for granted the fact that you choose to be with them, but I think you're wrong about letting them know you can leave whenever you want. and although people do need to prove themselves, if you handle a person with that idea in mind it can be a major roadblock. choke on this has the right idea, you just gotta find someone you can chill with, no predispositions

[thegreatgazoo]

You're married to Ginger Lynn? Holy shit!:action-sm

Thanks, but I don't think she looks like Ginger Lynn.
I got lucky. I guess I've been out of the game so long, don't know what's going on anymore.

[boardsofcanada]

i think the single best piece of advice is:

Never take advice from women about how to get and treat women

[B54]

maybe thats where youre going wrong, not putting "much stock into a girl" is pretty much saying you dont respect them, and as much as people need to earn respect, you have to have a certain amount of respect off the bat. if you approach someone as selfish, then you are going to act selfishly - looking out for yourself, and they in turn will only act selfishly back.

I have a certain level of respect for my fellow man; as far as women go, they have earned none. The moment you approach someone and already garner respect or trust in them, you are a complete fool. To give any human trust is the most asisine thing. We are humans. We are selfish beings. It's fact. To trust is idiocity.

I may be young, but I have experienced everything from women that I already know. So what is a woman? A woman is an un-appreciative being. Simple. The way I treat them reflects the experience of myself and every other man on the planet. To constantly place your trust into anything, much less a woman, is beyond rationale.

[boardsofcanada]

I have a certain level of respect for my fellow man; as far as women go, they have earned none. The moment you approach someone and already garner respect or trust in them, you are a complete fool. To give any human trust is the most asisine thing. We are humans. We are selfish beings. It's fact. To trust is idiocity.

I may be young, but I have experienced everything from women that I already know. So what is a woman? A woman is an un-appreciative being. Simple. The way I treat them reflects the experience of myself and every other man on the planet. To constantly place your trust into anything, much less a woman, is beyond rationale.

behind that sociopathic, bateman-ish statement there is a lot of truth.

[Glenn Dandy]

maybe thats where youre going wrong, not putting "much stock into a girl" is pretty much saying you dont respect them, and as much as people need to earn respect, you have to have a certain amount of respect off the bat. if you approach someone as selfish, then you are going to act selfishly - looking out for yourself, and they in turn will only act selfishly back.
patrice is right, the other person cant take for granted the fact that you choose to be with them, but I think you're wrong about letting them know you can leave whenever you want. and although people do need to prove themselves, if you handle a person with that idea in mind it can be a major roadblock. choke on this has the right idea, you just gotta find someone you can chill with, no predispositions
thats sounds like a great philosophy Angel... All I can say is where ive been, what ive learned... to me my father is jesus christ... his life is perfect, everything ship shape perfect, he can do know wrong. he owns the earth... Thats not narcisist... He realy is all that.

I bucked him my whole life... Rebel 100%... every word he spoke to me rained true... as i aged and learned from my mistakes.

You are going to hate me after this statement... But its what my dad has finaly beaten into my head. The only people that love you. truly is your parents. Having a child myself realy sent this home to me... I wouldnt think twice about dying for my son.

What this means is people by nature are selfish. Ive learned unless its a father a mother or a brother or sister... you cant put it out there. People are horrible.
Theres only one way to OWN a sitruation with someone outside your family circle. And thats to OWN that situation.

Im an asshole, just like my dad... but my heart will never be broken again... and Ive learned how to play for love. Its not so much evil, mean, its keeping someone you invest in ... In check. through power.

Reality blows,,, but Its reality what r ya gonna do.

[tstlkevanilla]

It a damned shame men n woman cant get on the same page,,, but honestly I believe if guys are treating you badly.... meh, its your fault, (womens) i mean... we all start out ( check the youngins) wanting to be the grerat guy for the girl, love her, do anything for her... but that shit is just fuckin wait to get fucked vill.


So blame yourselves.

you'll probably leave this sweet guy the minute some asshole turns you on.

Right.. I deserved to get punched in the face and kicked in the head when I was 8 months pregnant. I deserved to get smacked around while holding a newborn in a napsack. You're right.. what a bad girl I was. Get the shit straight before you lump all women into one category.

As for leaving him as soon as some asshole turns me on? You're right about that as well. Because that lifestyle is something I can't WAIT to jump right back into.

I was married and divorced within 6 months, he had a girlfriend the whole time. I filed for divorce. My next relationship was verbally and physically abusive.. I was in it for 2 years and kept taking him back after he cheated repeatedly. Once that relationship was done, I was done with relationships and love for good. I made a life for myself and was content on being alone, raising my kids, and working. This man has stepped into my life, and has totally woken up a dead soul.

Yah.. I can't WAIT to leave him.

[Rich W.]

Have I ever mentioned that I wrote a book about this shit???

Christ I am a douche...

[NoSurviivors]

Have I ever mentioned that I wrote a book about this shit???

Christ I am a douche...

really?

[Glenn Dandy]

Right.. I deserved to get punched in the face and kicked in the head when I was 8 months pregnant. I deserved to get smacked around while holding a newborn in a napsack. You're right.. what a bad girl I was. Get the shit straight before you lump all women into one category.

As for leaving him as soon as some asshole turns me on? You're right about that as well. Because that lifestyle is something I can't WAIT to jump right back into.
O c,mon.

Statisticly lets compare battered woman to guys who got their hearts ripped out.

Im sorry that happened to you, but it doesnt excuse all the cunts who made most of us men bitter assholes.

I think youll find statisticly men these days get abused away more, through courts, cops,and cheating.
I would almost love a beating over the shit ive been dragged through. Ever been to prison because of a lying cunt? because she needs disposable income?

Ever been arrested at your house because of a lieing cunt that just punched you 40 times because you dont love her.

go from a respected person in your town to a woman beater, scorned by your friends because some chic wants revenge, when she cheated on you and you didnt say , OK.

Everyone sides with the woman... if you stayed in that relationship... yeah your fault.
Ive been systematicly wronged. not a fucking thing i could do about it.

[invisible76]

Cut your losses dude.

1) YOu probably weren't in love. You were in love with the hunt. The anticipation, the unknown, the anxiety of waiting. She played you.

2) Go get yourself a slut. Knocking the first one out after a heartbreak is the toughest. Get to your local bar, find a skeeze (even if it's a fat one), and get right back on that pony.

3) You're too young to let yourself get TOO down about a chick. Regardless of your position on marriage, you have PLENTY of time to get whatever you want.

4)Your biggest mistake was letting her fall asleep on you that first night. If this bitch falls asleep during your first time alone either she had no interest EVER, or she saw she could play you and started her game right there. You should have woke her up with the ol' mushroom tap to the forehead.

[Angelfuck]

i think the single best piece of advice is:
Never take advice from women about how to get and treat women
so you would take advice from guys who have failed in their relationships rather than from a girl who's worked through a lot to maintain a good relationship for a long time. and if you're trying to "get" a woman please dont take my advice.

I have a certain level of respect for my fellow man; as far as women go, they have earned none. The moment you approach someone and already garner respect or trust in them, you are a complete fool. To give any human trust is the most asisine thing. We are humans. We are selfish beings. It's fact. To trust is idiocity.

I may be young, but I have experienced everything from women that I already know. So what is a woman? A woman is an un-appreciative being. Simple. The way I treat them reflects the experience of myself and every other man on the planet. To constantly place your trust into anything, much less a woman, is beyond rationale.

did I say anything about trust? I dont trust anyone, especially guys because of the mindset most of you hold, most guys that talk to me on the street want to "get with me" they dont want to get to know me, thats the lack of respect I was speaking of.
never trust someone you dont know, but give them enough respect to get to know them. and Im sorry to say kid, I know you think you know everything about woman, but the only women you seem to have experienced is fickle little girls and a mom who doesnt seem to have enough respect for herself or her son to tell her husband to let her raise her kid

Glenn, I understand why you feel the way you do, but I think you are only going to hurt yourself. you cant let how some people treat(ed) you affect how you approach relationships, you'll end up falling into a pattern and when someone different does come along you won't be able to see it. youre right, people are inherently selfish but how you treat a person affects how they treat you. most people just aren't meant for each other, most people will get their hearts broken repeatedly before they find someone that loves them enough to put aside their own selfishness

[boardsofcanada]

so you would take advice from guys who have failed in their relationships rather than from a girl who's worked through a lot to maintain a good relationship for a long time.

1) Every person who has ever been in relationships has "failed" in them unless they are still with the person
2) The advice they give I have seen work all the time
3) The advice i've seen girls give NEVER works, b/c women don't know what they want
4) My life experiences have proved what they (people like glenn daddy, b54, and basically every guy on here) said is true
5) Yes

[ode2no1]

Cut your losses dude.

1) YOu probably weren't in love. You were in love with the hunt. The anticipation, the unknown, the anxiety of waiting. She played you.
ok need to interject here...


Never tell anyone there not in love... when i was 22 i had been in rehab tried to kill myself twice and I fully knew what love is and isn't.



2) Go get yourself a slut. Knocking the first one out after a heartbreak is the toughest. Get to your local bar, find a skeeze (even if it's a fat one), and get right back on that pony.

Why is that always douche bag guy advice. I've had more lips on my dick then i would ever freely admit. Does that make me a better person nope. I look back at that time in my life with shame. I fucked over some very nice people just to get some pussy.


3) You're too young to let yourself get TOO down about a chick. Regardless of your position on marriage, you have PLENTY of time to get whatever you want.

Fuck i have been through the ringer with chicks on both sides... I've been cheated on more times then i can remember, including my ex wife. She was fucking the guy before and through our "blessed union". But i have also been on the other side.. down cause some chick cheated on me and i would for the next year use chicks for my needs while fucking them over and there feeling cause i was following what i thought was right. I wonder how many guys have now suffered cause they got my left overs.


4)Your biggest mistake was letting her fall asleep on you that first night. If this bitch falls asleep during your first time alone either she had no interest EVER, or she saw she could play you and started her game right there. You should have woke her up with the ol' mushroom tap to the forehead.

You know after being friends if my GF for almost a year we took steps to take it to the next level. Our first day and night together could be one of the greatest dates i've ever been on, it ened with us falling asleep and not fucking. And i have to say if we did fuck that night or if i pushed for it our relationship would not have lasted this long. Any relationship just built on sex will fail.

I have been though the ringer in life till i finally found some one that loves me as much as i love her. Our relationship has more up and downs then i with to think about. We fight, we argue almost daily at this point because we are at a point of no return... why because we are both scared shitless. Both of us have been used and crushed. We both push each other buttons waiting for our fears to be manifested and the person to leave.. like everyone else has before. Are eather one of us going to cheat never, do we think the other is, at times. Do we both make things hard for the other to test there love, you bet. Do we both know how great the end result will be... i do.

[B54]

did I say anything about trust? I dont trust anyone, especially guys because of the mindset most of you hold, most guys that talk to me on the street want to "get with me" they dont want to get to know me, thats the lack of respect I was speaking of.
never trust someone you dont know, but give them enough respect to get to know them. and Im sorry to say kid, I know you think you know everything about woman, but the only women you seem to have experienced is fickle little girls and a mom who doesnt seem to have enough respect for herself or her son to tell her husband to let her raise her kid


You don't need to respect people at all to know them. I know everything there is to know about certain people (namely, people who have gone against me).

Oh, I do know everything there is for me to know about women. People are different. I know what a woman is in my mind, that will never change. Love is nothing but a fantastical creation to fill the void people feel inside in their souls. No real thrills is self-induced. They are all some stimulant of the mind. Love is not a stimulant. I have gone through enough girls and women to assure you everything I know is nothing less than truth. Dismiss as a youth that has no experience, as everyone else does, but if you feel truely about love, surely you (or anyone else) can answer me with an ounce of factual logic. I have experienced all kinds of girls; as for my mother, that is a non-issue, she tried her best for me, I don't blame her for anything. I was raised in a good way, my parents provided a crutch when I was down, letting me experience the World on my own. I have learned more this way than any other person. I look at my peers and they are not my equals. They are sheltered pussies with no comprehension for anything intellectual. This isn't to make me out as an elitist, but with my own experience, added on to knowledge of older people, hearing countless stories, and the like, I know what a woman is.

[boardsofcanada]

You don't need to respect people at all to know them. I know everything there is to know about certain people (namely, people who have gone against me).

Oh, I do know everything there is for me to know about women. People are different. I know what a woman is in my mind, that will never change. Love is nothing but a fantastical creation to fill the void people feel inside in their souls. No real thrills is self-induced. They are all some stimulant of the mind. Love is not a stimulant. I have gone through enough girls and women to assure you everything I know is nothing less than truth. Dismiss as a youth that has no experience, as everyone else does, but if you feel truely about love, surely you (or anyone else) can answer me with an ounce of factual logic. I have experienced all kinds of girls; as for my mother, that is a non-issue, she tried her best for me, I don't blame her for anything. I was raised in a good way, my parents provided a crutch when I was down, letting me experience the World on my own. I have learned more this way than any other person. I look at my peers and they are not my equals. They are sheltered pussies with no comprehension for anything intellectual. This isn't to make me out as an elitist, but with my own experience, added on to knowledge of older people, hearing countless stories, and the like, I know what a woman is.

Sound familiar?

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/519/02xv9.jpg

McDermott: If they have a great personality and they're not great looking... then who fucking cares?
Bateman: Well, let's just say hypothetically ok? What if they have a great personality?
[pause, all laugh]
Bateman: I know, I know.
Bateman, McDermott, Van Patten: [in unison] There are no girls with good personalities.
Van Patten: A good personality consists of a chick with a little hard body, who will satisfy all sexual demands without being too slutty about things, and who essentially will keep her dumb fucking mouth shut.
McDermott: The only girls with good personalities who are smart or maybe funny or halfway intelligent or talented, though God knows what the fuck that means, are ugly chicks.
Van Patten: Absolutely.
McDermott: And this is because they have to make up for how fucking unnattractive they are

[Angelfuck]

1) Every person who has ever been in relationships has "failed" in them unless they are still with the person
:action-sm
I wont say Ive never been in a relationship that didnt go anywhere, sure it hurts when it ends, but like I said, most people aren't meant to be together
2) The advice they give I have seen work all the time
I didnt say it wouldnt work
3) The advice i've seen girls give NEVER works, b/c women don't know what they want
Ill give you that, more women than not let their emotions confuse them, but emotions in general confuse men
4) My life experiences have proved what they (people like glenn daddy, b54, and basically every guy on here) said is true
keep approaching a situation the same way and you are going to get the same outcome
5) Yes
:p
as little as women know about what they want men know even less, except glenn, he has some damn fine points especially when it comes to manning up and chilling out, girls freak internally when a guy cant control his own emotions
You don't need to respect people at all to know them. I know everything there is to know about certain people (namely, people who have gone against me).

Oh, I do know everything there is for me to know about women. People are different. I know what a woman is in my mind, that will never change. Love is nothing but a fantastical creation to fill the void people feel inside in their souls. No real thrills is self-induced. They are all some stimulant of the mind. Love is not a stimulant. I have gone through enough girls and women to assure you everything I know is nothing less than truth. Dismiss as a youth that has no experience, as everyone else does, but if you feel truely about love, surely you (or anyone else) can answer me with an ounce of factual logic. I have experienced all kinds of girls; as for my mother, that is a non-issue, she tried her best for me, I don't blame her for anything. I was raised in a good way, my parents provided a crutch when I was down, letting me experience the World on my own. I have learned more this way than any other person. I look at my peers and they are not my equals. They are sheltered pussies with no comprehension for anything intellectual. This isn't to make me out as an elitist, but with my own experience, added on to knowledge of older people, hearing countless stories, and the like, I know what a woman is.

If I knew what you were asking Im sure I could answer you :huh:

you misunderstood me, I wasnt saying you have to respect someone to know them, I was saying that taking the time to get to know someone as a person shows respect, and if it's genuine, that respect will transfer onto how they treat you.
I wasnt dismissing your opinion because of your youth or lack of experience. I was just saying that the girls you have dated are girls, teenage girls for the most part of the most selfish, confused, and fickle people on the planet. and I wasnt disrespecting your mom, I was just assuming its the only woman you've truly known.

[boardsofcanada]

I wont say Ive never been in a relationship that didnt go anywhere, sure it hurts when it ends, but like I said, most people aren't meant to be together

^this has nothing to do with it. You were questioning how good their advice was, so i responded by saying unless you have been in one relationship your whole life and have never broken up, you have been in failed relationships

I didnt say it wouldnt work

^You were questioning the advices worth b/c of the source

Ill give you that, more women than not let their emotions confuse them, but emotions in general confuse men

"whaa"

keep approaching a situation the same way and you are going to get the same outcome

^I never said about approaching any situation any way. I never said whether i tried their advice and it didn't work or i tried girls advice and it didn't work.


as little as women know about what they want men know even less, except glenn, he has some damn fine points especially when it comes to manning up and chilling out, girls freak internally when a guy cant control his own emotions


^ That's extremely assuming and just simply not true

[Cunt Smasher]

Most of the really good advice is the "don't fucking do what I did" kind.Most of my fucked up relationships have been my fault.Remember Jimmy going on about being a total douche,writing stupid notes to girls like"I'll walk past your house at 10:00,if you like me,turn your light off and on 3 times"? I laughed really hard at that one,it did hit very close to home.
Alot of us,being men and having to be the "tough guy" don't deal well with emotions,so getting fucked over a few times,we will NOT put ourselves in a position to be hurt again.In the long run,prolly not the best thing,but gets you by for awhile.That really special woman will get through the armor I think.

[B54]

If I knew what you were asking Im sure I could answer you :huh:

Don't worry about, unless you believe in love. If you do, expound on the emotion (without the "you'll know when it happens" bullshit).

you misunderstood me, I wasnt saying you have to respect someone to know them, I was saying that taking the time to get to know someone as a person shows respect, and if it's genuine, that respect will transfer onto how they treat you.
I wasnt dismissing your opinion because of your youth or lack of experience. I was just saying that the girls you have dated are girls, teenage girls for the most part of the most selfish, confused, and fickle people on the planet. and I wasnt disrespecting your mom, I was just assuming its the only woman you've truly known.

How much of a person can you ever know? None. The emotions I feel inside me are unsharable for the most part, my inner desires, what I tell people is a simple portion of what my being is. People don't garner respect from me, I expect none in return, I am myself, people are themselves. My inside World is kept where it belongs, inside me.

Understandable. But I'm not limited to teenagers as far as dating goes and by no means are the people I have talked to. I didn't take any dis-respect to mother from you, and even if you did, what do I care?

The only thing seperating girl from woman is age. Once a piece of trash, always a piece of trash. People never change.

[Angelfuck]

Don't worry about, unless you believe in love. If you do, expound on the emotion (without the "you'll know when it happens" bullshit).

love is unexplainable, the reason people say you'll know when it happens it because they cant explain it but they feel it, feelings are hard to explain.
you'll know when you start considering the other person in everything you do, when making them happy makes you happy, when you know the other person has your best interests in mind and you dont have to shield your feelings, essentially, when you stop looking out for yourself and start looking out for each other you know you're in love

[boardsofcanada]

love is unexplainable, the reason people say you'll know when it happens it because they cant explain it but they feel it, feelings are hard to explain.
you'll know when you start considering the other person in everything you do, when making them happy makes you happy, when you know the other person has your best interests in mind and you dont have to shield your feelings, essentially, when you stop looking out for yourself and start looking out for each other you know you're in love

I missed this romantic comedy. Which one is it?

[Cunt Smasher]

love is unexplainable, the reason people say you'll know when it happens it because they cant explain it but they feel it, feelings are hard to explain.
you'll know when you start considering the other person in everything you do, when making them happy makes you happy, when you know the other person has your best interests in mind and you dont have to shield your feelings, essentially, when you stop looking out for yourself and start looking out for each other you know you're in love
Gotta agree 100%,my problem was,I found that and couldn't have it.First time in my life I could really really be honest about my feelings,and completely without fear.Wonderful feeling.

[Angelfuck]

[B]I didnt say it wouldnt work

^You were questioning the advices worth b/c of the source

no, I wasn't. Ive seen the same advice given and taken many times, I never said it wouldn't work but Ive never seen it work out. I cant even respond to any of your other statements since you didnt give any reasons for them.

[B54]

love is unexplainable, the reason people say you'll know when it happens it because they cant explain it but they feel it, feelings are hard to explain.
you'll know when you start considering the other person in everything you do, when making them happy makes you happy, when you know the other person has your best interests in mind and you dont have to shield your feelings, essentially, when you stop looking out for yourself and start looking out for each other you know you're in love

Same bullshit cliche answer along with the rest of them.

People don't make me happy. Complex to understand? People don't and will never give me happiness. The only thing even close to satisifaction I can experience from another human is in a sexual nature.

My feelings, un-shielded? You don't even know .0001% of me. If I exposed my true-self to another human being, they would recoil.

The only person in this World that matters is myself, no one else. You may say you care for another person so much that you would do anything for them. Bullshit. People are animals. Selfish, self-loathing animals.

Gotta agree 100%,my problem was,I found that and couldn't have it.First time in my life I could really really be honest about my feelings,and completely without fear.Wonderful feeling.

Tell me, how did you feel about your wife when you became something. Similar, no?

[Angelfuck]

orrrr.... maybe youre just a sociopath and thinks everyone else is too... but you're probably just emo :rolleyes:

[boardsofcanada]

no, I wasn't. Ive seen the same advice given and taken many times, I never said it wouldn't work but Ive never seen it work out. I cant even respond to any of your other statements since you didnt give any reasons for them.

so you would take advice from guys who have failed in their relationships rather than from a girl who's worked through a lot to maintain a good relationship for a long time.

Yea, you did.

I gave a reason for everything you said except for the last part, which needs no reason. Most of what you said didn't relate to what i was even talking about anyway.

[Angelfuck]

ok, you lost me "whaa" I could ask "why?" to at least three of your statements but at this point I dont care what your reasons are, I have a steak to cook

[B54]

orrrr.... maybe youre just a sociopath and thinks everyone else is too... but you're probably just emo :rolleyes:

You never did answer my question. Emotions are explainable if they are true. What you gave me was cliche bullshit from any Soap Opera.

I may be sociopathic, but I see it as realism. You can not disagree with me that people have ulterior motives regarding trust.

[boardsofcanada]

ok, you lost me "whaa" I could ask "why?" to at least three of your statements but at this point I dont care what your reasons are, I have a steak to cook

At least 5 of your statements were completely off from what i said.

[TreeFortRichard]

I used this color because it is soothing...

One thing i haven't seen mentioned is that I am pretty sure this girl has huge issues with her father. I know that sounds cliche, but from your description it seems as if she was using you to fill a comfort niche, the void left by the lack of a solid male role model in her life. The fact that she is so reluctant to even commit to a next level relationship with you, all the while still clinging to you shows that she is probably afraid to connect with you and get let down.
You mentioned she had issues. You don't have to answer, but If they are daddy issues then that is what the problem is....If not then carry on...
Half of the shit mentioned in this thread already is the cause of this kind of reaction. If guys try to game to get a girl and mess with their psyche then when they eventually break up every trick used to get the girl will be called into question by the girl and further distance her from connecting.
When I first started going out with my now wife she was apprehensive about some next step connections. She had been in a bad relationship when she was younger and was afraid to love me because I had never connected with someone enough to have my heart broken the way that she had. Through communication and not mind games she found a new, fresh love in the love that I had for her. In essence she 'reset' her heart and started anew with me...I know, fucking corny, but that is a fact.

[Angelfuck]

You never did answer my question. Emotions are explainable if they are true. What you gave me was cliche bullshit from any Soap Opera.

I may be sociopathic, but I see it as realism. You can not disagree with me that people have ulterior motives regarding trust.

dude, I would think you at least know Im not the soap opera type of chick. I told you how it is with me. I cant explain how it feels to be in love.
ask balzac why he trusts me, because I have never given him any reason not to. you are seriously looking to deep into this whole thing, here comes another cliche, when you stop trying to analyze it, it gets a lot easier

[Sack of Chisels]

I may be sociopathic, but I see it as realism. You can not disagree with me that people have ulterior motives regarding trust.
You have a pretty twisted sense of reality then, and while I can sympathize with your feelings of distrust and paranoia, you're making everything out to be too god damn grim. There's not a lot anyone can say to change your mind, but as you get older and meet more people I think your bitter opinions will change.

[B54]

dude, I would think you at least know Im not the soap opera type of chick. I told you how it is with me. I cant explain how it feels to be in love.
ask balzac why he trusts me, because I have never given him any reason not to. you are seriously looking to deep into this whole thing, here comes another cliche, when you stop trying to analyze it, it gets a lot easier

Neither have a lot of people to me. I'm not looking too deep into anything, I simply said what I believe.

You have a pretty twisted sense of reality then, and while I can sympathize with your feelings of distrust and paranoia, you're making everything out to be too god damn grim. There's not a lot anyone can say to change your mind, but as you get older and meet more people I think your bitter opinions will change.

Yeah, I would imagine I have a twisted sense to you because my brain doesn't look at the World the way your's does. Trust is impossible to me. I'm not trying to make anything grim, I'm not bitter, I have tons of friends and am popular in School. It isn't like I'm about to shoot up the school. I don't have bitter opinions. I just state a fact and the only response people give me is, emotion, emotion, emotion; its all emotion, something I don't have.

[Glenn Dandy]

maybe thats where youre going wrong, not putting "much stock into a girl" is pretty much saying you dont respect them, and as much as people need to earn respect, you have to have a certain amount of respect off the bat. if you approach someone as selfish, then you are going to act selfishly - looking out for yourself, and they in turn will only act selfishly back.
patrice is right, the other person cant take for granted the fact that you choose to be with them, but I think you're wrong about letting them know you can leave whenever you want. and although people do need to prove themselves, if you handle a person with that idea in mind it can be a major roadblock. choke on this has the right idea, you just gotta find someone you can chill with, no predispositions
If a girl likes you thats no cover she'll be on you.

[frankjg]

We'll need her Myspace page for further analysis..

See Boba Douche for further reference

[Radioguy]

I may be sociopathic...

Obviously I don't know you well enough to know if you're just trying to be provocative, which does come across, but if you're really admitting to the possibility that is true, it's something you should really should pursue with someone in the mental health field.

[tstlkevanilla]

O c,mon.

Statisticly lets compare battered woman to guys who got their hearts ripped out.

Im sorry that happened to you, but it doesnt excuse all the cunts who made most of us men bitter assholes.

I think youll find statisticly men these days get abused away more, through courts, cops,and cheating.
I would almost love a beating over the shit ive been dragged through. Ever been to prison because of a lying cunt? because she needs disposable income?

Ever been arrested at your house because of a lieing cunt that just punched you 40 times because you dont love her.

go from a respected person in your town to a woman beater, scorned by your friends because some chic wants revenge, when she cheated on you and you didnt say , OK.

Everyone sides with the woman... if you stayed in that relationship... yeah your fault.
Ive been systematicly wronged. not a fucking thing i could do about it.

Well obviously I eventually got out of that relationship and moved on with life. Did I hate all men? No. But did I trust them? No.

Did I sit and feel sorry for myself? NO. I did what I had to do to raise my kids.

Life goes the fuck on.

[BeerBelly]

it's silly just be yourself like big AAAAAAA ahem

[LBF]

Anyone who answers any statement with...."I'm not that into it," should be shot in the face with an old German 88.

[WOWmagnet]

Yeah he blew it. Gotta be more aloof than that. Don't wimper, cower or beg, EVER and most of em will eat out of your (hand).