I'm a real independant type of guy

[MrBogey]

I want a president who'll make sure I never pay more than a few nickels for gas. I also want him to guarantee that I have excellent free healthcare, a decent house, no debt, and a nice job.

If it's not too much I expect the president to also make sure there's no traffic problems in my city. He also needs to do something about the crime in my area. It's his job. That's why we elected him president!

Oh, and he needs to stay out of my life and not tell me what I can do. That's what I want... a gov't that tells everyone else what to do except for me. Because that's me...a real free-thinker who thinks we need more freedoms.

/sarcasm

:fight6: :fight6: :fight6:

Seriously, anyone else getting tired of people expecting gov't at the highest levels to do things for them?

[Glenn Dandy]

Why did ya ad the sarcasm tags. made sense to me.

I dont want them to do shit for... I just them to stop taking from me.

400.00 a month for gasoline? 100.00 to watch TV? 100.00 to talk on a phone? NJ real estate taxes? car insurance companys? Criminals being glorified in our culture?

My quality of life blows because of these things. I would hope a president voted in by me might give a flying fuck about my quality of life.

bottom line stop writting self serving laws not for the people but to line your pockets... thats all i WANT!

In the old days the citizens Quality of life mattered...The government is the only thing bigger than an enourmus corperation... and When it sees it citizens getting ass banged it should step in. They do work for us after all. SUPPOSIDLY.

Until presidential election reform happens special interest will never be mine or your so expect it? yes, I expect it over a corperations interst.

[martianvirus]

So, you want to government to supply you with a job, healthcare and a house? And just forgive your debt?



or was the whole thing sarcasm? “whaa”

[MrBogey]

For the gov't to give it has to take.

People expect the gov't to take care of them. It takes care of the majority at the expense of the minority in a democratic gov't because numbers are power.

All I want is the gov't to not care about the things I should be taking care of. I don't need them trying to feed me, clothe, me, medicate me, or help me. I can take care of myself, make my own decisions, and suffer or prosper because of them.

I'm just tired of every bad thing causing people to run to the gov't. And every good thing for them to credit to the gov't.

[Glenn Dandy]

the only problem with not taking care of the scum, is if they do starve and lose sewage and proper medical care... they will contaminate the country with disease.

Just look at other countrys where the savages are left to their own laurals.

[martianvirus]

World Peace is for fags.

[Glenn Dandy]

I think we should all get health care... Its kinda bullshit some asshat from another country gets it when he arrives and ever welfare loser... yet after being a productive citizen in this country I cant afford a doctor or dentist.

Or when I am in dire need and go It ends up a payment... Christ had my ass scoped 2500 bucks... just to look at my ass? they say o got a roid... ok, thanks ...cant afford to fix it thanks for the anal invasion been fun... Ill go start makin payments seeya in a year.

On so many levels shits just fucked up...., theres no common sense left. ryme or reason.

[LiddyRules]

Wow, that's clever.

[martianvirus]

I think we should all get health care... Its kinda bullshit some asshat from another country gets it when he arrives and ever welfare loser... yet after being a productive citizen in this country I cant afford a doctor or dentist.
.The main reason for that is people in other countries have no options. In the USA people have all kinds of opportunity. It's there. You don't need the government to help you out. You can do it on your own.

[MrBogey]

I want a president who only cares about 2 things.

1. No foreigner of any kind is fucking over an American
2. The country as a whole is stable and peaceful.

Let the governors worry about their states. Let the mayors worry about their cities. Let me worry about my family and that's it. I don't need anyone else worrying about how I'm doing. Just do their damn glorified managerial job and leave me alone.

[Glenn Dandy]

I want a president who only cares about 2 things.

1. No foreigner of any kind is fucking over an American
2. The country as a whole is stable and peaceful.

Let the governors worry about their states. Let the mayors worry about their cities. Let me worry about my family and that's it. I don't need anyone else worrying about how I'm doing. Just do their damn glorified managerial job and leave me alone.in a perfect world... your way is called evolution its illegal in America.
The golfer town would go to hell. disease and crime would skyrocket, eventualy spreading to your town to steal... at that point comes the illegal part. killin .

Politiacal correctness is a slow death.

Im somewhat ignorent as to Apartide... the African thing? Is that sort of how that goes? the rich whites keep to themselves and dont help the rest of the country? Just askin? no idea.

[MrBogey]

No it wouldn't.

Scum comes around and tries to rob me. They get shot. It's garbage that we've conditioned people into accepting the existance of parasites.

Apartheid was a system of political and social seperation. It allowed a minority white population to maintain dominance of the nation by keeping the larger but politically weaker black population in a closed political and social system. It really stunk but was the best way to go about keeping the country stable considering the colonialism created inequality. As we've seen, without it the country has gone to hell.

[Glenn Dandy]

yeah, i should read more about Africa... seems to me our currant socialization is kinda headed in that direction. I honestly cant imagine how they expect two completly different cultures to co exist together.

I subscribe to your point of view , I try to not exist on the radar of government...If I truly hated paying these outragous bills so much. I have options. I could move somewhere cheaper....nicer.

I just easily get angered when big business just turns the screws to the common man.

We both know the real answer to this question. "1955"

[NoSurviivors]

I thought we were supposed to be some kind of melting pot or some shit.


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[Schmed]

Free Health care = No good doctors, no reason to be good, no $$ to be made. The Dems complain about Walter Reed, free health care would result in all hospitals being like that.

"Nickels for Gas", go to Venezuela and live under a socialist dictator, ole punkin' head.

Why the fuck to I pay $40.00 for water ?

[weakside]

Some of my views:

Gun Control: Against. The problem isn’t people who legally buy guns, it’s the ones who buy them illegally. I say make it easier for people who legally want to purchase guns but increase the penalties for those who didn’t.

Death Penalty: For. Some people have simply proven that they are beyond redemption. No, I understand it’s not a deterrent for crime but they sure as hell won’t be a plague on society any longer.

Military: Keep strong. Yes, I know a lot of tax dollars go here but I like the fact I can wake up in the morning to a neighborhood that has not been bombed and some solider telling me I am now a citizen of China. We are so lucky to be Americans.

Gay Marriage: For. Who cares? Companies started giving benefits to life partners years ago anyway. Hate just leads to prejudice.

Abortion: For. Don’t believe the bullshit the religious right is spewing out. This is about controlling women, not protecting children. For that matter…

Religious Right: Against. The Framers knew what they were doing when they decided to keep church and state separate. You want to worship your God or Gods, fine. I just don’t want any political decisions because of it. Most of this organization is made of nuts who want to destroy everything remotely risqué’ so they can decide what you should be watching or listening to. I am not a child.

National Health Care: Against. Yes its expensive, but we have the best medical treatment in the world. That comes at price.

Welfare: Restructure. I understand that welfare is not the most major factor of the federal budget. But to me that is not really the point as we are not teaching people anything by just giving them handouts. Cut the timeline for welfare benefits to six months and during that time provide job skills training, money management techniques, and job placement services. If they go to the classes they can keep receiving benefits for the full six months but after that they are done.

Welfare as related to children: Undecided. To be honest I struggled with this one. I don’t think children should be made to suffer the poor choices their guardians made but yet I can’t think of a plan that could not be abused by their family.

Tort control: For. You bring a bullshit lawsuit to court not only do you have to pay for the other persons attorney, you should be fined. These lawsuits are killing our court system. Plus this would help the health care system.

General political stance: Fiscally conservative but socially liberal. I tend to vote for democrats though because of the social issues. I do have hope for Gulianni though as he seems to be for a lot of the same things I am.

[brose]

Some of my views:

Gun Control: Against. The problem isn’t people who legally buy guns, it’s the ones who buy them illegally. I say make it easier for people who legally want to purchase guns but increase the penalties for those who didn’t.

Death Penalty: For. Some people have simply proven that they are beyond redemption. No, I understand it’s not a deterrent for crime but they sure as hell won’t be a plague on society any longer.

Military: Keep strong. Yes, I know a lot of tax dollars go here but I like the fact I can wake up in the morning to a neighborhood that has not been bombed and some solider telling me I am now a citizen of China. We are so lucky to be Americans.

Gay Marriage: For. Who cares? Companies started giving benefits to life partners years ago anyway. Hate just leads to prejudice.

Abortion: For. Don’t believe the bullshit the religious right is spewing out. This is about controlling women, not protecting children. For that matter…

Religious Right: Against. The Framers knew what they were doing when they decided to keep church and state separate. You want to worship your God or Gods, fine. I just don’t want any political decisions because of it. Most of this organization is made of nuts who want to destroy everything remotely risqué’ so they can decide what you should be watching or listening to. I am not a child.

National Health Care: Against. Yes its expensive, but we have the best medical treatment in the world. That comes at price.

Welfare: Restructure. I understand that welfare is not the most major factor of the federal budget. But to me that is not really the point as we are not teaching people anything by just giving them handouts. Cut the timeline for welfare benefits to six months and during that time provide job skills training, money management techniques, and job placement services. If they go to the classes they can keep receiving benefits for the full six months but after that they are done.

Welfare as related to children: Undecided. To be honest I struggled with this one. I don’t think children should be made to suffer the poor choices their guardians made but yet I can’t think of a plan that could not be abused by their family.

Tort control: For. You bring a bullshit lawsuit to court not only do you have to pay for the other persons attorney, you should be fined. These lawsuits are killing our court system. Plus this would help the health care system.

General political stance: Fiscally conservative but socially liberal. I tend to vote for democrats though because of the social issues. I do have hope for Gulianni though as he seems to be for a lot of the same things I am.

Its nice to see some people still have their head screwed on tight and aren't just a mouthpiece for the democrats or republicans. I agree with everything you've said here, and hopefully someday the rest of America will realize not everything is Left or Right. Partisan politics are going to destroy us eventually unless we gain some common sense.

Your views on the religious right are pretty much dead on. I am religious, and I am more or less conservative on social issues, but I don't see that it is religions job to censor things for the masses. I think we all forget that we are responsible for our own actions and want to blame big business or government when we see some boobies on tv or whatever. The religious groups just need to calm down and take care of themselves before they try to change the whole damn world.

[TrybalRage]

Psst. See sig.

[Larz]

So, you want to government to supply you with a job, healthcare and a house? And just forgive your debt?


Isn't that what the government did in South Dakota a couple of years ago when they reversed the decision to shut down Ellsworth? It was deemed a redundant base but everyone screamed bloody murder because of the potential Job losses. If i remember correctly its the largest employer in the state.

[Norton's Hog]

Psst. See sig.
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There are some good points in this thread that I can agree with.

I think most of us don't want the government to be the world's babysitter. While we shouldn't neccessarily ignore the poor and less fortunate, the way the system is currently set up only adds to their reliance upon it.

Our countries borders should be less open.
A melting pot is one thing, but when it grows to the point of ignoring the rights of its natural citizens to compensate for the overload of illegal aliens and newly americanized foreigners, then some type of balance should be in placed.

weaksidetackle makes a lot good points.

The religious right should have no part in the politics of this country.
It's ok to be religious, but to impose your standards of morality upon others and to think "my way is the only way", can only add to more separation between the classes.

National health care is a tricky issue.
While you don't want people to suffer because the can't afford it, socialized healthcare does bring down the overall quality of service to the entire country.

Overall, I hope we all can agree that the system needs changes. And not from any politician that placates to any one side or is influenced by campaign contributions from big business.
We need leaders that are immune from that influence, who don't treat their position as a power trip over the competition.

Liberal extremism or Conservative extremism is not the answer.
It's the "us vs them" mentality that divides this country, instead of looking at the big picture at what's best for every american, not just what faction one thinks they represent.

[Schmed]

Its nice to see some people still have their head screwed on tight and aren't just a mouthpiece for the democrats or republicans. I agree with everything you've said here, and hopefully someday the rest of America will realize not everything is Left or Right. Partisan politics are going to destroy us eventually unless we gain some common sense.

Your views on the religious right are pretty much dead on. I am religious, and I am more or less conservative on social issues, but I don't see that it is religions job to censor things for the masses. I think we all forget that we are responsible for our own actions and want to blame big business or government when we see some boobies on tv or whatever. The religious groups just need to calm down and take care of themselves before they try to change the whole damn world.

I'm with him too, except with abortion, I am against late term where they have to take the baby apart, if you are going to abort, get it done within the first tri-mester, there is no reason to wait so long, go to "Planned Parenthood", or as I call it "Un-Planned Parent in the hood". So far the only candidate I am for is Tancredo, he is the only one voicing anything against illegal immigration.

[B54]

The Presidental vote has the biggest turn-out (which is still mid-50%) and the candidates that matter most (city council) are the ones no one cares to vote on.

If you go down to city council when they have open-fourm with a couple friends, then you can get some actual change.

[weakside]

Liberal extremism or Conservative extremism is not the answer.
It's the "us vs them" mentality that divides this country, instead of looking at the big picture at what's best for every american, not just what faction one thinks they represent.

You are so right on with this statement. We need more candidates to subscribe to this ideology.

[YourAmishDaddy]

Any kind of real change in this country has to be made from the bottom up. No matter how you throw rocks at the top of the shitheap nothing's going to change.

Look at the GOP. As despicable as they are they have to as a movement be admired. After being trounced for years they mobilized their people at the municipal and district levels. Carried that on to capture state houses and senates which led to a massive state level sea change that gave them a majority of gubernatorial spots and it set the stage for 1994. After decades of work all of it paid off.

For any alternative party or political movement organization is key. It takes a ton of work, and a lot of time. The question to be asked is is this country worth it? If the answer is yes then some hard work has to be done to save it.

[Schmed]

What happened to a "Government for the people, by the people" ?

Let's see how far Fred Thompson gets ("Law and Order", "Hunt for Red October").

http://www.fred08.com/

[Norton's Hog]

You are so right on with this statement. We need more candidates to subscribe to this ideology.
That's exactly the whole point.
Too many people buy into what they think they want to hear (from their politicians) instead of actually looking into the background and influences of the poliicians themselves.

Most people don't want to do the work, and will read these posts and automatically answer with the hack responses like "fuck you, you agenda driven pinkos...you're just hurting the troops with your anti war slander!"..

The simple fact is, is that I care about the troops first, and after actually doing some real research, (instead of buying into the "kill '''em all" FOX bullshit that the more simple minded like to preach.) (makes your ego feel secure, doesn't it, sparky...)..anyway I digress....the facts are that our troops are being taken advantage of, and we have been force fed the lles about this whole situation for too long.

eh, this is wackbag, a silly board (but my favorite board!) about a comedy driven radio show; so political issues usually either follow the beliefs of the show members or things tend to get out of control with the few extremists that have the time to post here.
So in other words I realize what I'm dealing with here. I just hope the rational people reading this KNOW what we are talking about, and they don't just blindly follow the ridiculous, ignorant, self-righteous asses that believe that "it's either their way, or you should be shot" mentality.

There should be smilies with sheep with clappy hands for them.....

[Hudson]

I guess you would consider me as a Nutjob ...Close the boarders and fix what is wrong internally....Taxes (it is too difficult for the poor to understand and file tax returns), Crime, Defense, College Grants, Executing People on Death Row Faster, and Healthcare... our taxes should pay for the old...