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abudabit
04-11-2007, 05:12 PM
A 37-year-old man charged with manslaughter in the shooting death of a 7-year-old boy Tuesday told sheriff's deputies he was trying out some new ammunition by target shooting in his backyard when the boy was shot, according to court documents.

Seven-year-old Daniel Galicia died after a bullet from a .22-caliber rifle struck him while he was jumping on a trampoline with friends at a home on High Road in rural Hays County.


Larry Kolvoord
AMERICAN-STATESMAN


Jose Barrera Espitia, who lives near the house where Daniel and four other children were playing, has been charged with manslaughter, a second-degree felony that carries a maximum punishment of 20 years in prison. He remains in the Hays County Jail and bail has not been set, the sheriff's office said.

Early this morning, authorities arrested Espitia and found the rifle they believe fired the fatal shot, the sheriff's office said. Espitia told deputies that he didn't know that Daniel and the other children were playing in the yard and couldn't see the yard from his home, according to court documents. He believed he had hit his wooden target with each shot fired, he told deputies, and had no idea that anyone had been injured.

An initial phone call to authorities around 7:30 p.m. indicated Daniel had fallen from the trampoline, authorities said. Then a second call came in saying the boy had been shot and CPR was in progress.

When Emergency Medical Services workers arrived, they rushed Galicia to Brackenridge Hospital, where he died shortly after his arrival, according to the sheriff's office.

Hays County Sheriff's spokesman Leroy Opiela said deputies began canvassing the area near the boy's house, talking to anyone who might have known who was firing shots.

A neighbor, Felix Rangel, told deputies that he heard about five or six shots come from a cluster of houses north of the boy's house at about the same time that the boy was injured, according to court documents.

Investigators then obtained a search warrant for Espitia's home, about a third of a mile from where Daniel and other children were playing on the trampoline in an area of farmland and mobile homes east of Kyle.



Daniel was a first-grader at Hemphill Elementary School in Kyle, said Hemphill principal Mike Hanson. The boy was "just a great little kid" with a cherubic face, a big smile and a buzz-cut haircut that his classmates loved to touch, Hanson said. Counselors were at the school this morning to talk to teachers and students and the district will be sending a letter home explaining what happened, district officials said. Daniel's class and teacher are in shock, Hanson said.

Daniel's cousin Beatriz Diaz, 21, said Daniel would get home from school, do his homework, then leap on the trampoline behind the house where his cousins live. When the children were on the trampoline Tuesday night, shots rang out from "somewhere up there," Diaz said, motioning with her chin to a row of yellow, gray and blue mobile homes.

Diaz stood a few yards from the trampoline, where the family dog was sleeping and an empty hammock swung from the tree next to it. Her nose was red from crying.

"We're all kind of shocked," she said. "Those kids would jump every day on the trampoline and nothing happened until last night."

Jose Rangel, 21, lives near the Galicia family in a mobile home down a gravel road. He said his family has known the Galicias for years and that his parents and Daniel's parents knew each other in Mexico.

Rangel said he was at the scene last night and tried to resuscitate Daniel with help from 911 operators.

"We were touching his shirt, but it was soaked in blood," Rangel said. "We tried to do what we could, but nothing was working in his body."


"He was probably just shooting for fun," Rangel said of Espitia. "But the only time we ever hear gunshots around here, usually, is during New Year's."

"Hays County is still a rural county, and people move here and think it is OK to shoot," Opiela said. "Houses in this area are pretty close together, and if you are shooting the wrong direction, something can happen like it did last night.

"We feel like it was reckless on his part to be shooting," he said.

Diaz said Daniel's parents, Faustina and Julio Galicia, are planning to bury Daniel in Mexico.

Rangel said the shooting worries him and his family.

"I have a little sister who is a year and a half (old)," he said, looking at the little girl. "You move out of the city to feel safe and something like this happens. I can't feel safe anymore."

Staff writer Tony Plohetski contributed to this story.


Just goes to show, never plink from an elevated point. Not sure how far away he was but he didn't see the kid and the kid didn't see him.

MrBogey
04-11-2007, 05:49 PM
The anti-gun zealots are gonna love this.

mosin38
04-11-2007, 05:50 PM
ALWAYS have a suitable backstop behind your target. I'm tired of assholes like this giving us gun owners a bad name.

abudabit
04-11-2007, 06:14 PM
ALWAYS have a suitable backstop behind your target. I'm tired of assholes like this giving us gun owners a bad name.

Yep. The dummy probably thought that just cause it was a .22 it was safe to shoot. He's an alcoholic Mexican in a trailer park though, what do you expect? Sounds like one of Ant's dad's friends, he was another drunk shooting trailer park mexican who shot a kid.

Coffee Diva
04-11-2007, 06:16 PM
Remember when good aim was something to be celebrated?

brose
04-11-2007, 06:33 PM
ALWAYS have a suitable backstop behind your target. I'm tired of assholes like this giving us gun owners a bad name.

Absolutely. This crap and people who don't know to UNLOAD a gun before the clean the damn thing give the anti-gun lobby all the ammo the need. They need to make you take an IQ test to be able to buy a gun.

B54
04-11-2007, 06:55 PM
One Mexican kid dead, another going to prison. Happy time.

mosin38
04-11-2007, 09:20 PM
One Mexican kid dead, another going to prison. Happy time.

You make a good point.


I think people should be required to take a gun safety course before being able to buy a gun. There’s just to many retards out there. You have to take a hunters safety course in order to get a hunting licence, so it just stands to reason in my opinion.

MrBogey
04-11-2007, 10:08 PM
You make a good point.


I think people should be required to take a gun safety course before being able to buy a gun. There’s just to many retards out there. You have to take a hunters safety course in order to get a hunting licence, so it just stands to reason in my opinion.

Do you have to take a course in public speaking or how to vote before you're allowed to do either?

Live free or die.

THE FEZ MAN
04-11-2007, 10:31 PM
i think manslaughter is a little much, and yea the gun grabbers are going to love this shit

jpc165
04-12-2007, 12:37 AM
speaking of guns..

i just got my license to carry approved!!

now my road rage will get ever zannier.

mosin38
04-12-2007, 01:03 AM
Do you have to take a course in public speaking or how to vote before you're allowed to do either?

Live free or die.

I get your point. I typed that somewhat annoyed at the asshole who shot the kid. Don't get me wrong, I'm not some anti-gun pussy. I think machineguns should still be produced for civilian sales, and that the government should be selling us surplus m16s through the CMP. I just think everybody should know how to safely handle and use a firearm by the time their 18.

Sam_Adams
04-12-2007, 01:53 AM
WTF, how could a 22LR kill something from 587 yards? The bullet would only have like 12foot pounds of power left or something near that amount.

But that guy was a moron for shooting from a hill and not having a backstop. You can get away with not having a backstop behind your target when you're on level ground and have a mile or so behind your target through a wooded area. The only way you could hurt someone would be from a richochet and by the time it got anywhere it wouldnt have much power left.

brose
04-12-2007, 02:42 AM
WTF, how could a 22LR kill something from 587 yards? The bullet would only have like 12foot pounds of power left or something near that amount.


22LR is deadly at distances up to and exceeding 1 mile if unobstructed. 587 yards isn't even half a mile, so it would definantley be able to kill somebody. It loses accuracy after ~150 yards, but a fluke shot from a mountain top can travel miles and still have enough force to kill. I don't know how to calculate the foot pounds of power, but I dont think its obsurd to expect this shot to kill. Just my 2 cents, feel free to tell me how dumb I am though, because I'm sure I'm not 100% right...even though it says 1 mile on the package I don't know the physics behind it.

I found a table with some ballistics of a .22 LR:

Range Velocity Energy Momentum Mx. Ord. Defl. Drop Lead Time
yards f.p.s. ft-lb. lb.-sec. in. in. in. in/mph sec.
0 1000 88.8 0.1776 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.000
239 771 52.8 0.1370 32.8 18.8 120.3 14.5 0.824
478 611 33.1 0.1085 169.2 76.9 577.2 32.9 1.871
717 484 20.8 0.0860 493.9 183.3 1568.1 56.2 3.192
956 383 13.1 0.0681 1146.7 350.7 3402.4 85.5 4.860
1195 304 8.2 0.0540 2370.1 595.1 6563.6 122.6 6.966

The chart doesn't look so great when its posted, the number are too crunched together, but at 478 yards it has 33.1 ft.-lbs. of energy. At 717 yards 20.8 ft.-lbs. Just FYI.

Sam_Adams
04-12-2007, 04:53 AM
22LR is deadly at distances up to and exceeding 1 mile if unobstructed. 587 yards isn't even half a mile, so it would definantley be able to kill somebody. It loses accuracy after ~150 yards, but a fluke shot from a mountain top can travel miles and still have enough force to kill. I don't know how to calculate the foot pounds of power, but I dont think its obsurd to expect this shot to kill. Just my 2 cents, feel free to tell me how dumb I am though, because I'm sure I'm not 100% right...even though it says 1 mile on the package I don't know the physics behind it.

I found a table with some ballistics of a .22 LR:

Range Velocity Energy Momentum Mx. Ord. Defl. Drop Lead Time
yards f.p.s. ft-lb. lb.-sec. in. in. in. in/mph sec.
0 1000 88.8 0.1776 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.000
239 771 52.8 0.1370 32.8 18.8 120.3 14.5 0.824
478 611 33.1 0.1085 169.2 76.9 577.2 32.9 1.871
717 484 20.8 0.0860 493.9 183.3 1568.1 56.2 3.192
956 383 13.1 0.0681 1146.7 350.7 3402.4 85.5 4.860
1195 304 8.2 0.0540 2370.1 595.1 6563.6 122.6 6.966

The chart doesn't look so great when its posted, the number are too crunched together, but at 478 yards it has 33.1 ft.-lbs. of energy. At 717 yards 20.8 ft.-lbs. Just FYI.


Yes, I'm quite aware that it says that a .22LR is deadly up to a mile. But those distances are much further than what you'd expect to kill something with one.

Pea-size hail falls for miles before it hits the ground and it won't kill you. So between those distances on your chart we can guesitmate that between the distances the 22LR would have the approx 25ft lbs of power. I lowballed it since I didn't sit here and crunch the numbers since I don't keep up with the velocity of a .22 out to 500+ yards.

But still, that is about the same as being hit by a sling shot and kids live from that kind of shit all of the time. So, the odds of a kid dying from a shot like that is very low. I don't even see how it's possible.

Oh, and Brose, I fucking love that pistol of yours. I WISH I had your model. Those little cunts have hair triggers with almost NO trigger traveling after cocking. I own the older model of the Millennium PT145 before the new "Pro" version. You have an adjustable rear sight, wider slide release, picatinny rail (on some like my brother's) and of course that remodeled trigger.

Mine is still a lovely pistol, but I really dig the new features on the "Pro" models. My brother bought one after I let him shoot mine and told him it was one of the best concealment pistols every made.

BeerBelly
04-12-2007, 06:06 AM
umm, natural selection

Salem
04-12-2007, 08:33 AM
Getting technical I guess you would have to consider it was a 7 yr old so he didnt have much chest muscle and his breast bones (no homo) wouldnt be as thick as a grown adults would. But I dont agree with the hail idea because hail falls and reaches a terminal velocity as opposed to being propelled by gun powder as well as being rifled vastly increasing the velocity and "killing power".

domelogic
04-12-2007, 08:33 AM
i think manslaughter is a little much, and yea the gun grabbers are going to love this shit


someone needs to be made an example of, so dumb shit like this doesnt happen again. it should probably be more since this dumbass lived in a trailer park and thought it safe to test his rifle. what a dumb fuck

Deadbent
04-12-2007, 09:10 AM
Sucks to be you. (kid who is dead)

Not unlucky lottery. At all.

MrBogey
04-12-2007, 09:18 AM
shot placement.

HummerTuesdays
04-12-2007, 10:06 AM
Some good points made in this thread. I better learn how to shoot before the race war starts.

stevethrower
04-12-2007, 11:48 AM
Some good points made in this thread. I better learn how to shoot before the race war starts.

And get something bigger then a 22...

TreeFortRichard
04-12-2007, 12:04 PM
Yes, I'm quite aware that it says that a .22LR is deadly up to a mile. But those distances are much further than what you'd expect to kill something with one.

Pea-size hail falls for miles before it hits the ground and it won't kill you...
You forgot 1 important factor...Pea sized hail does not have the mass of lead. Hail is frozen water with a density just a hair shy of 1 (water is the only substance that decreases in density as it solidifies...that's why we are here). The density of lead is 11x that of water. An equally sized projectile of lead vs water yields...well I am not going to explain the math, but yields a SHITLOAD more energy/damage/ft lbs. than frozen water. Plus you have the atmospheric resistance on the ice as it falls and reaches it terminal velocity...blah blah...


oh, and this guy should drop 200 bucks on some sand and build a burm as a backdrop...what an irresponsible ass...

brose
04-12-2007, 12:41 PM
Yes, I'm quite aware that it says that a .22LR is deadly up to a mile. But those distances are much further than what you'd expect to kill something with one.

Pea-size hail falls for miles before it hits the ground and it won't kill you. So between those distances on your chart we can guesitmate that between the distances the 22LR would have the approx 25ft lbs of power. I lowballed it since I didn't sit here and crunch the numbers since I don't keep up with the velocity of a .22 out to 500+ yards.

But still, that is about the same as being hit by a sling shot and kids live from that kind of shit all of the time. So, the odds of a kid dying from a shot like that is very low. I don't even see how it's possible.

Oh, and Brose, I fucking love that pistol of yours. I WISH I had your model. Those little cunts have hair triggers with almost NO trigger traveling after cocking. I own the older model of the Millennium PT145 before the new "Pro" version. You have an adjustable rear sight, wider slide release, picatinny rail (on some like my brother's) and of course that remodeled trigger.

Mine is still a lovely pistol, but I really dig the new features on the "Pro" models. My brother bought one after I let him shoot mine and told him it was one of the best concealment pistols every made.

Yea, like I said, I don't know the physics behind it. I wouldn't expect it to happen, but I wouldn't take the chances this mexican took either.

Thanks for the compliments on the pistol Sam. I've only had mine about 6 months or so, but I traded in my model PT92 on it and pretty much got it for free. My Pro is a 9mm, and I will definantley get the same model in a larger caliber in the future, Taurus guns (for all of the bad reviews people give) are fucking fantastic for the price. This thing has never jammed, and I feed some of the cheapest ammo through it. I am so thankful I waited until this model was out though, I've heard some things about the old trigger.

Anyway, thanks for the compliments. I would definantley buy it again, and will in the future.

TrybalRage
04-12-2007, 01:21 PM
You forgot 1 important factor...Pea sized hail does not have the mass of lead. Hail is frozen water with a density just a hair shy of 1 (water is the only substance that decreases in density as it solidifies...that's why we are here). The density of lead is 11x that of water. An equally sized projectile of lead vs water yields...well I am not going to explain the math, but yields a SHITLOAD more energy/damage/ft lbs. than frozen water. Plus you have the atmospheric resistance on the ice as it falls and reaches it terminal velocity...blah blah...


oh, and this guy should drop 200 bucks on some sand and build a burm as a backdrop...what an irresponsible ass...


Not just that, but direction mattters.

If a shot goes straight up and down, it probably wouldn't have enough velocity to kill you. It would be falling free after losing all it's energy in an upwards direction.

If a shot is still traveling horizontally, it's lethal.

weeniewawa
04-12-2007, 01:55 PM
this just goes to show if they just stayed in mexico he would still be alive

Joe Avezzano
04-12-2007, 03:01 PM
To tie in with Vonnegut's death today, he wrote a book about exactly this. I read it, but can't recall the name. Anyone??

Sam_Adams
04-12-2007, 04:28 PM
OK, so the 'pea-sized' hail wasa bad example. I should have said golfball-sized because that would be about the size that would have the same relative energy as that bullet at almost 600 yards out.

The point is that bullet hardly had any energy left and it should have only been a flesh wound. It had the same amount of energy as a fucking sling shot at that point.

It was just a mix of stupid Mexican vs. unlucky Mexican.