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BroGonzo
04-12-2007, 10:40 PM
I apologize in advance for the Howard reference. Keep in mind my military audience.


Tomorrow, radio host Don Imus will sign off from his daily radio show, “Imus in the Morning,” for a two-week suspension imposed by his parent company CBS over inflamatory remarks he made about the Rutgers University women’s basketball team.


After watching the Rutgers women lose to Tennessee in the national championship game, Imus remarked, “That’s some nappy-headed hos there.”


Imus’ ill-planned comments ignited a nation-wide firestorm over the weekend, and resulted in several prominent black leaders, including the Rev. Al Sharpton, calling for his immediate resignation or termination from CBS radio and from MSNBC, which airs the simulcast of the “Imus in the Morning” show.


I want to make one thing perfectly clear before I say anything else: I am not going to defend Imus’ statements, which were irresponsible, distasteful, and brutish. I’m also not going to launch into an explanation of how comedy shouldn’t be taken as seriously as, say, a newscast.


But I don’t think that Imus should be fired for having said what he did.


It’s not that I think he’s a wonderful human being, and I certainly don’t think he should be entitled to more protection than any other citizen. Actually, I really can’t stand his show, which seems to me to be based primarily around Imus’ grouchy antagonization of his staff, a few impersonations, and some heavy-hitting Washington Beltway journalists as guests.


“Freedom of speech” is a principle everyone learns about in grade school — we’re told it’s one of the things that makes America so great, that we’re all about the “marketplace of ideas” and “dialogue.”


What we don’t learn in grade school, however, is about the ugly side of free speech that’s inextricably bound up in that right. Not all free speech is going to be popular, tasteful, agreeable, truthful, or designed to promote the betterment of society. Some of it, in fact, is going to wind up being crude, obtuse, hateful, and wrong.


There are limitations on free speech, of course — you can’t yell “Fire!” in a crowded theater, and you can’t slander another person to the point that it interferes with his or her ability to make a living. But these provisos are designed to protect everyone from actual harm — not to prevent society (or any one part of it) from being simply offended.


The thing is, for every Francis Scott Key or John F. Kennedy we have, there are a host of Larry Flynts and Howard Sterns. Does the fact that the latter enjoy the same freedom as the former mean we should curtail the free speech of all Americans?


Of course not.


Limiting speech means stripping United States citizenship of one of its foundational principles, and to the extent we do that, we lose our identity as Americans.


That’s not to say that Imus — and others who decide to use their free speech to degrade other people — won’t be held accountable for what he says. If his comments were sufficiently offensive to enough people, they’ll stop supporting his show by not purchasing the products advertised on it. Should CBS stop making money by airing Imus’ show, it won’t hesistate to give the old crank the boot.


Just don’t do it simply because he said something offensive. Imus may have gotten off easy with a two-week suspension, but when we curtail free speech, we all suffer.


http://www.thenewsenterprise.com/articles/2007/04/12/turret/sports/sports02.txt

CenterHillPills
04-12-2007, 10:50 PM
Pointing out every tiny non-hateful, barely offensive, JOKES, just divides us further as a nation. If we all share a good belly laugh we would all just get along. United we stand divided we fall, even over stupid shit. This will come back to bite someone in the ass. Rev Al or Rev Jackson or the whole media machine for that matter will end up traping themselves (and their carrers) in whatever law or procedure is created by the aftermath of the "Imus Situation". Know what I mean?:icon_conf

Sinn Fein
04-13-2007, 02:36 AM
What exactly does Howard Stern have to do with the military?

commish13
04-13-2007, 03:15 AM
I also wrote a piece on this in my column on 411mania.com (http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/columns/53047/News-to-Start-Your-Weekend-4.13.07.htm). I'd like you to read the column, but just one of the responses I got for writing it will suffice...

I'm a reader of your column and enjoy it. This is my first time responding to something because I completly think you're off base with the IMUS situation. First and foremost, I agree, it was a throw-a-way, off color comment that was not meant for the public airways. He has a responsibility to filter himself and no what is appropriate and inappropriate, he crossed that boundry.

Secondly, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson CANNOT be racist, racism is the position of power, the only people in this country that can be racist are White people. They can be, and everyone is, prejudice...But, the most important thing is, the issue isn't about them, it's about knowing that with GREAT power comes GREAT responsibility, IMUS had a responsiblity and power, and in a bad moment of judgement misused both.

Do I think he's all evil, no. Should he have been fired, not my decision. But as we learned as kids, saying "I'm sorry" doesn't always make things better. His comments actually do go to a deeper sub-culture of society and does for some ignorant people, perpetuate a stereotype about black women, these women are in college, doing positive and STILL get degregated, and saying, "I was just joking" sometimes isn't good enough.

IMUS will be alright, he's a millionaire and will bounce back, someone should be concerned about that young black girl who heard the comment and asked, "why'd he call those ladies, nappy headed hoes", as her self image is further tarnished by a country that has always been able to treat non-whites as second class citizens, and then think saying "sorry" is good enough.

Lastly, it's not okay for a double standard, there is no nationally syndicated black radio host, that has influence over major politicians, major networking and advertising, and the ears of millions of people, IMUS doesn't have a black peer, that's not a double standard, that's still in-equality at it's finest.

Ask yourself this...If Jesse Jackson got on TV and said the same thing's Mel Gibson said about JEWISH people, would the reaction be the same? That is your double standard.

Larz
04-13-2007, 06:33 AM
Too many people are making the mistake of arguing that this is some kind of 1st amendment issue. Freedom of Speech doesn't extend to the relationship between a broadcaster and his employer. Imus wasn't shut down by the government, CBS/NBC fired him because they caved to pressure tactics from the nigs.

BroGonzo
04-13-2007, 09:03 AM
What exactly does Howard Stern have to do with the military?

I figured I'd get slammed for using the Stern reference. I only lumped him in with Larry Flynt because that's the type of "free speech" that puritanical people usually consider "bad." But it's that kind of speech that needs to be protected.

BroGonzo
04-13-2007, 09:04 AM
Too many people are making the mistake of arguing that this is some kind of 1st amendment issue. Freedom of Speech doesn't extend to the relationship between a broadcaster and his employer. Imus wasn't shut down by the government, CBS/NBC fired him because they caved to pressure tactics from the nigs.

Yes, that's what I said at the end. But there are enough people saying that Imus shouldn't have been allowed to say what he said to warrant a free speech defense. Speech isn't just supposed to be allowed, but also protected.

domelogic
04-13-2007, 09:56 AM
Secondly, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson CANNOT be racist, racism is the position of power, the only people in this country that can be racist are White people. They can be, and everyone is, prejudice...But, the most important thing is, the issue isn't about them, it's about knowing that with GREAT power comes GREAT responsibility


this is the part of a response to your column that pisses me off. EVERYONE can be racist!!!! this individual has a conflicting mind that doesnt allow him or her to think rationally. o and a have brought it up several times and apparently people like this arent listening, that the black women have heard that and worse from their own community. double standards need to end and it might be time for whitey to get their own rev al (ughh never should or would happen thank god)

BroGonzo
04-13-2007, 11:40 AM
Secondly, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson CANNOT be racist, racism is the position of power, the only people in this country that can be racist are White people. They can be, and everyone is, prejudice...But, the most important thing is, the issue isn't about them, it's about knowing that with GREAT power comes GREAT responsibility


this is the part of a response to your column that pisses me off. EVERYONE can be racist!!!! this individual has a conflicting mind that doesnt allow him or her to think rationally. o and a have brought it up several times and apparently people like this arent listening, that the black women have heard that and worse from their own community. double standards need to end and it might be time for whitey to get their own rev al (ughh never should or would happen thank god)

Technically, "racism" is having different sets of rules and expectations for different groups of people, with the distinguishing characteristic between the groups being ethnic origin. Position of power or authority has nothing to do with basic racism.

Institutionalized racism, however, can only be accomplished by a group in a position that allows it to accomplish the institutionalization of racial prejudice. I don't think that's what we have going on right now.

commish13
04-13-2007, 09:52 PM
But either way, the guy is a retard to say that the black community (or at least some of them) have no power. They just got a man fired from two jobs for saying some words.

Sinn Fein
04-13-2007, 10:29 PM
I figured I'd get slammed for using the Stern reference. I only lumped him in with Larry Flynt because that's the type of "free speech" that puritanical people usually consider "bad." But it's that kind of speech that needs to be protected.

You're not getting slammed. I simply just don't get the connection between Stern and a military audience.

BroGonzo
04-13-2007, 10:43 PM
You're not getting slammed. I simply just don't get the connection between Stern and a military audience.

Here's what I meant with that paragraph.

You have brilliant, good speech that everyone agrees is good, like Francis Scott Key and JFK. On the other hand, I was drawing a contrast with speech that people who have more puritanical views (such as military members and family members, believe it or not) consider "bad," and the examples I used were Larry Flynt (of Hustler) and Howard Stern (of shock-jockery). I didn't want to use O&A as an example of speech that "good people" don't like, so I went with Stern.

I'm limited by the fact that I write for an Army newspaper, so I can't make certain points as strongly as I'd like. I just hope that given the medium, I was able to get people to think a little more critically about the Imus issue.

So to answer your question, there isn't a direct connection between a military audience and Stern... just that I wanted to use an example of "unpleasant" speech, and I didn't want to villianize O&A.