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jpc165
05-12-2007, 02:32 PM
I fucking hate the bloggers. I want them all dead.

Anywho heres a cunt that is gonna cancel his sub
if O&A don't get fired. Maybe we can convince him to stay.

http://stuntedgrowth.vox.com/library/post/enough-rope-for-opie-and-anthony.html

Also, more proof that no good deed goes unpunished. Last week, I listed XM Satellite Radio as an example of a product that I use and/or recommend. Well, I take that back. Understand, if Opie and Anthony want to host a radio show where a homeless person talks about ****** Condi Rice or Laura Bush, they have the right to do so, whether on XM, FM, AM, or Internet. The issue for me is whether I want to spend $12.95 a month so they can. The answer is no. I called XM and told them that. Their position is, give us a chance to work things out. I'm willing to, but when the dust clears, Opie and Anthony had better be gone or I'm cancelling my subscription.

blogs suck balls. they will be the death of us if the media keeps taking what idiots post on blogs as the opinions of the majority.

mikeybot
05-12-2007, 02:36 PM
commented

jpc165
05-12-2007, 02:37 PM
i will put out a full effort this weekend and on to make sure these pussys that should not even be hearing o&a's xm show do not get to decide our favorite shows fate.

fuck them all.

lets keep it civil though..

Ball of Hate
05-12-2007, 02:41 PM
Here's my comment:

Opie and Anthony are on an XL channel. That means you can call them and BLOCK it if you don't want to listen to it. There's are thousands...possibly millions of us who have XM for the sole purpose of listening to Opie and Anthony. If you want to take their free speech away from a PAYING public, perhaps Vox.com will take yours away, too, one day.

BeersOnTheBoat
05-12-2007, 02:42 PM
Amazing how difficult it is to write a reply to this nazi cunt

elitemrp
05-12-2007, 02:55 PM
Amazing how difficult it is to write a reply to this nazi cunt

Yeah, too much work to tell him to get aids. I failed =(

vaglvr
05-12-2007, 03:04 PM
I don't mind blogs, but when they get cited in news stories like they are actual news is unbelievable. Have some fucking integrity and treat these sources like the bullshit they are.

Bill Lehecka
05-12-2007, 03:16 PM
You know... if we all had blogs, we would ALL be credible...

Seriously, who gave bloggers cred? Anyone can be a blogger. I could start up a popular blog and all of a sudden, CNN will call me for comment. Little do they know I'm a knowledgeless douchebag who happens to know how to use the Internet... kinda...

zappafred
05-12-2007, 03:18 PM
Did you notice he lists "polygamy" as one of his interests in his profile?

Fred

mills
05-12-2007, 03:26 PM
One click on his profile tells you all you need to know about ol' Cuntbeard

http://a2.vox.com/6a00c22529ec79f21900d09e5d400abe2b-pi

Cup O Broth
05-12-2007, 03:27 PM
why is harrison ford from the beginning of the fugitive wearing that stupid shirt?

BroGonzo
05-12-2007, 03:28 PM
I'm now StevefromYellowstone on Vox.com.

vaglvr
05-12-2007, 03:31 PM
The fucking ignorance of him pointing out that he loves Lennie Bruce, but then railing on Opie and Anthony for not being comedy is astounding. Are people really this fucking stupid?

elitemrp
05-12-2007, 03:34 PM
One click on his profile tells you all you need to know about ol' Cuntbeard

http://a2.vox.com/6a00c22529ec79f21900d09e5d400abe2b-pi

He's got cum stains all over his shirt

HumpX
05-12-2007, 03:42 PM
don't waste your energy on these minor blogs.

EDIT: re. pic; You just know theres been gallons of semen glazing that beard.....

Lunchbox420
05-12-2007, 03:48 PM
My 2 cents

Why should XM get rid of O and A ? What did they do that was so wrong? Have you ever made a vulgar comment, a racist joke, said something in jest even? Heres an example: I hope Charlie the homeless black man ***** you repeatedly while your wife and mother are tagged teamed by 2 midgets with aids. You can even make a video of this and sell it as The Aristocrats. See that was said in jest, because obviously if this happened it would be terrible. Now you may not of laughed at my joke and thats ok, its your right. You also have the right of cancelling your XM over a show you dont listen to and dont understand and are only angry about because the media told you to be upset over, I may think that makes you a simpleton, but thats my opinion. But quit hiding behind a blog and advocating for the dismissal of these men over a joke.

Lunchbox420
05-12-2007, 03:52 PM
http://www.geocities.com/mediastupor/bio.html

check his personal page out...

abudabit
05-12-2007, 03:53 PM
Hell, every time you link to these nobodies it increases their google rating. All they do is comment on controversial subjects so they get linked to.

VirusCarrier
05-12-2007, 04:09 PM
Here's the bitch's email address: mediastupor@yahoo.com

Budyzir
05-12-2007, 04:16 PM
Regrets
......I didn't give Anne Christensen an orgasm........

BBWWWAAAAHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!

ruckstande
05-12-2007, 04:47 PM
Just commented to this fuck.

ruckstande
05-12-2007, 04:50 PM
I typed out a whole paragraph and only one sentence showed up. What the fuck?

Pappagiorgio
05-12-2007, 05:05 PM
Here's another genius

horrible show, horrible statements made about ****** the presidents wife and condoleza rice. these guys stepped way over the line, worse then imus ever did. they should'nt be fired like imus was for far less but maybe they pushed too far... hmmm. freedom of speech pushed too far?

or is it all about turning off the radio? maybe the fcc needs to regulate all the airwaves...?

http://edprzydzial.livejournal.com/

ruckstande
05-12-2007, 05:09 PM
Here's another genius



http://edprzydzial.livejournal.com/
Was that just a passing thought? There isn't even a real opinion there. You can't even comment?

BuddhaLotus
05-12-2007, 05:10 PM
That idiot Arriana Huffington thought Charlie was a white comic doing a character..

I hate Bloggers

Mindslayer
05-12-2007, 05:13 PM
If bloggsers focused more on getting laid than on typing away angrily on their computers the world would be a much happier place for all of us.

jpc165
05-12-2007, 05:25 PM
stay on top of opie and anthony with a comprehensive google alert sent to your email...

http://www.google.com/alerts

it will email when they show up in news, blogs, and google groups. i chose to be updated "as it happens", so lately I have been getting a decent amount.

my keywords are "opie anthony".

rubyq77
05-12-2007, 05:26 PM
(((( faggotfuckshithead )))

If this creep was soooooo upset about what was said I would think a better name would be in order. Might not like gays either.

Hobo_Cum
05-12-2007, 05:36 PM
* Diesel Washington wrote:
* May 12, 2007 at 4:34 PM
* Reply

Maybe before you start making summary judgments about something you should actually LISTEN to the piece in question.

THE WORD **** WAS NEVER USED IN THE SEGMENT! Thats some great backround checking you did to write your opinion.

Blog yourself a heart attack you hypocritical nothing

nice

jpc165
05-12-2007, 05:42 PM
(((( faggotfuckshithead )))

If this creep was soooooo upset about what was said I would think a better name would be in order. Might not like gays either.

twas me that came up with that name for this cunt

.
.
.


i could have use any of those but faggotfuckshithead seemed to fit the best.

styckx
05-12-2007, 05:46 PM
Bloggers are pros at their art

5 easy steps to being a blogger

Step 1. Find news to write about

Step 2. Copy and Paste article to your blog

Step 3. Decide to be pro or against article depending on attention getting merits

Step 4. Enable cat like typing

Step 5. 1 Digg

LameScreenName
05-12-2007, 05:47 PM
I wanted to use the name "Condi's Trauma Counselor" but I didn't wanna go through the whole registration process.

NOELYGIRL
05-12-2007, 05:51 PM
http://www.theradreport.com/2007/04/04/under-fire-paula-zahn-caught-cheating-with-pork-maker/

How Paula Zahn, the mother of small children can critize O and A and morality after getting porked by a pork man. See above link. We need to remind her. ;)

Juganawt
05-12-2007, 09:45 PM
What about the mantra that O&A have worked by and wished the world around would follow - that everyone should be allowed to say everything they want to? Surely even negative responses can still be filed under that same freedom of speech that O&A embrace?

What about all the positive blogs that actually support O&A on this issue?

I've seen several bloggers which found that it was, quite frankly, fucking RIDICULOUS for O&A to even have to apologise for someone elses comments and views.

It's kinda like complaining to McDonalds that your Burger King Whopper has too much cheese on it and expecting them to be sorry for ya.

I gotta agree with those positive bloggers that appreciate free speech and understand that it was the individual homeless guy's responsibility, and not the show's. Opie merely commented about the images in his mind in response to the homeless guy's views (and libido). I also understand O&A were forced to apologise by their employers, but at least on the live show it was obviously clear they didn't want to (listen to it and it's clear that Anthony has his tongue firmly in his cheek when he blurted it out.. I just assume that it was later on in the day that the more serious apology was posted on the XM site), and that they'll just keep doing what they do best once the dust has settled.

I just fuckin' hope that O&A stay on the air. I absolutely love the show, and it's about a zillion times better than the rest of the shit they put on air here in the UK.

mills
05-12-2007, 09:50 PM
What about the mantra that O&A have worked by and wished the world around would follow - that everyone should be allowed to say everything they want to? Surely even negative responses can still be filed under that same freedom of speech that O&A embrace?
Given the context of the rest of your post, I'm not sure what you're trying to say. But for the record nobody is trying to censor or fire these blogcunts. We just would like them to know that they're cunts. That's part of freedom of speech too. It's important to distinguish what applies to the first amendment and what doesn't.

Juganawt
05-12-2007, 10:12 PM
Given the context of the rest of your post, I'm not sure what you're trying to say. But for the record nobody is trying to censor or fire these blogcunts. We just would like them to know that they're cunts. That's part of freedom of speech too. It's important to distinguish what applies to the first amendment and what doesn't.

All I was trying to say is that not all of the bloggers out there are cunts and are jumping on the "they let something bad someone said slip on their show, let's fuck 'em over by saying how fucking evil they are" bandwagon, and that there are many out there, in both private and public blogs that support O&A on this.

I agree with you that there are a lot of angry, misinformed, fucking useless blogcunts out there, and acknowledging that they ARE cunts is important as part of our freedom of speech, (especially the ones that only fucking comment on how "awful" these things are AFTER it's been publicly slated and only heard by proxy - like the ruckus over the Imus line.). It's perfectly within their own rights to hit a 10 on the cunt-o-meter, but there are also some good bloggers out there that support O&A on this one, that can understand the bit in it's proper context, and support the guys on this.

Barbwire Mike
05-12-2007, 10:15 PM
All I was trying to say is that not all of the bloggers out there are cunts...






...







...nah, too easy. http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/redface.gif

Baggity Bag
05-12-2007, 10:25 PM
I fucking hate the bloggers.

"The" bloggers. What are you, 80?

styckx
05-12-2007, 10:29 PM
"The" bloggers. What are you, 80?

GET OFF HIS LAWN

mills
05-12-2007, 10:33 PM
"let's fuck 'em over by saying how fucking evil they are" bandwagon
That doesn't fuck them over in any significant way. It just hopefully forces them to reflect on themselves (at best), or pisses them off (at least). Nothing to do with freedom of speech. This is a cut and dried point regarding the issue.

Barbwire Mike
05-12-2007, 10:36 PM
"The" bloggers. What are you, 80?
So... "The BLOGGERS"... that's what they're calling themselves these days... as I understand it they're not a band but they write on the computer. I still don't get computers. You have those little papers with squares punched out... what do they do?

POUGHKEEPSIE NEW YORK you're on the Larry King program...

One_Nut_Jew_Bag
05-13-2007, 12:40 AM
Matt Drudge is an in-the-closet homo. The site that broke the O&A story was Breitbart.com, and it was founded by Drudge's former butt-buddy protege -- and the main source of traffic for Breitbart, at the beginning, was Drudge.

This is a situation where basically an in-indenial homosexual is trying to fuck things up for everybody else.

If you don't believe this, I was at the Conservative Political Action Conference, and everybody jokes about it. Ann Coulter is his "beard"

And if you don't believe me:

1) He is still single
2) Living in Miami
3) He posts regularly about Barbara Streisand.

Need more proof?

Jim T.
05-13-2007, 01:06 AM
We're not all bad:

http://dailygut.com

I'm with O&A on this, just like I was with Imus. (And I don't even like Imus.) I'll be against these kinds of witchhunts even it happens to Stern. Well, maybe.

Jim T.
05-13-2007, 01:12 AM
If bloggsers focused more on getting laid than on typing away angrily on their computers the world would be a much happier place for all of us.

It would also be filled with our offspring. Count your blessings.

ccanders80
05-13-2007, 01:27 AM
He is such a douchebag...completely believes that the boys should be fired...but JV & Elvis should not have? That dude is wacked out!

jpc165
05-13-2007, 01:34 AM
fuck geraldo.

we need patrice to **** him.

jpc165
05-13-2007, 02:24 AM
i dont know where to start with this fuckwad

http://christianconservatives.blogspot.com/2007/05/thank-you-opie-and-anthony-for.html



Some of you may have heard of Opie and Anthony. They are a couple of the more "outrageous" shock jocks on the radio today. Their show is broadcast, unedited, on XM Satellite, and an edited version is broadcast on CBS Radio. I've listened to them a couple of times and, as far as I can tell, they don't have any real talent, but they do have a real fascination with the F-word.

Last Wednesday, Opie and Anthony directed their "F-Bomb Attack" at Condoleezza Rice and Laura Bush.


Two rich white men publically stated that they want to beat and **** a black woman. Is that not hate speech?

WATCH OUT FOR O&A's F-Bomb Attack!! Run for your lives!!! AHHHHH

ShavedLebaneseBear
05-13-2007, 05:55 AM
I fucking hate the bloggers. I want them all dead.

Anywho heres a cunt that is gonna cancel his sub
if O&A don't get fired. Maybe we can convince him to stay.

http://stuntedgrowth.vox.com/library/post/enough-rope-for-opie-and-anthony.html



blogs suck balls. they will be the death of us if the media keeps taking what idiots post on blogs as the opinions of the majority.


Commented.

R.BuddDwyer
05-13-2007, 06:34 AM
It's pretty refreshing that for one of these types of blog entries all the comments are not by like-minded douches sucking the author's cock.

mrplow
05-13-2007, 03:55 PM
Bloggers should be handed over to Homeless Charlie.

styckx
05-13-2007, 04:09 PM
This is one of the best threads ever. "Blogging Cuntbags" has sort of a ring to it. Besides the fact it's bashing all these faggots that have no skill at video games, coding, web page design, life in general, whos only real talent is to sit in front of a keyboard and type away like a 5th grader trying to beat his Mavis Beacon Typing Teacher high score.

Fucking faggots.

SOS
05-14-2007, 01:00 AM
bloggers just want to get attention to their blogs so they will use the shock jock type antics that they say they deplore.

jpc165
05-14-2007, 01:22 AM
more cunts

http://tehipitetom.blogspot.com/2007/05/whats-wrong-with-this-picture.html

http://marylynnformation.blogspot.com/2007/05/shock-jocks-continue-to-offend.html

and faggot christian boy responded to some of the pro O&A comments

watch out for O&A's F-BOMB ATTACK!!!


Well, I certainly ruffled a lot of liberal feathers, didn't I? Who knew that the same liberals who are always criticizing "hate speech" are such big Opie and Anthony fans? I'll address each of your comments individually.

Thebloggersaint says that Opie and Anthony are funny. To each his own, I guess. I will say this--if you think that Opie and Anthony are funny, then you forfeit your right to talk about hate speech.

The 1st Anonymous says that it was a homeless black man who made the comments, so Opie and Anthony are not responsible. Anonymous, that is an ignorant statement. Opie and Anthony have absolute control over all content on their show. Listen to the tape, and you will hear them chiming in with the pseudo "homeless black man" on this very hateful topic. That makes them responsible.

You also say that since the remarks were made on a pay service, there's nothing wrong with the comments. That is absurd! The venue in which the comments were made has no effect on the hatefulness of the comments. If the remarks had been directed at a liberal Democrat instead of a conservative Republican, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. O and A would have been fired the same day. By the way, I don't care who they voted for. It has nothing to do with the hatefulness of talking about ****** a woman.

To the 2nd Anonymous--You said, "I'm a conservative and can't stand you people talking about sometime and not knowing ALL the facts." Well, I say you are a liar. You are not a conservative. real conservatives don't say silly stuff like that. Real conservatives are also better with spelling and sentence structure.

Eric--Your comments are irrelevent. Please address the question of why it's OK for O and A to engage in racist hate speech, but it's not OK for Imus.

Shari says, "He said he wanted to have sex with them, **** was not said." Wow! So much dishonesty and so much ignorance in such a short sentence! They said that they wanted to hold Condi Rice down and punch her in the face and f___ the b___, and they laughed about the horrified look she would have on her face while it was happening. And you say that's not ****? That's just sex? Honey, I don't know where you come from, but in my hometown, that's called ****. Ladies and gentlemen, I don't think that there is any clearer illustration of just how sick and twisted the liberal mind is. Case closed!

this fuck is truly insane. he really thinks this is political and is convinced O&A are super liberals!

http://christianconservatives.blogspot.com/2007/05/thank-you-opie-and-anthony-for.html

mendozathejew
05-14-2007, 01:33 AM
Ive hit up all 3

The Dreamer
05-14-2007, 01:34 AM
This country was founded on Free Speech and Personal Responsibility.
XM Radio is a subscription based service. It is not free over public airwaves. Those who listen to O&A pay money for the privlige of doing so. They make that choice. They chose to keep that channel unblocked. Therefore, those who listen to O&A vote, with their dollars, to keep the show on the air. If someone is offended by a comment made by a guest on the show, then they have the right to cancel their sub, or exorsize their parental controls and block the channel. We do not see this type of outcry over things done or said on HBO or Showtime. Common sense SHOULD dictate this fairly clearly. This is not like free radio or free TV. You CAN remove this probram from your lives entirely.
If they offend you, then please do so and allow those of us who want to continue to hear JOKES and the obsurdities of life pointed out , do so as well.
Thank you
May 14, 2007 12:31 AM

That is my reply. to good ol Marylynn. hope she enjoys it.

When will Common Sense become common again???

BravoSierra
05-14-2007, 01:48 AM
Why does this have to even be a liberal/conservative thing? Can't it just be a freedom of speech thing?

kimothee
05-14-2007, 01:50 AM
Why does this have to even be a liberal/conservative thing? Can't it just be a freedom of speech thing?

Made this exact point on HuffPo's comments section of the Imus producer/Sharpton article on there....and pointed out that us libs who are so pissed off about our personal freedoms and rights being eroded should understand that it goes both ways.

jpc165
05-14-2007, 01:53 AM
Well, I certainly ruffled a lot of liberal feathers, didn't I? Who knew that the same liberals who are always criticizing "hate speech" are such big Opie and Anthony fans? I'll address each of your comments individually.

I am trying to wrap my head around this statement, but I just can't do it.

This is what I got so far...

According to christian cunt, I am a crazy liberal opie and anthony fan that doesn't like hate speech unless it is directed toward republicans.

:icon_conf :icon_conf

WTF is wrong with this fuck stick!!!!!

well i gotta go to bed. goodnight fellow pests. it was an honor to serve with you men this weekend.

jackjack
05-14-2007, 02:02 AM
I am trying to wrap my head around this statement, but I just can't do it.

This is what I got so far...

According to christian cunt, I am a crazy liberal opie and anthony fan that doesn't like hate speech unless it is directed toward republicans.

:icon_conf :icon_conf

WTF is wrong with this fuck stick!!!!!

well i gotta go to bed. goodnight fellow pests. it was an honor to serve with you men this weekend.

You'll never make sense of it. He also wrote this:

Thebloggersaint says that Opie and Anthony are funny. To each his own, I guess. I will say this--if you think that Opie and Anthony are funny, then you forfeit your right to talk about hate speech.

Apparently there is a rule I was unaware of.
Sheesh.

BravoSierra
05-14-2007, 02:04 AM
You'll never make sense of it. He also wrote this:

Thebloggersaint says that Opie and Anthony are funny. To each his own, I guess. I will say this--if you think that Opie and Anthony are funny, then you forfeit your right to talk about hate speech.

Apparently there is a rule I was unaware of.
Sheesh.


No shit. I think he's making up rules as he's going along.

SabresRule
05-14-2007, 11:12 AM
found a new blog that could use a visit from the pests

http://www.citizenrock.org/blog/

Gyp
05-14-2007, 11:18 AM
http://www.huliq.com/21547/xm-shock-jocks-apologized-for-airing-vulgar-sex-comment

"...In August 2002 XM radio also had such a vulgar content when the shock jocks told about two listeners who had sex in New York's St. Patrick's Cathedral..."

DoucheSatchel
05-14-2007, 01:09 PM
Steve Carr said...
That, that's terrible....I'm sorry, things like this just make me bristle...

Grrrrrrrrrr





I got nothing for getting that one on the blogs?????


Tough room <sigh>

Jim T.
05-14-2007, 07:11 PM
I tried to put Charlie's remarks in context here (http://jimtreacher.com/archives/001509.html).

jpc165
05-20-2007, 12:33 PM
http://www.michiguide.com/archives/2007/05/edgy_antics_on_air_arent_funny.html

oh no this fuck doesn't like the bullying antics of o&a.

How about not listening fuckwad~!

COMMENTS ARE ALLOWED HERE

shwoogie
05-20-2007, 12:45 PM
http://www.geocities.com/mediastupor/bio.html

check his personal page out...

Retail establishments I frequent

Starbucks
Blue Oasis Audio
Payless


:haha7: Yeah keep on drinking Starbucks and fighting the man, maaaaaaan.

TallBaby
05-20-2007, 01:03 PM
A comment someone posted:

The funny thing is that you will be dead in a few years, OandA wil be on the air in one form or another, and a WALMART will be built where your house used to be...assuming you even own one. Perhaps you just live in the trees you are trying to save..? Your time is over you dirty hippy. Use that "intelligence" you got from those fancy, religious colleges (not) and TURN THE CHANNEL!



:haha7: :haha7: :haha7: :haha7:

Perhaps a bit counterproductive to the point.......but I'll allow it. :icon_razz

jpc165
05-22-2007, 11:13 PM
Vanessa Valenti: Radio misogynists Opie & Anthony deserved a lot more than a 30-day suspension for their horrendous jokes about ****.


http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/52235/


what a cuntwad

styckx
05-22-2007, 11:15 PM
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/52235/


what a cuntwad

[jim norton]EWwwwwwwwwwww[/jim norton] What a fucking CUNT!

ATTACK!

EDIT: Great find

TallBaby
05-22-2007, 11:57 PM
more cunts

http://tehipitetom.blogspot.com/2007/05/whats-wrong-with-this-picture.html

http://marylynnformation.blogspot.com/2007/05/shock-jocks-continue-to-offend.html

and faggot christian boy responded to some of the pro O&A comments

watch out for O&A's F-BOMB ATTACK!!!



this fuck is truly insane. he really thinks this is political and is convinced O&A are super liberals!

http://christianconservatives.blogspot.com/2007/05/thank-you-opie-and-anthony-for.html



What a pussy. Now his comments "have to be approved" before they'll be posted. He saw that people disagreed with him and called him out for the freedom hating douche that he is, and now he's hiding with his tail between his legs.

TallBaby
05-23-2007, 12:06 AM
NONE of these people listen to the show and NONE of them heard it live.

The only reason they even heard what was said was because the media keeps talking about it.

No media attention= no public outrage.


If you dont want to listen to O&A, fine. Just acknowledge that the only reason you're hearing about the things they say is because other mediums are telling you about it. Be mad at them if you dont want to hear it.

stumblebum
05-23-2007, 12:06 AM
more cunts

http://tehipitetom.blogspot.com/2007/05/whats-wrong-with-this-picture.html

http://marylynnformation.blogspot.com/2007/05/shock-jocks-continue-to-offend.html

and faggot christian boy responded to some of the pro O&A comments

watch out for O&A's F-BOMB ATTACK!!!



this fuck is truly insane. he really thinks this is political and is convinced O&A are super liberals!

http://christianconservatives.blogspot.com/2007/05/thank-you-opie-and-anthony-for.html

Il Douche is just ecstatic someone found his blog. I wish these conservative Christians would read the red words in the bible and quit skipping straight from the Old Testament to Revelations. Bill Hicks said it best when he was talking about the Christians being offended by his show and he said 'Then forgive me'. You can't win an argument with someone too stupid to imagine a world where they're wrong. Fuck 'em, it's like feeding trolls. Anyone seeking that drivel is apt to agree with him anyway.

Pappagiorgio
06-04-2007, 11:48 PM
Now we're "creative idiots"

http://edprzydzial.livejournal.com/

But this guy seems to hate Howie, too, so he can't be all bad.