Does XM send a signal to the Radio to deactivate?

[Little Chuckie]

I am guessing XM has to send a signal to your radio for it to deactivate and that it must be on during that process.

How often/long do they send out the cancel signal to the radio? If I leave the other two off for a month or so will they work giving me a free signal afterward? Just trying to find a way to fuck XM over.

Reason I ask this:

My grandfather died and we canceld his Dish service but it was unplugged when we did so, three months later I hook it up to my dish and call to activate it but when I turned it on it was already activated and the guy on the phone said it shouldn't be; it seems being off so long it never got the deactivate signal... i kicked myself for not turning it on before calling.

Wondering if the same would be tue for XM?

[generoso]

Actually yes it sends something out. if you leave it on in spurts it will remain active. I had a old roady 2 that got service for about 5 days being on only about a a hour or 2 at a time. .

[Little Chuckie]

I wonder how long they send that deactivation for?

I wouldn't think that they wouldn't do so forever.

[vcdburn]

http://news.com.com/Car+computer+hobbyists+hack+XM+Radio/2100-1027_3-5410250.html

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-8&rls=GFRG,GFRG:2007-10,GFRG:en&q=hack+XM+radio

Search and someome is doing it...I assume

[scaredpoet]

http://news.com.com/Car+computer+hobbyists+hack+XM+Radio/2100-1027_3-5410250.html

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-8&rls=GFRG,GFRG:2007-10,GFRG:en&q=hack+XM+radio

Search and someome is doing it...I assume


Uh those links related to people "hacking" XM units to permit direction connection to PCs for rewcording purposes. Not keeping a deactivated radio alive.

A deactivated radio can be fooled into thinking it's authorrized for a time as long as you manage to dodge the deactivation commands sent over the network. The deactivation signals are sent repeatedly over the course of several days to a week. How often the signal is sent out depends on how many radios are being activated/deactivated at that time... the more activations/cancellations, the longer it takes to repeat.

That said, even if you manage to dodge that signal indefinitely, your radio won't stay alive forever. The network uses authorization certificates to tell radios whether they are subscribed or not. Those certificates have expiration dates. When the radio acquires an XM signal, it checks the date and time being sent out by the satellites and checks it against its certificate. If the expiration date/time has passed, the radio will shut off. This usually takes a minute or two.

The subscribe.desubscribe commands sent by the network are only to update those certificates. When you renew/refresh a radio, a new certificate goes out. When you cancel, the cancellation signal is really just a new certificate that has an expiration date of "right fuckin' now."

[Begbie]

I shut my MyFi off about 4 months ago and it remained active for about 3 months. I didn't use it much, but I just turned it on every now and then to check to see if it was still active. I then used it over the course of a few nights in a row and had it on for about two hours every night. After about 4 of nights of use, it shut off. I thought I had a free radio for awhile there.

[SuperShawn]

Yes, they do. The signal is sent as often as the activate signal, then lessens over time. Your radio only needs to have power to receive the signal, you don't have to be listening to it.

If you are theoretically pondering how long you will get "free" service, it depends...could be a few days, could be a few months, but you'll eventually get it.

if you are theoretically pondering you can "block" the deactivation, I am not going to tell you how to "hax0r" it, but yes, you can pull a pin on an eeprom and prevent "writes", therefore not allowing the hit to take place. However, as the "hax0rs" found out, a "heartbeat" hit needs to be received from time to time to keep you active. If you can't write the deactivate hit, you can't write the heartbeat hit, and you lose radio.

So, how long will it last after you cancel? Use the same formula 'lil Jimmy uses with the trannies, you may stay clean for a while, but eventually once going be a fuzz or have the hiv....

[SuperShawn]

Uh those links related to people "hacking" XM units to permit direction connection to PCs for rewcording purposes. Not keeping a deactivated radio alive.

A deactivated radio can be fooled into thinking it's authorrized for a time as long as you manage to dodge the deactivation commands sent over the network. The deactivation signals are sent repeatedly over the course of several days to a week. How often the signal is sent out depends on how many radios are being activated/deactivated at that time... the more activations/cancellations, the longer it takes to repeat.

That said, even if you manage to dodge that signal indefinitely, your radio won't stay alive forever. The network uses authorization certificates to tell radios whether they are subscribed or not. Those certificates have expiration dates. When the radio acquires an XM signal, it checks the date and time being sent out by the satellites and checks it against its certificate. If the expiration date/time has passed, the radio will shut off. This usually takes a minute or two.

The subscribe.desubscribe commands sent by the network are only to update those certificates. When you renew/refresh a radio, a new certificate goes out. When you cancel, the cancellation signal is really just a new certificate that has an expiration date of "right fuckin' now."


Correct...wish your reply showed up before I typed mine out....

May I add this humble opinion though.....


To anyone (and I am not saying you suggested otherwise at all) considering "hacking" your XM radio, that is as low or lower than what XM did to the bbbboys. You're better than that, don't do it.

If anything, use the "gray area" Paltalk, Usenet, Bittorrent, etc.

Remember kids, every time you hack an XM radio, an angel kicks a blind puppy in the liver.

[generoso]

Remember kids, every time you hack an XM radio, an angel kicks a blind puppy in the liver.
That is only going to help the situation...Just thinking of the puppy yellping is giving me goose bumps

[JSHAW]

The XM satellite's high in orbit around planet earth shower the atmosphere with MAGIC PANERO dust which filters down to your XM unit, thus causing it to no longer pick up the signal from the satellite. :haha7:

[SaltyDelights]

The XM satellite's high in orbit around planet earth shower the atmosphere with MAGIC PANERO dust which filters down to your XM unit, thus causing it to no longer pick up the signal from the satellite. :haha7:This should not be funny, but it is. I don't know why. "MAGIC PANERO" is funny.:haha7:

[JSHAW]

See, right now the MAGIC PANERO dust doesn't work very well.

I think the satellites don't have enough on board, which is why lot's of XM subscribers that keep calling to have their units deactivated are having problems. There just isn't enough MAGIC PANERO dust to go around to all the subscribers.

[zappafred]

The day O&A were suspended I canceled my three subs. Two vehicles and one MyFi. My car's sub lost signal about two hours after I canceled via the phone. Haven't checked the wife's car yet but I did check online and verified all three were canceled.

Check this out: The day O&A were "suspended" the Myfi froze up. I can't do anything to change the present setting on any of the dials. Can't even turn it off. Can't change it off 202. Can't do anything. It is like it is completely disconnected from any function. Even the PAD DATA got stuck on "Opie and ..". The good news is that I still get 202 and Ron and Fez. I still get the current 202 signal but have no ability to change any other function. It is now the perfect radio!

Fred

[roche]

I had a old Roady 1. I read an article in 2600 that said this same thing about 3 years ago. I put it in a closet before I switched the sub over to my MiFi when I got it. I hooked it up 8 months later, and all I ever came in was the preview channel. I never even had the chance to get the shutdown signal and it still didn't work.

It never worked for me.

[advancedsupply]

I might as well throw in my experience. My roady is hooked up in an 04 ford that has the aux power jack. in turn the unit never shuts off. as long as it doesnt shut off it still works. all my other units quit working as soon as i shut them off and turned them on. for now i still get ron and fez. ok by me