Number of subs lost...

[Action Blackson]

Does anyone have any updated numbers on subs and subscribers lost?

[d0uche_n0zzle]

People in the know aren't saying shit. Your guess is as good as the next guy's.

[Begbie]

I'm not sure if accurate numbers have been released...but I'm still hearing the 30K - 40K number.

Or, if you want to go by Howie Math...30K to 40K become 10 million-12 million subscribers cancelled. Damn, now that's alot...hoo hoo.

[patbattlefield]

Who knows. We can't really believe XM, fucking liars they are. I think that 40,000 is a conservative number.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Any number from XM is going to be downplayed, IMO. Like including multi subs (family plans) as one sub or some other game with the numbers to minimize the impact on the merger/quarterly numbers.

[fANCIE]

My XM is still on. I cancelled last week told them to disconnect that day. If the radios are still on do they count as a subcription? I'm hold now listening to "Oh Debutant" circa 1930's- this is enough to make me disconnect if I wasn't pissed already

[patbattlefield]

if you threaten to call the SEC it gets shut off real quick.

[abudabit]

30-40k was on the end of the second day. We most likely are getting close to reaching or exceeding the 80k (1%) mark.

[fandango86]

Based on XM's treachery, (which I'm really surprised hasn't hit the mainstream media. A well spoken person needs to make a recording similar to the AOL thing.) I'm thinking the number of actual cancellations might only be in the low thousands.

[abudabit]

God damn I hope they get a Sarbanes Oxley audit. I really want to see them nailed for their scum ball tactics.

[cigarsandscotch]

The last I heard it was
ONE MILLION SUBS!
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Howie counted for me.

[Glenn Dandy]

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Deb said she was going to put this on PAC... Me and opies big head have it all set up ... but the mods wont sticky my threads...and I'm not sure where debs at with it.
The only true way to get #'s is register them..... but apparently being president of wackbag, i have to live by noob rules... i tryed:(

http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=67821&page=4&highlight=stand+counted


and yeah, Im pissed about it.

[FAZ8218]

My XM is still on. I cancelled last week told them to disconnect that day. If the radios are still on do they count as a subcription? I'm hold now listening to "Oh Debutant" circa 1930's- this is enough to make me disconnect if I wasn't pissed already
It is happening to many people.

KEEP CALLING UNTIL YOUR RADIO DOES NOT WORK!!!!

[TEXAS TRUCKER]

My account IS cancelled. My radio still works but All I get are the 7 or 8 channels that are always on for preview. Top Tracks, FOX News, 80's, Watercolors, and some stupid country shit. If you cannot get ALL channels then you are cancelled and deactivated. Make sure you are DEACTIVATED! This is the main thing. And spread the word. Every sub lost is a victory for the PESTS and a message to XM that we will not stand for thier bullshit lies or any form of censorship of O and A.

[BOUGHTONII]

if xm declares 30 to 40k, 300000 to400000 are probably suspended and another 1m are give free months

[peteg9699]

30-40k was on the end of the second day. We most likely are getting close to reaching or exceeding the 80k (1%) mark.

You are insane if you think 80,000 subs are cancelled due to this.

[abudabit]

Am I? Why's that? O&A had the 2nd - 3rd most listened to channel on XM.

[patbattlefield]

Am I? Why's that? O&A had the 2nd - 3rd most listened to channel on XM.
uh...Elo said more than once it was #1

[fuckwit]

uh...Elo said more than once it was #1

yep

[talljimmy0]

I think you are reaching on this.

Its most likely between 9,000 - 4,000 cancellations due to O&A's firing.

This is O&A's more hardcore fans. The rest dont really care.

[fuckwit]

I think you are reaching on this.

Its most likely between 9,000 - 4,000 cancellations due to O&A's firing.

This is O&A's more hardcore fans. The rest dont really care.

uh huh, how do you figure?

[EvilHomerJ666]

I think you are reaching on this.

Its most likely between 9,000 - 4,000 cancellations due to O&A's firing.

This is O&A's more hardcore fans. The rest dont really care.


Well here's how they got some numbers.

I was told that on Thurs evening the were getting 50 calls a person per shift. 60 People are in a call center and there are 5 call centers. So for 3 days they were recieving 15,000 calls. Asuming most of them are OnA cancelations thats 30k-45k calls to cancel in 3 days. Most people have more then one subscription. And theres more then one shift of callers. Even if the Rep was inflating his number of calls recieved the numbers are still over 30k. So you do the math.

Hell theres what 40k people registered to this site? Say 20k are no longer active. Say 1/2 of the active ones have XM. And say half of those canceled. Thats 5k from this site alone. And from a poll on this site people canceling avereaged 1.9 units. Thats being modest and it's already 9500 from this site alone.

[patbattlefield]

uh huh, how do you figure?

didn't XM say 40,000?

[Holeshot]

From Drudge

XM is also apparently feeling the heat from some subscribers. In a poll conducted on the P.A.C.’s Web site, as of Friday morning (May 18) over 3,200 people claimed they've cancelled their XM subscriptions over the O&A mess, with another group of more than 1,600 subscribers saying they've put their subscriptions on hold until the show comes back.

[fuckwit]

didn't XM say 40,000?

id say its at least that, most likely more. i dont believe anything anyone was told from the savages at customer service. however, XM's escalated response shows how large the amount is. XM's original plan was to offer 30 days free to anyone who called and figured that would be the most protection they needed to a backlash over a suspension. however since this went down 4 days ago XM has been offering upwards of 6 free months to callers and has activated over a dozen free chanels on deactivated XM radios in hopes that the canceled listeners wont turn to ipods/terrestrial before the supposed suspension is over. while not public, its a very loud and clear response. they are worried and havent figured out what to really do.

[talljimmy0]

That seems more resonable.

I know O&A have a lot of fans. But most of them would either:

1) Wait 30 days.

2) Call up and get 3 free months.

3) Not destroy some electronic they paid for.

4) Listen to other crap/music.

5) Listen to O&A's XM show without having to pay XM in the first place.

[Tryaluckystrike]

I think you are reaching on this.

Its most likely between 9,000 - 4,000 cancellations due to O&A's firing.

This is O&A's more hardcore fans. The rest dont really care.

Well, O&A only have 30K fans max - if that many. I doubt all of them would drop just because their show was getting shitcanned. So take a conservative 5%-10% that actually bothered cancelling, and it's likely that only 1,500 to 3,000 cancelled. And even that number might be a bit high because, let's face it, O&A are no Stern.

Oops, forgot to use my troll account. Damn. Uh....BABABOOEY! BABABOOEY! HOWARD STERN'S BALLS!!!

:icon_roll

[EvilHomerJ666]

That seems more resonable.

I know O&A have a lot of fans. But most of them would either:

1) Wait 30 days.

2) Call up and get 3 free months.

3) Not destroy some electronic they paid for.

4) Listen to other crap/music.

5) Listen to O&A's XM show without having to pay XM in the first place.


I don't believe I was being reasonable I believe I was being EXTREMELY modest. I do believe there was around 80k so far, but thats just my opinion.

[fuckwit]

That seems more resonable.

I know O&A have a lot of fans. But most of them would either:

1) Wait 30 days.

2) Call up and get 3 free months.

3) Not destroy some electronic they paid for.

4) Listen to other crap/music.

5) Listen to O&A's XM show without having to pay XM in the first place.

so your saying you dont even have second hand information? thanks for you input

[fuckwit]

i have an idea. contact the free fm web masters and ask how much increased traffic they have on the live internet feed since this happened. i looked but i dont see any contact info.

not the most accurate but might be interesting


edit: found it, ill see if the webmaster responds

[kassel]

u got to be kidding shitdick thats howie math if i have ever seen it

[Deathshead]

if you threaten to call the SEC it gets shut off real quick.


that does SHIT, my radios are still on since wed... after about 6-7 calls a night everynight since then screaming at the foreigners...

[chubb257]

, and it's likely that only 1,500 to 3,000 cancelled. And even that number might be a bit high because, let's face it, O&A are no Stern.

:icon_roll

Could be more than that gentleman

[goldenbunz]

I didn't read all the post but I called on Wednesday Afternoon and the gut I talked to said it was over 10k. Who really knows what the true number is.

[Hog's Big Ben]

however since this went down 4 days ago XM has been offering upwards of 6 free months to callers and has activated over a dozen free chanels on deactivated XM radios in hopes that the canceled listeners wont turn to ipods/terrestrial before the supposed suspension is over.


That's nothing special lately. The channels didn't all go off for me at once a year or so ago when I got a new radio. A dozen or so stayed active on the old one for about a week.

[Jims Rottweiler]

The truth is, we have no idea how many subs have been cancelled. I can say with a fair amount of confidence that it is not 80,000. That would amount to between $7milllion and $14 million in ANNUAL revenue to XM. That would have gotten their attention by now. They are already hemorrhaging cash. They can't afford to lose that many subs. Regardless of how many subs it is, IT IS NOT ENOUGH. If you have a sub that hasn't been cancelled, or is suspended or free, CANCEL IT. We need all fans to cancel as many subs as possible to make an impact. They know we're out here, they just think we will get weaker as time goes by. we need to do the opposite. Cancel now!

[HNIC]

uh...Elo said more than once it was #1


Yeah, but Elo also said that the merger rumors were all bullshit and that the talk about a potential merger was just people trying to make Sirius look better. Elo's job is apparently to tell O&A and their listeners what he thinks they want to hear. Let’s face it, there is no way that XM would risk the financial loss associated with taking their number one show off the air.

[Demon Mayor]

Yeah, but Elo also said that the merger rumors were all bullshit and that the talk about a potential merger was just people trying to make Sirius look better. Elo's job is apparently to tell O&A and their listeners what he thinks they want to hear. Let’s face it, there is no way that XM would risk the financial loss associated with taking their number one show off the air.

First, I agree with you that E-Lo would stroke egos.

But I do think that XM would cancel their number one show if they thought the merger were in jeopardy. The merger is the be-all and end-all for Sirius and XM right now. The millions they lose from O&A's fans pales in comparison to the millions the execs and stock holders will make in a merger deal. I think XM would gladly lose half their subscribers right now if it meant they could get the merger through.

[WOWmagnet]

I've noticed since this started that MOST of the naysayers (against taking ANY action) are No0Bs to the boards. The suspension got them to finally register yet their lifelong apathy and mediocrity won't let them do anything to actually help.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

The only mea culpa XM management could offer us is to pull a train of disgruntled fans in a very uncomfortable place, like a confessional at St. Pats.

No homo. :action-sm

[Action Blackson]

I've noticed since this started that MOST of the naysayers (against taking ANY action) are No0Bs to the boards. The suspension got them to finally register yet their lifelong apathy and mediocrity won't let them do anything to actually help.
Yea that seems to be the case.

Some people don't realize that the whole situation is bigger than just O&A, if this PC bullshit censoring doesn't stop now there's no telling what they'll censor next.

If there is anyone that hasn't canceled yet; you need to do so immediately.

[Dr Pepper]

Who knows. We can't really believe XM, fucking liars they are. I think that 40,000 is a conservative number.

I think 40,000 IS Howie math.

Even at their largest numbers, I'd say the hardcore pests, who would infiltrate, cancel, and destroy, number about 10,000 at the most.

This is why canceling is pointless. If we learned anything in this post-Imus world, we should be spending our time contacting XM sponsors and tell THEM you're boycotting and tell them why. If the money puts pressure on XM, OnA will be back.

[Jims Rottweiler]

I think 40,000 IS Howie math.

Even at their largest numbers, I'd say the hardcore pests, who would infiltrate, cancel, and destroy, number about 10,000 at the most.

This is why canceling is pointless. If we learned anything in this post-Imus world, we should be spending our time contacting XM sponsors and tell THEM you're boycotting and tell them why. If the money puts pressure on XM, OnA will be back.
I won't pretend to know how many subs have cancelled. Only XM knows. I do know it's in the thousands. That's not pointless. Sponsors are being targeted, and 4 have withdrawn so far. But Imus' listeners didn't have the power to cancel their subs, we do. Subs are important to XM, because we pay. FM is solely dependent on sponsors. that' a big difference. Stop saying it's pointless to cancel. That's just fucking stupid.

[EvilHomerJ666]

I think 40,000 IS Howie math.

Even at their largest numbers, I'd say the hardcore pests, who would infiltrate, cancel, and destroy, number about 10,000 at the most.

This is why canceling is pointless. If we learned anything in this post-Imus world, we should be spending our time contacting XM sponsors and tell THEM you're boycotting and tell them why. If the money puts pressure on XM, OnA will be back.

So how was your math done? See I atleast had something to back my numbers up on, where's yours? Also we have been contacting sponsors or have you not noticed 5 or 6 have already pulled ads?

[Brokeback Jimmy]

Yea that seems to be the case.

Some people don't realize that the whole situation is bigger than just O&A, if this PC bullshit censoring doesn't stop now there's no telling what they'll censor next.

If there is anyone that hasn't canceled yet; you need to do so immediately.


...Weve made too many compromises already; too many retreats. They fire Imus and we fall back. They suspend O&A and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, no further! And *I* will make XM pay for what they've done....

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Cancell your XM!!

[abudabit]

I think 40,000 IS Howie math.

Even at their largest numbers, I'd say the hardcore pests, who would infiltrate, cancel, and destroy, number about 10,000 at the most.

This is why canceling is pointless. If we learned anything in this post-Imus world, we should be spending our time contacting XM sponsors and tell THEM you're boycotting and tell them why. If the money puts pressure on XM, OnA will be back.

One post defending the suspension, one post saying it is pointless to cancel. Dr. Peppers only posts. Hmm... I wonder who you work for.


We got the estimate of 40k on the 3rd day from the call center people - they told us the rate of cancels per call center. Yes they don't have access to the final numbers, but it is pretty easy to estimate when you do the math. Don't let these May sign ups (anyone falling for that?) talk down the efforts. We are having a big effect and it is possible that we hit 100k.

[The Dreamer]

One post defending the suspension, one post saying it is pointless to cancel. Dr. Peppers only posts. Hmm... I wonder who you work for.



Does he work for Dr. Pepper? Cuz i could sure use a nice cold beverage. :P

You knew this would come, didn't you? That the idiots, the soulless, the trolls and sternanites would come crawling out of their little holes, stop masturbating for 30 seconds, and try to piss on us, right?

The XM shills, we can't do anything about...just ignore em, and hit em with good, hard facts.
The Sternies, well, just remember that their troll posts are nothing but foreplay, before they spit in their hand, lube up their teeny cocks, and vigirously masturbate to their fondest desire...a giant hook nose penetrating their anal cavity.

[HNIC]

First, I agree with you that E-Lo would stroke egos.

But I do think that XM would cancel their number one show if they thought the merger were in jeopardy. The merger is the be-all and end-all for Sirius and XM right now. The millions they lose from O&A's fans pales in comparison to the millions the execs and stock holders will make in a merger deal. I think XM would gladly lose half their subscribers right now if it meant they could get the merger through.

My point was that all the silly talk about O&A being the #1 show on XM and having a bigger audience on XM than Stern has on Sirius, often alludes to statements from Elo as proof. Clearly Elo isn’t a good source for such information as he apparently will tell O&A whatever they want to hear no matter how absurd it is.

[Dr Pepper]

One post defending the suspension, one post saying it is pointless to cancel. Dr. Peppers only posts. Hmm... I wonder who you work for.
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:icon_roll

Show me where I defended the suspension? I said it was a logical move but nothing I condone.

But then again, someone who doesn't follow OnA blindly should expect to be crucified on WB

[Brokeback Jimmy]

:icon_roll

Show me where I defended the suspension? I said it was a logical move but nothing I condone.

But then again, someone who doesn't follow OnA blindly should expect to be crucified on WB

Yep. So take the hint, and go get your fucking shine box....

[JaxxPack]

I've noticed since this started that MOST of the naysayers (against taking ANY action) are No0Bs to the boards. The suspension got them to finally register yet their lifelong apathy and mediocrity won't let them do anything to actually help.


I also noticed a number of "High Posting" so called fans crying that they are afraid to cancel their subs and go back to the wasteland of terrestrial radio. MAN UP! I joined this board to fight this fight! I cancelled both my subs BEFORE I joined and had my brother do the same.

I would be ashamed if every single member of this board, which lives and dies with O&A (also Ron & Fez), doesn't CANCEL IMMEDIATELY. Brother Elmo himself let loose with the battle cry.

DO IT NOW SHITDICKS!

[Dr Pepper]

Another reason I won't cancel is someone mentioned the Free FM format is dying, I have to agree. OnA maybe at the top of the ratings but the pure numbers aren't there to make it a worthwhile investment for CBS and the sponsors.

I wouldn't be surprised if OnA are back to XM only within a year and thank god for that.

[IWanGoHome]

I wouldn't be surprised if OnA are back to XM only within a year and thank god for that.

I would. If they go back to XM, there is nothing in the world that would prevent you from re-activating. I'm sure XM will waive the activation fees - just to get the subscriber back.

[mikek]

I would. If they go back to XM, there is nothing in the world that would prevent you from re-activating. I'm sure XM will waive the activation fees - just to get the subscriber back.
I'll go back, but I will insist they waive the re-activation fee. If, for no other reason, than to make them my bitch.

[walnuts55]

Hell I will bet MONEY when the boys come back there will be free radios and free re-activation plus free months. SO get off the fence CANCEL and save money in the long run

[Dr Pepper]

I would. If they go back to XM, there is nothing in the world that would prevent you from re-activating. I'm sure XM will waive the activation fees - just to get the subscriber back.

Okay, I'm not exactly talking about this situation but saying the Free FM format will be dropped thus OnA will be XM only.

I've never known XM to waive activation fees. They'll give you months for free but they never waver on the activation fees for some reason.

[24hrs-left]

Another reason I won't cancel is someone mentioned the Free FM format is dying, I have to agree. OnA maybe at the top of the ratings but the pure numbers aren't there to make it a worthwhile investment for CBS and the sponsors.

I wouldn't be surprised if OnA are back to XM only within a year and thank god for that.

Dr.Pepper has no balls

Drink Coke

[abudabit]

Make them waive the fee and give you a free month for your troubles. ;)


I've never known XM to waive activation fees. They'll give you months for free but they never waver on the activation fees for some reason.

Yes they do. Many people on these boards have had waived activation fees. You don't ask or suggest it, you just demand it as a condition of you signing up.

[24hrs-left]

Okay, I'm not exactly talking about this situation but saying the Free FM format will be dropped thus OnA will be XM only.

I've never known XM to waive activation fees. They'll give you months for free but they never waver on the activation fees for some reason.

I will gladly pay the activation fee if they are giving me a few free months, isn't that the same thing?

[Tryaluckystrike]

First, I agree with you that E-Lo would stroke egos.

But I do think that XM would cancel their number one show if they thought the merger were in jeopardy. The merger is the be-all and end-all for Sirius and XM right now. The millions they lose from O&A's fans pales in comparison to the millions the execs and stock holders will make in a merger deal. I think XM would gladly lose half their subscribers right now if it meant they could get the merger through.

You realize you're trying to reason with the biggest Stern troll on these boards, right? He's of the belief that nobody could possibly be the #1 show if it doesn't include "Howard Stern" in the title.

[Schwapp]

Okay, I'm not exactly talking about this situation but saying the Free FM format will be dropped thus OnA will be XM only.

I've never known XM to waive activation fees. They'll give you months for free but they never waver on the activation fees for some reason.

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You were saying...

[RoleModel]

...Weve made too many compromises already; too many retreats. They fire Imus and we fall back. They suspend O&A and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, no further! And *I* will make XM pay for what they've done....

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/9876/picardcrazyls0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Cancell your XM!!:clap:

[dirtydiaper]

That if you never turn off power it will keep on workin , so far so good

[tflames]

That if you never turn off power it will keep on workin , so far so good

Based on past performance, it's also based on changing channel. I had 202 after I cancelled until I tried to change channel, then all was lost.

[Glenn Dandy]

I cancelled weeks ago, it still works with like 5 stations... Im guessing so they can say in their board meetings im an active listener... I hope this shady shit comes out in the wash.

[Burger]

I'll go back, but I will insist they waive the re-activation fee. If, for no other reason, than to make them my bitch.

If you go running back, it is XM who is making you their bitch. Mid May they bend you over and fuck you up the ass with a 30 day suspension. Then, the bbboys come back on June 15. Let's say they are censored (very likely). You are then basically paying to hear edited and censored content with s and f bombs thrown in. XM gets your money and counts you as a sub. Gee, way to make XM your bitch. :action-sm

[Natas]

PAC said 60k, I think 60k would have made the news (and news I don't mean an online blog)

[spiderfish]

I've noticed since this started that MOST of the naysayers (against taking ANY action) are No0Bs to the boards. The suspension got them to finally register yet their lifelong apathy and mediocrity won't let them do anything to actually help.

I am a noob, and I registered after the suspension. However, to say that we are doing nothing to help if we don't cancel our sub is complete BS.
I have never been more active in any other type of campaign in my life. The letters I've written to XM, advertisers, and state officials in addition to phone calls made.
We can't all be RABID fans. But we do what we can.

[Schwapp]

I am a noob, and I registered after the suspension. However, to say that we are doing nothing to help if we don't cancel our sub is complete BS.
I have never been more active in any other type of campaign in my life. The letters I've written to XM, advertisers, and state officials in addition to phone calls made.
We can't all be RABID fans. But we do what we can.

Yeah...we can't all go without satellite radio service. I mean...do you know how horrib...do you know how tough...do you know how slightly inconvenient and annoying it is to go without that service? :action-sm

[jlhoyt13432]

Yeah...we can't all go without satellite radio service. I mean...do you know how horrib...do you know how tough...do you know how slightly inconvenient and annoying it is to go without that service? :action-sm

Yea, I have to now listen to "Chuck, Jenna, & Woo-Woo" in the morning. I'm not shitting you........

[BOUGHTONII]

i bought a new Toyota and did not add xm

[Overnite]

uh...Elo said more than once it was #1

I heard that alot all so...

[maniacdevnull]

Yea, I have to now listen to "Chuck, Jenna, & Woo-Woo" in the morning. I'm not shitting you........

I think we're all listening to crap nowadays. Not only do I get the shit WJFK version, which seems to cut off early, usually in the middle of a discussion, often in the middle of a sentence, But until 10am I can listen to Chip Franklin discuss young people and how they need to cut their hair and get off his lawn, or Elliott in the Morning and the hole on his show talk about their wacky misadventures. I need my XM back man, I'm jonesin'.


EDIT I cun't spell.

[ChrisH]

...Weve made too many compromises already; too many retreats. They fire Imus and we fall back. They suspend O&A and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, no further! And *I* will make XM pay for what they've done....

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/9876/picardcrazyls0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Cancell your XM!!

Awesome post!

But he did eventually cave and order the self destruction.