Response from E-lo

[folmz]

I sent him an email. The response was "the boys will be back on 6/15" so i sent him a another one, all I typed was "seriously?" I havent heard back yet. I dont know what to believe. I havent cancled my XM yet. I'm gonna wait to see if they really are fired. All i know it this shit makes no sense.

[TheJerseyDevil]

Its hard for him to distinguish real emails from thousands of cock pictures

[wes mantooth]

Its hard for him to distinguish real emails from thousands of cock pictures


But he reads every one of them because he cares.






.

[fuckwit]

a look into the future


From: elo
To: that guy

seriously!

-elo

[badmotherfarker]

I sent him an email. The response was "the boys will be back on 6/15" so i sent him a another one, all I typed was "seriously?" I havent heard back yet. I dont know what to believe. I havent cancled my XM yet. I'm gonna wait to see if they really are fired. All i know it this shit makes no sense.

I don't think cancelling XM right now is a bright idea at all... every- and I mean EVERY rumor coming from FreeFM is that the format is about to be gone. There's a good chance that O&A will be XM exclusive by this summer.

[Burgerlord]

Don't trust him. Of all the suits, he's by far the best one, but he's still a suit. He's overall a good guy, but I doubt he'd be willing to lose his job for the boys, so he'll say what he needs to.

[TheJerseyDevil]

But he reads everyone of them because he cares.
With his pants around his ankles, replying "ty" to each.

[Burgerlord]

I don't think cancelling XM right now is a bright idea at all... every- and I mean EVERY rumor coming from FreeFM is that the format is about to be gone. There's a good chance that O&A will be XM exclusive by this summer.

SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GET THE FUCK OUT!

[wes mantooth]

With his pants around his ankles, replying "ty" to each.

one-handed.

[TheJerseyDevil]

I don't think cancelling XM right now is a bright idea at all... every- and I mean EVERY rumor coming from FreeFM is that the format is about to be gone. There's a good chance that O&A will be XM exclusive by this summer.
When they come back to XM, then I activate my account again, simple as that. The only way to make a point is to cancel.

[wes mantooth]

I don't think cancelling XM right now is a bright idea at all... every- and I mean EVERY rumor coming from FreeFM is that the format is about to be gone. There's a good chance that O&A will be XM exclusive by this summer.


Kenny?

[styckx]

I hope to have the door plaque on Hugh Paneros office door changed to "The Pests" in 7 days

[styckx]

Kenny?
:rotf:

[jagsfans]

When they come back to XM, then I activate my account again, simple as that. The only way to make a point is to cancel.

Hello, exactly.

[zagman76]

It is VERY important that you cancel your XM. I hate to play the "I know something" role again - but I do (which I will be posting later tonight, once I can get the wording correct) - but to briefly sum it up now: Canceling your XM sends a STRONG and UNEXPECTED message to XM, and is VERY important in supporting the show...

[Burgerlord]

Kenny?

God damn it, his voice goes with it exactly!

[fkornre]

God damn it, his voice goes with it exactly!
yes it does...for a second i thought kenny was standing over me reading the message...

[mstscc]

It is VERY important that you cancel your XM. I hate to play the "I know something" role again - but I do (which I will be posting later tonight, once I can get the wording correct) - but to briefly sum it up now: Canceling your XM sends a STRONG and UNEXPECTED message to XM, and is VERY important in supporting the show...

Damn it, zag, I love it and hate it when you make these posts... ugh... it's post like this that mkes we want to re-up w/ xm just to cancel again.

[Jims Rottweiler]

It is VERY important that you cancel your XM. I hate to play the "I know something" role again - but I do (which I will be posting later tonight, once I can get the wording correct) - but to briefly sum it up now: Canceling your XM sends a STRONG and UNEXPECTED message to XM, and is VERY important in supporting the show...
Thanks, Zag, you fucking tease. :action-sm

Seriously, how can any of you not cancel immediately? It is fucking critical that we send XM the strongest possible message that we will not tolerate censorship on satellite radio. This issue is bigger than O and A. If we permit them to censor the boys, the bigger issue is, who is next? Ron and Fez? Channel 150? Do you wanna hear Bill Cosby and Jeff Dunham all day? We have to cancel every sub we possibly can, immediately. And remember, you can always resubscribe after this blows over. But we need to send a strong message NOW.

[LastDeadMouse]

I don't think cancelling XM right now is a bright idea at all... every- and I mean EVERY rumor coming from FreeFM is that the format is about to be gone. There's a good chance that O&A will be XM exclusive by this summer.

Anyone that thinks cancelling if the boys are actually fired is gonna do anything is kidding themselves. The only way there's even a chance that O and A are gonna come back from this is if we send a strong enough message now rather than later.

[zagman76]

Damn it, zag, I love it and hate it when you make these posts... ugh... it's post like this that mkes we want to re-up w/ xm just to cancel again.

Sorry about that, but I am trying to compose an announcement that is thorough, and covers all bases and gives a little more insight into everything...

However, here is something else to think about in the meantime: Why would wait times at the call center for XM go from 10mins to 30mins to over 90mins (according to some members)? Why would XM so quickly go from "ok - your service is canceled" to "we'll give you 30 free days" to "we'll give you 30 free days (and not tell you that your sub is only suspended until the end of the 2nd quater, and not canceled.)"

Think of the call center issue as "Pests attack radio show xxx" - it's not 100% about getting on-the-air, but also about tying up the phone lines, and preventing the "real" callers from getting on...

[RoleModel]

I don't think cancelling XM right now is a bright idea at all... every- and I mean EVERY rumor coming from FreeFM is that the format is about to be gone. There's a good chance that O&A will be XM exclusive by this summer.Go fuck your mother, get AIDS, and die.

But before you do... Cancel. Cancel twice. Call and make sure they cancelled your account - because they won't if you double-check.

Hurt them. One subscription does nothing, all of our "one subscriptions" hurt them.

All of us. That includes you too.

[big doodies jim]

It is VERY important that you cancel your XM. I hate to play the "I know something" role again - but I do (which I will be posting later tonight, once I can get the wording correct) - but to briefly sum it up now: Canceling your XM sends a STRONG and UNEXPECTED message to XM, and is VERY important in supporting the show...

This is exactly the kind of BS that keeps the rumor mill flowing. Either say what you know, or dont!! Im so sick of the holier than thou attitude here!!!!!

[RoleModel]

The only way there's even a chance that O and A are gonna come back from this is if we send a strong enough message now rather than later.Quoted for righteous truth.

Cancel! And when the douchebag rep says "oh, this is over Opie and Anthony" tell them the truth - tell them it's not. Tell them this is over XM management censoring radio content. It's wrong to censor ANY uncensored content that you've paid to receive. This is bigger than O&A.

[zagman76]

This is exactly the kind of BS that keeps the rumor mill flowing. Either say what you know, or dont!! Im so sick of the holier than thou attitude here!!!!!


read my 2nd post in the thread. it has nothing to do with a "holier than thou" attitude - it's about getting the message correct and clear. :fight6:

[MS Paint Rocks]

Thanks, Zag, you fucking tease. :action-sm

Seriously, how can any of you not cancel immediately? It is fucking critical that we send XM the strongest possible message that we will not tolerate censorship on satellite radio. This issue is bigger than O and A. If we permit them to censor the boys, the bigger issue is, who is next? Ron and Fez? Channel 150? Do you wanna hear Bill Cosby and Jeff Dunham all day? We have to cancel every sub we possibly can, immediately. And remember, you can always resubscribe after this blows over. But we need to send a strong message NOW.

I dumped 3 subs and kept my inno running. I am using the inno for checking out other shows. So far there have been a few NON-XL channels using pretty harsh language. If XM wants to show how well they can watchdog themselves without the FCC; I will show they how bad they are. Plus, I want to keep tabs on XM.

I have been firing emails about how they over reacted with O&A but Take5 can talk about little dicks vs mental health... Yeah I am serious.

As far as thinking they are fired... Not totally, but it doesn't look good. 30 days is the clue. It is as if they are using an outside source to feel if they will keep O&A or not. And that source is not the pests. DoJ!

[Captain_Spaulding]

Ya killin me smalls ya killin me.

[Hogmeister]

This is exactly the kind of BS that keeps the rumor mill flowing. Either say what you know, or dont!! Im so sick of the holier than thou attitude here!!!!!
are you a total moron or am i just reading your reply wrong? A) its zag B) he said he's going to post what he knows later today.

jesus christ, if you're one of the guys spreading the virus in PA i hope you get a bit of HIV along with it. quit being retarded

[cokelogic]

I sent him an email. The response was "the boys will be back on 6/15" so i sent him a another one, all I typed was "seriously?" I havent heard back yet. I dont know what to believe. I havent cancled my XM yet. I'm gonna wait to see if they really are fired. All i know it this shit makes no sense.Elo is just giving the company line. He likes the show and has supported the boys in the past, but he's not going to lay down his job for the show. And who can blame him, he's not the bad guy here, because he doesn't have the powet to suspend or return O&A from the air.

[fandango86]

Zag,

Will your announcement address whether or not the boys have actually been fired?

[Murtman]

Elo is just giving the company line. He likes the show and has supported the boys in the past, but he's not going to lay down his job for the show. And who can blame him, he's not the bad guy here, because he doesn't have the powet to suspend or return O&A from the air.


Yeah, he doesn't want to wind up being the next Ken Stevens.

[Philly loser]

Nothing holier than thou here.

I believe that cancelling is the only way to truly send a message. I don't think any of us wanted to return to 'regular' radio, but XM censored the show. They have the right, as a company, to discipline their employees. However, the reason was complete and utter bullshit. They hired O&A to be shocking and irreverant. They did that. But because someone's feelings got hurt, or it might impact the fucktard merger, they were disciplined and then told they couldn't discuss it... or, they were CENSORED.

Going back to commercials was not my choice. Losing live R&F was not my choice. However, I disagreed with what XM did. So, I cancelled my account in protest. So, I contacted sponsors and voiced my displeasure with the company they supported with their advertising. I didn't threaten them, I merely attempted to make them aware of my displeasure. I contacted some members of the media (and I'm starting to like David Hinkley). And perhaps most important, I joined PeopleAgainstCensorship.org.

None of these actions are holy. They are one man's attempt to make a difference and curb the climate of censorship in the media. With enough one man and one woman attempts, we may actually make a difference.

If O&A do come back on June 15, each person can make their own decision to reactivate. It isn't that expensive if you really want to return.

BUT, if you truly want XM to know how unhappy you are, you really should cancel. Suspending the account or taking their free offers just doesn't do it.

And Zag, I don't think you're holier than thou and I look forward to your post tonight.

Call XM.
Cancel XM.
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[Ultimus]

Think of the call center issue as "Pests attack radio show xxx" - it's not 100% about getting on-the-air, but also about tying up the phone lines, and preventing the "real" callers from getting on...

Fucking Brilliant!

If my understanding is correct, we are not only costing them our business, but we maybe preventing them from signing up new people. Who wants to wait 1.5 hours on the phone to turn on their system? No to mention all of the day to day customer service stuff we are preventing...

Great analogy Zag.

[Valk]

I just got somewhat the same message:

They are back on June 15th.

THX for the email. Eric Logan

[grexley]

Nothing would make me happier to have them leave free FM and come back to XM full time. The XM show was better before they went to free FM.

Canceling accounts is what's going to make that happen though. It gives O&A legitimate bargaining power. Its not just people looking for an opportunistic free month. Its actual fans they will lose if the screw with O&A

[MS Paint Rocks]

I just got somewhat the same message:

They are back on June 15th.

THX for the email. Eric Logan

Hmmm I have shot of about 20 emails to him. Nothing... If he is sending out those emails then they will be back. He is only telling you what they can.

Also, this might be a clue into a corp revolt. Some one might hang. Or we just ruined a radio show we protested for.

[loki2486]

Eric Logan is 100 percent behind the boys, he has always backed the show. His hands are tied just like Opie and Anthonys'. Leave him alone...attacking him would only hinder hime from helping the boys out.

As for canceling XM, you have to understand that this is much more than an O&A issue... it about the contents that XM promise to deliver. If we don't send XM a strong and forceful message by canelling you subs. then the boys would be gagged even if they do return.

[zagman76]

Elo is just giving the company line. He likes the show and has supported the boys in the past, but he's not going to lay down his job for the show. And who can blame him, he's not the bad guy here, because he doesn't have the powet to suspend or return O&A from the air.


QFT

[zagman76]

For business-savy people: start thinking along financial lines, and not *just* censorship lines...

[mstscc]

Hey Zag- whatever news you have, could you make it a big ol' sticky?

[MS Paint Rocks]

For business-savy people: start thinking along financial lines, and not *just* censorship lines...

Right Zag but something is missing. They could have fined O&A or gone with the standard 2 weeks.

30 days and no details is just true to XM policy. They do not think ahead!

I also think the boys may have fought back with them. Of course that is just my guess.

Still something is missing. XM is way too quiet, you would figure they would want to keep the bad pub. out of sight and make a few remarks. They might be just impressing people on the hill.

[Hog's Big Ben]

I don't think cancelling XM right now is a bright idea at all... every- and I mean EVERY rumor coming from FreeFM is that the format is about to be gone. There's a good chance that O&A will be XM exclusive by this summer.


FreeFM is already gone in several markets. O&A aren't part of the FreeFM problem. There just isn't enough decent talent to make an all day talk format work. Let alone make for an all day talk format that you can listen to all day. The shows almost all draw different demos.

Now, look at Buffalo. O&A are #1 there. As a matter of fact, look at most of the Citadel stations. They are doing very well, and so are the boys. Then look at most of the CBS FreeFMs. They are in the shitter.

Citadel puts O&A on music stations that play the same kind of shit O&A use as rejoinder music. CBS puts O&A on stations with Tom Leykis and The Radio Gunt. Guess who wins?

[zagman76]

Right Zag but something is missing. They could have fined O&A or gone with the standard 2 weeks.

30 days and no details is just true to XM policy. They do not think ahead!

I also think the boys may have fought back with them. Of course that is just my guess.

Still something is missing. XM is way too quiet, you would figure they would want to keep the bad pub. out of sight and make a few remarks. They might be just impressing people on the hill.


It's not about a fining... but it is about money and debt and the absorption of debt.

[Taintkisser]

I don't think cancelling XM right now is a bright idea at all... every- and I mean EVERY rumor coming from FreeFM is that the format is about to be gone. There's a good chance that O&A will be XM exclusive by this summer.


Even if the Freefm format is gone, most likely they'll return to "Howard all morning" err O&A I mean.......and Rock the rest of the day

[MS Paint Rocks]

It's not about a fining... but it is about money and debt and the absorption of debt.

I understand that Zag. It is the method and reason for the suspension I do not understand.

[fuckwit]

This is exactly the kind of BS that keeps the rumor mill flowing. Either say what you know, or dont!! Im so sick of the holier than thou attitude here!!!!!
your not getting it. its not about you knowing now. its about trust and its about knowing the signs and reading into whats happening. and whos saying what.

bottom line i think about is, 30 days. they suspended the show for 30 days. its a daily drive time show. suspending it for 30 days hurts a show like that incredibly. and 30 days hurts me. they took my show away from me. fuck them. i canceled and want to hurt them in return.

if this was about OnA saying something wrong why not do what Pro sports teams do and fine them money. Make Ant dish out 10k as a punishment. they took a daily show off the air for 30 days. they are trying to kill the show. and if its for the reasons they claimed, in my opinion its not enough to warrant any kind of suspension. let alone 30 days.

[Taintkisser]

FreeFM is already gone in several markets. O&A aren't part of the FreeFM problem. There just isn't enough decent talent to make an all day talk format work. Let alone make for an all day talk format that you can listen to all day. The shows almost all draw different demos.

Now, look at Buffalo. O&A are #1 there. As a matter of fact, look at most of the Citadel stations. They are doing very well, and so are the boys. Then look at most of the CBS FreeFMs. They are in the shitter.

Citadel puts O&A on music stations that play the same kind of shit O&A use as rejoinder music. CBS puts O&A on stations with Tom Leykis and The Radio Gunt. Guess who wins?

I never understood why they did the Free FM thing to begin with. CBS tried the all talk thing with 'NEW a few years ago and it bombed. Did they think it would magically work now 3 years later?

[zagman76]

Zag,

Will your announcement address whether or not the boys have actually been fired?

Yes, I will address this.

[fuckwit]

I never understood why they did the Free FM thing to begin with. CBS tried the all talk thing with 'NEW a few years ago and it bombed. Did they think it would magically work now 3 years later?

WNEW did great until they fired OnA

[MS Paint Rocks]

I never understood why they did the Free FM thing to begin with. CBS tried the all talk thing with 'NEW a few years ago and it bombed. Did they think it would magically work now 3 years later?

Are you a dope?

[zagman76]

I understand that Zag. It is the method and reason for the suspension I do not understand.


Hopefully my announcement will clarify that a little.

[cigarsandscotch]

I sent him an email. The response was "the boys will be back on 6/15" so i sent him a another one, all I typed was "seriously?" I havent heard back yet. I dont know what to believe. I havent cancled my XM yet. I'm gonna wait to see if they really are fired. All i know it this shit makes no sense.

What are you waiting for?! The cancellations ARE the pressure that will keep them from getting fired. If O&A return to the airwaves, XM will really want those subs back. I can't imagine them not waiving the activation fee, as well as throwing in a few free months or a discounted yearly package if you press for it. We really need each and every one of you fence sitters to commit. Seriously, what is the benefit of keeping your account open if you truly plan on canceling it if O&A are fired?
NOTE If you subscribed to a 1-3 year package, you can demand a refund. You will get it.

[fkornre]

Hopefully my announcement will clarify that a little.
not to be a nudge...but will the announcement be soon?

[zagman76]

not to be a nudge...but will the announcement be soon?


no - it'll be later today/tonight

[vaglvr]

not to be a nudge...but will the announcement be soon?
Not to be mean, but the more questions you ask the less time he's spending writing it. Let the man do his shit.

[fkornre]

Not to be mean, but the more questions you ask the less time he's spending writing it. Let the man do his shit.
lmao...i ask one question as opposed to the others on here who keep badgering him and you quote me and tell me this??? hahahahaha

[Monster_Rain893]

It is VERY important that you cancel your XM. I hate to play the "I know something" role again - but I do (which I will be posting later tonight, once I can get the wording correct) - but to briefly sum it up now: Canceling your XM sends a STRONG and UNEXPECTED message to XM, and is VERY important in supporting the show...
cock tease!

[vaglvr]

lmao...i ask one question as opposed to the others on here who keep badgering him and you quote me and tell me this??? hahahahaha
Sorry you got singled out, I couldn't quote everyone.

[Valk]

BTW about the return email I posted from ELO. I emailed him to say ty for fighting for teh boys and that we were with him 100%, not to attack him. If anyone is on our side over there, tis' him.

[SonnyForelli]

Jesus fucking Christ, enuff already, if your a true fan of O&A then cancel your XM

[Hog's Big Ben]

Unless you need it for your motorcycle rides. :action-sm

[jacobcorner]

I don't think cancelling XM right now is a bright idea at all... every- and I mean EVERY rumor coming from FreeFM is that the format is about to be gone. There's a good chance that O&A will be XM exclusive by this summer.

That's cool if they are going to be "exclusive" on XM this summer, it took me 1 hour to cancel, I would gladly spend an hour signing back up. Only after XM apologies for the suspension and comes up with a new company directive so this doesn't happen again.

[Monster_Rain893]

Jesus fucking Christ, enuff already, if your a true fan of O&A then cancel your XM
:clap: :clap: :clap:
I canceled as soon as I heard Ron announce the suspension. Havent we learned the whole reasoning behind "suspensions" in the radio business . . . it weakens the blow for the firing that is to come. And hey if they do end up back on XM Ill gladly reactivate but until them fuck them and the horse they rode in on.

[Nothing Sound]

I never understood why they did the Free FM thing to begin with.

Um, duh....


$$$$$$

[fkornre]

Um, duh....


$$$$$$
+ adding thousands or even millions more to their audience...

[Nothing Sound]

+ adding thousands or even millions more to their audience...


True, but if the $$$$ wasn't right, they wouldn't have done it.

In the end it's always about the cash my friend, always.

[FellowTraveler]

Jimmy said last night that they will be back. By the way, the 9:00 show killed.

[benkatz]

I haven't read all the posts in this thread, so maybe someone mentioned it. I was listening to 202 the other day, and they now run a message that says something to the affect of 'are you looking for opie and anthony? the boys will be back in mid-june...check back then.'

I'd cancel, but I bought XM for the talk and news as well, and the fm here has barely any of that. In regards to canceling- I don't think this will have much of an effect. I like the idea, but really- over 6 million customers and I saw figures of 34, 000 cancelations? (Who even knows where these figures come from- I doubt any official source is releasing ANY info like this). That won't even make XM bat an eyelash. 1 million cancelations? Yeah, that will get their attention, but I highly doubt O&A actually have that many XM listeners to begin with.

Bottom line- this is a sad situation that is almost surely rooted in the merger and the demand by idiots like racist Sharpton starting with Imus and his VERY tame comments about girls who would havenever heard them at all if idiots wouldn't have made a deal out of it. I think the best bet is to get sponsors to cancel their advertising (which is already being done, of course.) The cancellations are sending a message, but I doubt it's significant at all.

[LilJimmiesMule]

I dumped 3 subs and kept my inno running. I am using the inno for checking out other shows. So far there have been a few NON-XL channels using pretty harsh language. If XM wants to show how well they can watchdog themselves without the FCC; I will show they how bad they are. Plus, I want to keep tabs on XM.

I have been firing emails about how they over reacted with O&A but Take5 can talk about little dicks vs mental health... Yeah I am serious.

As far as thinking they are fired... Not totally, but it doesn't look good. 30 days is the clue. It is as if they are using an outside source to feel if they will keep O&A or not. And that source is not the pests. DoJ!


I have directv, thats all I will say....I cancelled all my radios. I've got other ways to keep tabs on the pieces of shit without them getting my subscription dollars....

[abudabit]

Unless you need it for your motorcycle rides. :action-sm

Isn't an MP3 player better anyways?

[Ponderous]

When they come back to XM, then I activate my account again, simple as that. The only way to make a point is to cancel.

:clap: That's what the hardcore fans believe. And we'll just do the heavy lifting for the half-assed fans who will just sit on the fence and do nothing. I swear, once this thing is settled, one way or another, any subscriber who didn't cancel to support the cause won't have a god damned leg to stand on in any debate. It's like the old saying that you can't bitch if you didn't vote. If you didn't take the time to deal with "Charlene" the Pakistani American Girl from the Ol' South, then you shouldn't be weighing in on this issue. Just sit back, enjoy Deep Tracks and support XM. God knows they don't give a shit about us, the fans.

[LastDeadMouse]

In regards to canceling- I don't think this will have much of an effect. I like the idea, but really- over 6 million customers and I saw figures of 34, 000 cancelations? (Who even knows where these figures come from- I doubt any official source is releasing ANY info like this). That won't even make XM bat an eyelash. 1 million cancelations? Yeah, that will get their attention, but I highly doubt O&A actually have that many XM listeners to begin with.

So what you're saying is you're unwilling to give up XM for a month just to TRY and help get the show back? That's the kind of bullshit defeatest attitude that XM expects from us which is why they pulled this move in the first place. Don't be that way. You don't need to do anything crazy like run over your receiver with your car or even cancel for good. All you need to do is cancel until the firing is announced or they come back. That's it. They don't need to know that you're gonna come back either way. Just tell them you won't. TRY to make a difference. If it doesn't waork, at least you know you tried. If it does work, you can feel much better about yourself when you hear the boys voice on XM 202 once again, because you were actually a part of the solution.

[Jerky04]

I dumped 3 subs and kept my inno running. I am using the inno for checking out other shows. So far there have been a few NON-XL channels using pretty harsh language. If XM wants to show how well they can watchdog themselves without the FCC; I will show they how bad they are. Plus, I want to keep tabs on XM.

I have been firing emails about how they over reacted with O&A but Take5 can talk about little dicks vs mental health... Yeah I am serious.

As far as thinking they are fired... Not totally, but it doesn't look good. 30 days is the clue. It is as if they are using an outside source to feel if they will keep O&A or not. And that source is not the pests. DoJ!

take this for what it's worth, but i've herad far worse than what was said on O & A's show on air america. i'm about as far to the right as you can get and i do not agree with the suspension or with censorship period. people on air america have said they want to see the current administration "wiped out", but using the actual terms (those of which i will not say here because i don't want the FBI after me).

so it's ok for these douchebags to spew their hate speech and call for the killing of government officials, but it's not ok for Homeless Charlie to say what he did? if they want to play this game, it should be the same across the board, not just with the boys.

FUCK XM!

[badmotherfarker]

So what you're saying is you're unwilling to give up XM for a month just to TRY and help get the show back? That's the kind of bullshit defeatest attitude that XM expects from us which is why they pulled this move in the first place. Don't be that way. You don't need to do anything crazy like run over your receiver with your car or even cancel for good. All you need to do is cancel until the firing is announced or they come back. That's it. They don't need to know that you're gonna come back either way. Just tell them you won't. TRY to make a difference. If it doesn't waork, at least you know you tried. If it does work, you can feel much better about yourself when you hear the boys voice on XM 202 once again, because you were actually a part of the solution.

You ever think that cancelling XM and getting the advertisers to cancel is exactly the OPPOSITE of what should have been done? If there are no more advertisers and no more subscribers, XM has no reason to bring them back. Would have been better to find a bunch of NEW sponsors that said "if you bring them back NOW, we'll all advertise".

[abudabit]

In regards to canceling- I don't think this will have much of an effect. I like the idea, but really- over 6 million customers and I saw figures of 34, 000 cancelations? (Who even knows where these figures come from- I doubt any official source is releasing ANY info like this). That won't even make XM bat an eyelash. 1 million cancelations? Yeah, that will get their attention, but I highly doubt O&A actually have that many XM listeners to begin with.

You must have never worked at a real company, if you don't think XM would notice that you are a mouth breather. And your doubts that O&A had that many listeners, 202 was the 2nd - 3rd most listened to channel on XM. I doubt you are even a fan of O&A, there are a lot of XM shills signing up as of late...


You ever think that cancelling XM and getting the advertisers to cancel is exactly the OPPOSITE of what should have been done? If there are no more advertisers and no more subscribers, XM has no reason to bring them back. Would have been better to find a bunch of NEW sponsors that said "if you bring them back NOW, we'll all advertise".

:rolleyes: I like the way you think, reward a company for suspending your favorite show. :rolleyes: I can't believe that post came out of a guy called "BadMotherFarker".

How about this? If XM brings O&A back they will get back some of the subs they lost. Not all of them, it's too late to retain some customers, but they will have a chance of minimizing the damage they did to their company. This is why companies feel free to fuck people up the ass, cause there are always people like you willing to spread your cheeks.

[fozzie]

on the last show they did they mentioned e-lo was in town for a jazz concert and was dressed in a tuxedo,but then he couldn`t go to the show because he was up all night talking to washington about some problem with xm. i`m thinking e-lo was trying to save the boys that night.

[LastDeadMouse]

You ever think that cancelling XM and getting the advertisers to cancel is exactly the OPPOSITE of what should have been done? If there are no more advertisers and no more subscribers, XM has no reason to bring them back. Would have been better to find a bunch of NEW sponsors that said "if you bring them back NOW, we'll all advertise".

As long as everyone cancelling makes it clear that when the boys come back, they'll come back as subscribers and sponsors, there's no better way to get the job done. No new company is going to waste their time contacting XM to say they'll advertise with them if O and A are brought back, and since XM has no history of doing businesss with them, they'll have no reason to listen to them anyway. Taking revenue streams away from XM while making it clear that the only way they'll get them back is if O and A are back on the air is the only way to send a clear message.

[badmotherfarker]

:rolleyes: I like the way you think, reward a company for suspending your favorite show. :rolleyes: I can't believe that post came out of a guy called "BadMotherFarker".

How about this? If XM brings O&A back they will get back some of the subs they lost. Not all of them, it's too late to retain some customers, but they will have a chance of minimizing the damage they did to their company. This is why companies feel free to fuck people up the ass, cause there are always people like you willing to spread your cheeks.

All I'm saying is that I think a lot of this was gone about wrong. If anything, instead of immediately canceling and going after the advertisers, the first 50,000 emails should have gone straight to XM saying "if they're not back in a week, this is what will happen". Right now, XM has no incentive to bring them back. Without advertisers and without subscriptions, they're going to do everything they can to get out of the contract so that they don't have to pay them.

[DoughBoy]

Can somone give me ONE good reason why cancelling isn't a good idea?

I see so many people saying "I'm going to wait it out". If you enjoy the show and you subscribed because of the show, there is ZERO reason not to cancel because they've removed the LIVE show. THey're offereng 1, 2, and 6 months for free in some cases for people that are cancelling. You don't think that they'll give you a month and waive the reactivation fee if you're telling them that you're thinking of subscribing?

If you don't cancel, you have no opinion. That's how XM sees it.

[The Dreamer]

Well, Hm... i'm thinking on this a little, and this is what I have so far.

The Boys are suspended for 30 days, and the pendulum is leaning towards a firing before those 30 are up.

We have been calling and cancelling, calling and PESTering, e-mailing everyone imaginable and otherwise doing what we need to be doing.

We have comments from Zag, Elmo, Acksgirl, C&S, and a slew of others telling us we need to be cancelling, we need to show XM who we support.

Now, from Zag, we get a few teases about what his big post tonight will be. About debt, financial matters, the strong need to put in as many cancellations as we can.

The only thing i can come up with right now is this:
Terrestrial Radio is totally beholden to their sponsors. The advertising dollars drive their business. At XM, however, corporate sponsorship is a very small percentage of their pie. They are beholden to subcriptions. WE are the sponsors of XM radio, and O&A. WE are pulling our support from XM over what we veiw to be a poor business choice.

If they fire O&A, they may well have to pay out the remainder of their contract, wether in a lump sum, or over time. If they have less and less subcriptions (sponsors) then they will not have enough liquid assets to pay out contracts on shows that no longer air on their service. So, inessence, let us say, for agruments sake, that they owe the guys $1 million apiece over the next 3 years. that would be 6 million. (Sorry Jimmy, i'm trying to keep this simple, lest my brain explode. i suck at math.) If, over those 3 years, the rate of subscriptions continues to rop, wether from our efforts, or the fact that there is nothing interresting on XM, then they will be hemmoraging money to pay the boys, with nothing coming in to replace that. Like having to pay alimony, only you're not working, and having to sell your blood and possesions to pay your ex off each month...

I think that's all i got on the subjest. That, or it has something to do with Hoo-Hoo's $500 million...

If i got too close, Zag, go ahead and delete this. I dont wanna blow up your spot, man.

[badmotherfarker]

Can somone give me ONE good reason why cancelling isn't a good idea?

I see so many people saying "I'm going to wait it out". If you enjoy the show and you subscribed because of the show, there is ZERO reason not to cancel because they've removed the LIVE show. THey're offereng 1, 2, and 6 months for free in some cases for people that are cancelling. You don't think that they'll give you a month and waive the reactivation fee if you're telling them that you're thinking of subscribing?

If you don't cancel, you have no opinion. That's how XM sees it.

50-100,000 emails saying "we are GOING to cancel if they're not back in a week" is a lot better than just canceling right away. Like I said, XM now has EVERY REASON IN THE WORLD to try to get out of the contract and fire them. Everyone should have started by saying bring them back and apologize for firing them BEFORE canceling.

[DoughBoy]

All I'm saying is that I think a lot of this was gone about wrong. If anything, instead of immediately canceling and going after the advertisers, the first 50,000 emails should have gone straight to XM saying "if they're not back in a week, this is what will happen". Right now, XM has no incentive to bring them back. Without advertisers and without subscriptions, they're going to do everything they can to get out of the contract so that they don't have to pay them.

Incorrect. Emails get deleted and the problem still remains. When you TAKE ACTION and hit the corporations in the bottom line, they react. Their action to remove O&A was based on that same bottom line.

50-100,000 emails saying "we are GOING to cancel if they're not back in a week" is a lot better than just canceling right away. Like I said, XM now has EVERY REASON IN THE WORLD to try to get out of the contract and fire them. Everyone should have started by saying bring them back and apologize for firing them BEFORE canceling.

Wrong again. It is my opinion that O&A were removed from live broadcast due to issues that it was causing with a HUGE money making deal. They ignored the fact that O&A also make them lots of money.

Saying you're going to do something does dog shit. DOING something is the only way to get something done.

[badmotherfarker]

Incorrect. Emails get deleted and the problem still remains. When you TAKE ACTION and hit the corporations in the bottom line, they react. Their action to remove O&A was based on that same bottom line.

But you're missing that you've already now HIT the bottom line. Nobody subscribing for O&A and nobody paying advertisement means that XM is going to do everything they can to get rid of them. I really believe that this "cancel/smash" movement is what is going to finally cause them to be fired from XM whereas if 100,000's of emails came in saying "bring them back now or we cancel" might have saved them.

And keep in mind- FreeFM is about dead. These companies are all about to go to a music format because they can pay some shit DJ $5/hour to announce records and increase their profits.

[DoughBoy]

But you're missing that you've already now HIT the bottom line. Nobody subscribing for O&A and nobody paying advertisement means that XM is going to do everything they can to get rid of them. I really believe that this "cancel/smash" movement is what is going to finally cause them to be fired from XM whereas if 100,000's of emails came in saying "bring them back now or we cancel" might have saved them.

You have zero understanding of how corporations work. Nothing matters but money. Saying you're going to cancel has ZERO meaning. There is only ONE way to demonstrate what you mean... by doing it.

[BenDunn]

All I'm saying is that I think a lot of this was gone about wrong. If anything, instead of immediately canceling and going after the advertisers, the first 50,000 emails should have gone straight to XM saying "if they're not back in a week, this is what will happen". Right now, XM has no incentive to bring them back. Without advertisers and without subscriptions, they're going to do everything they can to get out of the contract so that they don't have to pay them.


No incentive.... Ok lets look at the PR from this what message are they sending to future subs and advertisers? We don't how to run a business, we don't care about our customer base, we practice questionable business practices, we use false advertisement to entice customers to sign up, we can not even give the service away. We re prime for a major law suite.....

I don't see how they can not do something to try and save face. Yes allot of the damage is done and some will not be undone overnight. Unless they are trying to become all Christian rock all the time.

I think they have every incentive to bring them back, problem is there is an executive that has his job in jeopardy over it. This will all be resolved on or one day after 5/25/2007 (radio Psychic.... Message board psychic). It will not last till June 15th.

[BenDunn]

You have zero understanding of how corporations work. Nothing matters but money. Saying you're going to cancel has ZERO meaning. There is only ONE way to demonstrate what you mean... by doing it.


Lets see real money 1 advertise pulled adds for what was said......
so far 5 pulled advertisement for them being suspended.

The money is in the merger, even if it goes through there is money lost and for two companies that have never made a profit, I'm so glade i invest in pharmaceuticals, although www.slacker.com is looking really good right now.

[Meyer]

I heard on XM TODAY(since I'm giving them a shot to bring them back) a comercial for 202 saying "if you're looking for Opie and Anthony,they'll be back mid June,but till then please enjoy the Ron and Fez show".
I think this is going to go our way guys,I think after a week and a half of the shit they've been getting from us(I've made 30-40 calls and spoken to voice mails AND ACTUAL people myself)I don't think there's ANY way they wouldn't bring them back as promised.
It's pretty clear that the sub-dropping and phone calls and threats to help stop the merger have done what we've all intended them to do.
Our boys will be back,and If I'm wrong,well the little doggy company has ALMOST everything else I need to not have to listen to broadcast radio.(wish they'd add the Glenn Beck radio porgram though).
Anyway,I have 7 subs thats futures teeter on what happens in June.
Well see,but I feel pretty good about it as of now.Surely they wouldn't put together a brand new commercial saying they'd be back mid June of they really had no intention to make good on it.That would just be retarded.(without the Pete Rose haircut)

[zagman76]

Well, Hm... i'm thinking on this a little, and this is what I have so far.

The Boys are suspended for 30 days, and the pendulum is leaning towards a firing before those 30 are up.

We have been calling and cancelling, calling and PESTering, e-mailing everyone imaginable and otherwise doing what we need to be doing.

We have comments from Zag, Elmo, Acksgirl, C&S, and a slew of others telling us we need to be cancelling, we need to show XM who we support.

Now, from Zag, we get a few teases about what his big post tonight will be. About debt, financial matters, the strong need to put in as many cancellations as we can.

The only thing i can come up with right now is this:
Terrestrial Radio is totally beholden to their sponsors. The advertising dollars drive their business. At XM, however, corporate sponsorship is a very small percentage of their pie. They are beholden to subcriptions. WE are the sponsors of XM radio, and O&A. WE are pulling our support from XM over what we veiw to be a poor business choice.

If they fire O&A, they may well have to pay out the remainder of their contract, wether in a lump sum, or over time. If they have less and less subcriptions (sponsors) then they will not have enough liquid assets to pay out contracts on shows that no longer air on their service. So, inessence, let us say, for agruments sake, that they owe the guys $1 million apiece over the next 3 years. that would be 6 million. (Sorry Jimmy, i'm trying to keep this simple, lest my brain explode. i suck at math.) If, over those 3 years, the rate of subscriptions continues to rop, wether from our efforts, or the fact that there is nothing interresting on XM, then they will be hemmoraging money to pay the boys, with nothing coming in to replace that. Like having to pay alimony, only you're not working, and having to sell your blood and possesions to pay your ex off each month...

I think that's all i got on the subjest. That, or it has something to do with Hoo-Hoo's $500 million...

If i got too close, Zag, go ahead and delete this. I dont wanna blow up your spot, man.


You're close in some areas, but way off in others. It's cool - I'm about 1/4 of the way through the text of what I'm going to say, and I will probably be re-quoting things I have said in this thread already.

As a side-note - XM was stable financially speaking before O&A were hired, and if O&A were outright fired, and not "suspended" they would be still be stable financially.

[badmotherfarker]

You have zero understanding of how corporations work. Nothing matters but money. Saying you're going to cancel has ZERO meaning. There is only ONE way to demonstrate what you mean... by doing it.

Well, hope you're right. I don't want to see O&A gone from XM. In fact, I wish the idiotic deal with CBS was never made- if it wasn't for the CBS deal, this stupid shit would have never gotten any foothold. O&A got caught up in the Imus/JV & Elvis bullshit when they could have avoided it by sticking with XM only a year ago.

[Brokeback Jimmy]

The only way to go is to cancel.

Keeping your XM with no O&A is for QUEERS!!!

[DoughBoy]

Well, hope you're right. I don't want to see O&A gone from XM. In fact, I wish the idiotic deal with CBS was never made- if it wasn't for the CBS deal, this stupid shit would have never gotten any foothold. O&A got caught up in the Imus/JV & Elvis bullshit when they could have avoided it by sticking with XM only a year ago.

I think that the only thing you have partially close to what is really going on is the fact that the IMUS/JVE thing kicked off a higher level of awareness. This has zero to do with CBS. This is 100% merger related.

Again, this is just my opinion. I have no 'real' knowledge of anything.

[abudabit]

on the last show they did they mentioned e-lo was in town for a jazz concert and was dressed in a tuxedo,but then he couldn`t go to the show because he was up all night talking to washington about some problem with xm. i`m thinking e-lo was trying to save the boys that night.

I do too. They said it wasn't about that, but they probably had to say that.

[Opies_Big_Head]

You are all living in a dream world and you are all naive. The people that really know and the people that are really close have cancelled their radios. It is for a reason.

do you think E-lo is going to respond back to you, some schmuck he doesn't know, and tell you the truth? Risk his career?

If they have a chance in hell of returning it will only be if we make XM's life so miserable that they have no choice ... and even then they probably want.

They need you to cancel your XMs, I am more sure of it now then ever.

Show up an any event where any of them are, they can't tell you anything, they are under a gag order, but you will feel the same vibe that everyone else feels in the room.

Our only shot, their only shot, is for every single O&A fan to cancel their sub and speak out against the merger.

I am a nobody as far as O&A go, I am just a long long time fan and even I see the hand writting on the wall.

[habeasrob]

But you're missing that you've already now HIT the bottom line. Nobody subscribing for O&A and nobody paying advertisement means that XM is going to do everything they can to get rid of them. I really believe that this "cancel/smash" movement is what is going to finally cause them to be fired from XM whereas if 100,000's of emails came in saying "bring them back now or we cancel" might have saved them.

And keep in mind- FreeFM is about dead. These companies are all about to go to a music format because they can pay some shit DJ $5/hour to announce records and increase their profits.


My opinion is they were gone from the beginning. i believe the apology and the insubordination were merely pretexts for firing the boys and removing the programming conflict between xm and sirius, i.e Howard didn't want them on the same platform. Howard had a gag order on them before, this is really much of the same.

[CTDennis85]

You're close in some areas, but way off in others. It's cool - I'm about 1/4 of the way through the text of what I'm going to say, and I will probably be re-quoting things I have said in this thread already.

As a side-note - XM was stable financially speaking before O&A were hired, and if O&A were outright fired, and not "suspended" they would be still be stable financially.



We'll all be waiting.....

[Akkim]

50-100,000 emails saying "we are GOING to cancel if they're not back in a week" is a lot better than just canceling right away. Like I said, XM now has EVERY REASON IN THE WORLD to try to get out of the contract and fire them. Everyone should have started by saying bring them back and apologize for firing them BEFORE canceling.

The thing is -- the cancellations give them a tangible and visible indication of the kind of corner they've painted themselves in. They are trying to accomplish a merger as equal partners. This means they have to bring as much to the table as Sirius does - and in the end this is ultimately a business deal for them.

Now seeing XM a little shaky and uncertain of what the final outcome of this all will be, the folks at Sirius have to be thinking that this could potentially drag them both to a certain doom and second-guess the merger at this time.

Even if it is only 50,000 people that have cancelled.. it still has to leave them wondering "is there another shoe to drop?" -- and every account that's cancelled keeps that fear alive and well.

The math behind the merger is also tricky. Obviously both XM and Sirius are bleeding cash, there's technological issues and those satellites in the sky don't last forever and will need to be replaced. They need to become profitable. We've seen examples here of people who are both XM and Sirius customers. Factor into this the fact that they have promised lower rates for subscribers (due to fears of rising costs in a monopoly).. and they're really at a point now where their primary focus is increasing their customer base -- this isn't anything too surprising, I hope.. =)

It's a powerful statement, even if it's only 1% of their total customer base that goes ahead and up and cancels in protest -- and really, I see it as a win-win...

XM *NEEDS* customers and subscriptions. We'd love to have the programming, we'd love to hear O&A Unfiltered... but the truth is we're able to survive without it. Them? Not so much. When it comes time for you to re-activate your account.. you can imagine they will likely be desperate enough to take you back and waive the fees.

Sticking around only gives them a false sense of security =)

--Micah

[The Dreamer]

Hm, financially stable before O&A, financially stable if they're fired, but not stable if they are "suspended."

What would be the difference? How would they be unstable because they suspended the show, but stable if they got rid of it...

[badmotherfarker]

My opinion is they were gone from the beginning. i believe the apology and the insubordination were merely pretexts for firing the boys and removing the programming conflict between xm and sirius, i.e Howard didn't want them on the same platform. Howard had a gag order on them before, this is really much of the same.

You're crazy if you think Howard had anything to do with this... my opinion is that something happened behind the scenes at XM. They weren't suspended for what Charlie said, they were suspended either for the "apology" or for something else that happened. I'm wondering if XM didn't appreciate the "apology" and called them out on it and things blew up from there. I can't believe any of this has to do with the actual comments.

[Opies_Big_Head]

You're crazy if you think Howard had anything to do with this... my opinion is that something happened behind the scenes at XM. They weren't suspended for what Charlie said, they were suspended either for the "apology" or for something else that happened. I'm wondering if XM didn't appreciate the "apology" and called them out on it and things blew up from there. I can't believe any of this has to do with the actual comments.

you are crazy if you think he didn't. It's his but buddy Mel that will be running the show.

[7cent]

I don't think cancelling XM right now is a bright idea at all... every- and I mean EVERY rumor coming from FreeFM is that the format is about to be gone. There's a good chance that O&A will be XM exclusive by this summer.


cancel your XM and sign up again if they actually get back to XM...

[The Dreamer]

This has to be about the merger...nothing else makes sense.

It has to be a "dry run". A test to see what life without O&A would be like. Stable before O&A, ok, they were an emerging company then, still. People were signing up more and more to try something new. Ok, sure. Stable if O&A are fired? Well, then the merger is secure, and they don't have to worry about it. But, unstable if only suspended?

I dunno, I should just relax, and wait for the post. heh...

[uptown]

on the last show they did they mentioned e-lo was in town for a jazz concert and was dressed in a tuxedo,but then he couldn`t go to the show because he was up all night talking to washington about some problem with xm. i`m thinking e-lo was trying to save the boys that night.

I think he had actually slipped into a coma after listening to the 43rd replay of the same Ron and Fez's show. They do have quite the nice lead-in show though....

[badmotherfarker]

This has to be about the merger...nothing else makes sense.

It has to be a "dry run". A test to see what life without O&A would be like. Stable before O&A, ok, they were an emerging company then, still. People were signing up more and more to try something new. Ok, sure. Stable if O&A are fired? Well, then the merger is secure, and they don't have to worry about it. But, unstable if only suspended?

I dunno, I should just relax, and wait for the post. heh...

I don't think this is about the merger- I think this is about the "apology" that they gave. It was pretty obvious that they were telling XM to go fuck themselves. I think shit went down behind the scenes as a result of the apology. I think XM got pissed the fuck off about it.

[Opies_Big_Head]

I don't think this is about the merger- I think this is about the "apology" that they gave. It was pretty obvious that they were telling XM to go fuck themselves. I think shit went down behind the scenes as a result of the apology. I think XM got pissed the fuck off about it.

That would be nice, but I think the smart money sir is on the merger.

[abudabit]

Gary said he and Hugh were personally offended by O&A's insubordination. They didn't want O&A defending themselves against the media attacks in the least. XM never got the show, when you went into corporate beyond E-Lo there was really nobody who appreciated the show or the philosophy behind it.

Then again, maybe they are pretending it was personally offense at O&A insubordination so they wouldn't have to admit they were censoring them to help the merger. If that came out it would hurt the chances of the merger happening and hurt XM's public image so they would certainly front a cover story.

But in the end all the chain of events in the fight came from the forced apology O&A were required to do, ordered by Hugh. It was to satiate NOW. So it all boils down to censorship and another cowardly media company.

[Opies_Big_Head]

If the boys knew they were going to be back on the air in a month ... don't you think there would be "sources" telling us to not do all this and settle down?

[abudabit]

Relatives and girlfriends of the boys canceled their XM's. Enough said.

[domelogic]

i am still amazed at the amount of people debating whether to cancel or not. wtf is your problem? cancel the subs. fired or not this is bullshit and it comes at a pretty weird time in satellite radio. consumers take enough bullshit from corporations or from small interest groups and its time to take a stand. if you didnt think everyone who has cancelled hasnt affected xm your crazy or why would they be offering anything to keep you.

subs keep investors happy, cancelling subs makes everyone nervous and puts bad thoughts into peoples heads. who knows how it all works and the merger could be the ultimate reason for any of this to happen. the cs told me that xm itself doesnt own the o and a show but has the rights to it, so that could be part of the problem but the bottom line is cancel. if you were never allowed to reactivate an account i could understand you keeping the sub. so just cancel the sub and make them squirm a little

[LastDeadMouse]

If the boys knew they were going to be back on the air in a month ... don't you think there would be "sources" telling us to not do all this and settle down?

That was my thought process once the cancellations started rolling in. Someone would have gotten word to us to stop.

[The Dreamer]

If the boys knew they were going to be back on the air in a month ... don't you think there would be "sources" telling us to not do all this and settle down?


That, or a "No, no, let them run with it. Just to show XM who we are."

I wouldnt put it past them to flex a little "pest muscle" at XM.

But in all honesty, I really think there is alot more to the situation then anything we have touched on on this board, or the others...

[South Jersey]

I don't think cancelling XM right now is a bright idea at all... every- and I mean EVERY rumor coming from FreeFM is that the format is about to be gone. There's a good chance that O&A will be XM exclusive by this summer.

Off this shit mult!

[Turfmower]

If they come back on June 15, I'm going to wait till July to re sign so my units make a hit on the 2nd quarter numbers and to see if they are really uncensored again.

[Opies_Big_Head]

That, or a "No, no, let them run with it. Just to show XM who we are."

I wouldnt put it past them to flex a little "pest muscle" at XM.

But in all honesty, I really think there is alot more to the situation then anything we have touched on on this board, or the others...


I have to disagree, because what we are doing that they are not stopping, I think would do more to hurt them then help them if they were not already fired.

[superaids]

If they come back on June 15, I'm going to wait till July to re sign so my units make a hit on the 2nd quarter numbers and to see if they are really uncensored again.

Yeah... if XM drags this into June. I'll wait too.

[Vyce]

If they come back on the 15th, or if they come back tomorrow, does it matter?

Things have irrevocably changed. We know now that XM won't stand up for talent and will sell them out completely should the need arise. To me, it doesn't fucking matter if, or when, they come back. XM can't ever be trusted again. They're pieces of shit, basically.

Edit: IF I were re-sign with XM, I like the idea that some of you are having of waiting it out for a while before getting a new subscription. And even then? If I sign back up, they'd better fucking waive my activation fee for the bullshit they've pulled. They WILL waive it, actually. I live in D.C., so I will fucking go down to their fucking building to raise hell if I were to see an activation fee on my credit card bill.

[rduwow]

i definitely think that a lot of things on both sides of the issue have happened that we will never know about. there are so many signs that they are essentially fired, and there are signs that they are coming back and this was just a suspension. to be honest, i don't know what the f to think at this point. i assumed this was a firing, but we are entering week 2 and normally the axe falls by this point. also, e-lo's email, the message on the website, the customer service messages, all point to them coming back. but then all of the other information (or lack thereof) coming from people close to the boys. i don't know at this point.....i've cancelled both of my units (which sucks because i finally had enough money to buy the inno) and am thinking about getting an ipod now. either way, i think everyone can agree that even if they come back, this changes things dramatically.

[Sct Ptersns Twn]

Fuck XM (jesus, I don't think I have said that enough in the last week). I have been promoting them to everyone I know for 5 years. I mean everyone. Even While I was in DC @ the Billy Burr Show last March I was allllllll about touting the XM line pushing it for the commerial free music if not more than the boys cause I believed in free speech and people free to talk anyway they like about anything, without the government telling them what can be said, sung about or otherwise. I am a rambling fool and always have been, maybe that is why I get along with Glenn Dandy so well. fuck it. I will always be pissed about this issue and about the world cause it is going to shit faster than most of you fuck realize it. Before you know it they will be telling you what you can do in your own fucking house.

[Lunchbox420]

I have been cancelling my xm for 3 days, I have gotten my $57 bill waived, a 6 month credit for free service, I cancelled all 4 accounts 2 times, all of my radios still work, my online still works, I called again and stated i want to be fully cancelled today, was guaranteed I was, yet 2 hours later...still workin. NOW WHAT?

[Jerry1]

Don't trust him. Of all the suits, he's by far the best one, but he's still a suit. He's overall a good guy, but I doubt he'd be willing to lose his job for the boys, so he'll say what he needs to.


I don't think it's a matter of trusting E-lo, it's that the decision may not be up to him. I kinda think if it was, they'd be on tomorrow.
I'll be honest with you, wether they are back on or not, it's better to cancel. It's probably the best way to protest XM's actions either it be just suspension or termination. A protest they'll take notice of.
If worse comes to worse, you can either resubscribe or just download them if they do come back.

[Jonny_Thunder]

I have been cancelling my xm for 3 days, I have gotten my $57 bill waived, a 6 month credit for free service, I cancelled all 4 accounts 2 times, all of my radios still work, my online still works, I called again and stated i want to be fully cancelled today, was guaranteed I was, yet 2 hours later...still workin. NOW WHAT?


As long as you get your money back then let those cocks keep your service on for as long as they want... Just make sure you have YOUR money back, because its all they care about.

[habeasrob]

If they come back on the 15th, or if they come back tomorrow, does it matter?

Things have irrevocably changed. We know now that XM won't stand up for talent and will sell them out completely should the need arise. To me, it doesn't fucking matter if, or when, they come back. XM can't ever be trusted again. They're pieces of shit, basically.

Edit: IF I were re-sign with XM, I like the idea that some of you are having of waiting it out for a while before getting a new subscription. And even then? If I sign back up, they'd better fucking waive my activation fee for the bullshit they've pulled. They WILL waive it, actually. I live in D.C., so I will fucking go down to their fucking building to raise hell if I were to see an activation fee on my credit card bill.

I have sirius units in the car now, the only way I come back to xm is if there is a change in upper management, or i get really bored

[KockstarInc]

well according to xm's site

"As you know, XM suspended Opie & Anthony and ceased all broadcast of The Opie & Anthony Show on The Virus - XM 202 for 30 days, effective May 15, 2007.

The O&A Show will return at its regularly scheduled time on June 15th, 2007.

In the meantime, Ron & Fez will continue to air in place of The O&A Show on XM 202.

If you have comments or questions, please email us at thevirus@xmradio.com"



so they are saying it WILL return on june 15th...now whether it is neutered or not is another topic for discussion

and i still say fuck xm

[IsIsThataTrain]

The only thing I don't understand in the 'Its the Merger, Maaaan!' theory is, if the merger goes south, and dosn't happen, where does this leave XM? If they wanted so badly to deep six the boys so there was no conflict with Hoo Hoo, why not wait until the merger was approved?

As things are now, there is a good chance (better if we put our weight behind it) that the merger will go belly up. THen they will be without O&A and Howie.

[IWanGoHome]

You're close in some areas, but way off in others. It's cool - I'm about 1/4 of the way through the text of what I'm going to say, and I will probably be re-quoting things I have said in this thread already.

As a side-note - XM was stable financially speaking before O&A were hired, and if O&A were outright fired, and not "suspended" they would be still be stable financially.

XM is an idiotic company, and will regret this decision more than they realize.

Do you know who has to pay who the termination fee if the merger should fall through?

[Vyce]

The only thing I don't understand in the 'Its the Merger, Maaaan!' theory is, if the merger goes south, and dosn't happen, where does this leave XM? If they wanted so badly to deep six the boys so there was no conflict with Hoo Hoo, why not wait until the merger was approved?

As things are now, there is a good chance (better if we put our weight behind it) that the merger will go belly up. THen they will be without O&A and Howie.

Which is exactly what we SHOULD do.

I wasn't happy about the merger before. Now? I actively want to hurt XM in the only way they care about, their pocket book. I'd LOVE it if we could help torpedo the merger.

[mikek]

Don't trust him. Of all the suits, he's by far the best one, but he's still a suit. He's overall a good guy, but I doubt he'd be willing to lose his job for the boys, so he'll say what he needs to.
Agreed 100%. As cool as E-Lo may be in person, he's a suit. Period.

The ONLY way to get XM's attention is to hit them in the pocketbook.

It's VERY important to keep emailing the sponsors http://xmradio.com/sponsors/ It matters, probably more than anything else.

[RoleModel]

I have been cancelling my xm for 3 days, I have gotten my $57 bill waived, a 6 month credit for free service, I cancelled all 4 accounts 2 times, all of my radios still work, my online still works, I called again and stated i want to be fully cancelled today, was guaranteed I was, yet 2 hours later...still workin. NOW WHAT?Escalate constantly. They do have the ability to cancel your account immediately. Make it abundantly clear that is what you want. Make sure they believe you're recording the conversation.