Michael Moore's SICKO

[patbattlefield]

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As much as I hated Fahrenheit 911 this is something we can all get behind.

[MikeHimself]

its no secret our healthcare system in this country is a clusterfuck

[abudabit]

Yeah, I hate almost everything Moore does but I love the premise behind this one.

[LiddyRules]

Unfortunately because Michael Moore's behind it, most people will now start putting more money into the health care industry just to spite him. He's liberal!!! He must be wrong!!!

[Absolutely]

Love Michael Moore, looking foward to seeing this.

Any Michael Moore fans who haven't checked out "The Awful Truth" should try to find the Dvds or download it, it's very very funny.

[BravoSierra]

I find Moore's movies to be very well done, even though it's a little bit too left for me, most of it. He also pisses the FUCK out of right wing talk show hosts, so I can't really hate him for that. Dr. Ian Smith needs to get him on his show ASAP though.

[YourAmishDaddy]

You have to give the man credit. He knows how to lay out what's on his mind. I still don't know what to make of it.

[Glenn Dandy]

the guys ruined his reputation by being a spin doctor.... to bad someone with some credentials doesn't take on this cause... It's a seriouse problem.

Deb,,, after we slaughter everyone ionvolved on the free speech issue... I say You start P.A.B.P people against bought politicians.


Although I must warn you... you might end up missing, or in a strange accidental death soon after.

[BIV]

Unfortunately because Michael Moore's behind it, most people will now start putting more money into the health care industry just to spite him. He's liberal!!! He must be wrong!!!
I think it has a lot more to do with the misrepresentation of facts and outright lies his movies are filled with.

The man is a joke. If he told me the world was round I'd require three sources from him and even then I could guarantee that one source was bias, the second taken out of context and the third completely fabricated.

[fuckwit]

its not just health insurance companies. all insurance companies in this country are ruining peoples lives. these insurance executives need to be dragged out into the street and shot. their not human

[Glenn Dandy]

they are criminal who have bought the laws.... end of story... MM has one part right when he puts a monetary # on each fucko politicial that sold their soul.

[THE FEZ MAN]

i like moores movies, but i was a little disappointed when he attacked heston. and he does fucking lie a good bit. i watch his films to get the far right thoughts on things. just like i watch "jack emp presents" to see the thoughts of a religious zealot

[WhiskeyWhispers]

I enjoy Moore's documentaries, sometimes I agree with him, sometimes I don't.

The main thing that annoys me is the guy is in love with himself. I mean, what other documentarians insert themselves into nearly every shot of their films?
After all, the star of a documentary should be the subject matter, not the frumpy guy making it. Not to mention the poster art. I think if he practiced a little restraint in the self-congratulatory department, people would have more respect for what he does.

[weakside]

Like anything, truth is often found in the middle ground as opposed to the extreme right or left. But I do think it is important to listen to all sides of a controversy, even the extreme, as they often have at the very least nuggets of truth embedded within their agenda.

Michael Moore has a lot of faults as a filmmaker but there are points of truth embedded within his agenda. And lets face it, our insurance/healthcare system, no matter where you stand politically, needs to be addressed.

[PDX909]

Hell, any movie these days that tries to make you think about stuff and not want to go buy a fucking action figure is okay with me. I'm okay with MM as a movie maker and I think this is a great subject. When I was contracting my medical insurance was 800 a month, I kinda like to see where that money went.

[Exanimate]

I am in the middle of dealing with health insurance now. I work for a very small company, and we have recently just got health coverage. To insure me it will cost me 78 bucks a month, which is fine. If I add my wife and 2 kids it will then cost me 800 bucks a month. How the fuck does that happen, and who the fuck can afford that?

Now I am trying to find private health care for my wife and kids at a cheaper rate.

[MrBogey]

Michael Moore simply lies about near everything he can. Every film he has ever made has a substantial string of lies running through it.

In this one he'll prove how the Cuban healthcare system is superior toi the US. He's a worse hack for dictators than Carter and a bigger sycophant for communists than Durante. He gets owned whenever he faces off against another competant Sophist which is why he only plays in safe zones.

The guy is probably the worst human being in America. He simply doesn't carw ho he has to step on and use just as long as it makes a good film.

Edit: http://therealcuba.com/

[Dre]

Michael Moore simply lies about near everything he can. Every film he has ever made has a substantial string of lies running through it.

In this one he'll prove how the Cuban healthcare system is superior toi the US. He's a worse hack for dictators than Carter and a bigger sycophant for communists than Durante. He gets owned whenever he faces off against another competant Sophist which is why he only plays in safe zones.

The guy is probably the worst human being in America. He simply doesn't carw ho he has to step on and use just as long as it makes a good film.

Edit: http://therealcuba.com/

I wholeheartedly agree with this point and despised Fahrenheit 9/11, but I've heard and seen proof of so many bad things about the healthcare industry and things of similar ilk, I'll have to see this movie, whether I will enjoy it or not.

[abudabit]

I'm not a fan of insurance even in principle. It seems you're better off putting the money you would have put in insurance into an investment account and let it grow. If you need to take it out for something, take it out.

[LastDeadMouse]

The thing about this movie, as oppsed to Bowling For Columbine, Farenhiet 9/11, Roger & Me, etc, is that there's not gonna be much room for debate. Honestly, is there anyone that can watch that preview and say it was right that that woman's claim was denied because her emergency ambulance ride wasn't pre-aproved? Every American adult has been screwed by their health insurance company or know someone that has. I can't wait to see it.

[mendozathejew]

whats hilarious about americans who support Cuba in the context of- its not bad over there, they are very smart, skilled, diverse etc etc. thats all true, and thats exactly the point. in a country of phenominal talents, in science, arts athletics etc, the country is still a piece of shit that people want to leave.

the peoples talent and intelligence its an indictment of Castro's regime, not a compliment. I realize thats not the main objective of the movie, but thats a fact that gets twisted.

[LastDeadMouse]

whats hilarious about americans who support Cuba in the context of- its not bad over there, they are very smart, skilled, diverse etc etc. thats all true, and thats exactly the point. in a country of phenominal talents, in science, arts athletics etc, the country is still a piece of shit that people want to leave.

the peoples talent and intelligence its an indictment of Castro's regime, not a compliment. I realize thats not the main objective of the movie, but thats a fact that gets twisted.

Without a doubt. I really don't think Moore should have taken that angle with this film. It's unnecisary and is gonna make some people discount the whole picture just because of that one segment.

[jagsfans]

The thing about this movie, as oppsed to Bowling For Columbine, Farenhiet 9/11, Roger & Me, etc, is that there's not gonna be much room for debate. Honestly, is there anyone that can watch that preview and say it was right that that woman's claim was denied because her emergency ambulance ride wasn't pre-aproved? Every American adult has been screwed by their health insurance company or know someone that has. I can't wait to see it.

It's horseshit. He takes a point like that and makes it look cruel, when in realiy the insurance company probably processed it incorrectly and when the woman mentioned it to them they probably processed it correctly.

Then his nonsense trip to Cuba w/the bull horn. What do you think this fat cunt would be saying if we were treating the prisioners @ gitmo w/3rd rate medical care?

[dodisman]

Hey now...Saw a nice shot of my company's insane stock climb in there...have reaped some nice rewards with this shit system in the last 5 years...

[LastDeadMouse]

It's horseshit. He takes a point like that and makes it look cruel, when in realiy the insurance company probably processed it incorrectly and when the woman mentioned it to them they probably processed it correctly.

Then his nonsense trip to Cuba w/the bull horn. What do you think this fat cunt would be saying if we were treating the prisioners @ gitmo w/3rd rate medical care?

The insurance company didn't process anything incorrectly, at least not by accident. Insurance companies will deny claims like that because some people will just give up and pay it themselves. If they can get one person out of 100 to pay that bill themselves, that's more money in their pockets. They know that the more hoops they force people to jump through to get the services that they pay them for, the more money they make, because people just give up trying to get things covered and just pay it themselves. I will agree that the Cuba thing is gimmicy crap, though. I only see that making people discount the whole point of the film and just attacking the messenger rather than the message.

[nikoloslvy]

what ronald Reagan thought about documentaries made in cuba.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6bfRO98rkB4

[patbattlefield]

It's horseshit. He takes a point like that and makes it look cruel, when in realiy the insurance company probably processed it incorrectly and when the woman mentioned it to them they probably processed it correctly.

Then his nonsense trip to Cuba w/the bull horn. What do you think this fat cunt would be saying if we were treating the prisioners @ gitmo w/3rd rate medical care?

O RLY? My wife had a life threatening condition that needed immediate surgery and the doctor had to make sure the insurance would approve the surgery first BEFORE she would be allowed to go ahead with it. Its not just incorrect processing, its a corporate culture of greed and indifference to the average american.

[jagsfans]

O RLY? My wife had a life threatening condition that needed immediate surgery and the doctor had to make sure the insurance would approve the surgery first BEFORE she would be allowed to go ahead with it. Its not just incorrect processing, its a corporate culture of greed and indifference to the average american.

I know greed factors into it. However, different policies dictate different practices. If someone has a shitty HMO plan that requires approval on whether $0.25 or $0.10 syringes are being used, then that's one thing, but an ambulance ride from the scene of an accident is very rarely criticized.

There are bad plans and good plans, bad companies and good companies. I will see Michael Moore's movies as I have seen his others, but I doubt he will win me over to the idea of socilized medicine anymore than he convinced me to give up my 2nd amendment rights. I already knew the Iraq war was a sham before his horseshit movie came out.

You may not like how your insurance processes your claims, but that is where your freedom as a consumer comes into play.

[weakside]

I don't want socialized medicine, and I understand good healthcare is going to cost a lot. All I want are insurance companies to provide the services they promise me. With many people, their insurance companies have fallen short of this goal.

The problem with insurance is inherent. There incentive on their part is to either not pay a claim or to give you least amount of service as possible.

[patbattlefield]

I know greed factors into it. However, different policies dictate different practices. If someone has a shitty HMO plan that requires approval on whether $0.25 or $0.10 syringes are being used, then that's one thing, but an ambulance ride from the scene of an accident is very rarely criticized.

There are bad plans and good plans, bad companies and good companies. I will see Michael Moore's movies as I have seen his others, but I doubt he will win me over to the idea of socilized medicine anymore than he convinced me to give up my 2nd amendment rights. I already knew the Iraq war was a sham before his horseshit movie came out.

You may not like how your insurance processes your claims, but that is where your freedom as a consumer comes into play.

How they process the claims isn't the only problem. Its also how they manipulate the costs and gouge the public for something as vital as health care. Tell me why health care shouldn't be at least partly subsidized to the public when hospitals already receive large grants and subsidies from the government now. Having health insurance shouldn't be like having a second mortgage. I pay 536 dollars for my PPO coverage through an A rated insurance company and even after that I still have deductibles and co-pays. That's for a family of four. I'm sorry but that's unacceptable. We need change and at this point I don't give a fuck how it gets done. This shit is killing me financially.

[MrBogey]

How they process the claims isn't the only problem. Its also how they manipulate the costs and gouge the public for something as vital as health care. Tell me why health care shouldn't be at least partly subsidized to the public when hospitals already receive large grants and subsidies from the government now. Having health insurance shouldn't be like having a second mortgage. I pay 536 dollars for my PPO coverage through an A rated insurance company and even after that I still have deductibles and co-pays. That's for a family of four. I'm sorry but that's unacceptable. We need change and at this point I don't give a fuck how it gets done. This shit is killing me financially.

It's expensive because you have to have it and healthcare is a cash cow.

Make is public and you'll get shitty service that costs you almost the same in taxes. Or you can join the military and get high class VA backed healthcare.

[patbattlefield]

It's expensive because you have to have it and healthcare is a cash cow.

Make is public and you'll get shitty service that costs you almost the same in taxes. Or you can join the military and get high class VA backed healthcare.

I don't buy the whole argument that public health care has to be a bad thing. My wife has a friend in Australia and their system works great. You can't just take examples of where it was done improperly and use it as an absolute. Maybe if the fucking government took some of the billions that they give away to corporations and foreign governments we wouldn't have to raise taxes to fund it properly.

[MrBogey]

Well if you can't take a few examples of failures abroad why should you take a few examples of failures at home.

Your friend has a good experience because nationalized healthcare works great for standard sniffles and catastrophic injuries. Long term debilitating sickness like cancer and you have a different story. If you're a Canadian citizen and you want a CAT scan in order to check out why you're getting constant headaches expect to wait a few months. If those headaches keep getting worse you can cut it down to about a month but you're going to have to go to America if you want one done the same day.

I'd rather take care of my own sniffles and worry about broken bones and heart attacks than have to risk my life if I come down with Hodgekins.

[THE FEZ MAN]

were paying for the people that dont pay there bills, a hospital can turn no one away, they have to be treated, and they dont have to pay. thats the problem that and the negro lottery that evey one thinkd they diserve because the ego driven surgons think there gods

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Insurance company's suck and will always suck until we start beheading some of the tools running them. No reason why a CEO of an extremely large Insurance company should have a personal fortune of over three BILLION dollars.

How many people has he fucked over for all those profits..."whaa"

I'm no commie, but that shit just doesn't sit right. Especially, when they fuck over their own employee's too. :icon_evil

[NortonsGravyLeg]

How they process the claims isn't the only problem. Its also how they manipulate the costs and gouge the public for something as vital as health care. Tell me why health care shouldn't be at least partly subsidized to the public when hospitals already receive large grants and subsidies from the government now. Having health insurance shouldn't be like having a second mortgage. I pay 536 dollars for my PPO coverage through an A rated insurance company and even after that I still have deductibles and co-pays. That's for a family of four. I'm sorry but that's unacceptable. We need change and at this point I don't give a fuck how it gets done. This shit is killing me financially.

I work for a large insurance company processing claims. I see this all day long. One thing I will call bullshit on is that no insurance company will deny an ambulance ride to a hospital. They may deny a helicopter or water transport but not a ambulance from the scene of an accident. There's something else going on there.

Another point insurance companies are not allowed to just deny claims. There are state, federal and private third party auditors who I have delt with personally that call bullshit and ring bells when they see things out of place for things like this. Companies are not allowed to arbitrarily deny claims I will however not bullshit and say that there are ways that insurance companies fuck the consumer which I think is fucking awful....eg

Pre-existing condition limitation. You have a family, wife and two kids. You work at a job which has health insurance but get paid a shit wage. Your wife is diabetic. You lose your job and no more insurance. You can't afford to pay the 500+ a month cost for COBRA. Four months later you get a job and you get coverage. However because you don't have credible coverage from up to 63 days before the plan goes into effect your wifes claims will now be denied and the ins plan will pay nothing from 12-18 or even 24 months because you are held to a pre-existing limitation...nice right. That should be illegal in my opinion

Doctors are fucking greedy, fraud billing assholes and they hire morons to bill their claims. 90% of claims denied by insurance companies are denied because the doctor, or facility billed incorrectly. Perfect example my fiance had a surgery last Sept on her heart. Everything was fine and dandy. The two day inpatient hospital claim came to $39,000.00 and the claim was denied. Why...? the hospital never bothered to call the insurance company...and because of this not only will they not get money from the ins company...but they are not allowed to back bill my fiance for a penny of that 39K. They fucked them selves out of a lot of money. Like I said stupidity.

Trust me I'm no company man but both the insurance companies and the doctors/hospitals are guilty of the healthcare system in the country being fucked up. I welcome a change and massive overhaul.

By the way if anyone needs any outside advice about what to do for a fucked up health ins situation PM me, I'll try to help out. Sorry to have been so wordy.:D

[Bill]

Moore would have a lot more credibilty if he would stop with all of the "half-truths" that he puts in his movies. Similar to what Fox News, Moore's movies contain statements which are technically true. However, because he omits important pieces of information, the viewer is led to infer things that aren't really true.

He may tell "the truth". But often, he doesn't tell "the whole truth". Penn & Teller regularly do the exact same thing on their Showtime show "Bullshit!" (but at least they go out of their way to show tits).

In most cases, I think that the evidence of Moore's topics is strong enough that he doesn't need to rely on half-truths. IMO, once the half-truth's are exposed (even if there are only a couple of them), he loses credibility for everything else in the movie, even if they are completely factual.

Although I tend to agree with Moore, regarding many of the issues that he attempts to expose, I don't bother watching his movies. I would rather watch a documentary from someone who I trust to give me all of the facts and let me form my own opinions, rather than from someone who is just giving me pieces of information that support the opinion that they want me to have.

[roche]

I watched half of the movie last night before I went to sleep. I have to watch the second half but I am putting it off today because it is so goddamned depressing because I know I will be running into these issues at some point with myself or close family members.

He does put the hardcore Moore spin on it which is a shame because this movie doesn't even need that to make its point. Basically the spin out of it I got was if you agree with me, everyone will think you are a Communist.

The health care system in this country is fucked and it is all because of the insurance and drug companies.

One thing I did like that I didn't see coming was that he smashed Hillary. He started up with how Hillary was all about reform with the system when Bill came into office and now that she is a Senator, she has been bought and sold just like all of the other ones.

I didn't get to the part where they show the Cuban health care systems, but the Canadian, English and French ones really looked amazing. Once again, this could just be his spin, but I doubt anything could be as fucked up as ours in a first would country.

[Absolutely]

I'm currently watching this at the moment, I'm about 19 minutes in.
It's a little too much to watch for me, it's insanely sad whether you hate or love Moore or not.

I'm currently on my dad's insurance, but fuck I'm worried now for when I'm off his down the road. Doesn't help my hypochondria

[Absolutely]

I've never wanted to be French more in my life.

[newfie_lover]

They need to dub this movie in spanish and flood Mexico with copies.

[BlackNinja]

I watched half of the movie last night before I went to sleep. I have to watch the second half but I am putting it off today because it is so goddamned depressing because I know I will be running into these issues at some point with myself or close family members.

He does put the hardcore Moore spin on it which is a shame because this movie doesn't even need that to make its point. Basically the spin out of it I got was if you agree with me, everyone will think you are a Communist.

The health care system in this country is fucked and it is all because of the insurance and drug companies.

One thing I did like that I didn't see coming was that he smashed Hillary. He started up with how Hillary was all about reform with the system when Bill came into office and now that she is a Senator, she has been bought and sold just like all of the other ones.

I didn't get to the part where they show the Cuban health care systems, but the Canadian, English and French ones really looked amazing. Once again, this could just be his spin, but I doubt anything could be as fucked up as ours in a first would country.

One of the reasons why Drug Companies operate the way they do is to cover their asses from the sue happy culture that has grown over the years. Drugs have been taken on and off the market for years, but the possibility of a law suit, has companies pouring massive amounts of money into R and D and clinical trials, which they have to pass on directly to the consumer. But I'm a bit biased. I would be more apt to blame the insurance companies. Reimbursement rates are lower than ever, especially from the governmental medicare/ medicaid

[FMDoug]

Where is everyone getting this movie? Is it even out yet?

[VMS]

The LAST fucking thing you want is Michael Moore doing a film supporting what you support.

Roger and Me: didn't do shit for union car workers. All the jobs went overseas or became non-union Japanese car-making jobs.

Bowling for Columbine: didn't do shit for gun control. Some minor laws got passed controlling gun sales at gun shows, which would have gone through anyways. Instead, all he did was P.O. the NRA.

Farenheit 9/11: Ummm... who won the 2004 election again? That's what I thought.

If you're unhappy with the American healthcare system, and you want to see it fixed, Michael Moore making a movie about it is the LAST thing you want to see. Dude's admitted he's not a documentary filmmaker: he's a propagandist. Which is fine. But he's a fucking shitty one, because all he manages to do is piss people off (agree or disagree with him), but doesn't actually change anything. Ultimate preach-to-the-converted guy who doesn't actually convert any new parishioners for his little church.

[WOWmagnet]

Although this may be a good documentary, he is such a fucking liar.

Today on the news he said, "If I was living in Cuba I'd be Castro's worst nightmare."

Really fatty? You'd be DEAD or in POLITICAL PRISON, fucking liar.

[queeby]

As someone who believes that we need some kind of universal healthcare in this country, this movie was like red meat. It was probably the same feeling that the rubes that listen to Rush Limbaugh get when he talks about evil Democrats.

Unless you are the CEO of health insurance provider, or a Pharmaceutical company, you can't possibly think that our system is working. It is rediculous. If Michael Moore has to make a movie that makes a few extreme cases look like the norm, and it gets people to really look at our retarded fucking system, I say good.

[Larz]

The system works fine... the more you pay the less restrictions you have on coverage. Its like everythig else, you get what you pay for.

The thing I don't understand is people having kids then all of a sudden complaining that their health insurance costs are too high. If a person can't handle that basic necessity wait til they try sending their kids to college in 15 years.

[Vyce]

One thing I saw that was interesting was that recently, while doing press for this, he was commenting on how the detainees at Gitmo get free, quality health care, while many Americans do not have that same benefit.

I thought to myself....Did Michael Moore just inadvertently demonstrate that we're treating the filthy terrorist scum locked up in Gitmo WELL? That must have been a bitter pill for him to swallow.

[augiep38]

The insurance company didn't process anything incorrectly, at least not by accident. Insurance companies will deny claims like that because some people will just give up and pay it themselves. If they can get one person out of 100 to pay that bill themselves, that's more money in their pockets. They know that the more hoops they force people to jump through to get the services that they pay them for, the more money they make, because people just give up trying to get things covered and just pay it themselves. I will agree that the Cuba thing is gimmicy crap, though. I only see that making people discount the whole point of the film and just attacking the messenger rather than the message.

That clip is horse shit. What was the cause of the womans need for the ride to the hospital? Which insurance provider did she submit the bill to? From that clip we don't know. All we know is some dumbass is saying the insurance company screwed her. If she was in a car accident and sent the claim to a healthcare provider, they are going to deny it if there was a bodliy injury insurance on the auto policy because in that case health care insurance is secondary. If she was a claimant in a auto accident and sent it to the at fault party's insurance carrier, they will deny it because they will settle the claim as one lump sum. So what is the real story.

I could put out a documentary stating that pussy would kill you and be able to skew facts enough that a bunch of uninformed rubes would fall for it.

Are there healthcare issues? Yes. How do you solve them? Where do you start? As a country we can't even tackle immigration issues - you can't tackle social issues until you decide who is the affected class.

The biggest problem is that these are emotional topics and as a result some people can not have a logical discussion. The second biggest problem is that mos people are not smart enough to have a logical discussion.

[patbattlefield]

Just got done watching it. Every American needs to see this film. If you don't feel a collective guilt for the way we treat each other in this country after you watch it you have no soul.

[ShaunC1000]

I saw it yesterday, great film. I hate this whole "Michael Moore made it so he must be wrong/I'm not seeing it because Michael Moore made it" mentality. There are sites where you can "aquire" this film if you don't want to pay to see it. I hate Bush, but if he wanted to pass a law that would provide free/cheap healthcare I'd support it.

People are just asses in this country.. it can be really hard to get a good job with health insurance.. especially if you come from a poorer family. I don't think most people realize this. As someone who recently got out of college (a year ago) it took me a little more than a year to get a job with heath insurance, I had to work some part time and temp jobs for a while. As a diabetic, I worried this whole time about not getting other insurance before my dad's insurance stopped covering me. Luckily I made it just in time. Just so you know, I graduated on time, with honors, and had 5 years of part time expierence in IT.. which was the type of job I was trying to get. So.. it wasn't like I was screwing around the whole time and didn't deserve getting a good job.

As a type 1 diabetic I can't get insurance on my own.. I have to get it from work. I have no alternative. Whatever insurance my work decides to get is the insurance I'm going to get. I don't have the option to "shop around" for better insurance. The most I can do is work for another company that provides better insurance.

So what happens if my insurance company decides they're not going to cover some medication I need, and can't afford on my own? I'll have to figure out what insurance company does cover it, find out what companies use that insurace, then try to get a job at one of those companies.

Is that really the freedom of choice I have in a country that uses private insurance?

As a diabetic with insurance, I could tell you about the many problems I've had trying to get things approved for basic things I need.. but I'd go on forever. Not to mention multiple times going to the doctor and having them tell me I didn't have insurance when I really did.

[BlackNinja]

after seeing it, which its very good, but really really fucking sad, his points are definitely valid, but its really astronomical to think about how to change such a complex system. btw there are hospitals in the us that treat patients for free, but there are so few that people in major metro areas like this one(miami) it can take a long time to be seen.

i agree that insurance companies are a huge problem, but i think he should have examined hospital administrators a lot more. some of the policies they implement are staggering, and when they are for profit, and private, the bottom line is first for them unfortunately.

I think socialized health would work in this country because we still have very well educated doctors and specialists. Which would also be nice if someone decides to paint some of these other countries like france and britain's health care in a less than perfect light. As a soccer fan, i cant tell you how many times i have read about so-and-so athlete flying to colorado or wherever to see an excellent knee specialist or whatever was wrong with them

[Southtown]

I recently switched insurance companies and I am having an issue. Our daughter had some issues a year ago where she had breathing problems and she needed to be an an enebulizer(?) for a couple weeks. She doesnt have asthma or anything. Well she was coughing alot for an extending period of time so we took her to the doctor. Like most of the time its really nothing but some medicine they give you and we did mention the problem we had last year. Well I guess when the doctor put something in his report to the insurance company and the word asthma was in there from some reason, and they were sending us letters and they needed to know if we had any gaps in our insurance to see if it would be considered a pre-existing condition. I am still not sure what the deal is as we gave them the info and havent heard back yet.
After that I couldnt help but think that do I have to stay at the same job for life in fear of having something as common as asthma(which she doesnt have) to be considered pre-existing and not having it paid for. Also this was just a simple doctor visit they are trying to get out of paying,imagine if it was something serious.

It would be nice to have a national health care system. If people want to spend extra to go see knee specialist and shit like that fine.

[Dre]

Saw it Saturday, in essentially a packed theatre, the audience broke up in applause many times, and I have to say, out of all of Moore's movies, (not all I agreed with), this was the all around BEST!

It was awesome the way he attacked the horribly corrupt health-care community, and how the government is being a bunch of babies not giving the U.S. universal free health care, (look in the film, at all the other countries, it's worked completely fine with them), and the people with the Socialist health care from the government aren't being imprisoned or losing anything, they're in fact probably living better than most Americans.

Many of the stories of the people who were victims of the health care industry, were down right discouraging, and saddening, people DIED because some of the companies thought the treatment of some of the patients, that could have saved them was experimental.

Everyone in America needs to see this wonderful film, so they can rise up and get our country the free universal health care that every citizen deserves!

5/5 stars definitely!

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[Southpaw]

Michael Moore Vs. Wolf Blitzer & CNN:

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/56446/

[VMS]

The LAST fucking thing you want is Michael Moore doing a film supporting what you support.

Roger and Me: didn't do shit for union car workers. All the jobs went overseas or became non-union Japanese car-making jobs.

Bowling for Columbine: didn't do shit for gun control. Some minor laws got passed controlling gun sales at gun shows, which would have gone through anyways. Instead, all he did was P.O. the NRA.

Farenheit 9/11: Ummm... who won the 2004 election again? That's what I thought.

If you're unhappy with the American healthcare system, and you want to see it fixed, Michael Moore making a movie about it is the LAST thing you want to see. Dude's admitted he's not a documentary filmmaker: he's a propagandist. Which is fine. But he's a fucking shitty one, because all he manages to do is piss people off (agree or disagree with him), but doesn't actually change anything. Ultimate preach-to-the-converted guy who doesn't actually convert any new parishioners for his little church.

Bumping this for the fans of the movie. Just to watch you cry.
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[Joe Avezzano]

What about Canadian Bacon? I loved that film, but haven't seen any of the others.

If saw this one, it sure as hell wouldn't be in the theater. Bunch of douches clapping at a movie? What's the point? Agree or not, I'll watch in the privacy of my home when it comes out on IFC or something.

[yellowstonesteve]

Bumping this for the fans of the movie. Just to watch you cry.
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why, dude has a good point. I just hope this movie get people thinking and talking about changing the way we do things in health care in America.

[VMS]

why, dude has a good point. I just hope this movie get people thinking and talking about changing the way we do things in health care in America.

Uhhh... did you READ what I said?

If you're for healthcare reform, Michael Moore making a movie promoting healthcare reform is the last fucking thing you would ever want to see. He's the kiss of death to any kind of social/political change.