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AnalLeakage
07-03-2007, 09:50 PM
Mike Klein - Philadelphia Inquirer - calls for the boys to be replaced:
WYSP, once on top, has a way to go. In its target of men 18 to 49, it was 13th out of 28 stations in May's Arbitron rankings. Brightest spot was afternooner Kidd Chris, who was sixth and might be a wiser choice for mornings than the middling-rated and syndicated Opie & Anthony. WYSP has been looking for a program director since last month, when Gil Edwards was let go.
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/columnists/michael_klein/20070701_Inqlings___Another_survivor_eatery_bows_o ut.html
Contact columnist Michael Klein
at 215-854-5514 or mklein@phillynews.com
LiddyRules
07-03-2007, 09:53 PM
Middling ratings? How dare he print truth!!
I'm going to hide now.
HumpX
07-03-2007, 10:05 PM
Yeah, the guy isn't making outrageous accusations or taking some parochial stand against their content. He's just stating his opinion.
Not everyone is a rabid fan :p
Grace
07-03-2007, 10:13 PM
WYSP (94.1) just dropped the "Free FM" moniker that 12 CBS Radio stations had adopted in a marketing ploy following Howard Stern's departure for the pay world of Sirius satellite radio. WYSP's guy-talk format is unchanged, under the slogan "94 Talks."
ugh, do not like the new logo
http://imgsrv.941freefm.com/image/wysp1/UserFiles/Image/shows/ona/wow_sticker2.gif
Goblin
07-03-2007, 10:35 PM
Put fucking rock music on in the afternoon, and watch the station's ratings soar.
zoloft smile
07-03-2007, 10:40 PM
The FreeFM logo looks pretty damned good compared to that new piece of shit.
fuckwit
07-03-2007, 10:43 PM
Everyone trashes their fucking ratings. And wonder why they dont have Stern numbers.
Stern got fired from NBC in 85 and then in 86 got the morning slot and started getting syndicated by infinity (back when you could still do radio). Thats the equivalent of comparing Sterns ratings from 88 to his 04 ratings.
Fuck this asshole. Theres no reason for this. If you constantly flip formats and fire shows your never going to develop a fan base.
OnA are a good product. Leave them alone, let this PC bullshit die off so they can start doing radio again and watch the numbers soar.
Ballbuster1
07-03-2007, 10:47 PM
Everyone trashes their fucking ratings. And wonder why they dont have Stern numbers.
Stern got fired from NBC in 85 and then in 86 got the morning slot and started getting syndicated by infinity (back when you could still do radio). Thats the equivalent of comparing Sterns ratings from 88 to his 04 ratings.
Fuck this asshole. Theres no reason for this. If you constantly flip formats and fire shows your never going to develop a fan base.
That and running a show that ends an hour earlier than the competition
doesn't help either.
pnigga
07-03-2007, 10:54 PM
the 9am thing is terrible and has to be changed. that being said, this guy isn't really that far off. o&a haven't been doing well in philly, and based on what they told us on air last week, they're pretty surprised by it, too. I'd think going to all rock after a morning show would probably help quite a bit, but god only knows why anyone is listening to preston and steve.
gofurself
07-03-2007, 11:00 PM
"How mighty are Preston & Steve? Their share of the male audience in May was more than 21/2 times that of KYW and more than three times that of DeBella."
I occasionally flip to Preston and Steve during O+A's commercials, I still can't figure out how anyone can listen to that shit. I'm starting to think that everyone in and around Philly minus a very dedicated insane few are nothing but a bunch of pussies.
ADD Theater
07-03-2007, 11:02 PM
I think people have just found alternatives. If you have to water shit down to much how much can really entertain the way you used to?
I don't blame O&A, they've done about as much as you can do in their format in today's world. In general, rating for "shock jocks" aren't what they used to because the friggin' FCC and pussy ownership neuters them. So, people listen to a cd or iPod or something. Satellite was the alternative but only so many people are willing to pay.
For YSP in particular, if they aren't following O&A with rock they're retarded. That's what their fanbase listens to.
Squat Toilet
07-03-2007, 11:07 PM
Could somebody from Philly tell me how this Preston & Steve show is so popular ? I'm from Chicago and have never heard of them.
What kind of ' wacky ' show do they do, and have they been in Philly for years ?
gofurself
07-03-2007, 11:10 PM
Could somebody from Philly tell me how this Preston & Steve show is so popular ? I'm from Chicago and have never heard of them.
What kind of ' wacky ' show do they do, and have they been in Philly for years ?
They were on Philly's old alternative rock station Y100 for four years until the station got canned. Then went to classic rock station WMMR where they are now. They are a generic hacky radio show.
fuckwit
07-03-2007, 11:11 PM
Could somebody from Philly tell me how this Preston & Steve show is so popular ? I'm from Chicago and have never heard of them.
What kind of ' wacky ' show do they do, and have they been in Philly for years ?
i took a quick look at their wiki and it looks like they do alot of prize giveaways to callers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preston_and_Steve
sounds like a zoo show. :puke:
SKEPTIC
07-03-2007, 11:22 PM
I looked at that Wikipedia entry.
So, they have bits called Assword and Butt Plug Karaoke . . .
Butt Plug Karaoke
Casey-boy will insert a butt plug into his mouth and will sing a line or two from a song. Callers must figure out what song Casey is singing.
Oh. My. God.
A homo says what?
Spictastic
07-03-2007, 11:25 PM
Preston is a total douche, think Mancow, Steve can actually be pretty funny SOMETIMES, but they have a hole and 2 fruits on the show, It would probably be much better if it was the steve show. About the only semi funny bit they do is poo dollar...they have someone wipe their ass with a dollar bill and drops it somewhere, then when someone picks it up he comes out yelling poo dollar on a megaphone.:icon_roll
LiddyRules
07-03-2007, 11:36 PM
Put fucking rock music on in the afternoon, and watch the station's ratings soar. Am I the only one who hopes KROCK and their shitty playlist ends up doing poorly?
mendozathejew
07-04-2007, 12:28 AM
Am I the only one who hopes KROCK and their shitty playlist ends up doing poorly?
why would you hope for that?
Squat Toilet
07-04-2007, 12:29 AM
From the wikipedia entry these guys sound like a real hoot. I would describe them as John and Jeff on Roids. :icon_neut
LiddyRules
07-04-2007, 12:30 AM
why would you hope for that? I'm miserable and bitter.
mendozathejew
07-04-2007, 12:31 AM
I'm miserable and bitter.
fair enough
patty's wig
07-04-2007, 01:05 AM
That and running a show that ends an hour earlier than the competition
doesn't help either.
My feeling on that is too bad. I don't want another hour sacrificed to the fm show.
Kris_LTRMa
07-04-2007, 01:07 AM
Everyone's entitled to their opinions and obviously this guy enjoys zoo-type programing. I'd be curious to see what their ratings are vs. OnA's ratings
doobdoob
07-04-2007, 03:45 AM
Preston is a total douche, think Mancow, Steve can actually be pretty funny SOMETIMES, but they have a hole and 2 fruits on the show, It would probably be much better if it was the steve show. About the only semi funny bit they do is poo dollar...they have someone wipe their ass with a dollar bill and drops it somewhere, then when someone picks it up he comes out yelling poo dollar on a megaphone.:icon_roll
I laughed at that description.
Everyone trashes their fucking ratings. And wonder why they dont have Stern numbers.
Stern got fired from NBC in 85 and then in 86 got the morning slot and started getting syndicated by infinity (back when you could still do radio). Thats the equivalent of comparing Sterns ratings from 88 to his 04 ratings.
Fuck this asshole. Theres no reason for this. If you constantly flip formats and fire shows your never going to develop a fan base.
OnA are a good product. Leave them alone, let this PC bullshit die off so they can start doing radio again and watch the numbers soar.
Just tell those people that O&A are going to have fantastic ratings in 2023, the same amount of time it took Stern to get those ratings.
CaraC
07-04-2007, 04:51 AM
Just tell those people that O&A are going to have fantastic ratings in 2023, the same amount of time it took Stern to get those ratings.
I actually read this whole thread and found this to be so true. Stern has been around forever, you cant compare his ratings to O&A... in "2023," as you said, watch them keep truckin along... sure, they will deal with the republican leadership bullshit that is plaguing this country right now, and as long as the PC propaganda doesnt cauterize them they'll still be trucking. They are still soaring compared to howie and those of the like who are STUCK at the point theyre STUCK at right now. Theyre actually ADVANCING... which is more than what any of those their being compared to can say. Fuck what anyone has to say about where theyre at... theyve been a fan fave for long enough that theyre still moving ahead... whens the newest Hoo Hoo fan been seen? back in 1998. Where he/she belongs.
YourAmishDaddy
07-04-2007, 11:46 AM
Yes, put rock on after them, and everything will be fine. This from the radio duo that as soon as they hit the NYC market talked more and more over every song, between them, and marched every rock album out of WNEW and trashed them.
Now the music is supposed to help.
The legendary KRock.. The legendary WNEW was ten times more legendary.
NoSurviivors
07-04-2007, 12:01 PM
Am I the only one who hopes KROCK and their shitty playlist ends up doing poorly?
NY & Phila. need a rock station. The full day talk format isn't working. Morning talk shows are the norm for as long as I remember... whatever.
As for NY KROCK's playlist, it sucks. These lazy bastards should at least attempt to keep it current instead of simply starting where they left off with that format.
It really doesn't take a genius to run a radio station, but these guys are total fucking morons. Look into your demographic!
As for the preferred morning show, I agree that a show needs time to develop a fan base. Again, this sounds like common sense to me. But what the fuck do I know.
Radio PDs are looking for instant gratification with no effort.
YourAmishDaddy
07-04-2007, 12:07 PM
No what it takes is honesty. People don't listen to the fucking radio anymore.
RickMcCrank47
07-04-2007, 12:24 PM
I actually read this whole thread and found this to be so true. Stern has been around forever, you cant compare his ratings to O&A... in "2023," as you said, watch them keep truckin along... sure, they will deal with the republican leadership bullshit that is plaguing this country right now, and as long as the PC propaganda doesnt cauterize them they'll still be trucking. They are still soaring compared to howie and those of the like who are STUCK at the point theyre STUCK at right now. Theyre actually ADVANCING... which is more than what any of those their being compared to can say. Fuck what anyone has to say about where theyre at... theyve been a fan fave for long enough that theyre still moving ahead... whens the newest Hoo Hoo fan been seen? back in 1998. Where he/she belongs.
this girls got a good head on her shoulders...(granted you dont need some asshat like me tellin you that) i sent the fucko who wrote the article a letter, and i used real words instead of 'you fuckin suck balls, o&a rule!!!' i understand not EVERYONE is going to like the boys, but you will defintiely hear alot more about our support for them if they ever are removed (again...:mad4:)
gofurself
07-04-2007, 12:30 PM
About the only semi funny bit they do is poo dollar...they have someone wipe their ass with a dollar bill and drops it somewhere, then when someone picks it up he comes out yelling poo dollar on a megaphone.:icon_roll
That bit isn't even their own creation. I saw that on either the CKY3 or CKY2K videos and it was called "Shit Dollar." Bam Margera is listed as a frequent guest on their wikipedia article but that doesn't make the bit any more original.
NoSurviivors
07-04-2007, 12:31 PM
No what it takes is honesty. People don't listen to the fucking radio anymore.
I don't agree totally. Always felt that if you cater to your customer (although the product is free) some will come back & stay.
Other talk shows on NEW didn't do incredibly well if I remember correct.
YourAmishDaddy
07-04-2007, 12:57 PM
I don't agree totally. Always felt that if you cater to your customer (although the product is free) some will come back & stay.
Other talk shows on NEW didn't do incredibly well if I remember correct.
Well one thing people are going to have to realize is O&A have kinda marginalized themselves down to being niche humor. Only a select few people are going to turn on a radio and get what O&A do. There's no party vibe like there was in afternoons that drew people in when they were winding down and could tune in and laugh. In the morning people are stressed out, trying to get to work, suffering from information burnout and to be frankly honest won't be in the right mind to take on the more tense mood the show has evolved into. The show itself has become as a whole more angry, and biting.
People simply have their own problems, and aren't going to be overwhelmingly willing to relate to a few guys on the radio who all probably have more money than they do talking about stuff that really doesn't affect them.
The people here are die-hard fans, and few can place themselves in how a new listener may take the show as it is now.
O&A are pretty much a private club. If you're disaffected, white, pissed off, and don't have too much ADD to listen for more than a week you may get hooked. But that leaves a LOT of the world out of reach. Because most people don't take that much time to do anything these days. That's the biggest obstacle. Take the time to get into this show, or just pop on the headphones and the ipod and listen to what they already know they like.
SonnyForelli
07-04-2007, 01:33 PM
well, I have already stated my opinion and its just my opinion, "but what do I know, I'm just a fan" almost a year ago on how O&A would get there ratings up higher on terrestrial radio and not have to change a thing they do as far as doing there show.
I'm not going to mention it in this thread as I just mentioned it in another one recently.
Ill give you a hint and you think about it, I'm 40, and I am already a fan so I am am going to listen no mater what. In its target of men 18 to 49, you want to get them early in life while there still molding there young minds.
Are young minds really ready to mold between 6 to 9 in the morning?
SonnyForelli
07-04-2007, 01:39 PM
Well one thing people are going to have to realize is O&A have kinda marginalized themselves down to being niche humor. Only a select few people are going to turn on a radio and get what O&A do. There's no party vibe like there was in afternoons that drew people in when they were winding down and could tune in and laugh. In the morning people are stressed out, trying to get to work, suffering from information burnout and to be frankly honest won't be in the right mind to take on the more tense mood the show has evolved into. The show itself has become as a whole more angry, and biting.
People simply have their own problems, and aren't going to be overwhelmingly willing to relate to a few guys on the radio who all probably have more money than they do talking about stuff that really doesn't affect them.
The people here are die-hard fans, and few can place themselves in how a new listener may take the show as it is now.
O&A are pretty much a private club. If you're disaffected, white, pissed off, and don't have too much ADD to listen for more than a week you may get hooked. But that leaves a LOT of the world out of reach. Because most people don't take that much time to do anything these days. That's the biggest obstacle. Take the time to get into this show, or just pop on the headphones and the ipod and listen to what they already know they like.
well, I have already stated my opinion and its just my opinion, "but what do I know, I'm just a fan" almost a year ago on how O&A would get there ratings up higher on terrestrial radio and not have to change a thing they do as far as doing there show.
I'm not going to mention it in this thread as I just mentioned it in another one recently.
Ill give you a hint and you think about it, I'm 40, and I am already a fan so I am am going to listen no mater what. In its target of men 18 to 49, you want to get them early in life while there still molding there young minds.
Are young minds really ready to mold between 6 to 9 in the morning?
Geez, for someone who has over 3000 post how come I never head you before? :clap: on your post
YourAmishDaddy
07-04-2007, 01:44 PM
Times are changing anyway. And none of us are getting younger. Take an 18 year old today and try to get them to sit through The Exorcist. That movie was scary as hell to me back in the day. Today a 20 year old shakes that shit off and is bored. Sonny is 40 I'm 34, and O&A, well..
I mean we get a lot of the show references. Robert Reed, and Murray Slaughter, and Clockwork Orange, and Caddyshack and Silence of The Lambs. But younger people today are what a large portion of who is being marketed to. They don't get that stuff. They know Borat and shit like that. American Idol and that shitty stuff.
And in order to build a massive audience the lower end of that 18-34 demo is what you need. They have a lot of spare time and disposable income. And at what point can't they be reached by 40 year olds?
EDIT: I've been around, Sonny. Just mostly in the Ron and Fez and Current Events forums. Been a fan of O&A for years though.
LiddyRules
07-04-2007, 01:51 PM
The people here are die-hard fans, and few can place themselves in how a new listener may take the show as it is now. This is a very good point. Coming into Opie and Anthony now is like coming into a long running television series halfway through. There's so much history to it, so many previous plotlines and the tone has changed drastically. Every once in awhile they might catch you up on but things have changed. The "new listener" excuse was passable on XM, they seemed a lot more open there. But there is something really odd about the tone of the show since they moved to FM. And I do realize that the changing rules in radio effects it all but the show isn't completely not to blame. But maybe the demo has completely changed. I got into O+A when I was 17/18 but I also liked shit like Clockwork and Exorcist. Is 6 years that much of a difference that people don't like O+A-type humor/older movies?
But I also agree with you that radio is useless and needs to offer something different. If anything, people listen to it when they don't have CDs or iPod with them and just want some driving music but you're never going to have people saying "Dude, you have to turn into K-Rock, they just played Holiday by Green Day." What might be a sign of people talking? A show with no promotion becoming second in their demo in less than 3 months.
AnalLeakage
07-04-2007, 01:55 PM
Well one thing people are going to have to realize is O&A have kinda marginalized themselves down to being niche humor. Only a select few people are going to turn on a radio and get what O&A do. There's no party vibe like there was in afternoons that drew people in when they were winding down and could tune in and laugh. In the morning people are stressed out, trying to get to work, suffering from information burnout and to be frankly honest won't be in the right mind to take on the more tense mood the show has evolved into. The show itself has become as a whole more angry, and biting.
...
I'll tell you what.. Ron and Fez 12-3 and O and A's 3pm replay is the only way I'll listen since the great Imus meltdowns of '07. Opie sounds like he has kids being held ransom by a terrorist group since then. For F's sake this should be his moment in the sun being on the big stage with Letterman and Leno and the virus tour. Come on Ope, snap out of it, you have 6 bathrooms for F's sake.
YourAmishDaddy
07-04-2007, 02:06 PM
But I also agree with you that radio is useless and needs to offer something different. If anything, people listen to it when they don't have CDs or iPod with them and just want some driving music but you're never going to have people saying "Dude, you have to turn into K-Rock, they just played Holiday by Green Day." What might be a sign of people talking? A show with no promotion becoming second in their demo in less than 3 months.
I'm gonna just give an honest opinion. I love O&A I love R&F. Look at the Free FM experiment. Maybe because Ron and Fez had that evening spot. Plus they're a shitload more laid back is what did that? I am only guessing.
That Perry Ferrell show was pretty good. And it shows you don't have to be 20 years old to do a music related thing. (My fucking God look at Matt Pinfield) So I'll lay off O&A being older.
Only thing left is that late afternoon early evening timeslot. Because Ron and Fez had literally no promotion outside some sweepers. And did fairly well.
O&A WNEW era dominated in the ratings in it's timeslot in almost every station it was on. That can't be taken away. The boys now are a hell of a lot more smart, and have gotten even better at getting things done on air. They know how to market themselves better now than ever. Look at the Travelling Virus Shows.
I really would love the ability to test it out. But the timeslot is a sore subject here. I can understand why, but imagine the possibility.
ChimneyFish
07-04-2007, 02:50 PM
There's one way, and one way only, that O&A are going to fix this.
Dan from Hoboken
Debbie1125
07-04-2007, 03:53 PM
"How mighty are Preston & Steve? Their share of the male audience in May was more than 21/2 times that of KYW and more than three times that of DeBella."
I was shocked when I read this John DeBella is ahead of O&A???? WTF is up with that? I switch to WMGK during commercials on WYSP and he's not funny at all.
Maybe the poster in a previous thread who stated that Philly listeners prefer "local", is correct. Preston & Steve, Kidd Chris and John DeBella talk about alot of topics that are of interest locally. I used to like Kidd Chris in the afternoon, but for some reason (probably the politically correct BS), his show isn't that good anymore.
It doesn't help that the boys are only on until 9:00. Why don't they do 6 to 10, then play music until Kidd Chris comes on at 3:00?
mikeybot
07-04-2007, 03:59 PM
There's one way, and one way only, that O&A are going to fix this.
Dan from Hoboken
:clap::clap:
Fast Freddie from Jamaica Station couldn't hurt either.
LiddyRules
07-04-2007, 05:46 PM
I think another thing people ought to realize is that hack, lame, generic bullshit will almost always beat out original, clever, different, mean or controversial. Why should radio be any different? Howard was different, he came in at the right time, and stuck around for even longer. O+A in afternoon was a different situation, when they came to fame on WNEW it was a much different, more open, more willing time than in 2007. People seemed to want something like O+A far more than they do now.
And yes, I agree with YAD that the timeslot might have a huge thing to do with it. O+A/R+F work better as afternoon/evening shows than morning shows.
SonnyForelli
07-04-2007, 09:10 PM
I'm gonna just give an honest opinion. I love O&A I love R&F. Look at the Free FM experiment. Maybe because Ron and Fez had that evening spot. Plus they're a shitload more laid back is what did that? I am only guessing.
That Perry Ferrell show was pretty good. And it shows you don't have to be 20 years old to do a music related thing. (My fucking God look at Matt Pinfield) So I'll lay off O&A being older.
Only thing left is that late afternoon early evening timeslot. Because Ron and Fez had literally no promotion outside some sweepers. And did fairly well.
O&A WNEW era dominated in the ratings in it's timeslot in almost every station it was on. That can't be taken away. The boys now are a hell of a lot more smart, and have gotten even better at getting things done on air. They know how to market themselves better now than ever. Look at the Travelling Virus Shows.
I really would love the ability to test it out. But the timeslot is a sore subject here. I can understand why, but imagine the possibility.
No it isn't. I have been saying this since from almost the first time the ratings came in from them being back on terrestrial radio. Anthony and Jimmy surely wouldn't mind as they mentioned this before. Now, Im gonna go out on a limb here and I will probably get pounded for it but I am prepared to get my ass reamed if necessary. And before I actually open my big mouth, I should really really understand the facts and ask this question first. Who's ultimate decision (other then the radio station) is it to have the show on in the morning in the first place?
now I know some people will know where I am going with this, but what ever the answer is I still would like to see the show move to the Afternoon time slot
Lonelily
07-04-2007, 10:37 PM
The people here are die-hard fans, and few can place themselves in how a new listener may take the show as it is now.
O&A are pretty much a private club. If you're disaffected, white, pissed off, and don't have too much ADD to listen for more than a week you may get hooked. But that leaves a LOT of the world out of reach. Because most people don't take that much time to do anything these days. That's the biggest obstacle. Take the time to get into this show, or just pop on the headphones and the ipod and listen to what they already know they like.
I really agree with you here. Though I've listened for awhile, I still feel excluded to a point. Also, when you don't live locally, it's hard to really feel like a part of it all, or really connected.
topher520
07-04-2007, 10:56 PM
Hoo Hoo someone is talkin about ratings ROBIN! I was always number One around the world Benji...Tell em fred!
I hate you all
Brokeback Jimmy
07-04-2007, 11:51 PM
I often think the show was better in the afternoon time slot.
I'm almost NEVER getting up at 6 AM. I usually listen to the first hour of the show on the afternoon XM replay.
To be honest, I couldn't care less about ratings. Sure, I love to see the boys do well, but I listen on XM, and if the CBS show went away tomorrow it would just mean a return to an all XM show. IMHO, the CBS show is kinda watered down. I like listening to the boys tap dance around the FCC regs, but the XM shows they did from the time they came off premium to the time they went on CBS are radio gold.
The shows before the Sex for Sam firing were awesome (I listened here in Philly on 'YSP in the afternoons) and I think today's PC climate has affected the show a LOT.
Today's best of was end to end RADIO GOLD. Ant doing his Nixon impression, Ben Stein being declared an enemy of the show, and the "Win Ben Stein's" bit were just fucking awesome.
And the ol' Ronald Reagan impression was just a blast from the past.
Ant just does some awesome impressions. I listened to 202 wall to wall today, great stuff for the 4th....
LiddyRules
07-05-2007, 12:49 AM
Who's ultimate decision (other then the radio station) is it to have the show on in the morning in the first place?
I don't know if you take what Opie says with a grain of salt but when they first started on XM he mentioned how it made more sense for them to have a show that starts at the beginning of the day rather than a show that is kind of in the middle of the day. It makes a lot of sense to be honest, even at the expense of the show.
Rackrunner
07-05-2007, 01:56 AM
I don't know if you take what Opie says with a grain of salt but when they first started on XM he mentioned how it made more sense for them to have a show that starts at the beginning of the day rather than a show that is kind of in the middle of the day. It makes a lot of sense to be honest, even at the expense of the show.It makes sense in a couple different ways. They get to talk about the daily events without being the 7000th people to have an opinion on them like they were on afternoons, and the morning talk audience is the most lucrative and captive audience during the weekday. Morning drive listeners are always in the car stuck listening, getting ratings up, driving ad revenue, and thus creating a better payday for the air talent.
Dr. Hoffman
07-05-2007, 09:54 AM
I actually read this whole thread and found this to be so true. Stern has been around forever, you cant compare his ratings to O&A... in "2023," as you said, watch them keep truckin along... sure, they will deal with the republican leadership bullshit that is plaguing this country right now, and as long as the PC propaganda doesnt cauterize them they'll still be trucking. They are still soaring compared to howie and those of the like who are STUCK at the point theyre STUCK at right now. Theyre actually ADVANCING... which is more than what any of those their being compared to can say. Fuck what anyone has to say about where theyre at... theyve been a fan fave for long enough that theyre still moving ahead... whens the newest Hoo Hoo fan been seen? back in 1998. Where he/she belongs.
I've gotta disagree with this point of your post Cara. As tough as the Republicans and the FCC have made broadcasting post "titty-gate"; I think the larger threat comes from the extreme liberal left. Groups like Move-On.org and George Soros are the ones monitoring everything going out over the airwaves and bringing what they deem to be unacceptable and hurtful to the publics eye. In every instance recently, Imus, JV&E and the Boys one of the smaller groups affiliated with Move-On have been the ones to get the story out to the press, in each instance 2-3 days later.
MilkmanDan
07-05-2007, 10:18 AM
I often think the show was better in the afternoon time slot.
Yeah definitely. But thats a lower paying position so can understand the morning thing. As it stands right now I barely ever get to listen until a replay which I usually listen to daily.
And if I'm listening, I'm listening on XM, not WYSP. So I'm detracting from the WYSP ratings which will never show how many people are actually listening since they dont combine the 2. Most people with XM are listening with XM instead of their local station. Why is this never factored into any of these articles?
brista21
07-05-2007, 10:34 AM
Opie mentioned it and he is absolutely right they compete with themselves on XM. In DC, New York, Philly, Boston where all the diehards from the NEW days were ended up getting XM Units when they started on XM. If you combined the number of XM listeners in Philly with the number of terrestrial listeners in Philly you get a true indication of the fanbase there and I'm willing to bet the farm it ain't so middling.
OlGravyLeg
07-05-2007, 11:53 AM
It makes sense in a couple different ways. They get to talk about the daily events without being the 7000th people to have an opinion on them like they were on afternoons, and the morning talk audience is the most lucrative and captive audience during the weekday. Morning drive listeners are always in the car stuck listening, getting ratings up, driving ad revenue, and thus creating a better payday for the air talent.
See, I really prefer that for a couple of reasons. Mostly, because, quite frankly, I don't really care about them talking about the issues of the day. I just want them to talk about random stuff and have fun and be funny. Back in afternoon drive, they just relaxed, did funny bits, Ant would go off on a tear for 20 or 30 mins with a great impression feeding off of Opie. They'd talk about stuff that was relevent to what they were into rather than just rattling off the news stories of the day.
I know what Sonny is alluding to and I totally agree. I understand that Opie wants to put them in the no.1 spot where Howard was and to be the biggest show in the biggest spot, yadda, yadda. But the show itself is clearly better suited to afternoons. And everybody, as funny as they are in the mornings, were much funnier in the afternoons. The party atmosphere just isn't there anymore and it's impossible for it to be there in the early morning.
I much preferred the laid-back, happy, care-free O&A to the angry, spite-filled O&A.
YourAmishDaddy
07-05-2007, 11:57 AM
I much preferred the laid-back, happy, care-free O&A to the angry, spite-filled O&A.
:clap:
The Philadelphia market does not appreciate or deserve OnA. The radio audience in Philly is so pathetic, a pussy like John DeBella is still a popular jock in that city. Debella got punked in his hometown back in 1990 when Howard Stern invaded Philly, kicked Debella's ass in the ratings, and staged a mock funeral in front of Debella's radio station. When Stern found out that DeBella's marriage was on the rocks, he came back and staged a "divorce party" in front of WMMR where Debella was working. Stern hired a flatbed truck to pull up in front of the station loaded with drunk guys yelling, 'I fucked your wife! I fucked your wife!'
meanmarv
07-05-2007, 12:25 PM
I hope someone in the BBBoys organization is looking into the eventual end of working for XM or regular radio. They need to look into a streaming subscription site (or similar) and then they can get rid of the assholes that don't like what they do. I'm sure down the road there will be another way to broadcast uncensored. It would suck not to be able to listen in my vehicle
I know many things were discussed when the 30 day break was taken. I think all avenues should be explored before the plug is pulled again!
Anyone that does not like what they say can eat my smelly ass. People forget why our Country was founded. If you don't like it, change the channel like Shawn H. says!
lwalker
07-05-2007, 12:40 PM
Opie mentioned it and he is absolutely right they compete with themselves on XM. In DC, New York, Philly, Boston where all the diehards from the NEW days were ended up getting XM Units when they started on XM. If you combined the number of XM listeners in Philly with the number of terrestrial listeners in Philly you get a true indication of the fanbase there and I'm willing to bet the farm it ain't so middling.
That is sort of a spin
FM ratings are not metered, people fill out daily listener diaries
Any fan with XM would fill out the local FM station (there is not XM option on the diaries)
Opie knows that
Also the XM numbers are spead out across the country and the amount of XM subscribers in every city would maybe make a 0.1 dent anyway
R.BuddDwyer
07-05-2007, 01:44 PM
I hate their being in mornings. I listen via replays 98% of the time cause 6-9 is too damn early and it only allows me the small time I'm getting ready and then in the car to listen live.
Preston and Steve are horrendous, but as has been said, hacky shit will aways have mass appeal, which is why things like American Idol and reality TV is so popular.
When I think back though, when O+A were on WYSP pre-St. Pat's, who was in the realm of even hacky competition in afternoons (or even competition for Stern in mornings)? I can't remember any (and similarly Kid Chris doesn't have any at the moment).
As for Debella, he's much worse than even P+S. Was he as dreadful as he is now when Stern beat the shit out of him or has he worsened with age and wear? If he was, no wonder he was beat and its a wonder he was ever #1.
Debbie1125
07-05-2007, 02:27 PM
I've gotta disagree with this point of your post Cara. As tough as the Republicans and the FCC have made broadcasting post "titty-gate"; I think the larger threat comes from the extreme liberal left. Groups like Move-On.org and George Soros are the ones monitoring everything going out over the airwaves and bringing what they deem to be unacceptable and hurtful to the publics eye. In every instance recently, Imus, JV&E and the Boys one of the smaller groups affiliated with Move-On have been the ones to get the story out to the press, in each instance 2-3 days later.
Homan, I agree with you 100%. The liberals with their politically correct BS and "words that hurt" garbage have taken alot of the fun out of morning radio, much moreso than the conservatives. They go on and on about free speech but are worse at shutting it down.
I've downloaded alot of O&A shows that were broadcast "pre-Imus firing". The CBS portion in particular was funnier than it is now. Don't get me wrong, I still like the boys. After all they are doing the best they can with these tight restrictions; however, alot of the bits prior to mid-April had me laughing to the point of tears. That doesn't happen much anymore. I still enjoy O&A but I miss the racial tinged humor
Redding
07-05-2007, 02:35 PM
That is sort of a spin
FM ratings are not metered, people fill out daily listener diaries
Any fan with XM would fill out the local FM station (there is not XM option on the diaries)
Opie knows that
Also the XM numbers are spead out across the country and the amount of XM subscribers in every city would maybe make a 0.1 dent anyway
do u realize that philly uses a new ratings system, they dont have the radio diaries...also i have never known a person who ever recieved one of those diaries..
Dr. Hoffman
07-05-2007, 02:38 PM
Homan, I agree with you 100%. The liberals with their politically correct BS and "words that hurt" garbage have taken alot of the fun out of morning radio, much moreso than the conservatives. They go on and on about free speech but are worse at shutting it down.
I've downloaded alot of O&A shows that were broadcast "pre-Imus firing". The CBS portion in particular was funnier than it is now. Don't get me wrong, I still like the boys. After all they are doing the best they can with these tight restrictions; however, alot of the bits prior to mid-April had me laughing to the point of tears. That doesn't happen much anymore. I still enjoy O&A but I miss the racial tinged humor
And please don't anybody get me wrong. I 110% believe that the actions the conservatives and the FCC made after "boobie-gate" and to this day are ridiculous as well. Fact of the matter is all politicians are idiots.
And to whoever said it, Cara does have a very nice head on her shoulders, among other things. ;)
Hey_Asshole
07-05-2007, 02:44 PM
.....If you constantly flip formats and fire shows your never going to develop a fan base.
OnA are a good product. Leave them alone, let this PC bullshit die off so they can start doing radio again and watch the numbers soar.
:clap::clap::clap:
Debbie1125
07-05-2007, 02:47 PM
And please don't anybody get me wrong. I 110% believe that the actions the conservatives and the FCC made after "boobie-gate" and to this day are ridiculous as well. Fact of the matter is all politicians are idiots.
All politicians ARE idiots. When the conservatives try to censor they go more for anything sexual in nature or nudity. One of the writers for an independent newspaper here in Philly described the Janet Jackson incident as "the tit that launched a thousand censors". It's funny and all too true
Opie and Anthony have said numerous times on their show that politicians should focus on more important issues, like the war in Iraq, the deficit, etc, and they are correct.
Redding
07-05-2007, 02:50 PM
All politicians ARE idiots. When the conservatives try to censor they go more for anything sexual in nature or nudity. One of the writers for an independent newspaper here in Philly described the Janet Jackson incident as "the tit that launched a thousand censors". It's funny and all too true
Opie and Anthony have said numerous times on their show that politicians should focus on more important issues, like the war in Iraq, the deficit, etc, and they are correct.
absolutely right, Politicians get excited when something dealing with language comes up because then they dont have to take a stance on real issues...
DowntownDave
07-05-2007, 02:52 PM
Mike Klein - Philadelphia Inquirer - calls for the boys to be replaced:
WYSP, once on top, has a way to go. In its target of men 18 to 49, it was 13th out of 28 stations in May's Arbitron rankings. Brightest spot was afternooner Kidd Chris, who was sixth and might be a wiser choice for mornings than the middling-rated and syndicated Opie & Anthony. WYSP has been looking for a program director since last month, when Gil Edwards was let go.
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/columnists/michael_klein/20070701_Inqlings___Another_survivor_eatery_bows_o ut.html
Contact columnist Michael Klein
at 215-854-5514 or mklein@phillynews.com
It is easy to criticize radio when you don't work in it. If there was such a thing as a choice in newspapers, I wonder where this guy would rate?
Rating are such bullshit anyway. For one thing, stations directed at negroes and spics get "multipliers" to artificially increase their ratings, thus their ad rates.
They also divide things into ridiculous demographics. Why do we care about 18-34 y/o's? Those are people in their "salad days." Why not target the older Americans who's kids have left home, houses are paid for, etc? They have the money.
Ratings also only measure the shrink crowd of hardcore radio listeners who have not switched to satellite or some kind of MP3 player- the ones more likely to stick to lame, old traditional radio.
As far as the boys, they are new in all these markets. The show is limited to a small demographic because they are niche radio. It also takes a while to get into the show and understand it. People prolly turn on the show and, because they don't get it in the first five minutes, they switch back to the idiotic zoo programs they are used to.
YourAmishDaddy
07-05-2007, 02:54 PM
Til this day as O&A have been doing radio who has caused them the most trouble? i.e. getting them fired and suspended. Other than Mumbles Menino, it's been The Catholic Church, and fear of statements made about a Bush administration official.
Stop it already.
Redding
07-05-2007, 02:59 PM
It really makes me sad to be in the philly market, I hear so many dopes telling me that im missing out on Preston and Steve and Kidd Chris and i tell them im not, i would rather listen to O&A in the morning and listen to the replay then listen to the shit Kidd Chris does. I had one friend telling me how funny the retarded cooks audio was, i told him O&A played that too...i asked if anyone said anything funny about it on the show...he said not really.....thats the difference between O&A and other show...both shows play funny audio, but O&A and lil jimmy are able to make something funny out of it.
Redding
07-05-2007, 03:00 PM
Til this day as O&A have been doing radio who has caused them the most trouble? i.e. getting them fired and suspended. Other than Mumbles Menino, it's been The Catholic Church, and fear of statements made about a Bush administration official.
Stop it already.
CBS radio in general has been a thorn in there side by creating rules that are not even FCC rules...
BeltOfScotch
07-05-2007, 03:08 PM
As far as the boys, they are new in all these markets.
Haven't they been on in Philly for over a year? And, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't O&A get to No. 1 in New York in afternoons within a year on WNEW?
I agree that a lot of O&A's issues come from the climate of the radio business and their ability to do their show, but the time thing is crap.
Personally, I think YAD nailed it in terms of the attitude of the show. For the most part, the show has lost the laid back hanging out atmosphere unless there are multiple comedians in the studio busting balls.
YourAmishDaddy
07-05-2007, 03:18 PM
CBS radio in general has been a thorn in there side by creating rules that are not even FCC rules...
I can understand that to a certain degree. Yes the world has changed. But to call everything PC is bullshit. Sometimes shit people say on the radio is just disrespectful. And within reason being pissed off and boycotting is the thing to do. Some of the people on this side of radio have become as much if not more than obnoxious as those on the other side.
Hell, anyone says anything bad about O&A on the radio, or a newspaper, or a magazine and 8,000 fucking people raise all kinds of shit. Mass pest attacks, organized emails, people buying bulletin boards, and shutting down phone lines.
Because someone disrespected O&A, and that's great. So if a radio guy gets on and disrespects someone it's not right for any other group of people to be pissed off?
If I got on and said the military is a bunch of baby killing rapists people would have my fucking head. And rightly so. So yeah I can understand people being overly touchy, but sometimes the shit is warranted. Everything is not "PC Bullshit"
Some of it is just people being outraged over being disrespected. Some have taken this war against political correctness to the point they expect to be able to say anything with impunity. Well there are consequences to what you say. It was that way 50 years ago, 100 years ago, and will always be that way.
There's no such thing as free speech. Especially when a company, or subscribers, or advertisers are paying for it. Sad fact of life.
I much rather listen to the bbbboys in the afternoon. I think that doing morning shows is like going to work, they have to wake up early in the morning and go do their jobs. While in the afternoon, it feels like they're just hanging out after a night of drinking and partying and are more laid back.
Redding
07-05-2007, 03:29 PM
I hate that whenever theres a thread about how the O&A show is going it immediately turns into "they should go back to middays" its been about 4 years since they started on xm enough already there not going back...
LiddyRules
07-05-2007, 03:29 PM
Listening to the best ofs, something else I miss was the insane callers. We have Marge but that seems to be it. The old show used to be full of insane (not crazy with a K but crazy with a C) recurring people like Irene or the girl who thought she was Anthony's daughter (was it?). Now the entire cast seems to have been trimmed down tremendously to the point where all we have is Marge, Big A (who has gone to R+F), Twitchels (who has gone to Preston and Steve), Pat from Moonachi (who doesn't really appear on the show), and Stalker Patty (who seems to have gotten slightly more confident and adult which makes the abuse not as funny/entertaining as when she was homeless).
And I'm not one who likes the idea of a Wack Pack but there was something about those hanger-ons that gave the old show a bit of an extra flair/clubhouse experience. Now it just seems to be the crew of the show as people other than the Big 5 who get on mic. Maybe that's an afternoon thing, I don't know.
vegasbob
07-05-2007, 03:30 PM
Politically Correct & Right Wing Religious Ass Hats is whats killing America.
Redding
07-05-2007, 03:34 PM
I believe the major turning point for this show was the day they got rid of the jager machine on the xm show...
SabresRule
07-05-2007, 04:55 PM
Klein is a douche, a Stern zombie and blows Preston & Steve every chance he gets. Nothing to see here. Move along.
RickMcCrank47
07-05-2007, 07:39 PM
My Letter to Mike Klein.....
Mr. Klein,
I would like to start by letting you know how wrong you on your comments about replacing Opie and Anthony. These men have been a staple in the Philly market for years, and they have a fan base (ie: me and the other emails im assuming youll receive) that is second to none. O&A have been able to broadcast on two highly different mediums with great amounts of success. The Travelling Virus Comedy tour is making its stop in Philly, which will bring in people to the city and also will help to boost ratings on the station. Before you pull the wool over your eyes and tell people they need the 'safe show' for mornings, listen to their show with a neutral ear, not a biased one. listen for the comedic value, not to find out which group to report to for what was just said. i hope youll become a fan and print a retraction
DCM
Sarasota, FL
O&A fan since 2001
His response....
Thanks for your note. I am basing this opinion on their ratings, which are terrible. I'm also a firm believer of locally based shows, and not syndicated. What is successful in New York or Sarasota might not be the right choice for Philadelphia.
Michael Klein
it seems like hes just a corporate douche who doesnt listen to the show AT ALL. If he listened to the show, he would know how hard they try to be local in almost every market they broadcast to. people like this are allowed to have an opinion, they should just keep it to themselves.
hardrocknrock
07-05-2007, 07:50 PM
it seems like hes just a corporate douche who doesnt listen to the show AT ALL. If he listened to the show, he would know how hard they try to be local in almost every market they broadcast to. people like this are allowed to have an opinion, they should just keep it to themselves.
If was really a corporate douche, wouldn't he be in favor of the big monolithic syndicated program and against local programming? At least attack him for the right reasons.
If Starbucks came into town and put Ma and Pop's Coffee out of business, he'd complain about that, too. Even if it was discovered that Pop put his own "special ingredients" into the decaf.
YourAmishDaddy
07-05-2007, 08:12 PM
The guy is entitled to his opinion. He never bad mouthed O&A. It's his opinion. geez.
I think Opie and Anthony will turn things around in the Philly market if they stop devoting entire radio programs to vomit and defecation.
LiddyRules
07-05-2007, 09:42 PM
I think Opie and Anthony will turn things around in the Philly market if they stop devoting entire radio programs to vomit and defecation. I heard they're thinking about bringing "bitching" and "complaining" into the mix.
Gonzoid
07-05-2007, 09:46 PM
I think Sonny makes a very valid point about the differences between the show being in the morning versus afternoon. You always got the feeling on NEW that they were hanging with their friends, drinking beer and that the party was going to go on well past 7pm. Now, they are downing coffee to stay awake and are in a mad rush to get home as soon as it hits 11am. It went from being fun to being a job for them...the show is still hilarious mosyt of the time, but the overall vibe around it has changed with the move to mornings. I know OnA say that by being on early, they can be the first to talk about the news of the day, but who really cares? The fact is that they report cultural events and news a hell of a lot different than 99% of the other shows out there so regardless, it does not matter when they report it to me. OnA could have stayed on XM and never had gone back to FreeFM but their ego to be #1 pushed them into it. I do not mean that as a negative, anyone else probably would as well. I also think RnF are better suited by evenings as well...
And also, to latch onto another point made here, the show comes off as very angry, intense, and even bitter. Listen to the old shows and you would never get that vibe...I honestly believe that is partially Jimmy's effect on the show. A lot of people who are not familar with teh show probably do not want to start their day listening to these guys complain about management, messageboards, the hours, etc. As funny as the show is, the vibe has changed and I do not think it is one that is condusive to a wide audience.
Last point, and this is a personal one for me...I do wish they would spend more time doing the show than actually talking about the show.
RMM46
07-05-2007, 10:11 PM
The show does have a more angry vibe to it than WNEW, and it partially is due to Jimmy.
But I think that with everything that went on with Howard and being hung out to dry after S4S, then having to start out all over again from square one would make somebody bitter and angry. Couple that with the whole morning vs afternoon vibe, and you have what we have now.
Which is still the best show on the radio.
SonnyForelli
07-05-2007, 10:18 PM
I don't know if you take what Opie says with a grain of salt but when they first started on XM he mentioned how it made more sense for them to have a show that starts at the beginning of the day rather than a show that is kind of in the middle of the day. It makes a lot of sense to be honest, even at the expense of the show.
It makes sense in a couple different ways. They get to talk about the daily events without being the 7000th people to have an opinion on them like they were on afternoons, and the morning talk audience is the most lucrative and captive audience during the weekday. Morning drive listeners are always in the car stuck listening, getting ratings up, driving ad revenue, and thus creating a better payday for the air talent.
Read my post carefully and you will See I was talking about the terrestrial side of the show. On XM Its a totally different animal
Grace
07-05-2007, 10:38 PM
it seems like hes just a corporate douche who doesnt listen to the show AT ALL. If he listened to the show, he would know how hard they try to be local in almost every market they broadcast to. people like this are allowed to have an opinion, they should just keep it to themselves.
I don't get why people are attacking this guy... he didn't bash o&a, he just suggested the station should move a high rated show to replace a lower rated one. as much as it sucks to say, they ratings here aren't the best.
brista21
07-05-2007, 10:49 PM
That is sort of a spin
FM ratings are not metered, people fill out daily listener diaries
Any fan with XM would fill out the local FM station (there is not XM option on the diaries)
Opie knows that
Also the XM numbers are spead out across the country and the amount of XM subscribers in every city would maybe make a 0.1 dent anyway
No they aren't metered and sure a fan with XM would out the local FM station I figured that was assumed/implied here. What I'm saying is this the diehard fans that rushed out to get XMs when they were back are probably more than a 0.1 dent. Maybe not much more but probably more. Additionally since diaries are sent out randomly its entirely possible you could go a book where not one XM subscribing fan is getting said diary thus they aren't figuring into the numbers. I took enough statistics and research classes the past 4 years to know the reasoning behind Opie's argument. Its a valid argument that I believe in to an extent.
lwalker
07-06-2007, 02:27 AM
No they aren't metered and sure a fan with XM would out the local FM station I figured that was assumed/implied here. What I'm saying is this the diehard fans that rushed out to get XMs when they were back are probably more than a 0.1 dent. Maybe not much more but probably more. Additionally since diaries are sent out randomly its entirely possible you could go a book where not one XM subscribing fan is getting said diary thus they aren't figuring into the numbers. I took enough statistics and research classes the past 4 years to know the reasoning behind Opie's argument. Its a valid argument that I believe in to an extent.
I get you but if they have lets say 1 million at XM how many of those are in the Philly market to make that big of a dent in ratings?
I agree about how random Arbitron is though & is no exact science
AJellyDonut
07-06-2007, 11:23 AM
I haven't listened to the show on fm or xm in weeks. It's tough admitting that here.
SonnyForelli
07-06-2007, 11:33 AM
I haven't listened to the show on fm or xm in weeks. It's tough admitting that here.
And....Were waiting
YourAmishDaddy
07-06-2007, 11:53 AM
Well S4S happened. And yes they did wait it out for over two years. And got paid. And came back, and are a lot more rich and a lot more famous now because of it all. On one hand O&A talking about how in radio you literally fuck "up" And they have time and time again. Seems to me how they've constantly turned shit into gold over and over again they'd get off their crosses a bit and have a good time at least once.
If I get fired tomorrow from the one job I have where I don't employ myself I'm shit outta luck, and so are most of you. I don't get the luxury of everytime there's a holiday like the 4th of July taking it off and the rest of the week. I had to work on the 4th.
O&A have blessed charmed fucking lives, and no one should be that pissed off to that extent for that long. It's ridiculous. Move the damn show to afternoons, open some beer bottles and bring some fun back for fuck's sake. Then maybe you'll see bigger ratings.
VilleDick
07-06-2007, 03:22 PM
John DeBella has re-upped for two more years as morning man on WMGK (102.9). Arbitron ranked DeBella third among men 18 to 49, behind Preston & Steve on WMMR and news on KYW (1060). How mighty are Preston & Steve? Their share of the male audience in May was more than 21/2 times that of KYW and more than three times that of DeBella.
Wow, I didn't realize that DeBella was beating the boys too. What the fuck is wrong with my hometown?!?!? :mad4::mad4:
Glad to be in DC if that hack is running 3rd, I won't even mention Preston and Steve
Drederick Tatum
07-06-2007, 03:33 PM
Kidd Chris is kind of a media whore in Philly in that he kisses their ass and schmoozes A LOT. That's probably the basis for the original article.
I agree with what someone said earlier about Preston and Steve. Preston's a douche, Steve is actually very funny and pretty bright as well. The do have a hole who is just like every other hole on the radio - except with pretty nice boobs. But they're pretty much popular because they had a huge carry over audience from their Alt-Rock radio days.
I listened to them for awhile before O and A came back to YSP because they're better than Stern - especially towards the last year of Stern, God what awful radio, but since O and A came back I'll turn on Preston and Steve in the car after 9 just to have something on and it's so lousy compared to the boys I can't believe I ever really listened to that show.
LiddyRules
07-06-2007, 03:35 PM
I don't mind them having more money. I don't even mind them complaining. They used to complain during the old show. But the complaint went from two guys bitching about their jobs but still having fun to on-air business meetings.
Ted the Poster
07-06-2007, 03:40 PM
Wow, I didn't realize that DeBella was beating the boys too. What the fuck is wrong with my hometown?!?!? :mad4::mad4:
Glad to be in DC if that hack is running 3rd, I won't even mention Preston and Steve
Philly is Hack Town, apparently.
Dr. Hoffman
07-06-2007, 03:50 PM
Philly is Hack Town, apparently.
The Buckeyes are a hack football team.
yellowstonesteve
07-06-2007, 03:53 PM
Philly is Hack Town, apparently.
I fuckin hate to say it, but I have to agree. The big deal at our July 4th fireworks show was....Hall & Oats. We stink. :icon_redf
just take a look at this thread http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=70917 it shows how little interest there is in whats going on with WYSP, even when it pertains to the boys.
I'm a little disappointed in the show, though, for never really going after Preston & Steve. they took shots here and there, but they really should have just pounded on them constantly until it started working. Shit, thats what made Hoo Hoo so successful. P&S are the most visible competitor that they have, and they do nothing.
Drederick Tatum
07-06-2007, 03:57 PM
I fuckin hate to say it, but I have to agree. The big deal at our July 4th fireworks show was....Hall & Oats. We stink. :icon_redf
just take a look at this thread http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=70917 it shows how little interest there is in whats going on with WYSP, even when it pertains to the boys.
I'm a little disappointed in the show, though, for never really going after Preston & Steve. they took shots here and there, but they really should have just pounded on them constantly until it started working. Shit, thats what made Hoo Hoo so successful. P&S are the most visible competitor that they have, and they do nothing.
I agree. I never understood why they never went after them. Are MMR and YSP owned by the same company?
yellowstonesteve
07-06-2007, 03:59 PM
I agree. I never understood why they never went after them. Are MMR and YSP owned by the same company?
nope.
Gonzoid
07-06-2007, 06:04 PM
O&A have blessed charmed fucking lives, and no one should be that pissed off to that extent for that long. It's ridiculous. Move the damn show to afternoons, open some beer bottles and bring some fun back for fuck's sake. Then maybe you'll see bigger ratings.
:clap:
They also divide things into ridiculous demographics. Why do we care about 18-34 y/o's? Those are people in their "salad days." Why not target the older Americans who's kids have left home, houses are paid for, etc? They have the money.
Key Demos (especially 18-34) are what pay the bills. Old people suck.
mattiew23m
07-08-2007, 12:56 AM
I think Opie and Anthony will turn things around in the Philly market if they stop devoting entire radio programs to vomit and defecation.
But what else are you allowed to do on the radio, with Tom C watching you??
mattiew23m
07-08-2007, 01:07 AM
I think Opie and Anthony will turn things around in the Philly market if they stop devoting entire radio programs to vomit and defecation.
But what else are you allowed to do on the radio, with Tom C watching you??
There is a lot of debate on this lately, where my friends (which are fans of the show) have debates on everything. The conversation pretty much ends up w/. "Times change, what can ya do, just let the bbboys do honest radio, and pull off good radio with today's restrictions" (Even on XM) All you can do, is let them be them, and enjoy.
Michael Ryder
07-08-2007, 01:21 PM
Well the boys will be live in Philly for the Virus tour in Sept. so I doubt they will get shit canned from WYSP any time soon. The boys need some radio gold like the dead monkey hummer on their live from Philly show to get people talking about the show.
TeenBungle
07-09-2007, 04:58 AM
There is a lot of debate on this lately, where my friends (which are fans of the show) have debates on everything. The conversation pretty much ends up w/. "Times change, what can ya do, just let the bbboys do honest radio, and pull off good radio with today's restrictions" (Even on XM) All you can do, is let them be them, and enjoy.
You're friends are real intellectuals, huh? :action-sm
mattiew23m
07-09-2007, 05:24 AM
You're friends are real intellectuals, huh? :action-sm
We are opie and anthony fans, defineatly not intellectuals :)
NorfByNorfWest
07-09-2007, 05:26 AM
like anyone in philly is reading newspapers anyway. never been there, never have plans to go there. Actually I wouldn't go there ever.
mattiew23m
07-09-2007, 05:28 AM
like anyone in philly is reading newspapers anyway. never been there, never have plans to go there. Actually I wouldn't go there ever.
If only Billy Burr took your advice, but then again, we wouldn't of ended up with video GOLD last year...
NorfByNorfWest
07-09-2007, 05:31 AM
I guess.
ChurnRate
07-09-2007, 02:56 PM
Philly rocks - GO BIRDS!!!
R.BuddDwyer
07-10-2007, 03:40 AM
like anyone in philly is reading newspapers anyway. never been there, never have plans to go there. Actually I wouldn't go there ever.
Good, stay in your backwards, Socialist wasteland.
DowntownDave
07-10-2007, 08:49 AM
Good, stay in your backwards, Socialist wasteland.
Philly? Where the humorless fuckwads go to comedy shows just to harass comedians?
Go get your fucking cream cheese box
Grace
07-10-2007, 08:08 PM
I agree. I never understood why they never went after them. Are MMR and YSP owned by the same company?
I vaguely remember reading before that Ant is friends/friendly with Steve. I think it's usually Opie that bashes them, not him as much.
Debbie1125
07-10-2007, 09:17 PM
I vaguely remember reading before that Ant is friends/friendly with Steve. I think it's usually Opie that bashes them, not him as much.
You're right. I've noticed this on Monday and today's show. Opie will make a remark about P&S and Ant sticks to the current topic a majority of the time.
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