Chan Vs Lee Vs Li

[notmikeh]

I am watching Super Cop with Jackie Chan and started thinking...



Who would win in a fight Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee or Jet Li?

[Cromwell]

Come on - do you really need to ask?

Bruce Lee is God. :icon_cool

[Creampier]

I think Chuck Norris would fuck all of 'em up!

[Cromwell]

Ha.

Chuck Norris is a "good" MA guy - but he bows down to the little dragon.

[abudabit]

Bruce Lee is the only one who fought in real combat tournaments, right? The other two only do that controlled fighting. Hell, Bruce Lee invented a lot of fighting techniques.

Second would be Chan, he does his own stunts so you gotta give that to him.

[JMCC]

I think Chuck Norris would fuck all of 'em up!

Wrong, Bruce Lee gave him an ass kicking to remember...

[Cromwell]

Wrong, Bruce Lee gave him an ass kicking to remember...

Yeah, you can find it on Youtube.

I mean really - its no contest. Anyone who has seen Lee's films or studied his life - knows. Knows he is the greatest martial arts fighter (and therefore, greatest fighter) to ever live.

Its possible that somebody, someday could come along and be better - but that hasn't happened yet.

[notmikeh]

what about steven segal? is he worthy?

[Cromwell]

what about steven segal? is he worthy?

Yes.

He is a great Aikido fighter.

But - again - could not best the little dragon.

[notmikeh]

Yes.

He is a great Aikido fighter.

But - again - could not best the little dragon.

but he runs like a girl

[BelatedAbortion]

Bruce Lee would absolutely destroy everybody. Too fast, too adaptable, and with reflexes that make supercomputers look slow.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

Wrong, Bruce Lee gave him an ass kicking to remember...Yeah, you can find it on Youtube.

Yup, that you can....

JLO1YIWQuXE

There are like a dozen titles for the movie... (http://imdb.com/title/tt0068935/)

[Creampier]

Thanks for the vid JD!

Way of the Dragon... I'll have to check that out! You learn something new everyday!

[TallBaby]

Bruce Lee. And its not even close.

[Chin nuts]

Bruce Lee hands down the best that ever lived.

[YaHearIHearMe]

The karate kid....Thats what I say.
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Bruce Lee

[wes mantooth]

Brandon Lee hands down. He can stop a bullet.

[BaLZaC~308]

Bruce Lee is the only one who fought in real combat tournaments, right? The other two only do that controlled fighting. Hell, Bruce Lee invented a lot of fighting techniques.

Second would be Chan, he does his own stunts so you gotta give that to him.

fuck chan, hes a comedian not a fighter.


And I believe jet li competed in fights/tourney throughout his childhood into early adulthood

[abudabit]

But full contact? I think most of Jet Li's were exhibition and limited contact, could be wrong though.


Jet Li participated in the sport of wushu in the non-sparring event.

He is a form champion, not a fight champion. Although he is regarded as being one of the greatest ever when it comes to exhibition.

Bruce Lee on the other hand was all about fighting, not stances. His stances were mocked.

And Chan, before he was a comic kung fu guy, did stunts for Bruce Lee movies. I think he was even a stand in for Bruce Lee. Chan only started the comic kung fu when one of his early movies was the first successful of the comic kung fu genre. Jackie Chan is the real shit, he's the Mick Foley of martial arts movies.

[Fruit Monkey]

DONT FORGET THIS GUY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WrNErNxX1M

[leftybearfan]

Bruce Lee without a doubt.

VanDamne supposedly kicked much ass in his early days of competition. I'd like to see him and Segal (in their prime) fight.

[Voss's Tumor]

I'd like to see Royce Gracie and/or Gorges St. Pierre types considered here.

Chuck Norris unless you banned the roundhouse to the face.

[WMB]

Best Bruce Lee quote in "Dragon, The Bruce Lee Story":

Boards don't punch back

[Zona992006]

Bruce was the man. Dont get it confused though. He wasnt just a movie actor who knew some moves..this guy would be challenged on the street and he would always take them on. Always. The man was a Bad Ass.

[gleet]

Bruce Lee had a girly voice and I am not scared to say that because he is dead.

I vote for Michelle Yeoh.

[Hudson]

Bruce Lee and he totally owned Norris' ass in Return of the Dragon.

For best Scorpion kick though, gotta go with http://www.yo-video.com/image_perso/C/cynthia_rothrock/cynthia_rothrock.jpg

[jules]

Bruce Lee for sure.
it wouldnt even be close.

[Newmania]

Bruce all the way.

[BelatedAbortion]

I'm really surprised that some people actually voted for Jet Li. Sure the guy has great technique but his style is fatally one-dimensional. He's Kung Fu guy, a classically trained and very technical Kung Fu guy.

Bruce Lee was recorded history's first true MMA fighter. He used the best techniques from every style he came into contact with, and that well-roundedness would give him a decided advantage in a match against Jet Li.

[Deadbent]

Anyone who needs to wonder if those two acrobat actors compare in the slightest to bruce lee, needs to die, sorry. I'll send flowers and everything but stop stealing air from the rest of us. :p

It's like asking, what's better? Rush Hour 3, The Godfather, or Norbit.

[Kegkiller]

Bruce Lee fun-facts from wiki:

Bruce's phenomenal fitness meant he was capable of performing many exceptional physical feats. The following list are the physical feats that are documented and supported by reliable sources.

-Lee's striking speed from 3 feet with his hands down by his side reached five hundredths of a second.
-Lee could spring a 235lb opponent 15 feet away with a one inch punch.
-Lee's combat movements were at times too fast to be captured on film at 24fps, so many scenes were shot in 32fps to put Lee in slow motion. Normally martial arts films are sped up.
-In a speed demonstration, Lee could snatch a dime off a person's open palm before they could close it, and leave a penny behind.
-Lee could perform push ups using only his thumbs.
-Lee would hold an elevated v-sit position for 30 minutes or longer.
-Lee could throw grains of rice up into the air and then catch them in mid-flight using chopsticks.
-Lee performed one-hand push-ups using only the thumb and index finger
-Lee performed 50 reps of 1 arm chin-ups.
-From a standing position, Lee could hold a 125lb barbell straight out.
-Lee could break wooden boards 6 inches thick.
-Lee performed a sidekick while training with James Coburn and broke a 150-pound punching bag
-Lee could cause a 300-lb bag to fly towards and thump the ceiling with a sidekick.
-In a move that has been dubbed "Dragon Flag", Lee could perform leg lifts with only his shoulder blades resting on the edge of a bench and suspend his legs and torso perfectly horizontal midair.
-Lee could thrust his fingers through unopened steel cans of Coca-Cola, at a time before cans were made of the softer aluminum metal.
-Lee would use one finger to leave dramatic indentations on pine wood.

[thetick130]

um holy shit. that all cant be true

[abudabit]

Bruce Lee fun-facts from wiki:

I don't think those are true. No way. Some are believable but most have to be BS.

[fandango86]

Um, last time I checked, Bruce Lee was dead. Pretty sure I could kick his ass in the state he's in right now.

I voted Chan, as most of Jet Li's work is done with trick wires and CGI. Don't know if he's actually capable of fighting but he's never impressed me.

Assuming you mean in their primes, I still go with Chan in a street fight for his improvisational skills. And no, I'm not talking about Rush Hour and Shanghai Noon, I'm talking in his prime. In a ring, Bruce Lee obviously destroys both of them.

[BelatedAbortion]

Assuming you mean in their primes, I still go with Chan in a street fight for his improvisational skills. And no, I'm not talking about Rush Hour and Shanghai Noon, I'm talking in his prime. In a ring, Bruce Lee obviously destroys both of them.

Jackie Chan uses a team of martial artists to choreograph all of his fights in his films, none of that stuff is truly improvised, its practiced and shot over and over. Sorry but movie shit won't help you against someone who beat up everybody in real life.

And I believe 99% of what was written in the wiki because everything I've ever read about Lee affirms it.

[kloraferm]

No fucking way Bruce Lee wouldn't win.

[JMCC]

Best Bruce Lee quote in "Dragon, The Bruce Lee Story":

Boards don't punch back

QFT

[Capt.Caveman]

i'll go by weight class. i figure there all lightweights and all of the would get beatings from bj penn.

[bethm1b]

Jet Li and Jackie chan? You forgot Hong Kong Fooey. Bruce Lee could kick both of their asses in real life in his sleep.

[Zona992006]

Bruce Lee had a girly voice and I am not scared to say that because he is dead.

I vote for Michelle Yeoh.

Good point. Very insightfull

[Capt.Caveman]

dude he-man can kick all thier asses

[Cunt Smasher]

I'm proud of my fellow 'baggers for knowing this stuff.Jet Li grew up doing whatever the chinks call the kung fu version of kata's,Jackie was classically trained but definately NOT a fighter.Bruce Lee grerw up fighting for real,with real training which he expanded on by inventing Jeet Kun Do,and absolutely relentless training.No contest. But...against a modern MMA fighter combining Gracie style,striking,grappling,judo,etc, who knows? Remember the first several UFC's? Real fights of style vs. style,how many kung fu/karate types were worth a shit? Remember what Royce Gracie did to the guy who was 7 time open class full contact karate champion of Japan? Broke his arm in about 2 minutes as I remember it.

[Voss's Tumor]

I'm proud of my fellow 'baggers for knowing this stuff.Jet Li grew up doing whatever the chinks call the kung fu version of kata's,Jackie was classically trained but definately NOT a fighter.Bruce Lee grerw up fighting for real,with real training which he expanded on by inventing Jeet Kun Do,and absolutely relentless training.No contest. But...against a modern MMA fighter combining Gracie style,striking,grappling,judo,etc, who knows? Remember the first several UFC's? Real fights of style vs. style,how many kung fu/karate types were worth a shit? Remember what Royce Gracie did to the guy who was 7 time open class full contact karate champion of Japan? Broke his arm in about 2 minutes as I remember it.

Not to mention the numerous Kung Fu Red Sash Masters he destroyed.

If you ask me modern MMA guys make this conversation a joke.

[Hydrosludge]

If you ask me modern MMA guys make this conversation a joke.

No shit. If you are not a master of everything, you will die in MMA competition. How the hell do they train? They are fighting machines.

[ShavedLebaneseBear]

Bruce. End of story.

[BelatedAbortion]

Okay what drilldo added Chow Yun-Fat to the mix? The OP? Do you know that Chow-Yun admits in virtually every interview that he can't fight his way out of a paper bag?

[LilJimmyRbinson]

Tony Ja.

[bethm1b]

I'm proud of my fellow 'baggers for knowing this stuff.Jet Li grew up doing whatever the chinks call the kung fu version of kata's,Jackie was classically trained but definately NOT a fighter.Bruce Lee grerw up fighting for real,with real training which he expanded on by inventing Jeet Kun Do,and absolutely relentless training.No contest. But...against a modern MMA fighter combining Gracie style,striking,grappling,judo,etc, who knows? Remember the first several UFC's? Real fights of style vs. style,how many kung fu/karate types were worth a shit? Remember what Royce Gracie did to the guy who was 7 time open class full contact karate champion of Japan? Broke his arm in about 2 minutes as I remember it.

Don the dragon Wilson won 11 world titles, and in an interview I saw told how Bruce Lee had a two inch punch that sent him across a room and damn near killed him. MMA guys wouldn't last two seconds with him.

[Capt.Caveman]

Don the dragon Wilson won 11 world titles, and in an interview I saw told how Bruce Lee had a two inch punch that sent him across a room and damn near killed him. MMA guys wouldn't last two seconds with him.

wow you know absolutely nothing about martial arts or fighting. stick to hippie subjects. tank abbot used to hit people and make them go to sleep. enter gracie/shamrock/kimo/mir he gets destroyed. why THEY KNOW HOW TO FIGHT. he's not beating up a b movie actor or some bar fighter. Bruce lee is more legend than fact. he would get owned in an mma competition. he'd be ok in the minors but soon as he went against anyone with some real skills he'd get a beating. faber who's 145 would beat him in under 2 minutes

[bethm1b]

wow you know absolutely nothing about martial arts or fighting. stick to hippie subjects. tank abbot used to hit people and make them go to sleep. enter gracie/shamrock/kimo/mir he gets destroyed. why THEY KNOW HOW TO FIGHT. he's not beating up a b movie actor or some bar fighter. Bruce lee is more legend than fact. he would get owned in an mma competition. he'd be ok in the minors but soon as he went against anyone with some real skills he'd get a beating. faber who's 145 would beat him in under 2 minutes

Uh huh. Some faggot noone's ever heard of is a better fighter than the unanimously agreed upon greatest fighter of all time. Why don't you stick to the gay topics and leave intelligent people alone.

[Capt.Caveman]

Uh huh. Some faggot noone's ever heard of is a better fighter than the unanimously agreed upon greatest fighter of all time. Why don't you stick to the gay topics and leave intelligent people alone.

yes he is!! the reason no one beside mma fans have heard of him is he fights at 145. no weight classes that low in major organizations. faber is a beast. he's lost once years `ago he's run thru just about every 145 pounder in the world. bruce lee is a legend, but as a real fighter he'd get owned. picked up slammed on his back punched in the face 10 to 12 times and then choked the fuck out. plain and simple. hey hong kong phooey kicked a lot of ass too. intellegent or total fuckin faggot liberal jizzbags who think they're better than everyone else?

[B54]

Uh huh. Some faggot noone's ever heard of is a better fighter than the unanimously agreed upon greatest fighter of all time. Why don't you stick to the gay topics and leave intelligent people alone.

Why don't you stick to the fourm rules?

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Insulting someone's intelligence is not fair. I've been looking at your recent posts, maybe you should take a step off the pedestal.

[Capt.Caveman]

Why don't you stick to the fourm rules?

From the FAQ:



Insulting someone's intelligence is not fair. I've been looking at your recent posts, maybe you should take a step off the pedestal.

i'm a big boy it's ok

[gleet]

I don't enjoy Faber fights. They are over too quick.

[Capt.Caveman]

I don't enjoy Faber fights. They are over too quick.

but a chink moviestar will kick his ass

[gleet]

I'd love to hear Bruce's new sound when that little gorilla is choking the life out of him.

Aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhccccccccccccccccccz zzzzzzzzzzz

[Capt.Caveman]

I'd love to hear Bruce's new sound when that little gorilla is choking the life out of him.

Aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhccccccccccccccccccz zzzzzzzzzzz

yea but what about his 2in punch LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOOL:haha7::haha7::haha7::haha7:: haha7::haha7::haha7::haha7::haha7:

[gleet]

Good point, sir. If Uriah has him locked up, but leaves enough room for the two inch punch, both of them would fly out of the octagon. Devastating.

[Deadbent]

Someone mentioned bj penn?

Haha.

Could bj penn even spell mixed martial arts, or mma for that matter?
He certainly couldn't invent a new form of it.

Study your history, instead of watching tv.


Edit : Faber too, heh...
He wouldn't get close enough to be effective. If you think so, uhm.... study your history and stop watching tv, heh.

[Capt.Caveman]

Someone mentioned bj penn?

Haha.

Could bj penn even spell mixed martial arts, or mma for that matter?
He certainly couldn't invent a new form of it.

Study your history, instead of watching tv.


Edit : Faber too, heh...
He wouldn't get close enough to be effective. If you think so, uhm.... study your history and stop watching tv, heh.

huh? i really hope your kidding

[Deadbent]

huh? i really hope your kidding and not retarded

I guess. :icon_roll


Also, I can't really put too much intellectual credibility behind someone that doesn't capitalize their I's when speaking in the first person.

So, maybe I am retarded. Maybe you... were undereducated?

[Capt.Caveman]

I guess. :icon_roll


Also, I can't really put too much intellectual credibility behind someone that doesn't capitalize their I's when speaking in the first person.

So, maybe I am retarded. Maybe you... were undereducated?

bang bang, dIdn't know i (did it again) was beIng graded. i(whoops a daIsy) may be a bIg dummy but i (3 tImes i'm a crazy person,wait thats 4 lollol) do know about fIghting. lee goes down 1st round

[gleet]

I guess. :icon_roll


Also, I can't really put too much intellectual credibility behind someone that doesn't capitalize their I's when speaking in the first person.

So, maybe I am retarded. Maybe you... were undereducated?

Who would you want on your side in a fight, A Yale English professor or a hump with a sideways nose and a cauliflower ear?

[Capt.Caveman]

Who would you want on your side in a fight, A Yale English professor or a hump with a sideways nose and a cauliflower ear?

actually i don't have cauliflower ear. i do have a cro-magnum forehead though. my nose is pretty fucked up

[bill333]

Sgt Caveman, sorry but your argument sounds like every 8 year old who posts on sports forums,lol.

"bruce lee is a legend, but as a real fighter he'd get owned. picked up slammed on his back punched in the face 10 to 12 times and then choked the fuck out. plain and simple."

Really? I'd like to know how that would happen considering Bruce knew grappling as well. He used every form of martial arts/western boxing and threw out the usless parts. Growing up with street gangs, he had to use his skills for real, not in some tournament. All the fighters back in the day said that Bruce was pound for pound the best fighter in the world.

*Just a note* You can see Jackie Chan in "Enter the Dragon" as one of the fighters Bruce takes on in the cavern fight. Jackie grabs Bruce from behind and Bruce breaks his neck just before the famous nunchaku scene.


People can argue until the end of time about who is best but considering he's dead and none of the others will fight either, it's a moot point.

[Knite]

Okay what drilldo added Chow Yun-Fat to the mix? The OP? Do you know that Chow-Yun admits in virtually every interview that he can't fight his way out of a paper bag?

Yeah, but he uses guns
guns > karate every time =P

Take weapons away, my money's on Bruce.

[Capt.Caveman]

Sgt Caveman, sorry but your argument sounds like every 8 year old who posts on sports forums,lol.

"bruce lee is a legend, but as a real fighter he'd get owned. picked up slammed on his back punched in the face 10 to 12 times and then choked the fuck out. plain and simple."

Really? I'd like to know how that would happen considering Bruce knew grappling as well. He used every form of martial arts/western boxing and threw out the usless parts. Growing up with street gangs, he had to use his skills for real, not in some tournament. All the fighters back in the day said that Bruce was pound for pound the best fighter in the world.

*Just a note* You can see Jackie Chan in "Enter the Dragon" as one of the fighters Bruce takes on in the cavern fight. Jackie grabs Bruce from behind and Bruce breaks his neck just before the famous nunchaku scene.


People can argue until the end of time about who is best but considering he's dead and none of the others will fight either, it's a moot point.

YOUR QUOTING A MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!! Not a real fight. I sound like an 8 year old?!?!? bruce lee can kick gods ass, he once killed someone with his eyelid.William Wallace was 8 feet tall..yuck. he was a great martial artist but the game has just evolved so much. HE WOULD GET OWNED. So take down your Bruce Lee poster and feel,feel,feel, feel my heeeaaat, dirk

[blee]

Bruce Lee
But since he is dead I would go with Tony Ja to kick anyones ass.

[bill333]

YOUR QUOTING A MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!! Not a real fight. I sound like an 8 year old?!?!? bruce lee can kick gods ass, he once killed someone with his eyelid.William Wallace was 8 feet tall..yuck. he was a great martial artist but the game has just evolved so much. HE WOULD GET OWNED. So take down your Bruce Lee poster and feel,feel,feel, feel my heeeaaat, dirk


What the hell are you talking about? Who quoted a movie? I know I put up your quote, not sure if that's what you're refering to? I have no idea what you mean by Bruce kicking his ass with his eyelid or where that even came from. Are you on drugs?

I'm not talking about being a fan, I'm talking about facts.
Why would it matter how much the game/fight evolved? He was knowledged in virtually every martial art, what else came out since his death that would be so different or that he wouldn't have learned? When he met Chuck Norris, he wasn't so high on high leg kicks feeling they could be defended easily so he felt they weren't really needed but Norris convinced him that it could be useful.(Chuck had a serious roundhouse) I doubt he would take on anyone in a ring because it wouldn't have been any use to him because he believed in no rules. There are no rules in a real fight. The reason he was even doing a show in Cal. back then was to show those who doubted him, what he had.

If your getting so excited over a discussion over a dead person and a fight that will never hapen, I suggest turning off the computer for a while. Just back away. :action-sm

[ShavedLebaneseBear]

Bruce lee is more legend than fact. he would get owned in an mma competition. he'd be ok in the minors but soon as he went against anyone with some real skills he'd get a beating. faber who's 145 would beat him in under 2 minutes

Um...no.
Bruce Lee pretty much "invented" MMA. Not the modern UFC version we see today, but the combining of different styles (26, I think) into his own. While some of the "legend" of Bruce Lee may be complete bullshit, in his prime, Lee would hold his own without a problem. He had no special inherent talents, he just trained harder than anybody else. He pushed himself to the limit, and never stopped. He was pretty much obsessed with learning as much as possible, and was always trying to improve himself. He was also somewhat of a bully and was known to "teach lessons" to those who challenged him.
As some here have said before, he grew up fighting in the streets, and was not just some actor. I do not think he was invincible (who is?), but in his prime, I believe he would be able to match up with any fighter, regardless of weight class...this is assuming it was a street fight. Many of his techniques were very simple, and involved eye gouging, knee kicks, and throat strikes. They were not meant for the ring, although I think he could have probably modified his style for the ring if needed. That fancy stuff in his movies was just for show. You will not see any of that in his books, etc. It's actually kind of boring compared to the movies he was in, but very effective. Bruce would be able to dominate, but he would eventually get beat by someone...it's just inevitable. Look what happened to Royce Gracie. :icon_mrgr

[madbam]

bruce

[notmikeh]

who put chow yun fat on the list? should have put master po

[Cromwell]

Um...no.
Bruce Lee pretty much "invented" MMA. Not the modern UFC version we see today, but the combining of different styles (26, I think) into his own. While some of the "legend" of Bruce Lee may be complete bullshit, in his prime, Lee would hold his own without a problem. He had no special inherent talents


I agree with everything you say here, SLB - except this.

Lee *was* "talented" - in the sense that he was truly ambidextrous. He did everything well equally from either side.




,he just trained harder than anybody else. He pushed himself to the limit, and never stopped.


That is also true. And I believe everything in that Wiki profile. What in there is so hard to believe? What? The he could puncture coke cans with his fingers? Have you see what karate guys can do? Its all in the efficiency of the force.


He was pretty much obsessed with learning as much as possible, and was always trying to improve himself. He was also somewhat of a bully and was known to "teach lessons" to those who challenged him.
As some here have said before, he grew up fighting in the streets, and was not just some actor. I do not think he was invincible (who is?), but in his prime, I believe he would be able to match up with any fighter, regardless of weight class...this is assuming it was a street fight. Many of his techniques were very simple, and involved eye gouging, knee kicks, and throat strikes. They were not meant for the ring, although I think he could have probably modified his style for the ring if needed. That fancy stuff in his movies was just for show. You will not see any of that in his books, etc. It's actually kind of boring compared to the movies he was in, but very effective. Bruce would be able to dominate, but he would eventually get beat by someone...it's just inevitable. Look what happened to Royce Gracie. :icon_mrgr

Best post here so far.

St. Caveman - I'm kinda surprised at you. We've had very good discussion in the MMA topics - but how can you truly call yourself a student of the art - and have that kind of attitude towards its greatest practioner?

You need to tone your ego down (probably the square one of martial arts) and study what the man has accomplished. How can you not love him? Everything I have learned about him has just blown me away. He was a genius. Beyond the Gretzky of martial arts.

And true - a real fighter - which is a killer. Whomever he fought he would end them early and fatally.

I don't doubt he could have adapted his techniques to MMA competition if he had to.

Lets try to show just a little common sense here.

But SLB is right here - at some point *everybody* loses. Age would have caught up with him.

Hey - as long as were throwing in names here of great ma fighters - (and it reminded me when I mentioned the "age" thing) - a fantastic fighter from the olden days (who's still alive) is Benny "The Jet" Urquidez

Check out this fight video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSsV3bOMWg0

[ShavedLebaneseBear]

Benny was the shit! Funny to see him get stabbed in the neck by John Cusack in Grosse Point Blank though, lol!
"Thanks for the pen..."

BTW - Man, OKAU was taking some nasty shots at the end of that clip. WTF was keeping him up??

[flyerfan116]

I'm going with Daniel LaRussa total badass :action-sm

people getting so worked up over a guy who's been dead 20 years...who got his ass kicked by brain swelling supposedly due to a muscle relaxant found in an asprin but i always wondered if years of fighting could have possibly had anything to do with it...

either way these living vs a dead guy in their prime always remind me of Joe Frazier who once said..."yeah Muhammad Ali was a great fighter but i can still sign my own name" Norris may not have had the skill, but he's still breathing so...winner

[ShavedLebaneseBear]

I'm going with Daniel LaRussa total badass :action-sm

Get him a body bag!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

who got his ass kicked by brain swelling supposedly due to a muscle relaxant found in an asprin

Lots of stories of how he died. I even heard one about how his tea was poisoned by his "masters", who disagreed with his teaching the white man. Whatever.

The most logical explaination, IMO is an overdose, but not from the "analgesic" he took on the night he died. Bruce Lee got into hash pretty heavy in the years before he died, and it most likely killed him. He would ingest it, usually through brownies, etc. He had an allergic reaction to the hash, which caused his brain to swell and he croaked. He actually passed out in a restaurant bathroom once before from ingesting hash, but apparently he did not take it as a warning. Dummy.

[Cunt Smasher]

Um...no.
... but he would eventually get beat by someone...it's just inevitable. Look what happened to Royce Gracie. :icon_mrgr

Gracie just got old and tired,not beat,IMHO.:action-sm

[Capt.Caveman]

I agree with everything you say here, SLB - except this.


St. Caveman - I'm kinda surprised at you. We've had very good discussion in the MMA topics - but how can you truly call yourself a student of the art - and have that kind of attitude towards its greatest practioner?



Crom I simply stated that he would get a beating in todays game. A spinning back kick works what 1 in 100 times. Bruce Lee was great for his day but todays game has evolved so much that with his skills AS IS wouldn't work in the octagon. He's get picked up slammed and ground and pounded and either choked out or submitted. Rickson Gracie beat a jeet kun do(or however you spell it) master in about 1 minute. Every one has this idea in their head that Lee was unbeatable. I took jeet kun do for a lil while. It's ineffective. as a starter art yea it can help you. snap kicks and roundhouses are gonna get you put in a coma. so his LEGEND has him over rated. He is the best at what he does, but MMA is MIXED martial arts. You have to have everything. I know I know "he took stuff from every style". But answer me this if his art is so great why is there no JKD guys in mma? Same goes for Norris, The jet, seagal, van damme and anyone else you can think of.

[Deadbent]

But answer me this if his art is so great why is there no JKD guys in mma?


By that logic, why is everyone not a master in jiu-jitsu as an mma fighter, if it is clearly the most effective and proven winning form?

[Capt.Caveman]

By that logic, why is everyone not a master in jiu-jitsu as an mma fighter, if it is clearly the most effective and proven winning form?

Basically every fighter trains bjj. If you don't have ground skills you will lose. A bjj guy doesn't always win with out having some form of striking. that's why they call it MIXED martail arts. BJJ ,wrestling, boxing, mauy thai. Is the basic formula. throw in some dirty boxing, judo or sambo and you may have yourself a champion. You don't have to be a "master" at one style. the trick is to be good at all styles.

[Deadbent]

Thanks caveman, that's pretty much the answer I was looking for.
By your logic and recipe for success, Bruce would've done just fine, and dare I say, become a champion too, no?

[Capt.Caveman]

Thanks caveman, that's pretty much the answer I was looking for.
By your logic and recipe for success, Bruce would've done just fine, and dare I say, become a champion too, no?

ground game sir. look at the 1st couple ufc or any of the old gracie movies. they took on EVERY style and never lost. Everyone Had to get a ground game so now the world has caught up to them. The Gracies beat any and all comers, including JKD. Rickson under a min from my last post but you chose to skim over that part. JKD was lees style. he invented it. hoo hoo.

[bethm1b]

. You don't have to be a "master" at one style. the trick is to be good at all styles.

Which is exactly what Bruce Lee was.......

[Capt.Caveman]

Which is exactly what Bruce Lee was.......

GROUND GAME!!!!! AS IS Lee would get owned. If he learned a ground game maybe not.

[BrianFromIowa]

Ok so Bruce Lee was a bad ass and shit....but I am goning to give it to Chow Yun Fat. He may not be the best chop and kick guy......but he can handle guns. Can Bruce Lee or the others dodge a well placed bullet?

[ron2000]

Bruce Lee

[DeltaPin]

Bruce Lee

[Voss's Tumor]

Chung Lee