Fez's right to privacy

[RMPGP]

I thought today's show perfectly illustrated a problem we are seeing in society these days.

Fez goes to a party voluntarily, because he wants to hang with fans from the show, some asshole decides it'd be funny to video tape him, doesn't alert him to the fact he's being taped, then goes behind his back and posts it on youtube without saying a word to him.

He obviously had this in mind, that he was going to capture a "youtube" moment. Since, you know, hanging out with the show isn't really cool enough already :rolleyes: .

Can we not just go to places and hang out, without having to fucking record every single thing? Now we do this to famous radio guys who are hanging with us? RNF don't have to do those gigs. They put themselves in an intimate situation with the fans and end up getting shit on.

Then, salt on the wounds, the asshole calls up today and sounds pretty fucking apathetic. And callers (his friends?) were joining in on it. You know, the buddays are pretty fucking accessible (or were) and people act like we should stick them in a zoo and we can just gawk at them all day. People fucking suck.

[RMPGP]

btw he still has his other vids up :rolleyes: including the saget one which i'm sure violated the conditions for attending. :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/user/bama2020

[Budyzir]

I'm in total agreement with Fez. I could almost understand it if he just kept the video private for his own enjoyment (what ever that miight be) but, posting it on Youtube is a cry for attention. Yes, Fez is a public figure but, if he cant have a semblance of privacy I completely understand his reluctance to attend any future bar nights, a total loss for the fans.

[Polack]

Even though I do agree that as a society we are fucked up, but Fez loves chatting about what Paris Hilton and Linsay are doing and that is the same shit. I can't stand it that the majority of this country including Fez love to hear about celebrities. Fez is an entertainer and with that comes the fucking guys with cameras. Everyday you see a celebrity getting angry at a camera man and the fuckers still show up whenever a celebrity is in town. I for one love the Ron and Fez show and when I started listening I had to find out everything I could on these two guys. They are brilliant entertainers and that has people like me in the middle of Wisconsin who can't go to a bar night, looking on the internet for videos and pictures of you lucky bastards going out with my favorite celebrities. I think Fez took it too far and I also think Bama should have told Fez he was taping. I think it helps out with your career if you are a show that is known to do alot with your fanbase. O&A and Ron and Fez have always include the fans into alot of their show and with alot of the good might come a few bad things. Just move on and have a good time at the next event.

[Awful Me]

For someone who gossips as much as Fez and wants to know what celebrities are up too, he needs to realize some people consider him a celebrity.

In my non professional but I also battle some crippling OCD's opinion:

Fez is just looking for reasons to withdraw himself more from society. He talks about his therapy, but he almost always talks negatively about it. It is much easier to withdraw than to honestly deal with the issues.

I realize that he is on the radio, but that is just a little room he sits and talks in. I hate being around people, yet I do standup comedy. It isn't a contradiction, when I am on stage I am talking at people not interacting on a human level.

[bluemoon]

well we all asked for it. FUNNY VID SITES+THOUGHTS OF 15MIN OF FAME= EVERY ASSHAT WITH A CAMERA FILMING NONSTOP.
dont get me wrong, i love all the vid sites but its getting kinda dumb where every 15 yearold with a camera is trying to get on youtube or break.

[Mindslayer]

I feel for Fez, but to an extent, if only because in an abstract way him and Ron are responsible for this environment where theyve become super friendly with many of the fans, many of whom think that they are now part of the show and, by default, R&F's lives. Its a shame, too, because now its to the point where they are being taken advantage of in a number of different ways, but could any other outcome really have been expected when dealing with borderline obsessive fans like those who are mentioned on the show every day ad nauseum ?

[Budyzir]

Even though I do agree that as a society we are fucked up, but Fez loves chatting about what Paris Hilton and Linsay are doing and that is the same shit. I can't stand it that the majority of this country including Fez love to hear about celebrities. Fez is an entertainer and with that comes the fucking guys with cameras. Everyday you see a celebrity getting angry at a camera man and the fuckers still show up whenever a celebrity is in town. I for one love the Ron and Fez show and when I started listening I had to find out everything I could on these two guys. They are brilliant entertainers and that has people like me in the middle of Wisconsin who can't go to a bar night, looking on the internet for videos and pictures of you lucky bastards going out with my favorite celebrities. I think Fez took it too far and I also think Bama should have told Fez he was taping. I think it helps out with your career if you are a show that is known to do alot with your fanbase. O&A and Ron and Fez have always include the fans into alot of their show and with alot of the good might come a few bad things. Just move on and have a good time at the next event.

The way I'm seeing this is that "celebrities" like Paris are being hound by Paparazzi, paid to do what ever it takes to get an embarrassing shot, not fans or members of extended circle of friends.

In my most humble opinion, if your a fan who is know to some degree by the hosts, you have a responsibility to have some respect for their privacy. Its one thing for an outsider to try this kind of thing, its another for a fan to do it.

[pmoney316]

Fez has a point, but the whole 'I will just stop going out' is a step back from his therapy/life coaching. Hopefully it was just Cranky Monday Fez, and Happy Go Lucky Fez McCool will re-emerge.

[watsonnostaw]

todd is indeed entitled to his priv

that being said, Fez isnt happy unless hes bitchin or scared of something or gotten away with a cash scam

listen to the glee in his voice when the ****** of Rons wallet for the dinner was discussed

[Absolutely]

Could any other outcome really have been expected when dealing with borderline obsessive fans like those who are mentioned on the show every day ad nauseum ?

You mean you don't want to hear how many bowls of cereal someone has had or don't care about what position another listener of the show is laying in, or what color blouse a girl has on?

I haven't listened to todays show, and might not find time.
Was this video embarassing or just caught Fez in a moment he didn't know what being captured and wasn't embarassing and it's just the point about privacy?

[Mindslayer]

I didnt hear the whole thing but it seemed to me to be a little bit of both.

Oh, and hearing about people on Pal Talk folding their laundry is absolutely scintillating.

[Polack]

The way I'm seeing this is that "celebrities" like Paris are being hound by Paparazzi, paid to do what ever it takes to get an embarrassing shot, not fans or members of extended circle of friends.

In my most humble opinion, if your a fan who is know to some degree by the hosts, you have a responsibility to have some respect for their privacy. Its one thing for an outsider to try this kind of thing, its another for a fan to do it.

There is no difference. The paparazzi follow Paris cause the american public wants to see her. If society disliked them then there would be no need for the photos and videos of them. This is the same for Ron and Fez. The fans or public, being me and alot of others around here want to see Ron and Fez. How many people on this board DVRed the stupid food network to see Ron and Fez on there? I sure did. And even though people say Bama is a bad guy for taping Fez how many of us went to find the video as soon as we heard there was one. Just like with the homeless shopping show. I do agree if he wants to be private he has a right to it. But he is an entertainer and with that comes downsides, like the privacy. If he wants to never go to a gig again I say go for it, but one of the main reasons I stopped listening to Bob and Tom and bought XM is because Bob and Tom just broadcast and don't interact with their fanbase. I like it that if I want to voice my opinion on something they are talking about I can just dial a number and be on in minutes.

[Mindslayer]

I think its awesome that R&F 'keep it real' and interact with their fans fairly regularly, but at the same time they probably shouldnt be surprised when shit like this happens. Unfortunately this and the thing with Crazy Jen/Bobo is a perfect example of simply letting certain listeners get too close.

[pmoney316]

You mean you don't want to hear how many bowls of cereal someone has had or don't care about what position another listener of the show is laying in, or what color blouse a girl has on?

Don't forget the pearl necklaces!


Was this video embarassing or just caught Fez in a moment he didn't know what being captured and wasn't embarassing and it's just the point about privacy?

That's a very good point. I believe Fez said he was 'posing' as if Bama was taking a picture, but then realized he was being taped, and felt embarrassed, which we know he hates.

[RMPGP]

Even though I do agree that as a society we are fucked up, but Fez loves chatting about what Paris Hilton and Linsay are doing and that is the same shit. I can't stand it that the majority of this country including Fez love to hear about celebrities. Fez is an entertainer and with that comes the fucking guys with cameras. Everyday you see a celebrity getting angry at a camera man and the fuckers still show up whenever a celebrity is in town. I for one love the Ron and Fez show and when I started listening I had to find out everything I could on these two guys. They are brilliant entertainers and that has people like me in the middle of Wisconsin who can't go to a bar night, looking on the internet for videos and pictures of you lucky bastards going out with my favorite celebrities. I think Fez took it too far and I also think Bama should have told Fez he was taping. I think it helps out with your career if you are a show that is known to do alot with your fanbase. O&A and Ron and Fez have always include the fans into alot of their show and with alot of the good might come a few bad things. Just move on and have a good time at the next event.


Paris and Lohan have sought out that life, in fact, without that publicity they wouldn't be famous because neither has much talent (Lohan to some extent but not recently).

Others are preyed upon, let's say... Brad and Angelina, because they are successful. They also are equipped to deal with it.

Let's face it though, this wasn't the paparazzi, the paparazzi doens't give a fuck about Fez. This was some socially defunct hayseed with a digital camera trying to capture some great "youtube" clips. If he hadn't put it on youtube, if he had put it on, fuck even photobucket which is more personal, I might have some sympathy for the inbreed, but youtube is all about attention. I hope XM sends him a C&D for the Saget thing too.

[RMPGP]

Fez has a point, but the whole 'I will just stop going out' is a step back from his therapy/life coaching. Hopefully it was just Cranky Monday Fez, and Happy Go Lucky Fez McCool will re-emerge.

I agree, he kinda enraged/talked himself into that, after saying he wanted to perform in front of a studio audience. Only after the show took a strong negative turn, did this grumpy fella come out to play.

The guy who said the OCD thing makes sense, although here I'd say it's not OCD as much as it's social anxiety.

He also doesn't have 100% say over if fans come into the studio, it's not the "Fez Show", although I guess Ron could respect his feelings and go with it.

I'm not sure what hayseed bama bob can do, but he better fucking do something to make it right and not continue to hangup like a chicken shit.

[kevtv]

In my eyes, Fez was 100% on point today. Nobody should be videotaped and put on a website without their permission, and I go as far to say celebs too. Paparazzi does it all the time, doesn't make it right. If someone wants to make something public, so be it, but let it be their choice, but that's a much bigger issue.

As for Fez, if you're a fan and you're getting to hang with the buddays, is that not cool enough?

Also, this wasn't a signing or an appearance. If this was in the studio or something like that, I can kinda understand but still think it's out of line. If they are personable enough to hang out with fans (and they are more than gracious and patient), don't overstep the line and film a guy having a night out. Have as much respect for Fez the person as you claim to do for Fez the radio guy.

Let Fez, Ron, Earl (wait, I re-read this...Earl?!?!? Who likes Earl?), and anyone else you like have some chill time. If they are cool enough to hang and not be VIP dicks, the trade off is to not treat it like an autograph signing and use the time to increase the size of your collection of footage and pictures.

kev

[atxklown]

So watching a Drunk Fez isn't worse than a Sober Fez dancing on a pole?

And Fez, a radio celebrity, who talks about celebrities and even posts celebs he sees on Gawker Stalker, doesn't like being filmed and put on youtube?

It probably isn't the fact that he was filmed, but he wasn't in control of when he was filmed. Add the notion of wanting to be alone, and this is just a chance to have that worked out.

[Arc Lite]

So watching a Drunk Fez isn't worse than a Sober Fez dancing on a pole?

And Fez, a radio celebrity, who talks about celebrities and even posts celebs he sees on Gawker Stalker, doesn't like being filmed and put on youtube?

It probably isn't the fact that he was filmed, but he wasn't in control of when he was filmed. Add the notion of wanting to be alone, and this is just a chance to have that worked out.

As he mentioned on the show today, Fezzie dancing on a pole was an appearance and totally justified being filmed. (And in character). Out at an the bar just hanging out not really cool. I'm with Fez on this one. Except I think he's getting a little carried away not wanting to hang anymore with the NY crowd.

[maz]

did FEZ get a little nuts about being taped?
yeah probably
but with it being posted on you tube? no
he probably should 've been consulted
if it was just going to the fan sites , meh
but i'm taking his side on this one
btw i haven't seen said video

[Der Floogle]

I would have thought that Fez would consider how this would leave Ron standing alone at Bar Nights. After all Ron does for Fezzy, you would think he could tough it out especially after making it known how he feels about being taped. I tend to believe that the taping will not continue since Fez spoke up about it.
I thought the therapy was supposed to help him deal with all his problems and not have him running back into his home where he can lock himself away all alone.

[maz]

i kinda like getting back to my house too
i'm in control
and any uninvited "guests" may be shot
even my relatives know
your welcome to come over
you know where the keys are
help yourselves to whatever
just don't wake me up
i'll see you when i get up

[BIV]

I just think Fez is the victim of the generation gap. When was the last time you went to a social event and someone wasn't filming? It could be a party, a bar crawl, or just walking down the streets, guaranteed one of your friends is filming at least part of the time.

Fez just needs to realize that privacy for the average person is dead, let alone for a celebrity. I also have this issue with O&A, but these guys need to realize you give up all rights to privacy when you make you living in the public eye...and you get compensated for it in the wallet. If you want to be in radio and not in the public eye, then cut liners or commercials or do voice overs for a living. Otherwise, quit your bitching. As someone struggling in the same industry, I can only wish I had that kind of loss of privacy.

[maz]

tired and out for the night
later baggers

[iridium130]

Not that I don't think he's entitled to any privacy, but he also has to keep in mind that he is a celebrity. His line of work involves interacting with listeners and "reaching out" to them (via radio).

[YourAmishDaddy]

Not that I don't think he's entitled to any privacy, but he also has to keep in mind that he is a celebrity. His line of work involves interacting with listeners and "reaching out" to them (via radio).

If it's a radio event (like the wedding, or Big Ass Bash etc) fine. But this was just hanging out at a bar with some fans having a little get together. That's kinda different. Yes these people are public figures but what percentage of them and their lives is acceptable to be given away to fans? 100%? That's just way too much.

There has to be some downtime where people, yes these celebrities, personalities et al are still people, can just be free of the "show" aspect and be themselves. And seriously I can understand to a degree how Fez feels. being themselves may include getting shitfaced and acting like a fool. Which would make no difference at all under normal circumstances. But what if it causes a problem at work, or some other aspect?

[moegolden]

wrongthread...

[7cent]

where's the video? was he out of character and that's why it's a big deal?

[krispykreme]

The fact that it meant something to him, and he said something about it means it should stop. If this were a normal fan/famous person relationship, it would be fine, but given the special nature of R&F and their fans, you just don't tape them like this.

[HummerTuesdays]

There are just too many long posts, so maybe someone pointed this out...Hey, did you ever notice that Ron & Fez NEVER cam up on PT? Gee, wonder why that is?

That guy that posted the video on YouTube is a dumbass.

[Polack]

Paris and Lohan have sought out that life, in fact, without that publicity they wouldn't be famous because neither has much talent (Lohan to some extent but not recently).

Others are preyed upon, let's say... Brad and Angelina, because they are successful. They also are equipped to deal with it.

Let's face it though, this wasn't the paparazzi, the paparazzi doens't give a fuck about Fez. This was some socially defunct hayseed with a digital camera trying to capture some great "youtube" clips. If he hadn't put it on youtube, if he had put it on, fuck even photobucket which is more personal, I might have some sympathy for the inbreed, but youtube is all about attention. I hope XM sends him a C&D for the Saget thing too.

You are way off. Fez has sought out this life. Everytime he signed a new contract he wanted to be a popular radio show. just search wackbag for the threads that contain Fez dancing on a pole or Fez at the homeless shopping spree. Those videos have thousands of hits because people like me and you want to view them. And as long as we want to see them there will be people like Bama who will take video. You are trying like hell to be this holier than though super fan by sticking up for a host when you know for a fact that you watched these videos. I don't get to go to bar night and in place of seeing my favorite radio personalities in real life I am forced to watch videos of them. Fez is a celebrity to me and I wish I could have seen the video before it was taken off. So as long as Ron and Fez continue to do a great radio show I will try like hell to watch and listen to everything they do. Fez has to accept that he is famous and sometimes he won't like what people do or say but to just brush it off. Don't sweat the small stuff.

[YourAmishDaddy]

We all know Fez has problems with life in general. On that alone I'm fine with cutting the guy a little slack.

[BigRavenPAUL]

I agree that Fez has every right to privacy at a bar night. But he definatley over-reacted to Bama. I didn't hear all of the discussion, but when did fez realize he was being taped? It seems to me he could of said, "please stop" and as long as Bama complied, no problem. Even if Fez didn't know untill the video was posted, if he voiced a problem, then the video was taken down, whats the need for continued drama? Seriously, its not like anyone was malicously taping Fez. Once people found out Fez was insulted or ashamed, the video was taken down. What else could people do?
-Paul

[RibsinBacon]

I think the guy should have asked before he shot the video, I know it's legal for him to do it in a public setting. It's just not proper etiquette. There needs to be some sort of balance in keeping with the wishes of the stars of the show. They do a lot of the fans favors by even showing up at fan get togethers. Perhaps if some of the "Ubers" can keep their eyes open in future "non working" events for Fez.

[RMPGP]

I agree that Fez has every right to privacy at a bar night. But he definatley over-reacted to Bama. I didn't hear all of the discussion, but when did fez realize he was being taped? It seems to me he could of said, "please stop" and as long as Bama complied, no problem. Even if Fez didn't know untill the video was posted, if he voiced a problem, then the video was taken down, whats the need for continued drama? Seriously, its not like anyone was malicously taping Fez. Once people found out Fez was insulted or ashamed, the video was taken down. What else could people do?
-Paul

well that is the problem. and i saw this coming to a head. it's the ron AND fez show, if fez starts skipping bar nights, he's basically saying he's not a part of the show. it's not really his decision to skip the bar nights and still do the show.

ron will drag him to the bar 9 in a coffin if he must, that i am sure.

[Arch Stanton]

well that is the problem. and i saw this coming to a head. it's the ron AND fez show, if fez starts skipping bar nights, he's basically saying he's not a part of the show. it's not really his decision to skip the bar nights and still do the show.

ron will drag him to the bar 9 in a coffin if he must, that i am sure.

Fez is dying now?

[Your_Moms_Box]

I think there are two seperate issues here:

1 - Right to privacy? He was in a public place, so no. There is no reason that he should have a right not to be filmed in a public setting. We are all on camera ALL THE TIME. PERIOD.

Every time he goes anywhere, he should know that there is a chance he will be on video and it will make it's way to places like youtube, break, etc. etc. He IS a celebrity, and he takes great joy in gossiping about other celebrities, so it's about time it happened to him too.


2 - The real issue here, is that when someone who is supposed to be a friend does this to you, you have every right to be pissed at that person.

Bama (whose nickname is obviously a take on big ass member, and not on alabama) was wrong for doing it simply because he is supposed to be a "friend"

However, I think he absolutly did the right thing by taking the videos down when asked to (he didn't HAVE to)

He made a bad decision, and when confronted, he handled it correctly, I don't think any grudge should be held against him.


Fez needs to lighten up..

Today was the first day that I had to turn off the show ecause it was not fun, funny, or entertaining in any way.

One day was more than enough coverage of this event, besides, i'm pretty sure it's 100% bit on Fez's part.

[Vyce]

Listening to the replay? Fez really comes off poorly here.

Even if you believe Bama made a mistake, he did everything he could to rectify the situation, and apologized several times. And yet Fez is still acting like a victim, and in general blaming it all on him, rather than accepting his own responsibility in all of this.

[cal5000]

I pray all that money fez makes will be enough to get him past this tragic event.

[RMPGP]

Listening to the replay? Fez really comes off poorly here.

Even if you believe Bama made a mistake, he did everything he could to rectify the situation, and apologized several times. And yet Fez is still acting like a victim, and in general blaming it all on him, rather than accepting his own responsibility in all of this.

Yeah Fez is really stretching this out.

If he decides to turn on Ron, the show, and the fans by not going to this party, it could get really ugly.

The fans have always been very good to Fez, we've supported him when he's down, we've picked him up, we see past his flaws and we love him. Taking a shit in our mouths isn't going to help things.

Ron has been carrying Fez since DC. He owes it to Ron to be a part of these parties. Leaving Ron hanging in the wind, at this party all by himself staring at whiskey bottles, isn't the right thing to do after everything he has done for Fez.

Lastly, Fez was upset last time about always taking and never giving. He gives by going to these appearances. If he takes that away, then he really becomes someone who is always taking and never giving...

[cal5000]

Fez wanted an excuse to bail--but I blame the fans for being so needy in the first place. I tend to blame the victim alot.