UFC 75 : Champion vs. Champion

[burky79]

here we go for the US airing

(for those who haven't spoiled!)

;)

[burky79]

Light heavyweight bout

Houston Alexander (U.S.A.) vs. Alessio Sakara (Italy)



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[burky79]

DAMN!!!

K tf O!

wow, Houston was throwin some great knees in the clinch, then a well placed shot on the jaw and GnP, till it was stoped about 1 minute in

[LAX]

Yeah I looked down to find my cigarettes and the fight was ova!

[burky79]

Welterweight bout

Marcus Davis (U.S.A.) vs. Paul Taylor (U.K.)



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[burky79]

Good lord, they had some beat downs so far...

(but then again the tape delay, they will have the best ones plotted out, but still)

Davis put on a clinic of GnP, then sub.

[burky79]

Heavyweight bout

Cheick Kongo (France) vs. Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipović (Croatia)



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[burky79]

first fight televised that went past the first round!

mirko had a great mount at the end there... he was probably a minut away from winning that.

damn round times!

[burky79]

damn, ....

now that round was all kongo, from the clinch to the side control for a bit in the begining of the round.

[burky79]

that knee is BS by kongo....

he hit him HARD that second time.

[BaLZaC~308]

crocop looks like shit right now

[burky79]

Cheick ruled that last round...

Im sure its gonna be a unanimous for Kongo

[BaLZaC~308]

if its a draw its because of the nut shots but yea kongo had the last 2 rounds.


fucking flash in the pan Crocop, fuckign all this shit how he's the best ever, he got unlucky last time but this time he looked like garbage. He looked good in the first round but cmon throw some of those Crocop kicks you fucking piece of euro trash

[mendozathejew]

cro cop left japan, and went off the juice. thats the way Ive seen it since his win against sanchez. its not physically the same guy that won the GP.

if you watch him now, watch him against silva in the GP, its clear that hes lost all of his explosiveness. and he's visibly smaller, especially tonight.

[BaLZaC~308]

fucking flash in the pan Crocop, fuckign all this shit how he's the best ever, he got unlucky last time but this time he looked like garbage. He looked good in the first round but cmon throw some of those Crocop kicks you fucking piece of euro trash

[BaLZaC~308]

crocop was pride or K1? I thought he was x pride

[mendozathejew]

if its a draw its because of the nut shots but yea kongo had the last 2 rounds.


fucking flash in the pan Crocop, fuckign all this shit how he's the best ever, he got unlucky last time but this time he looked like garbage. He looked good in the first round but cmon throw some of those Crocop kicks you fucking piece of euro trash

Kongo should have had a point taken, cause he wasnt given warnings when he landed two straight nut shots in round 2. another 2 in round 3, thats 4 total. thats a fucking lot of testical shots

so it would have been a draw like ortiz evens. but Cro Cop doesnt really deserve it, when Evans imo did. CC doesnt have it anymore.

whether he couldnt adapt to a new org/rules, or hes off the juice. cause anyone whos watched him from a couple years ago cant argue with a straight face its the same cro cop now

[mendozathejew]

crocop was pride or K1? I thought he was x pride

he was a k1 kickboxer, then he entered mma in Pride.

k1's main operation is kickboxing. they also have k1 heroes which is mma, like pride. but its mostly smaller guys. like Kid Yamamoto, whos one of the best fighters in the world. but he only weighs around 140

check out some of his fights on youtube, hes a savage. and he frequently knocks people out, and continues to hit them, and the ref tries pulling him off, and he continues to hit them. savage

[burky79]

Light heavyweight bout

Michael Bisping (U.K.) vs. Matt Hamill (U.S.A.)

[mendozathejew]

supposedly Hamill was kicked out of team punishment camp because he refuses to listen, and genuinely tries to hurt his training partners.

anyone know more details about it cause thats all Ive heard

it will be interesting to see Hamill having learned how to box. he doesnt fight "put up your dukes" style circa 1880 anymore

[burky79]

hahhaaha....

Hamill comes out to "Born in the USA"...

crowd starts booing him...

Goldberg says thats not gonna make him any more popular here...

Rogan, with the line of the night.... "Thats okay, hes not gonna hear them!"

hahahha
Rogan rules!

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supposedly Hamill was kicked out of team punishment camp because he refuses to listen, and genuinely tries to hurt his training partners.

anyone know more details about it cause thats all Ive heard

didn't hear that, ... interesting choice of words... doesnt listen.

but trying to hurt during sparring or 3/4 aint kool, for anyone.

cant wait to hear more bout that.

[BaLZaC~308]

I love K1, nothing beats the grand prix... if you can fight 3 times in one night you deserve it.

there is a young black dude who used to be fuckign amazing, he pwned everyone then one day it was liek "what the fuck happened" I cant remember his name at the moment but I loved watching him fight, what a fucking animal

[FullBallz]

supposedly Hamill was kicked out of team punishment camp because he refuses to listen


Well it IS kinda hard for him to listen. Wakka wakka.

[mills]

Dumb question. Why'd they boo? Why'd Rogan an them understand it right away?


Is this another miss america slip? It is isn't it. FUCK rogan! Fuckin traitor shouldn't have made excuses so fast.

[burky79]

Dumb question. Why'd they boo? Why'd Rogan an them understand it right away?


Is this another miss america slip? It is isn't it. FUCK rogan! Fuckin traitor shouldn't have made excuses so fast.

they booed because they are in england and hamill came out to Born in the USA.

rogan and "them" understood right away becuase it was well,.... understood, guess you had to be there, sorry.

wtf, miss america slip has nothin to do with it... i give up.

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hamills stand up is lookin 10x beter 2nite

[GDRC]

They didn't boo Hamil because he was from America, they booed him because he is fighting a guy from England. They would have booed a guy from Brazil, Canada, etc.

[mendozathejew]

wow hamill is giving it too him

but I will not be surprised if Bisping gets a screw job decision

[burky79]

hamill is looking wicked good with his stand up!

[GDRC]

you can never count out aggression when a judge scores a round.

[mills]

rogan and "them" understood right away becuase it was well,.... understood, guess you had to be there, sorry.
I wish you were there too, forever, you and all the traitors.

Seriuosly though. Rogan or whoever it was, explained it FAST. They knew it was coming.

Guess that was it.

[mills]

They didn't boo Hamil because he was from America, they booed him because he is fighting a guy from England. They would have booed a guy from Brazil, Canada, etc.
Horseshit, sir. Just a big old, smelly pile of horseshit.

Did ya happen to hear tha springsteen?

[mendozathejew]

you can never count out aggression when a judge scores a round.

and hamill has pushed the pace, without question. so theres one excuse for giving bisping right out the window

and hamill is defending almost all the punches bisping manages to get out. hos boxing is impressive, which is shocking to me. his strategy still stinks though

[burky79]

I wish you were there too, forever, you and all the traitors.

Seriuosly though. Rogan or whoever it was, explained it FAST. They knew it was coming.

Guess that was it.

please explain everything you just said, for an idiot like me.

1. wish i was where?
2. i'm a traitor... to whom?
3. Rogan explained what fast?
4. who knew what was coming?

im sorry, but i dont know when to use the "you too" phrase.

[mendozathejew]

hamill is gassing a bit. he still should get the round but I smell screw job. hes blocking bispings shots and taking him down

[burky79]

hamill is gassing a bit. he still should get the round but I smell screw job

how can there be a screw job?

he is beating, blocking and taking down at will Bisping.

he has to have the first two, so unless he gets points deducted in three.. he cant loose.

i agree the pace has slowed and hes gassing, but they dont deduct for that.

[mendozathejew]

he has to have the first two, so unless he gets points deducted in three.. he cant loose.

that should be the case. but it doesnt work that way sometimes, especially in the other guys backyard

[mendozathejew]

for someone with hamills talents his ground and pound is awful

[GDRC]

I wonder if Bob Kelly thinks the UFC is live tonight?

[burky79]

for someone with hamills talents his ground and pound is awful

i agree with the strength he has, that freak like hughes strength that he has... he should have killer GnP... it would be perfect for him to train with matt hughes.

and its over... what a good third round and fight over all... that would be an exciting 5 rounder.. but with hamill gassing that bad... mabe not.

this should easily be matts.

[mendozathejew]

I hope to god this decision isnt an abomination

[GDRC]

I hope to god this decision isnt an abomination

:action-sm

[mendozathejew]

welcome to the fight game.

UFC is still in its honeymoon stage. but believe me the awful shit thats happened in boxing will happen to mma. its the nature of the fight game.

[burky79]

Are you F-ING kidding me?

home team BS....!

good call mendoza.

what a crock.

[LAX]

BULL SHITTTTTT.......Hamill won that fight

[GDRC]

I don't know if it will sway anyone but Sherdog scored the second round for Bisping. So were they in on it too?

[mendozathejew]

Are you F-ING kidding me?

home team BS....!

good call mendoza.

what a crock.

Im a boxing fan as well, have been for a while. so I can see this shit coming. a judge can really put his own interpretation on things if he wants to, or if hes allowed himself by the environment to be led to doing that

in round 3 bisping threw a huge knee, and hamill blocked it beautifully, and took bisping down. but if a judge wants to be the glass half full kinda guy on that night, he can easily say that knee landed and was a big reason he scored the round for bisping

[mendozathejew]

I don't know if it will sway anyone but Sherdog scored the second round for Bisping. So were they in on it too?

they also scored round 1 for kos against gsp, which was really curious. judging is subjective. now did that feel like a 2 rounds to 1 type of fight?

[GDRC]

they also scored round 1 for kos against gsp, which was really curious. judging is subjective
Yup.

[mendozathejew]

UFC needs a scoring revamp like rogan has pointed out. Prides was much much better in my opinion.

the main difference would be in judging the fight in its totality. takedowns and dominant position arent everything, more emphasis would be placed on the guy who came closer to winning with his striking or subs.

and hamill would win in that I think, because he almost had bisping out of there in round 1, and had him buzzed in round 2. hamill got nailed with some shots but was never in danger, and never ran which bisping had to regularly

[latenightrabbit]

Did anybody see that disgraceful decision for Brisbain/Hamill?

[burky79]

judging is subjective. now did that feel like a 2 rounds to 1 type of fight?

yes, ur right, judging is subjective, no matter how many rules there are to govern it... it comes to a human decision.

ehhhh.... not 2 to 1 cut and dry, but definately not a scoring loss for Hamill.

all in all two big swingin tough dudes. which in my mind as far as the fight (scoring aside) it was great to see, just as a fan.

hamill has so much potential. so so much.

[GDRC]

They need to not use boxing judges.

[burky79]

Did anybody see that disgraceful decision for Brisbain/Hamill?
nope


...

i agree with mendoza's rogan quote.. revamp scoring system.
overeall it would make fights... all fights more exciting.

[GDRC]

Who the hell is Brisbain?

[latenightrabbit]

Exactly, my first thought too. Boxing judges! Great call Rich Cunt!

[burky79]

Light heavyweight unification bout

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson (U.S.A.) vs. Dan Henderson (U.S.A.)



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[mendozathejew]

They need to not use boxing judges.

yeah. finding good judges is harder than you think.

and boxing has alot of real good ones. and some of the really good ones still make some awful mistakes. the ring side press has scored many many recent fights much differently than the judges. like unanimously 18 writers scored it one way, and the three judges went the other way. which used to be rare.

but they have to cultivate a new judging era like a sport cultivates new athletes. and for mma being as young as it is, thats obviously a problem

[LAX]

Ok...Rampage is scary even through my TV...

[latenightrabbit]

This is a tough match to call, both fighters are amazing. Yet, who doesn't wanna see Liddel take both belts back?

[mendozathejew]

Shogun will probably be champ within the year

[burky79]

Ok...Rampage is scary even through my TV...

when he makes that "serious" face... he looks mean, like a thug killer type of mean... ya know strangle ya with his bare hands mean.

that being said.

rogan said he is one of the funniest joking dont give a shit type of guys.
isnt that mind boggling?

[latenightrabbit]

Rogan must listen to the show when he's not on. Rampage was a great guy, liked him better after he was on O/A.

[burky79]

what the heck was that...??!?!!

what did henderson do to his gloves?

hahahahah, i think he was f-in with rampage

[mendozathejew]

why did rampage clinch? stupid

[latenightrabbit]

Rampage is a scrapper, it'll be tough if it stays in the clinch.

[mendozathejew]

stop clinching, I dont know what rampage's gameplan is, it seems like he threw it out and his way to aggressive.

[latenightrabbit]

Wow! How bout that little melee when they broke up.

[burky79]

good first.

great stuff from both

[commish13]

Rogan must listen to the show when he's not on. Rampage was a great guy, liked him better after he was on O/A.

He also knows Rampage. The world doesn't revolve around OnA.

[latenightrabbit]

Very true commish

[burky79]

The world doesn't revolve around OnA.

FU
I don't shatter your beliefs

;)

[burky79]

nother great round

these two are champs... this is a fight

[seeinred]

As an inexperienced fan who just catches UFC fights when he can (and I ordered a few on PPV in the "early days") I have to say this has been a really entertaining night. I didn't like the decision in the Cro Cop fight just because of the multiple shots to the testes. I don't get why I don't watch this stuff all the time, because I love it when I do. Is there a place I can catch up on "older" fights and events or something like that?

[latenightrabbit]

Hehe, funny. Both UFC and O/A are amazing, there's no comparing them.

[Fruit Monkey]

they need to $tart fighting im falling a$leep

[latenightrabbit]

Damn that was great! 5 rounds please!!!

[burky79]

damn... i am getting sleeppyyy.

i was up at 6am for tailgating today.
(OSU v Akron)

i am drinking ... sipping my last beer right now.. and it just hit me.
i missed about the last two minutes... beer nap!

i need to do a couple jumpin jacks!... yeah right, my tubby ass, not even maybe.

[latenightrabbit]

Come on brotha (burky), just a few more minutes. Hang in there! The explosive surprises are some of the best parts.

[burky79]

im hangin on... just said f-it and cracked another beer... did that jumpin thing to get the heart goin..

im good.

thx
3min left here.

[latenightrabbit]

Right on! Those last exchanges should help.

[burky79]

wow... what a fight.

i really cant tell you who the winner should be.

they both fought a long long tough fight.

that was amazing.

25 min of it... wow.

[mendozathejew]

thats got to be rampages' decision. great job on the ground against a really great wrestler. especially at the end of round 5. rampage gutted it out like a champion

[latenightrabbit]

Got that right Burky but I think (hope) Rampage has it. Who doesn't want to see a rematch? One strike fights could always be considered a lucky shot. Jackson vs Liddel

[mendozathejew]

god that makes me happy. rampage got fucked over so many times early in his career. he really deserves this success

[burky79]

wow.

right decision... once again, great fight.

i wish all fighters had that heart/ gut it out mentality.

if hamill had it, he would be champ.

[latenightrabbit]

Hamill should've won, that sucked

[burky79]

how many kids does he have again?

[latenightrabbit]

Great to see some real UFC fans here, thanks guys! Looking forward to the 22nd.

[burky79]

great fight, great venue... great night/day all together.

say good night dick

later all, thx 4 hangin

[commish13]

Got that right Burky but I think (hope) Rampage has it. Who doesn't want to see a rematch? One strike fights could always be considered a lucky shot. Jackson vs Liddel

Well Rampage has beat Chuck twice.

[latenightrabbit]

True but who doesn't wanna see that? It's UFC, everybody loses a few times.

[GDRC]

I would rather see Rampage fight Shogun again.

[latenightrabbit]

Mauricio would be prime but how many more years does Chuck have? Couture is a machine, I doubt he has that many years.

[GDRC]

I think win or lose against Jardine, Chuck's next fight is going to be against Wandy.

[latenightrabbit]

I think you're right Rich Cunt. What's you're prediction on Liddel vs Jardine?

[GDRC]

Liddel by KO

[latenightrabbit]

God bless ya! Later on guys

[mendozathejew]

how many kids does he have again?

4 or 5? hes got a few japanese kids. hes got one albino white kid. that kid is hilarious in one of rampage's internet videos. let me find it......

[dodisman]

Deaf boy got ROBBED tonight...pathetic judging

[jules]

good night of fights. hamill got flat out robbed.
a hometown decision. clearly just fucking pathetic judging, and an obvious tip to the english crowd.

fucking horseshit. and then bisping takes a verbal jab at him afterward. used to really like the guy, but now i see him as an asshole.

[mendozathejew]

good night of fights. hamill got flat out robbed.
a hometown decision. clearly just fucking pathetic judging, and an obvious tip to the english crowd.

fucking horseshit. and then bisping takes a verbal jab at him afterward. used to really like the guy, but now i see him as an asshole.

yeah I felt the same way, so did all of my friends who like Bisping alot. its one thing to act like an ass after a fight, but 9 out of 10 grudge matches drop the grudge after the fight with at least a little respect. ortiz shamrock, penn pulver etc

but especially in a close, questionable at best decision you recieve and still take shots at the guy? bisping probably lost some fans tonight

[BullsLawDan]

What a limey fucking faggot. There is no way Bisping won that fight and he knows it, and then to go and slap the guy with a shitty line like that is just asinine. I hope Hamill gets a rematch and breaks his pointy British jaw. When they announced Bisping as the winner I could swear I heard Vince McMahon's entrance music playing. What's next? They blow up Dana White's limo?























Oh, and is it just me, or is Rampage one ghetto fucking n*gger?

[mendozathejew]

Oh, and is it just me, or is Rampage one ghetto fucking n*gger?

nah hes what youd call country, not ghetto. great showing tonight though. a little sloppy on the feet, very impressive on the ground. both guys had a gas tank for a 6 and 7th rounds

[blazin]

Chiming in late tonight...

great lineup, and free. Can't complain.

I agree that Hamil should have gotten the win.

Houston Alexander, or as I call him The Angry Damon Wayans, is becoming my favorite up and coming.

CroCop seems to have lost something, he looked like shit tonight - and his last win against Eddie Sanchez was impressive at the time, but Sanchez is a bum and wasnt a real competitor like Gonzaga and Kongo were.

Rampage fight was good, his post-fight comments were funny.

I love UFC, cant wait till the 22nd

[seeinred]

What a limey fucking faggot. There is no way Bisping won that fight and he knows it, and then to go and slap the guy with a shitty line like that is just asinine. I hope Hamill gets a rematch and breaks his pointy British jaw. When they announced Bisping as the winner I could swear I heard Vince McMahon's entrance music playing. What's next? They blow up Dana White's limo?

Like I said before, I catch UFC when I can, and all my friends I talked to said that Hamill beat the shit out of Bisping. Maybe it was just because I wanted him to win, but I saw that as a very close win for Bisping. Subjectivity at its finest I suppose. Granted, after the fight I felt the same way; I lost some respect for him, and gained some for Hamill. Plus, London Calling > Born in the U.S.A. :action-sm























Oh, and is it just me, or is Rampage one ghetto fucking n*gger?[/quote]

[Steam]

yeah I felt the same way, so did all of my friends who like Bisping alot. its one thing to act like an ass after a fight, but 9 out of 10 grudge matches drop the grudge after the fight with at least a little respect. ortiz shamrock, penn pulver etc



Well, Ortiz/Shamrock took three fights and even after Ortiz won the third fight he still talked shit. Then in the post fight interview he tried to make nice after Shamrock spoke to him.

I loved the Bisping/Hammill decision though. Bisping loses 30/27 on a card yet wins the fight. Very close fight but I give it to Hammill. Oh well.

[mendozathejew]

CroCop seems to have lost something, he looked like shit tonight - and his last win against Eddie Sanchez was impressive at the time, but Sanchez is a bum and wasnt a real competitor like Gonzaga and Kongo were.

but he didnt even look good against sanchez. hes lost his speed, explosiveness, and thats all he has. hes a kickboxer, with takedown defense. and the cage really does nullify his method of takedown defense. without the speed CC doesnt have anything else to go to.

and he seems to have lost that speed. the guy used to be a great counter puncher. he looked awful last night, his body kicks were weak, he saw openings and couldnt fire. he either stopped taking some performance enhancers or he aged overnight.

I tend to go with the former. the difference in his speed and reflexes from the GP and afterwards is to great. maybe he was a "synthetic" fighter to a large degree

[blazin]

but he didnt even look good against sanchez. hes lost his speed, explosiveness, and thats all he has. hes a kickboxer, with takedown defense. and the cage really does nullify his method of takedown defense. without the speed CC doesnt have anything else to go to.

and he seems to have lost that speed. the guy used to be a great counter puncher. he looked awful last night, his body kicks were weak, he saw openings and couldnt fire. he either stopped taking some performance enhancers or he aged overnight.

I tend to go with the former. the difference in his speed and reflexes from the GP and afterwards is to great. maybe he was a "synthetic" fighter to a large degree

You're right. But at the time, people were so amped to watch CroCop that he appeared to look good, when now looking back he didnt.

Im disappointed. I had high hopes for him.

[Capt.Caveman]

I don't know what the fuck is wrong with cro cop!!!! He looked terrible. Henderson rampage was a good fight. Davis looked good. And hamil got robbed. the end