UFC 75: Michael Bisping is a cunt, and so is England

[JordanSRT10]

Mark Hamill (deaf guy) obviously won this. That stupid british crumpet fucker couldn't hold his ground. For those who didn't see it, there wasn't a TKO, and it went to the judges decsision. UFC 75 was held in London, and I KNOW FOR A FACT, that those bitch british judges were pissed at the American Fighters for beating down their hometown boys.

That doesn't piss me off, as much as the fact that once the judges fucked mark hamill, and he humble ackownledged his "defeat", that british faggot had the balls to act like he actually deserved it. The crowd was screaming and cheering in denial. They suck (the UK) and I don't like it.

After hearing the bbboys rant on friday about Britain, I can't help but want 28 Days Later to happen to these dumb accented fucks. :mad4:

[niklbag]

yeah hamill deffinetely won. by a landslide if you ask me. he imposed his will the whole fight and had superior grappling skills. fuckin limey cunts

[pike]

I don't watch UFC much (if it all) but it was on at the bar last night and I watched this fight. My chick and I could not figure out how the fuck that douchebag won. I thought maybe I was just retarded and I didn't know how the scoring worked in UFC but it seemed to me old rotten gullet spent much of his time backed into corners and on the floor while Hamil beat the shit out of him.

[dodisman]

It was embarassing...Really did damage to UFC credibility...and Rogan was a putz for not acknowledging it and pressing it either after the decision or during the interviews...very weak all the way around.

[FattyPneumonia]

Hamil definetly won. I hope the judges don't start fucking up the fights like they do now in boxing.

[Buster H]

It was embarassing...Really did damage to UFC credibility...

I was over at Sniper's house watching this last night. Both of us said exactly the same thing. The UFC must have hired some judges from boxing

[Bud8Weiser]

Hamil won hands down. That was horseshit.

[JordanSRT10]

Did you guys see how many times Hamill let the fucker up off the floor? Redicoulous

[dodisman]

I was over at Sniper's house watching this last night. Both of us said exactly the same thing. The UFC must have hired some judges from boxing

I really hope that was just some anomaly. I'm not sure where those judges were from or if they are used much but that was the first time that i can remember in watching UFC where I was shocked at a decision

[Digital_Trauma]

Mark Hamill (deaf guy) obviously won this.

http://members.shaw.ca/mkuppe/c3/hamill.jpg

uh, isn't the UFC guy named Matt?

[BullsLawDan]

Best (and most accurate) thread title in recent memory.


Before the fight, I really could have rooted for either of them. Liked Bisping on the show, I like where Hamil is coming from (I went to school with him).


Now? Fuck Bisping. I hope the next time they meet Hamil takes off his shorts and mouth-fucks that cunt.



(and yes, this thread just got hot)

[Your_Moms_Box]

Yeah, I have no idea how they could score the first or second round for Bisping. He got his ass kicked for 2 rounds.

[seeinred]

Apparently I was drunker than I thought last night, because I went back and watched this fight after all the complaints, and holy shit was I wrong about Bisping even being close.

[Your_Moms_Box]

Apparently I was drunker than I thought last night, because I went back and watched this fight after all the complaints, and holy shit was I wrong about Bisping even being close.

Yeah, he was slughtered those first 2 rounds.

I like Bisping, I was rooting for the guy, and if this was a 4 or 5 round fight I think he was on track to winning, but it wasn't... it was a 3 round fight and there is NO WAY he was even close to winning the first two rounds.

I gave him the third round, but I don't like when the judges take a fight away from someone. I have never liked the 10 point system for boxing, and I sure as hell don't like it for UFC.

Judges are not impartial, they root for guys, and probably have money on some of them.

I expect there will be a rematch, in Hamill's home turf, but correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't Bisping having some sort of issues getting permission to fight in the states?

[Plunkies]

Fuck Matt Hamill and his retard strength. That shit isn't even fair. I'm glad the judges fucked him. It's not the last time he's going to get owned by judges either since the dummy can't finish a fuckin fight to save his life. He just lays on top of people with his faggoty wrestling doing nothing after talking his mush-mouthed shit constantly. Oh and I think Joe Rogan didn't say anything because Bisping's punches actually land.

[Buster H]

Fuck Matt Hamill and his retard strength. That shit isn't even fair. I'm glad the judges fucked him. It's not the last time he's going to get owned by judges either since the dummy can't finish a fuckin fight to save his life. He just lays on top of people with his faggoty wrestling doing nothing after talking his mush-mouthed shit constantly. Oh and I think Joe Rogan didn't say anything because Bisping's punches actually land.

you must have watched a different fight than the rest of us...........

[BaLZaC~308]

Fuck Matt Hamill and his retard strength. That shit isn't even fair. I'm glad the judges fucked him. It's not the last time he's going to get owned by judges either since the dummy can't finish a fuckin fight to save his life. He just lays on top of people with his faggoty wrestling doing nothing after talking his mush-mouthed shit constantly. Oh and I think Joe Rogan didn't say anything because Bisping's punches actually land.

your out of your fucking mind.

I liked bisping until this fight, he was good on the tv show and I wanted to see more of him but after his assholery after the fight I will root for him to get his teeth kicked in every time I see him fight. It's one thing to be happy and proud of a win but don't be a fucking cunt ESPECIALLY when you know you fucking robbed the better fighter!! Not one "Matt did great, he's a tough guy, it was a close fight"... nothing!!! Just being a fucking cunt.

check this link, 95% of the people thought hamil got robbed
http://ufcmania.com/2007/09/09/ufc-75-deaf-dumb-and-blind-hamill-injustice-mars-otherwise-solid-event/#comments

[Plunkies]

you must have watched a different fight than the rest of us...........

No I just hate Matt Hamill. He's a boring, shitty fighter and a douche bag. Fuck him.

I liked bisping until this fight, he was good on the tv show and I wanted to see more of him but after his assholery after the fight I will root for him to get his teeth kicked in every time I see him fight. It's one thing to be happy and proud of a win but don't be a fucking cunt ESPECIALLY when you know you fucking robbed the better fighter!! Not one "Matt did great, he's a tough guy, it was a close fight"... nothing!!! Just being a fucking cunt.

Good. Hamill deserved it. He does nothing but act like an entitled deaf dick, and did nothing but shit talk about Bisping when the guy tries to just fucking ignore him. The fact that he got robbed just makes me happier.

[BaLZaC~308]

No I just hate Matt Hamill. He's a boring, shitty fighter and a douche bag. Fuck him.

I didnt like him on UF either BUT he won that fight

[d0uche_n0zzle]

I didnt like him on UF either BUT he won that fight

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I'm not a Matt fan, but he was robbed to appease those limey cock suckers.

[mendozathejew]

Oh and I think Joe Rogan didn't say anything because Bisping's punches actually land.

thats hilariously incorrect. hamill was not only more effective on offense, he had far better defense as well. he was blocking very well, even blocked a huge knee in round 3.

but its very common in mma and boxing nowadays to just reward aggression, and not care that punches are blocked or ducked, while disregarding the fact that the other guy pushed the fight, landed better punches, and had ring generalship.

[BullsLawDan]

No I just hate Matt Hamill. He's a boring, shitty fighter and a douche bag. Fuck him.

You're exactly the kind of fan MMA DOES NOT need. Thinking that every fight that doesn't end with some wild-swinging lucky punch is "boring" is exactly the kind of retard attitude that will doom the sport.

Go watch TNA or WWE, clown.

MMA takes a vast amount of skill, and anyone who watched the fight (including many of the fans in Bisping's home country) besides the two waterheads with scorecards saw that Hamil was the more skilled fighter.

[novalia]

I was over at Sniper's house watching this last night. Both of us said exactly the same thing. The UFC must have hired some judges from boxing

the judges ARE from boxing...

don't you notice those names.. cecil peoples... etc..
they need to get their own scoring system.. this stupid 10 point must system is not suited to MMA.

[Cromwell]

Gotta agree with (most) everyone else here.

I was sick to my stomach after that Hamil-Bisbing decision.

I turned to my wife and said - "I don't believe this. The UFC is now just as corrupt as boxing".

By the way - can someone explain to me a "10 point system" that has Hamil coming out in total 86-85 ahead on points - but still loses?

"All three judges gave the first round to Hamill, with Bisping rebounding to win the next two on the cards of Jeff Mullen and Cecil Peoples. Judge Chris Watts was the lone Hamill voter, awarding all three rounds to the American."

Jeff Mullen and Cecil Peoples are two corrupt scumbags, plain and simple.


And Balzac has it right - here's the latest results of the poll at UFC.com:

Who Do YOU Think Should Have Been Awarded The Decision At UFC 75??
Answer: Results:
Michael Bisping 10.48%
Matt Hamill 89.52%


Because of this *atrocious* decision - no one is even talking about the other fights.

Its a real shame.

[abudabit]

Gonna be the 20th to chip in and say that Hamill got screwed. Serves him right though for not finishing Bisbing when he had a chance. Had Bisbing where he wanted him so many times and he just let him up and went back to striking. Eventually Bisbing got the upper hand (but not enough to win a decision IMO) in the stricking.

[abudabit]

The cover story of the yahoo sports MMA/Boxing section is about this. They call it the worst call in UFC history.

LONDON – Michael Bisping got a victory, but he was no winner on Saturday.

The records will show that Bisping raised his record to 14-0 with a split-decision victory over archrival Matt Hamill at UFC 75 before a sellout crowd of 16,235 at O2 Arena.

But Bisping handled himself with so little class afterward that his perception as one of the sport's good guys may have been shattered forever.

The Manchester, England, native has become the face of mixed martial arts in the United Kingdom, and it was deafening inside the O2 when Bisping walked to the cage with the strains of The Clash's "London Calling" blaring over the loudspeakers.



But when ring announcer Bruce Buffer read the verdict and officially handed the victory to Bisping, the arena roared its displeasure. Far more than half, it seemed, were irate at the outcome and booed the decision.

Judges Cecil Peoples and Jeff Mullen favored Bisping, 29-28, while British judge Chris Watts had Hamill, 30-27. I, too, scored it 30-27 for Hamill, though I can at least make a case for Bisping winning the second round.

Most of the media covering the fight had it for Hamill. The scoring of the bout was a more popular topic of conversation at the post-fight news conference – which did not include UFC president Dana White – than the results of the main event between Quinton "Rampage" Jackson and Dan Henderson.

As soon as UFC UK president Marshall Zelaznik opened the floor to questions, a British reporter asked Bisping if he felt he had won.

White, who said he felt Hamill won the fight two rounds to one, said he was told the man questioning Bisping was not a reporter, but rather a Hamill cornerman.

But instead of brushing it off and saying he felt he won and moving on, Bisping took a more unbecoming posture.

"Of course," Bisping said in an aggressive tone, which was much different than his witty, light-hearted persona in the days leading up to the fight. "Why would you talk to me like that?"

The questioner then responded, "Seriously?" which seemed to get Bisping further agitated.

"What do you mean, seriously?" Bisping said. "Do you want to go three rounds? … Of course I won the decision. Get the (expletive) out of here. Get that smile off your face."

And then Bisping made an obscene gesture.

The gesture carried the same kind of sentiment felt toward the judges by fans who watched the fight on Spike TV and later filled Internet bulletin boards with their complaints.

Many wanted to blame White for the call, though he had nothing to do with it.

"Do you know how many times I've been in the TUF Gym and after two rounds thought to myself, 'Well, we're going to a third round,' and they come up with a winner?" White said. "Sometimes what these judges do is hard to believe. But let me tell you this: I know what these kids put into these fights and there is no amount of money in the world that would make me take a fight away from them.

"I don't give a (expletive). We have a different model from boxing. Bisping is a big star in the U.K., but one loss doesn't kill a guy in the UFC. Rampage Jackson beat Chuck Liddell and now he and Chuck are both huge stars. It's a different thing than boxing. But bottom line, not a chance in the world I'd even think of trying to influence the judges."

But one practice the UFC has been using is going to have to stop in light of this controversy.

White has made no secret that he welcomes regulation and, largely for that reason, last year hired the highly respected Marc Ratner away from the Nevada Athletic Commission. One of Ratner's chief duties is to help get the sport sanctioned in jurisdictions where it is not.

The UFC doesn't hold events where there is no regulation in the U.S. However, even though there is no regulation of the MMA in the UK, UFC 75 was the company's third in the U.K. this year and its fourth ever.

And while it's clearly been a great business decision – Saturday's gate was $2.7 million and merchandise sales set an arena record, surpassing what was done at a Rolling Stones concert – it hasn't come without a price.

The UFC put Ratner in charge of regulating the fights in the U.K. He administered the weigh-in, oversaw the drug tests and appointed the referee and the judges. The UFC, White says, pays the judges when the fights are in the U.K.

I've known Ratner for nearly 20 years and can vouch that his integrity is unquestioned. I'd trust my life with him.

However, most people don't know Ratner as well as I do, and it raises ethical questions to have the promoter regulating the very fights he's promoting.

It leads to the wild speculation that is spreading across the Internet that the scoring was somehow part of a master plan hatched by White.

That, of course, is ridiculous. Mullen and Peoples, the judges who scored it for Bisping, are good men who simply made a mistake.

But because they were appointed by the UFC, their work can be – and has been – viewed more skeptically than, say, had they been appointed by the British Boxing Board of Control.

White said the UFC brought Simon Block, the general secretary of the BBBC, to the fights as its guest on Saturday in hopes the commission will opt to regulate MMA as well as boxing.

Until the U.K. creates a commission to regulate MMA, the only reasonable answer for the UFC is to not stage fights there until it does.

White, though, didn't see that as an answer.

"These controversies that come up don't mean a thing to me and they roll off my back with no problem because I know it's all (expletive)," he said. "We're the top dogs and every little thing we do is news and people create these wacky (expletive) conspiracies. The bottom line is, we've embraced regulation, we want the sport to be regulated everywhere, but I'm not going to stop putting fights in the U.K. just because they don't have a commission."

It will hurt business-wise, but it's the only reasonable option.

And, while they're at it, the UFC honchos should mandate a rematch between Bisping and Hamill.

White said the rematch is "a no-brainer and I'm going to be on it right away."

Having them fight again in a place where an official athletic commission will oversee the affairs is the only way to remove the stench surrounding UFC 75.

[KneeKnee]

Its been a while since I watched UFC, but I caught this show and felt that Hammill dominated most of the match and totally got robbed.

I hope there is a rematch, because he deserves one.

[highfive]

anyone have a link that shows the fight?

[JMCC]

Bisping is a fucking fag, and i hope Hamill gets a rematch cause he did not lose that match. I just hope this type of shit doesn't happen anymore, otherwise UFC will be the next boxing.

[Plunkies]

You're exactly the kind of fan MMA DOES NOT need. Thinking that every fight that doesn't end with some wild-swinging lucky punch is "boring" is exactly the kind of retard attitude that will doom the sport.

Go watch TNA or WWE, clown.

MMA takes a vast amount of skill, and anyone who watched the fight (including many of the fans in Bisping's home country) besides the two waterheads with scorecards saw that Hamil was the more skilled fighter.

Did I fucking SAY every fight had to end in a lucky punch? No. I'm saying being able to sit in a guy's guard for 15 minutes and do no fucking damage and winning a decision every time for it is fucking lame. I haaaaaate Hamill because that's how he typically wins his fights, but I'm glad he's improved his stand-up so my rants in this thread are probably not making any sense...But he's still a douche bag.

I turned to my wife and said - "I don't believe this. The UFC is now just as corrupt as boxing".

No need to be a drama queen. How many times have we heard the phrase "don't leave it to the judges" after a controversial decision? What, you're saying the judges were payed off? Unless you have evidence of this I think looking to the fight would be a better option.

I think we can all agree that the third round could easily be given to Bisping and the first was Hamill's. I just rewatched the second round, I now understand the judges on this one. Infact, I'll take the unpopular stance that Bisping earned that fight. Hamill's entire second round was basically a bunch of jabs while he ate combo after combo, and a take down which resulted in Hamill's signature fighting style of doing NOTHING the entire time, not a single attempt to pass and no damage done. Meanwhile Bisping was actually working toward getting submissions and advancing his position until he gets up after maybe a minute.

Hamill did get some uppercuts in a headlock that could easily be overlooked though. He was also the one moving forward for a little over half the round so it depends how much credit you give for being the aggressor.

I think the judges did a good job just based on how I view fights. I don't think so many points should be awarded for being the "aggressor" especially when you're being outmaneuvered the entire time (limits strategy imo). I don't think hit and run tactics should be discouraged and walking into punches encouraged, but that's just me. I also hate so many points rewarded for take downs which result in nothing getting accomplished. Sure give him credit for the initial take down, but not for sitting on top doing nothing while the guy on the bottom actually works for submissions and damage.

Second round could have gone either way in my opinion, and it did. Oh well. It's not that controversial of a decision.

[JordanSRT10]

No need to be a drama queen. How many times have we heard the phrase "don't leave it to the judges" after a controversial decision? What, you're saying the judges were payed off? Unless you have evidence of this I think looking to the fight would be a better option.




The judges were probably not payed off you cock licker, they were FUCKING BIASED.

That qualifies as corruption you cunt of a human being.

[Buster H]

The judges were probably not payed off you cock licker, they were FUCKING BIASED.

That qualifies as corruption you cunt of a human being.

take a deep breath............

it's only a sport

[Chino Kapone]

Did I fucking SAY every fight had to end in a lucky punch? No. I'm saying being able to sit in a guy's guard for 15 minutes and do no fucking damage and winning a decision every time for it is fucking lame. I haaaaaate Hamill because that's how he typically wins his fights, but I'm glad he's improved his stand-up so my rants in this thread are probably not making any sense...But he's still a douche bag.



No need to be a drama queen. How many times have we heard the phrase "don't leave it to the judges" after a controversial decision? What, you're saying the judges were payed off? Unless you have evidence of this I think looking to the fight would be a better option.

I think we can all agree that the third round could easily be given to Bisping and the first was Hamill's. I just rewatched the second round, I now understand the judges on this one. Infact, I'll take the unpopular stance that Bisping earned that fight. Hamill's entire second round was basically a bunch of jabs while he ate combo after combo, and a take down which resulted in Hamill's signature fighting style of doing NOTHING the entire time, not a single attempt to pass and no damage done. Meanwhile Bisping was actually working toward getting submissions and advancing his position until he gets up after maybe a minute.

Hamill did get some uppercuts in a headlock that could easily be overlooked though. He was also the one moving forward for a little over half the round so it depends how much credit you give for being the aggressor.

I think the judges did a good job just based on how I view fights. I don't think so many points should be awarded for being the "aggressor" especially when you're being outmaneuvered the entire time (limits strategy imo). I don't think hit and run tactics should be discouraged and walking into punches encouraged, but that's just me. I also hate so many points rewarded for take downs which result in nothing getting accomplished. Sure give him credit for the initial take down, but not for sitting on top doing nothing while the guy on the bottom actually works for submissions and damage.

Second round could have gone either way in my opinion, and it did. Oh well. It's not that controversial of a decision.


I partially agree with alot of what you say Plunkies. If you want to win in the UFC you cannot let the judges make the decision for you. Thats plain and simple, Dana will tell you that every time. In no way would Dana do something to question the integrity of the sport by fixing fights. Hes providing a different product than boxing and a controvery like this would be the last thing he would want.

None of the judges were from the UK, and Peoples had a questionable desicion in the Ortiz/Griffin fight. So its not like there was a British biased.

I truly believe that Hammil won the fight, he was more aggressive pushed the pace and he looked like he had Bisping off of his game. Bisping looked uncomfortable but Matt didnt do enough overall damage to show that he really beat up Bisping. Hammil took him down more, but he didnt do much, he just tried to wrestle him and not fight him enough. Good fight htough and Hammil truly got robbed.

[Plunkies]

The judges were probably not payed off you cock licker, they were FUCKING BIASED.

That qualifies as corruption you cunt of a human being.

Biased how? Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the only British judge gave the fight to Hamill.

[Chino Kapone]

Biased how? Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the only British judge gave the fight to Hamill.

i was told there were not british justdges, oh well what do i know.

[Your_Moms_Box]

Correct, the british judge was the only one to give the fight to Hamill.

I've rewatched the fight, and I still don't see how you could say Bisping came CLOSE to winning.

And I am sick and tired of hearing about morons complain about ground game.

You have no idea how much is actually happening on the ground and in the guard if you think that it is just "taking a guy down and sitting on him"

I should lend you my copies of UFC 1 & 2 so you can watch Royce Gracie fight.

Jiu Jitsu is a ground based fighting style where you take a guy down, control him, and be patient enough to wait for an oppourtunity to submit the guy, which can take a while.

UFC is not Boxing, and it shouldn't be.

[Chino Kapone]

Correct, the british judge was the only one to give the fight to Hamill.

I've rewatched the fight, and I still don't see how you could say Bisping came CLOSE to winning.

And I am sick and tired of hearing about morons complain about ground game.

You have no idea how much is actually happening on the ground and in the guard if you think that it is just "taking a guy down and sitting on him"

I should lend you my copies of UFC 1 & 2 so you can watch Royce Gracie fight.

Jiu Jitsu is a ground based fighting style where you take a guy down, control him, and be patient enough to wait for an oppourtunity to submit the guy, which can take a while.

UFC is not Boxing, and it shouldn't be.

but at the same time Hammil couldnt just sit on him and hope for a victory, he needed to advance his position instead of just letting him go. I just think he could have done more once he got Bisping on the ground.

You cant let the judges decide the victory for you...

[Capt.Caveman]

I tried to see what they saw but couldn't

round 1 definately Hammil
Round 3 Bisbing won that one
Round 2 has to be the one in question and even still hamil won the 1st 4:20 of that round. he was striking better getting takedowns. he didn't do anything on the ground and bisbing was getting escapes but I still can't see how you can give that round to bisbing. Hamil got hosed. I like both fighters. They both need work. Hamil won that fight hands down. But I also can't see how the one judge gave hamil the 3rd round. Bisbing clearly won that one

[Plunkies]

Correct, the british judge was the only one to give the fight to Hamill.

I've rewatched the fight, and I still don't see how you could say Bisping came CLOSE to winning.

And I am sick and tired of hearing about morons complain about ground game.

You have no idea how much is actually happening on the ground and in the guard if you think that it is just "taking a guy down and sitting on him"

I should lend you my copies of UFC 1 & 2 so you can watch Royce Gracie fight.

Jiu Jitsu is a ground based fighting style where you take a guy down, control him, and be patient enough to wait for an oppourtunity to submit the guy, which can take a while.

UFC is not Boxing, and it shouldn't be.

Dude it isn't magical. You have to be active on the ground or nothing gets done. There's a huge difference between doing something on the ground and doing nothing. Hamill does nothing. You're going to sit here and compare Royce Gracie to what Hamill did in that fight? Are you fucking shitting me?

[Capt.Caveman]

Dude it isn't magical. You have to be active on the ground or nothing gets done. There's a huge difference between doing something on the ground and doing nothing. Hamill does nothing. You're going to sit here and compare Royce Gracie to what Hamill did in that fight? Are you fucking shitting me?

you'd have a point if he was winning all his fights by decision but he's had 4 fights in ufc and has 2 1st round ko's.

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?FighterID=16695

Loss Michael Bisping Decision (split) UFC 75 - Champion vs. Champion 9/8/2007 3 5:00

Win Rex Holman TKO (Strikes) UFC 68 - Uprising 3/3/2007 1 4:00

Win Seth Petruzelli Decision (Unanimous) UFC - The Final Chapter 10/10/2006 3 5:00

Win Jesse Forbes TKO (Strikes) UFC - Ultimate Fighter 3 Finale 6/24/2006 1 4:47

[mik3]

There will probably be a rematch, in america I'm guessing, then Bisping will go to 185 where he belongs.

[mendozathejew]

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