Bloomberg needs to DIE...LIKE NOW

[turdfrgsn]

he really is an utterly worthless fuck
worse than dinkins ever was
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Iran [Seth Leibsohn]

The NYSUN is reporting " In a move that has stunned New York, the Bloomberg administration is in discussions to escort the Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, to Ground Zero during his visit to New York next week, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said today. The Iranian mission to the U.N. made the request to the New York City Police Department and the Secret Service, who will jointly oversee security during the president's two-day visit. Mr. Ahmadinejad is scheduled to arrive September 24 to speak to the U.N. General Assembly as the Security Council decides whether to increase sanctions against Iran for its uranium enrichment program."

How far we've come. Rudy Giuliani, when he was mayor, had Yasser Arafat escorted out of Lincoln Center, and was right to do so—he didn't consider ways to make Arafat's visit comfortable.

There is a debate of sorts as to whether the U.N. can legally deny a visa to a head of state such as Ahmadinejad. We denied Arafat a visa in 1988 under the fiction that he was not a head of state. But what about our states? Anyone remember 1983 and how two Governors, Tom Kean and Mario Cuomo, of New Jersey and New York handled their duties? They denied Soviet landing rights in their states as a result of the USSR shooting down KAL 007.

As the U.N. screamed over this lese majeste, threatening to deny the U.S. as home to the U.N., the late Ambassador Charles Lichenstein took it just fine, saying: "We will put no impediment in your way. The members of the U.S. mission to the United Nations will be down at the dockside waving you a fond farewell as you sail off into the sunset."

How I miss the days when city, state, and national leaders took terrorism as seriously as they used to.

09/19 04:11 PM

[Jimmy's Dignity]

I can only hope this is part of an assassination plot...

[Creampier]

Worst... Mayor.... Ever!!!

[Budyzir]

I'm wondering if if the NYPD and Secret Service are under some kind of treaty or diplomatic obligation to provide security to a visiting head of state, even if he is a crazed terrorist savage.

The best response would be something like " ... having reviewed the situation we have determined that, within security considerations, the visit would be untenable and therefore deny the request."

Don't expect to see many New Yorkers protesting this POS, they'll be busy lining up to lick his ass. I forgot which one but, either Columbia or NYU is hosting some kind of upscale reception for Ahmadinejad and Chavez.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

that would be Columbia...

[mendozathejew]

the NYPD apparently just said no to this and it was their call

[Kris_LTRMa]

It's not going to happen:

September 19, 2007
City Rebuffs Request by Ahmadinejad
Visit to Ground Zero Has Been Rejected, Police Say

BY SARAH GARLAND - Staff Reporter of the Sun
September 19, 2007
URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/63009

New York City, moving swiftly in the face of outrage from the White House to the political hustings to the Jewish community, is rejecting a request by President Ahmadinejad to lay a wreath at Ground Zero when the Iranian is in New York next week for a meeting of the United Nations.

After a spokesman for the National Security Council in the White House said that a decision on Mr. Ahmadinejad's visit was up to New York City, the police department put out a statement saying that the idea for a visit had been quickly dismissed earlier this month in a mid-level meeting among aides of the police department, the secret service, and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.

"This is a matter for the City of New York resolve," a spokesman for the National Security Council at the White House, Gordon, Johndroe, said. He added pointedly: "It seems odd that the president of a country that is a state sponsor of terror would visit ground zero." Minutes later administration officials were saying privately that a visit by Mr. Ahmadinejad anywhere near ground zero was "not going to happen."

News that such a visit was being considered was greeted with astonishment and outrage by New Yorkers on both sides of the political spectrum, and not only New Yorkers but presidential candidates, including Senator Clinton, Governor Romney, and Senator Thompson, each of whom opposed the visit as dishonoring the memory of those who died on September 11, 2001.

"It is unacceptable for Iranian President Ahmadinejad, who refuses to renounce and end his own country's support of terrorism, to visit the site of the deadliest terrorist attack on American soil in our nation's history," Mrs. Clinton said in a statement.

"An insult to the memory of those who died on 9/11 at the hands of terrorists, and those who have fought terrorism for years," is how a spokeswoman for Mr. Thompson, Karen Hanretty, characterized the proposed visit. A Republican candidate, Mitt Romney, called the plan "shockingly audacious."

That both federal and city law enforcement have been quietly considering the request to escort Mr. Ahmadinejad to ground zero during his visit to New York next week for a meeting of the United Nations was confirmed by New York City's police commissioner, Raymond Kelly, today. Mr. Kelly, at a routine press appearance at police headquarters mid-day today, indicated discussions were still underway over Mr. Ahmadinejad desire to visit ground zero during a two-day trip to address the world body as the Security Council considers issuing stricter sanctions for Iran's uranium enrichment program.

Mr. Kelly said the NYPD and Secret Service were in discussions with the Iranian Mission about the logistics for the possible visit and whether it would take place at all. He said Mr. Ahmadinejad would not be allowed to descend into the pit for safety reasons related to ongoing construction at the site. "There has been some interest expressed in his visiting the area," Mr. Kelly said. "It's something that we are prepared to handle if in fact it does happen."

Later this afternoon an NYPD spokesman, Deputy Commissioner Paul Browne, issued a statement saying the police department would oppose a visit to the area around ground zero, and said it had refused Mr. Ahmadinejad's request earlier this month to enter the pit. "Requests for the Iranian president to visit the immediate area would also be opposed by the NYPD on security grounds," he said.

The Iranian mission to the United Nations did not respond immediately to requests for comment. The Iranian mission to the United Nations made the request to the NYPD and the Secret Service, which will jointly oversee security for the president.

Mr. Ahmadinejad's visit to the United Nations will be his third to New York City in two years. A visit to ground zero would mark the first time he or any other Middle Eastern leader made an official visit to the site of the September 11 terrorist attacks, according to Mr. Kelly. Mr. Ahmadinejad is one of the most anti-American leaders in the world and has vowed that Israel will be destroyed.

After news broke of the Iranian's request to visit ground zero, a vice chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations, Malcolm Hoenlein, said a visit by Mr. Ahmadinejad "would violate the sanctity of the sacred place and the memory of those who perished there."

Mr. Hoenlein is among those who were already organizing a protest against the Iranian leader Monday in front of the United Nations. He told The New York Sun that the Iranian president should be restricted to the immediate vicinity of the United Nations and should not be permitted to travel the full extent of the 25-mile radius that is normally allowed for foreign dignitaries attending meetings at the world body.

Condemnation of the idea is not restricted to the Jewish community, however, and came quickly and spiritedly from several quarters. A prominent Iranian scholar and founder of the American Iranian Council, Hooshang Amirahmadi, said the plan illustrated Mr. Ahmadinejad's naiveté and misunderstanding of the American people.

"He doesn't understand how America works. He doesn't understand the depths of the problems with the U.S.," Mr. Amirahmadi said. "Somebody may have told him that ground zero is very symbolic to Americans, and that visiting there and saying something would help —the problem is that everybody around him is stupid."

The proposed visit also angered local officials. Council Member Eric Gioia said he would be organizing a protest against the visit to which he would invite the families of the victims of the September 11 terrorist attacks. "It's an outrage," Mr. Gioia said. "The city of New York should not be giving a photo op to a tyrant."

Iran has been called the world's "most active state sponsor of terrorism" by the U.S. State Department.

[turdfrgsn]

thank god, i was about to throw up in my mouf

still, columbia and nyu will no doubt protest not allowing amadamadinnerjacket to go to ground zero

[d0uche_n0zzle]

The piece of fucking shit should blow himself up at the UN and take a bunch of those useless fuck stains out too.

[datsyukian deek]

Wait... whats Iran's involvement in 9/11?

[Kris_LTRMa]

Wait... whats Iran's involvement in 9/11?

Oh jeez - He's a terrorist, hates American and Israel as well:

Mr. Ahmadinejad's visit to the United Nations will be his third to New York City in two years. A visit to ground zero would mark the first time he or any other Middle Eastern leader made an official visit to the site of the September 11 terrorist attacks, according to Mr. Kelly. Mr. Ahmadinejad is one of the most anti-American leaders in the world and has vowed that Israel will be destroyed.

After news broke of the Iranian's request to visit ground zero, a vice chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations, Malcolm Hoenlein, said a visit by Mr. Ahmadinejad "would violate the sanctity of the sacred place and the memory of those who perished there."

Mr. Hoenlein is among those who were already organizing a protest against the Iranian leader Monday in front of the United Nations. He told The New York Sun that the Iranian president should be restricted to the immediate vicinity of the United Nations and should not be permitted to travel the full extent of the 25-mile radius that is normally allowed for foreign dignitaries attending meetings at the world body.

Condemnation of the idea is not restricted to the Jewish community, however, and came quickly and spiritedly from several quarters. A prominent Iranian scholar and founder of the American Iranian Council, Hooshang Amirahmadi, said the plan illustrated Mr. Ahmadinejad's naiveté and misunderstanding of the American people.

"He doesn't understand how America works. He doesn't understand the depths of the problems with the U.S.," Mr. Amirahmadi said. "Somebody may have told him that ground zero is very symbolic to Americans, and that visiting there and saying something would help —the problem is that everybody around him is stupid."

The proposed visit also angered local officials. Council Member Eric Gioia said he would be organizing a protest against the visit to which he would invite the families of the victims of the September 11 terrorist attacks. "It's an outrage," Mr. Gioia said. "The city of New York should not be giving a photo op to a tyrant."

Iran has been called the world's "most active state sponsor of terrorism" by the U.S. State Department.

[Treat_Yourself]

Wait... whats Iran's involvement in 9/11?

They had no involvement in 9/11, but they are a state sponsor of terrorism. They, through their hezbollah proxies, bombed the marine barracks in Beirut in the '80s, through their Quds organization hit the Khobar towers in Saudi Arabia in the 90's, and have placed hezbollah cells in the US. One was busted running scams to raise funds in North Carolina.

[mendozathejew]

Wait... whats Iran's involvement in 9/11?

whats irans involvement in Iraq is the question. and the threats they are making

[Sinn Fein]

Officials Reject Iranian President's Bid To Visit Ground Zero (http://www.wnbc.com/news/14152775/detail.html?dl=headlineclick)

NEW YORK -- Officials on Wednesday decided to reject the Iranian president's request to visit ground zero just weeks after the anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks.

The decision came in a meeting that included representatives of the NYPD, the Secret Service and the Port Authority, according to police.

NYPD officials confirmed in a statement that earlier this month the department received a request from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to visit the World Trade Center site during the United Nations General Assembly. Ahmadinejad asked permission to lay a wreath at the site.

The request to enter the fenced-in site was rejected because of ongoing construction there, police spokesman Paul Browne said. "Requests for the Iranian president to visit the immediate area would also be opposed by the NYPD on security grounds," Browne said.

Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said earlier Wednesday that the city was considering Ahmadinejad's request, but Browne said about two hours later that Kelly had misspoke.

The Port Authority, which owns the trade center site and is the only agency that could grant Ahmadinejad permission to go inside, said it never received such a request, contradicting the police statement.

"We have not been asked to accommodate the president of Iran," Port Authority spokesman Steve Coleman said Wednesday.

It wasn't clear whether Ahmadinejad wanted to descend to the base of the trade center site, where the fallen twin towers stood, or lay a wreath on a public sidewalk outside the site. Telephone calls to the Iranian Mission to the United Nations were not immediately returned.

It's a non issue. It's not happening. Move along, nothing to see here.

[fuckwit]

why does this bad ass need an escort? he talks such a big game..

[datsyukian deek]

Oh jeez - He's a terrorist, hates American and Israel as well:

And I fail to see anything wrong with the things hes said. To call the man a terrorist for thinking a certain way is insane. A lot of people hate Israel, does that mean that he has the means to accomplish his dream?

Let me guess, you believe that America is the best country in the world? Not only that, we can do no wrong..

Jesus, a lot of people in the world don't share are views on life, we're gonna consider them all terrorists now?

I love how the world has changed and everything is "Preemptive". Mr. Towel head is the next Hitler! Why? What has he done? He may be a fuck, he may hate America but he has yet to do anything.

Of course, im sure you're part of the 20% of America that thinks we have the means to conquer the world.. $10 trillion dollar deficit and all.

[JoeyDVDZ]

And I fail to see anything wrong with the things hes said. To call the man a terrorist for thinking a certain way is insane. A lot of people hate Israel, does that mean that he has the means to accomplish his dream?

Let me guess, you believe that America is the best country in the world? Not only that, we can do no wrong..

Jesus, a lot of people in the world don't share are views on life, we're gonna consider them all terrorists now?

I love how the world has changed and everything is "Preemptive". Mr. Towel head is the next Hitler! Why? What has he done? He may be a fuck, he may hate America but he has yet to do anything.

Of course, im sure you're part of the 20% of America that thinks we have the means to conquer the world.. $10 trillion dollar deficit and all.

I sincerely hope you're not advocating allowing the leader of a country that actively supports terrorist activities to visit the site of the worst terrorist attack in American history. If you are, you're delusional.

[datsyukian deek]

I sincerely hope you're not advocating allowing the leader of a country that actively supports terrorist activities to visit the site of the worst terrorist attack in American history. If you are, you're delusional.


I don't even think he should be allowed in the country... Secondly, the UN should be abandoned or moved to a "Neutral" country.

I just can't stand the very broad definition of "Terrorist" and the holy then thou fucksticks in this country who think we conquest around the world to spread peace.

[mendozathejew]

And I fail to see anything wrong with the things hes said. To call the man a terrorist for thinking a certain way is insane. A lot of people hate Israel, does that mean that he has the means to accomplish his dream?

Let me guess, you believe that America is the best country in the world? Not only that, we can do no wrong..

Jesus, a lot of people in the world don't share are views on life, we're gonna consider them all terrorists now?

I love how the world has changed and everything is "Preemptive". Mr. Towel head is the next Hitler! Why? What has he done? He may be a fuck, he may hate America but he has yet to do anything.


people who advocate killing millions of people are terrorists. people who fund hezbollah are terrorists.

and Iran has killed americans in Iraq.

[JoeyDVDZ]

I don't even think he should be allowed in the country... Secondly, the UN should be abandoned or moved to a "Neutral" country.

I just can't stand the very broad definition of "Terrorist" and the holy then thou fucksticks in this country who think we conquest around the world to spread peace.

I agree that we really shouldn't be in Iraq. That being said, we generally don't "conquer" a country. We do step in when human rights are being beat to shit by some douchebag dictator asshat. Should we be doing that? I don't know. But once we get rid of the dick who is beating his people down we generally try to help them get on their feet, and then we step aside & let them rule themselves.

[datsyukian deek]

people who advocate killing millions of people are terrorists. people who fund hezbollah are terrorists.

and Iran has killed americans in Iraq.

I believe your definition of terrorism is too narrow to be on par with today's actual definition. Ten years ago, I and most of the rest of the country thought a terrorist was a towel head who blew up a bus full of kids. Occasionally even a crazy white guy obsessed with an Arian nation.

Currently, if you hate America you're considered a terrorist. If you share a "radical" view you're un-american.

That mindset is what has caused us to be in the current clusterfuck. America, as a nation will never survive if we set out to influence the world alone. Lots of "Empires" have tried it and it never lasts.

Serrrrrrriously, can any of you accept that maybe, as a nation, we haven't been the nicest people ever? Did we deserve 9/11? Probably not but its hardly such a large event that we need to kill ourselves trying to "change" the world.

On top of that, there are so many other problems in the world that we seem to ignore that will more than likely come back to bite us in the ass.

Half the people that we fight against seem to be former "allies." We supported Towel Head #1 at one time because it was beneficial. In fact we supported his terrorist actions against the soviets in Afghanistan. We were mutually benefiting partners. He wanted the Russians out and we wanted another "Ally" against the REDS.

What sent Osama over the edge? Fucking him over in Afghanistan.. (Giving him weapons but no real support) and moving our troops in Saudi Arabia.

I mean fuck, religion in general blows but when you spit in the eyes of a population as a whole and expect no retaliation then you're fucked in the head.

[mendozathejew]

Currently, if you hate America you're considered a terrorist. If you share a "radical" view you're un-american.

What sent Osama over the edge? Fucking him over in Afghanistan.. (Giving him weapons but no real support) and moving our troops in Saudi Arabia.

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youve repeatedly ignored the fact that Hezbollah IS a terrorist organization, and it is funded and run by Iran. But I doubt you have a problem with what they have done and still do.

what sent Bin Laden over the edge was the fact that the arabs wanted the US to deal with Iraq ****** and pillaging Kuwaitt, and not Bin Laden.

your just a go against the grain, anti establishment douche who selectively finds spots to bark at

[datsyukian deek]

I would say its hard not to go against the grain when you're surrounded by bigots, racists and die hard patriots.. you know the typical O and A fan.

There are 300 million people in the United States and close to 7 billion on the Earth as a whole. Stick your head in the sand, call every else a savage and listen to GW.

Ever think that maybe, just maybe, other people around the world might have a different view on life? Quite possibly we may not have the best view or way of life?

Get back to me in twenty years, when the worlds population shoots to 12 billion and we'll see if the US has converted everyone.

Or...

We worry about ourselves, worry about securing our own assets, borders and citizens. Stop policing the world and stop pissing off the majority of the world.

:action-sm

[mendozathejew]

again you cant address the relevant facts. . instead you try making a poignant political statement.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

your just a go against the grain, anti establishment douche who selectively finds spots to bark at

Dat deek is just that...:D

[datsyukian deek]

Dat deek is just that...:D

QFT

Oh fuck, pad your post count any less?:action-sm

[Legend of Snuka]

I would say its hard not to go against the grain when you're surrounded by bigots, racists and die hard patriots.. you know the typical O and A fan.

There are 300 million people in the United States and close to 7 billion on the Earth as a whole. Stick your head in the sand, call every else a savage and listen to GW.

Ever think that maybe, just maybe, other people around the world might have a different view on life? Quite possibly we may not have the best view or way of life?

Get back to me in twenty years, when the worlds population shoots to 12 billion and we'll see if the US has converted everyone.

Or...

We worry about ourselves, worry about securing our own assets, borders and citizens. Stop policing the world and stop pissing off the majority of the world.

:action-sm

Ok there is also a problem with people not understanding how things work and learn how to open a book...Before I even start, I wish the US could stop policing the world. I wish the UN was a functioning organization...

The US has done some horrible things, unspeakable things but our record is better than most...We've done way more good than bad...

Case in point....We had to get involved in Afghanistan with these savages, because if the Soviets had been able to conquer Afghanistan they would have kept rollin all over the middle east shifting the Cold War decisively in their favor. A good portion of the world would have been speaking Russian today.

Okay next, Gulf War I....Saddam takes over Kuwait...If we didn't do something, he could of rolled through Saudi Arabia in a week and got control of the world's oil.

Gulf War II - Before I go off on this, I don't really agree with the war but I can see the reasoning behind it....If you look at a map, Iraq is a pivot point in the middle east...By going into Iraq, we got forces within hours distance of a multitude of countries that have a hand in terrorism. You'd be surprised how more willing these leaders are to crack down on terrorists when they can see F-15's from their palace.

Iran - You got some leader and Mullahs, ready to start lobbing nukes on the ideal that some kid in a book will show up setting off a caliphate... Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Israel start lobbing nukes at each other, the world's oil supply is fucked and we got a worldwide recession that will make the 1930's look like a Brady Bunch episode.

Until we become energy independent and we wall off those savages, the US is forced to play Politika... Someone once said" We have to fight smaller wars, so we don't have to fight bigger ones"

[Vyce]

Dat deek is just that...:D

Dat deek is proving himself to be a particularly disgusting human being in this thread.

BTW, to the OP: don't just blame Bloomberg for this bullshit. Blame Bush too, who COULD stop this, but won't, because apparently he's decided he wants to spend the rest of his term with EVERYONE pissed off at him, including the few people left out there amongst the base who weren't totally against him.

[Vyce]

And I fail to see anything wrong with the things hes said. To call the man a terrorist for thinking a certain way is insane. A lot of people hate Israel, does that mean that he has the means to accomplish his dream?


Fuck you.

Seriously, fuck off and die with this bullshit.

Iran has been sponsoring terrorism since before the Iraq War. It's been sponsoring terrorism since before George W. Bush was president. It's been sponsoring terrorism for DECADES now. In more recent years, it's ratched up its support of terror groups like Hezbollah, who've been waging a jihad against Israel for years now, and which has produced numerous Jewish - and Lebanese - corpses as a result. And whether you believe it or not - I'm guessing you don't - we have hard evidence that Iran's Revolutionary Guard squads have been infiltrating Iraq, supplying tactics, resources, and weapons to the insurgency. They've also participated in military actions against our soldiers. We know this because we've actually CAPTURED the bastards doing it.

So what you have is, the leader of a country who sponsors Islamic terrorism across the Middle East (and around the globe), who's called for the destruction of Israel, who's denounced the Holocaust, and who is, ultimately, responsible for the deaths of numerous innocent Jews / Israelis (through its terror proxies), and responsible for the deaths of U.S. soldiers currently fighting in Iraq........and you personally agree with him, and chastise us for (justifiably) denigrating him "for thinking a certain way."

You're a piece of shit. And THIS bullshit from you is exactly what I was talking about when I mentioned this complete and utter ignorance from some of you to your own hypocrisy. Because you'll say the most insane shit about George Bush, yet defend this fucker, who REALLY IS the sort of evil tyrant you claim Bush is. And before you start BITCHING - I could really give a fuck if you hate Bush or not; he's far from my favorite president or politician, certainly in this day and age. But to see you turn around and defend this prick is just beyond my limit. The sort of hypocrisy that such a position creates is physically nauseating to me.

[Kris_LTRMa]

And I fail to see anything wrong with the things hes said. To call the man a terrorist for thinking a certain way is insane. A lot of people hate Israel, does that mean that he has the means to accomplish his dream?

Let me guess, you believe that America is the best country in the world? Not only that, we can do no wrong..

Jesus, a lot of people in the world don't share are views on life, we're gonna consider them all terrorists now?

I love how the world has changed and everything is "Preemptive". Mr. Towel head is the next Hitler! Why? What has he done? He may be a fuck, he may hate America but he has yet to do anything.

Of course, im sure you're part of the 20% of America that thinks we have the means to conquer the world.. $10 trillion dollar deficit and all.

These have to be one of the most ignorant statements ever written.

Iran is the world's "most active state sponsor of terrorism". Whether his statements about hating this country are real or just rhetoric why should we wait around and see what he's going to do? We heard rumblings about Bin Laden wanting to attack America and rather than taking the guy out we waited to see if he was really going to do it. Look how well the wait & see tactic worked. Over 3000 people died as a result of not taking some form of preemptive action.

I do believe that America is the best country in the world. If I didn't I'd be packing my things and moving to another country which might be better. This country may not be perfect but I'd much rather live here than anywhere else. So does my cousin and the rest of the men and women in the military who are putting their lives on the line over in Iraq and elsewhere.

No, people with different views on life are not terrorists. If that were the case then you & I would be considered terrorists. But when you take your hatred of those who think differently and start blowing them, and yourself, up then you've crossed the line from an individual with a different opinion to a terrorist.

Do we have the means to conquer the world? No, nor should we be conquering the world. We have to stop playing the big protector to everyone. Our focus should be on protecting our country, our borders, our people.

[KingTheoden84]

youve repeatedly ignored the fact that Hezbollah IS a terrorist organization, and it is funded and run by Iran. But I doubt you have a problem with what they have done and still do.

what sent Bin Laden over the edge was the fact that the arabs wanted the US to deal with Iraq ****** and pillaging Kuwaitt, and not Bin Laden.

your just a go against the grain, anti establishment douche who selectively finds spots to bark at

Spare me the bullshit. Israel routinely rockets civilians and that is called 'fighting back' but when a few 1950s era antiques are launched from some pissed off guerrillas whose families had their land stolen, that is the ultimate evil and must be dealt with. That is, with US weapons, money, and soon manpower.

No effing way I'm dying for Israel when they bring back the draft for the Iran war.

[mendozathejew]

Spare me the bullshit. Israel routinely rockets civilians and that is called 'fighting back' but when a few 1950s era antiques are launched from some pissed off guerrillas whose families had their land stolen, that is the ultimate evil and must be dealt with. That is, with US weapons, money, and soon manpower.

No effing way I'm dying for Israel when they bring back the draft for the Iran war.

how about you use actual facts. Israel responds to attacks. Currently the rockets being fired are from Gaza, which was left in a bold move for peace. thats the process over there. Israel makes concessions, gets rockets fired at civilians for the effort. same thing with lebanon.

ofcourse, if the Arabs had accepted the two state solution when it was first proposed in the late 30s, then offered in 47 by the UN with the Arabs getting the larger share, none of this would have been necessary.

and if they had let Israel exist in the next 19 years without 5 nations' armies constantly invading Israel when the west bank and gaza strip werent occupied, an occupation never would have happened. if the arabs were willing to agree to a two state solution after the war of 67, it wouldnt have been occupied either.

but the Arabs do not support the two state solution, and do nothing but attack civilians through terrorism (once it was obvious that multiple nations' armies couldnt erase the state). Most Israelis are jews that were kicked out of Arab countries, and had their land, homes, business stolen. but they accepted the two state solution, and moved on with life. and have been attacked ever since.

these are called facts

[datsyukian deek]

These have to be one of the most ignorant statements ever written.

Iran is the world's "most active state sponsor of terrorism". Whether his statements about hating this country are real or just rhetoric why should we wait around and see what he's going to do? We heard rumblings about Bin Laden wanting to attack America and rather than taking the guy out we waited to see if he was really going to do it. Look how well the wait & see tactic worked. Over 3000 people died as a result of not taking some form of preemptive action.

I do believe that America is the best country in the world. If I didn't I'd be packing my things and moving to another country which might be better. This country may not be perfect but I'd much rather live here than anywhere else. So does my cousin and the rest of the men and women in the military who are putting their lives on the line over in Iraq and elsewhere.

No, people with different views on life are not terrorists. If that were the case then you & I would be considered terrorists. But when you take your hatred of those who think differently and start blowing them, and yourself, up then you've crossed the line from an individual with a different opinion to a terrorist.

Do we have the means to conquer the world? No, nor should we be conquering the world. We have to stop playing the big protector to everyone. Our focus should be on protecting our country, our borders, our people.


Again, whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

Every thread involving the middle east always has the "Parking lot" or "Turn the glass to sand" comments. Thats a fucked way of looking at the world. You seem to recognize that people in America have different views on life yet the majority of the posters in this thread seem to lump all muslims together. Am I a muslim? Nope, im a godless heathen otherwise known as an atheist.

So Iran has a crazy leader and basically the religious right runs the country. Thats not that far off from our country. We have a nut case for a leader who wants to make every country into America's image and the vast majority of policy in this country is influenced by religion. They threaten to bomb opposing nations and we just bomb opposing nations.

Its an amazing mentality that some Americans share. America is the best! And everyone outside of the borders is a savage. Is President Towel head a bad guy? Sure but fuck not everything he says is a lie.

PS: If we actually focused on homeland security before 9/11, the chances of 19 towel heads hijacking planes in unison would have been slim to none. You can't have non-existent borders and allow any joe blow to cross them and expect to win the "War on terror".

I would say that its about time America starts worrying about ourselves instead of interfering in a region that has gone through 5000 years of continuous conflict.

[datsyukian deek]

how about you use actual facts. Israel responds to attacks. Currently the rockets being fired are from Gaza, which was left in a bold move for peace. thats the process over there. Israel makes concessions, gets rockets fired at civilians for the effort. same thing with lebanon.

ofcourse, if the Arabs had accepted the two state solution when it was first proposed in the late 30s, then offered in 47 by the UN with the Arabs getting the larger share, none of this would have been necessary.

and if they had let Israel exist in the next 19 years without 5 nations' armies constantly invading Israel when the west bank and gaza strip werent occupied, an occupation never would have happened. if the arabs were willing to agree to a two state solution after the war of 67, it wouldnt have been occupied either.

but the Arabs do not support the two state solution, and do nothing but attack civilians through terrorism (once it was obvious that multiple nations' armies couldnt erase the state). Most Israelis are jews that were kicked out of Arab countries, and had their land, homes, business stolen. but they accepted the two state solution, and moved on with life. and have been attacked ever since.

these are called facts


Can you at least agree that the current state of Israel was probably the worst place ever to move a displaced jewish population? Even today, I can't even think of a worst spot for a major jewish population in the middle east. Possibly Mecca...

[turdfrgsn]

im a godless heathen otherwise known as an atheist.

those who believe in nothing will fall for anything

[datsyukian deek]

those who believe in nothing will fall for anything

I would rather believe in "nothing" instead of an invisible man. Oh wait lets get into a slap fest over who's invisible man is better and what makes you even crazier for believing in a different invisible man then myself.

:action-sm

[turdfrgsn]

I would rather believe in "nothing" instead of an invisible man. Oh wait lets get into a slap fest over who's invisible man is better and what makes you even crazier for believing in a different invisible man then myself.

:action-sm

i personally couldn't give a fuck, but your dear friend amadamadinnerjacket has no problem nuking whoever doesn't believe in his invisible man, AND those who don't believe in any invisible man, which would include you, which makes it counterintuitive at best, and utterly ignorant at worst, to bleat and whine and moan about not allowing this piece of shit to visit ground zero, much less defending his anti-semitism like you're your own little moses on the enlightened mountaintop disparaging us pedestrian rednecks, blue collars and bigots for having the audacity to believe that our way of life is better

tell you what moses, part a history book once in your life and tell me, in 500 words or less, how "evolved" other parts of the world are and how they surpass the human achievement and philosophical progress of western civilization, which would include the country you're lucky enough to find yourself in right now

i won't hold my breath

[mascan42]

Mr. Kelly said the NYPD and Secret Service were in discussions with the Iranian Mission about the logistics for the possible visit and whether it would take place at all. He said Mr. Ahmadinejad would not be allowed to descend into the pit for safety reasons related to ongoing construction at the site.
I say let him in. Then let a stray brick "accidentally" cave his head in.

[mendozathejew]

Can you at least agree that the current state of Israel was probably the worst place ever to move a displaced jewish population? Even today, I can't even think of a worst spot for a major jewish population in the middle east. Possibly Mecca...

worst place ever? where they came from? where the islamic Temple Mounts wrests ontop of the Jews Ancient temple? arabs live in towns called Judea and Hebron. the two state solution is what most reasonable people think is right.

and thats what the arabs say they want now. but they had it from 48 to 67 and it wasnt enough then. not much has changed on their end since.

Youve got to realize, not all jews are europeans like the ones your used to seeing. Most of the zionists who went to Israel after it was formed were the jews from arab countries- mizrahi jews. close to a million of them were living in arab countries when they got the boot. and they were the vast majority of Israelis until a huge influx of russian jews balanced things out in recent years

[wackbagette]

he really is an utterly worthless fuck
worse than dinkins ever was
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http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MzQyNmU1ODM2NGViYTFkNjk4MTc2ZTg2ZWZjZWU0N2Q=
Iran [Seth Leibsohn]

The NYSUN is reporting " In a move that has stunned New York, the Bloomberg administration is in discussions to escort the Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, to Ground Zero during his visit to New York next week, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said today. The Iranian mission to the U.N. made the request to the New York City Police Department and the Secret Service, who will jointly oversee security during the president's two-day visit. Mr. Ahmadinejad is scheduled to arrive September 24 to speak to the U.N. General Assembly as the Security Council decides whether to increase sanctions against Iran for its uranium enrichment program."

How far we've come. Rudy Giuliani, when he was mayor, had Yasser Arafat escorted out of Lincoln Center, and was right to do so—he didn't consider ways to make Arafat's visit comfortable.

There is a debate of sorts as to whether the U.N. can legally deny a visa to a head of state such as Ahmadinejad. We denied Arafat a visa in 1988 under the fiction that he was not a head of state. But what about our states? Anyone remember 1983 and how two Governors, Tom Kean and Mario Cuomo, of New Jersey and New York handled their duties? They denied Soviet landing rights in their states as a result of the USSR shooting down KAL 007.

As the U.N. screamed over this lese majeste, threatening to deny the U.S. as home to the U.N., the late Ambassador Charles Lichenstein took it just fine, saying: "We will put no impediment in your way. The members of the U.S. mission to the United Nations will be down at the dockside waving you a fond farewell as you sail off into the sunset."

How I miss the days when city, state, and national leaders took terrorism as seriously as they used to.

09/19 04:11 PM

I dunno, I kinda think it's a GREAT idea. Let a bunch of NY cops and security people escort Ahmadinejad to Ground Zero. I'm SURE that there are plenty of New Yorkers that would have absolutely NO PROBLEM playing host to him. I'm SURE that the NY security guys won't have any problem letting him go wherever he'd like down there. Alone. Uninhibited by such pesky things as security or protection. I'm sure that as a sponsor of terrorism and a vigorous anti-Semite, the citizens of The Big Apple will give him the warm reception he so greatly deserves.

Seems like a good idea to me. Maybe Bloomy isn't such a bad egg after all ;)

[mendozathejew]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12370498/

U.S. forces seize Iranian officer in Iraq
Officer accused of smuggling bombs for elite Quds force

SULAIMANIYAH, Iraq - An Iranian officer accused of smuggling powerful roadside bombs into Iraq for the elite Quds force was arrested Thursday, the military said.

The suspect — a member of the Quds Force, an elite unit of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards — was detained in the Kurdish city of Sulaimaniyah, the military said.

He was allegedly involved in transporting roadside bombs, including armor-piercing explosively formed penetrators, or EFPs, into Iraq, according to a statement. It said intelligence reports also indicated he was involved in the infiltration and training of foreign fighters in Iraq...

[BIV]

They threaten to bomb opposing nations and we just bomb opposing nations.
Let me fix this for you, it should read:

They threaten to bomb opposing nations and hire terrorists to attack civilians and we just bomb legitimate military targets of opposing nations in a manner meant to minimize collateral damage, risking the lives of additional U.S. military personnel.

I don't know how you can't see the difference.

[datsyukian deek]

Let me fix this for you, it should read:



I don't know how you can't see the difference.


Precision bombings:

http://www.arlington.k12.va.us/schools/williamsburg/staff/tom_feeney/nagasaki.gif


:action-sm

[mendozathejew]

lol he thinks he made a point

[Vyce]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12370498/

U.S. forces seize Iranian officer in Iraq
Officer accused of smuggling bombs for elite Quds force

SULAIMANIYAH, Iraq - An Iranian officer accused of smuggling powerful roadside bombs into Iraq for the elite Quds force was arrested Thursday, the military said.

The suspect — a member of the Quds Force, an elite unit of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards — was detained in the Kurdish city of Sulaimaniyah, the military said.

He was allegedly involved in transporting roadside bombs, including armor-piercing explosively formed penetrators, or EFPs, into Iraq, according to a statement. It said intelligence reports also indicated he was involved in the infiltration and training of foreign fighters in Iraq...

Why bother, mendoza. Facts like this have no meaning to deek. He probably thinks that's all a justified reaction by Iran, who feels threatened by 200k American troops near their border.

[kloraferm]

Bloomberg was such a goddamn mistake (regardless of anyone's political affiliation).

[Vyce]

Bloomberg was such a goddamn mistake (regardless of anyone's political affiliation).

I would hope that's something all of us could agree on.

[pure_waves]

Spare me the bullshit. Israel routinely rockets civilians and that is called 'fighting back' but when a few 1950s era antiques are launched from some pissed off guerrillas whose families had their land stolen, that is the ultimate evil and must be dealt with. That is, with US weapons, money, and soon manpower.

No effing way I'm dying for Israel when they bring back the draft for the Iran war.

israel doesnt routinely rocket anyone, in fact the palestinians are the ones firing rockets over the border. what are you talking about?

try quoting some sources to back up your point, rather than saying over and over "you wont die for israel" and pretending to be trying to stop world war 3 in wackbag forums.