More savagism from the Saudis

[WaddleDoodle]

And yet I'm supposed to respect their 'culture'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7096814.stm


Saudi gang-**** victim is jailed
By Frances Harrison
BBC News

women crossing
Saudi women are subject to strict sex segregation laws
An appeal court in Saudi Arabia has doubled the number of lashes and added a jail sentence as punishment for a woman who was gang-*****.

The victim was initially punished for violating laws on segregation of the sexes - she was in an unrelated man's car at the time of the attack.

When she appealed, the judges said she had been attempting to use the media to influence them.

The attackers' sentences - originally of up to five years - were doubled.

Extra penalties

According to the Arab News newspaper, the 19-year-old woman, who is from Saudi Arabia's Shia minority, was gang-***** 14 times in an attack in the eastern province a year-and-a-half ago.

Seven men from the majority Sunni community were found guilty of the **** and sentenced to prison terms ranging from just under a year to five years.

But the victim was also punished for violating Saudi Arabia's laws on segregation that forbid unrelated men and women from associating with each other. She was initially sentenced to 90 lashes for being in the car of a strange man.

On appeal, the Arab News reported that the punishment was not reduced but increased to 200 lashes and a six-month prison sentence.

The rapists also had their prison terms doubled. But the sentences are still low considering they could have faced the death penalty.

The Arab News quoted an official as saying the judges had decided to punish the girl for trying to aggravate and influence the judiciary through the media.

The victim's lawyer was suspended from the case, has had his licence to work confiscated, and faces a disciplinary session.

Mods, you can merge with the original thread. It was locked, so I couldn't post in there. http://wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=62490&highlight=saudi+gang

[striker]

and the problem with their culture is? I see nothing wrong with what happened here, the rapists were punished and the victim was punished. Gee, I wonder what religion you are, can we discuss your transgressions from the norm of that religion?

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Gee, I wonder what religion you are, can we discuss your transgressions from the norm of that religion?

As a recovered Catholic, I can safety say they use the old ass **** to keep peons in line.

[WaddleDoodle]

Gee, I wonder what religion you are, can we discuss your transgressions from the norm of that religion?


Don't have one, unless you consider videogames a religion.

[striker]

Don't have one, unless you consider videogames a religion.

ah so your a racist heathen then?

[WaddleDoodle]

Pretty much. Not so much racist as anti-savagery. Punishing a gang **** victim seems a good indication of it.

[The Sarge]

I wonder where the Women's Rights bowel Movement is, while this is going on.:huh:

[Deadbent]

That should start teaching 'em not to show so much eyelid and ankle in public.

[tourettesguy]

Further proof that there really is no god.

P.S.- Is savagism even a word?

[chiapeteater]

P.S.- Is savagism even a word?


If it's not, then it should be from now on.

More from CNN......... http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/11/17/saudi.****.victim/index.html

[Your_Moms_Box]

I'd appreciate it if you guys would stop posting degrading stories about our allies.

Seriously, bad things only happen in Iran, China, and other countries we don't support.


Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Israel have NEVER, i repeat NEVER done anything that contradicts our beliefs.

[DonTheTrucker]

I wonder where the Women's Rights bowel Movement is, while this is going on.:huh:

I'm sure they're going after a comic that made a dirty c-word joke or trying to extort money from a company.

My belief has always been that we're not going be able to help these countries until the women stand up for their rights. When half of the population is just fucking property, that society is going to remain stuck in the 7th century.

[striker]

Isn't it amazing how cultures that our different from ours are "savages" and terrible places. Do you suppose the peope in those countries view America the same way? They would seek to change us and we would seek to change them. Personally, given the chance, I could see living in a middle eastern country. I have numerous friend who travel and work in Saudi, Dubai, Oman, etc., it's interesting how well percieved Americans are by most of the general public in those countries, especially Dubai. They love Americans and Canadians, welcome us with open arms. BTW, according to one of my friends, there is an Escort service in Dubai that employs over 2 dozen American women, several are former models in the American porn industry. An 8 that would cost $1,500 a night in NYC (f you lucky to get her) will cost you $400 to $500 in Dubai.


It's kinda like Norton's ignorant rant everytime someone want's to change Christmas. "I'll bet it's some Muslim group" that's his normal ignorant chant. The reality, 99% of the time it's some PC christian or atheist group that wants to make the change. Most Muslims don't give a damn about the holiday, they couldn't care. Here in Colo, there is a move to make the holiday display's more inclusive, they always claim to they want to include Jews, Hindu's, Buddhists, Muslims, Pagan's, etc. The reality, when you talk to leaders of these various groups they don't care about it being included.

If you compare people who immigrate here from other countries, every group except Mexicans, Central and South American's make an effort to assimilate into American society. But something I find interesting is that everytime there is a call for some middle eastern girl to not wear traditional clothing to school, no one comments on the Jew kid who wears his beanie to school. I notice that Muslim kids don't get special time off for Ramadan, yet we give the Jewish kids extra time off for their holidays. How fucked is that? Maybe we should start to rebel against the Jewish kids, make them conform? Oh wait, we can't do that, then we're anti-Jewish. That's right, anti-Jewish, not anti-semetic, there's a difference folks, a huge difference. In fact, if your anti-semetic, you hate Jews, Lebanese, Syrian, Iragi, Jordanian, Egyptian. Wow, it's more than one group, go figure.

[BIV]

Isn't it amazing how cultures that our different from ours are "savages" and terrible places. Do you suppose the peope in those countries view America the same way? They would seek to change us and we would seek to change them. Personally, given the chance, I could see living in a middle eastern country. I have numerous friend who travel and work in Saudi, Dubai, Oman, etc., it's interesting how well percieved Americans are by most of the general public in those countries, especially Dubai. They love Americans and Canadians, welcome us with open arms. BTW, according to one of my friends, there is an Escort service in Dubai that employs over 2 dozen American women, several are former models in the American porn industry. An 8 that would cost $1,500 a night in NYC (f you lucky to get her) will cost you $400 to $500 in Dubai.


It's kinda like Norton's ignorant rant everytime someone want's to change Christmas. "I'll bet it's some Muslim group" that's his normal ignorant chant. The reality, 99% of the time it's some PC christian or atheist group that wants to make the change. Most Muslims don't give a damn about the holiday, they couldn't care. Here in Colo, there is a move to make the holiday display's more inclusive, they always claim to they want to include Jews, Hindu's, Buddhists, Muslims, Pagan's, etc. The reality, when you talk to leaders of these various groups they don't care about it being included.

If you compare people who immigrate here from other countries, every group except Mexicans, Central and South American's make an effort to assimilate into American society. But something I find interesting is that everytime there is a call for some middle eastern girl to not wear traditional clothing to school, no one comments on the Jew kid who wears his beanie to school. I notice that Muslim kids don't get special time off for Ramadan, yet we give the Jewish kids extra time off for their holidays. How fucked is that? Maybe we should start to rebel against the Jewish kids, make them conform? Oh wait, we can't do that, then we're anti-Jewish. That's right, anti-Jewish, not anti-semetic, there's a difference folks, a huge difference. In fact, if your anti-semetic, you hate Jews, Lebanese, Syrian, Iragi, Jordanian, Egyptian. Wow, it's more than one group, go figure.

Ooooh, just die.

[WaddleDoodle]

I'm making a value judgment here. Freedom > oppression. Freedom to do what you want = increased opportunities to do what you want, which allows a people to develop.

When a judge not only punishes a gang **** victim, but increases her sentence with corporal punishment, I call that savage, and not having respect for the woman.


Personally, given the chance, I could see living in a middle eastern country.


I'm assuming your a man. I really can't see an independent woman wanting to live in the middle east, under sharia law.


If you compare people who immigrate here from other countries, every group except Mexicans, Central and South American's make an effort to assimilate into American society.

How did this get turned into a discussion of immigration? Or antisemitism?


I'm sick of the socio-cultural anthropologists telling me I need to NOT hold my culture up as a shining beacon, a city on the hill. It's broken in many ways, yes, but it's still better than being over there.

[Xyn]

In fact, if your anti-semetic, you hate Jews, Lebanese, Syrian, Iragi, Jordanian, Egyptian. Wow, it's more than one group, go figure.

Nice, my anti-semetism isn't affected at all!

[Treat_Yourself]

Isn't it amazing how cultures that our different from ours are "savages" and terrible places. Do you suppose the peope in those countries view America the same way? They would seek to change us and we would seek to change them. Personally, given the chance, I could see living in a middle eastern country. I have numerous friend who travel and work in Saudi, Dubai, Oman, etc., it's interesting how well percieved Americans are by most of the general public in those countries, especially Dubai. They love Americans and Canadians, welcome us with open arms. BTW, according to one of my friends, there is an Escort service in Dubai that employs over 2 dozen American women, several are former models in the American porn industry. An 8 that would cost $1,500 a night in NYC (f you lucky to get her) will cost you $400 to $500 in Dubai.


It's kinda like Norton's ignorant rant everytime someone want's to change Christmas. "I'll bet it's some Muslim group" that's his normal ignorant chant. The reality, 99% of the time it's some PC christian or atheist group that wants to make the change. Most Muslims don't give a damn about the holiday, they couldn't care. Here in Colo, there is a move to make the holiday display's more inclusive, they always claim to they want to include Jews, Hindu's, Buddhists, Muslims, Pagan's, etc. The reality, when you talk to leaders of these various groups they don't care about it being included.

If you compare people who immigrate here from other countries, every group except Mexicans, Central and South American's make an effort to assimilate into American society. But something I find interesting is that everytime there is a call for some middle eastern girl to not wear traditional clothing to school, no one comments on the Jew kid who wears his beanie to school. I notice that Muslim kids don't get special time off for Ramadan, yet we give the Jewish kids extra time off for their holidays. How fucked is that? Maybe we should start to rebel against the Jewish kids, make them conform? Oh wait, we can't do that, then we're anti-Jewish. That's right, anti-Jewish, not anti-semetic, there's a difference folks, a huge difference. In fact, if your anti-semetic, you hate Jews, Lebanese, Syrian, Iragi, Jordanian, Egyptian. Wow, it's more than one group, go figure.

So they're not savages for tolerating the **** of children and women and then treating the victim like a criminal? They're not savages (particularly in Saudi Arabia) for denying people the right to free speech and freedom of religion? Theyr'e not savages for taking away Pakistani, Indonesian and Philipino guest worker's passports and keeping them as slaves, hungry and unpayed for years at a time in Dubai and Saudi?

The cultures you're defending are savage and primitive and your sympathy with them reveals you to be just as barbaric and savage.

[stevethrower]

--- Follow-up ---



Saudi **** victim 'pardoned from lashes

SAUDI Arabia's King Abdullah has pardoned a teenage girl sentenced to six months in jail and 200 lashes after being gang *****, Al Jazirah newspaper reported today.

The ruling against the 19-year-old girl in the ultra-conservative Muslim kingdom had attracted widespread international condemnation, including from human rights groups, the White House and NEWS.com.au readers.

The Arabic language daily said it had been informed of the royal pardon from its own unidentified sources.

But in the same article, the kingdom's Justice Minister Abdullah bin Mohammad bin Ibrahim al-Sheikh told the paper the King had the "right to overrule court judgements if he considered it benefiting the greater good."

The girl, who was 18 at the time she was *****, was attacked at knifepoint by seven men after she was found in a car with a male companion who was not a relative, in breach of strict Saudi law.

Her identity has not been revealed but she has become known as "Qatif girl," after the Shiite-populated area of Al-Qatif in the Eastern Province from which she comes.

In October 2006, a judge sentenced her to 90 lashes for being with the man - a taboo in the conservative Muslim kingdom which imposes segregation of the sexes.

She appealed against the sentence but despite her ordeal the court ruled that her punishment should be increased to 200 lashes and a six-month jail term.

The judges decided to punish the woman further for "her attempt to aggravate and influence the judiciary through the media," a court source told the English-language daily Arab News.

The rapists were initially sentenced to one to five years in jail, but those terms were also toughened in November to between two and nine years.

A **** conviction carries the death penalty in Saudi Arabia, but the court did not impose it due to the "lack of witnesses" and the "absence of confessions," the justice ministry said last month.

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22939503-5001028,00.html

Religion of peace....:icon_eek:

[SuperGolfer]

Further proof that there really is no god.

P.S.- Is savagism even a word?

I think the proper word is "savagery."

[Treat_Yourself]

and the problem with their culture is? I see nothing wrong with what happened here, the rapists were punished and the victim was punished. Gee, I wonder what religion you are, can we discuss your transgressions from the norm of that religion?

You see nothing wrong with punishing the victim of a crime? Come on now. You're just posting idiotic and inflamatory shit to get a rise out of people, right?

[SurlyTruckDrivr]

But the victim was also punished for violating Saudi Arabia's laws on segregation that forbid unrelated men and women from associating with each otherSo if it's illegal to associate with a non relative of the opposite sex, but you have to be married to talk to someone of the oppesite sex, how the Fuck does anyone get together without breaking any laws? "whaa"

[nikoloslvy]

Isn't it amazing how cultures that our different from ours are "savages" and terrible places.

you say this as if we are a sheltered group of people who aren't frightened by the amount of violence against men women and children in other cultures but merely racists who are scared of any one different then ourselves.you do this while ignoring theses acts perpetrated on their society as policy.were not just talking about a bunch of guys who ***** a women were talking about a country that has within its by laws(due to its religion and culture) punishment for the victims of violent crimes.

you do this while ignoring something called an honor killing were the dad will slit his own daughters throat after she is ***** because she is now impure.what would do that to a father? you're unwillingness to at least admit that these kinds of acts are wrong makes me question whether you know what right and wrong is, or whether you care.are you so depraved sir? are you protecting some kind of political party,race,religion, that you feel any criticism of islam and its culture must be questioned for its raciest implications? we are not sheltered.you will not get away with hiding what goes on over there. we have the internet now a days.this is happening and it is wrong.


Do you suppose the peope in those countries view America the same way? They would seek to change us and we would seek to change them.

simply because their society disagrees with ours doesn't make them right.there is right and there is wrong.its not subjective and simply because it sounds arrogant to some that we can actually make choices,( that are better then other "humane beings" choices) as to what right and wrong is, doesn't mean we cant and wont.just because there is an opposing view doesn't make that point relevant.comparing our hatred for bullies,violence, totalitarianism,slavery,**** lashing of **** victims, to the hatred of freedom and the west as somehow the same thing is incredulous simply because of what each side stands for.

we have no need to change anyone.i want to get rid of bullying governments made up of the likes of the taliban and the saudie government .were shocked that you're not shocked at what goes on over there.we may claim to be used to it.we may claim that we've watched 2 girls and 1 cup and were now officially dead inside but shit does affect us on some level.this story is so shocking and beyond the norm.why for the love of fuck is the victim being punished? we can handle the beheading videos the i.e.d. videos.its not the lashes that gets to us.its that this is policy, and it makes some of us wounder whether nukes should be are only resort when dealing with this kind of savagery that is accepted as the norm.

it is not the same as us trying to change them.all i want from them is for them to have the freedom to choose.how is freedom to choose changing anything? what has changed? will they not be shot if they decide not to live under shira law?does that change the man who has left islam or the guy who wants to kill him for it? is that a change? will more people flee islam once freedom comes? does it matter? is that change? are you really a muslim if when given the choice you leave? have you changed? oh wait according to shira as taught by the prophet mohshitmed in the koran and the hadith you must be put to death.yes THAT will change.nothing will change except the gun towards peoples heads will be removed.if thats change then yes we want to change them.you're cries which i no doubt will now have to bear of "they like it this way" is a misunderstanding of the humane condition and what it strives for.but then again you are an islamo apologist and could care less about right and wrong,life and death,perpetrator and victim,freedom and slavery,none of this matters.what are you? go back to youre cave.youre not fit to dwell amongst us.

we wouldn't even care if they could just stick to killing their own but they cant.

now if they tried to change us that would mean killing all who do not bow to islam.how is this comparabil?




Personally, given the chance, I could see living in a middle eastern country.
why havent you? go.enjoy.....of course youre lying.

I have numerous friend who travel and work in Saudi, Dubai, Oman, etc.,lying again.


it's interesting how well percieved Americans are by most of the general public in those countries, especially Dubai. They love Americans and Canadians, welcome us with open arms. BTW, according to one of my friends, there is an Escort service in Dubai that employs over 2 dozen American women, several are former models in the American porn industry. An 8 that would cost $1,500 a night in NYC (f you lucky to get her) will cost you $400 to $500 in Dubai.

how does this change the Saudi **** case story?im supposed to believe that everyone loves us in the saudi kingdom? dubai maybe so what if they do? youre assuming again that our anger is based out of some misunderstanding of their culture.we understand it completely and are disgusted.youre lame attempt to make them into joe shmoe with just a different culture is blasphemy to anyone whos ever been to the middle east and is far far from the point.**** victim may face violent punishment is the point.


It's kinda like Norton's ignorant rant everytime someone want's to change Christmas. "I'll bet it's some Muslim group" that's his normal ignorant chant. The reality, 99% of the time it's some PC christian or atheist group that wants to make the change. Most Muslims don't give a damn about the holiday, they couldn't care. Here in Colo, there is a move to make the holiday display's more inclusive, they always claim to they want to include Jews, Hindu's, Buddhists, Muslims, Pagan's, etc. The reality, when you talk to leaders of these various groups they don't care about it being included.

right because the group c.a.i.r hasn't tried to shut down and sue anyone who dares speak out against their religion.because islam is an all excepting religion that has been hijacked by the crazies right? how can he be ignorant on a subject when he is taking a guess on an issue? to be ignorant would imply that he doesn't know his subject.he does.

id love to know where you get you're numbers from.how do you calculate 99% or did that number just sound good.it was the closest you could get to 100% without having to be proved wrong? if i showed you an instance of were an islamist group tried to slam Christmas would that be part of that 1%? where did you grab this number from? is it a phrase? a saying?

how dare you call jim norton ignorant.i dare you to call the opie and anthony show and tell him that and why you think so.


If you compare people who immigrate here from other countries, every group except Mexicans, Central and South American's make an effort to assimilate into American society. But something I find interesting is that everytime there is a call for some middle eastern girl to not wear traditional clothing to school, no one comments on the Jew kid who wears his beanie to school. I notice that Muslim kids don't get special time off for Ramadan, yet we give the Jewish kids extra time off for their holidays. How fucked is that? Maybe we should start to rebel against the Jewish kids, make them conform? Oh wait, we can't do that, then we're anti-Jewish. That's right, anti-Jewish, not anti-semetic, there's a difference folks, a huge difference. In fact, if your anti-semetic, you hate Jews, Lebanese, Syrian, Iragi, Jordanian, Egyptian. Wow, it's more than one group, go figure.

you know what youre right.the saudi government should have lashed the girl.who am i to say its wrong.who is anyone.

more gobledeegook.really you find muslims assimilating do ya? like the ones in patterson n.j. who danced on 911? like c.a.i.r. who doesnt understand what freedom of speech is?

as far as the jews-their not trying to kill us.their religion doesn't command them and their children to kill all who are not jews unless we all agree to lash **** victi......why bother.

[Capt.Caveman]

I think they are all pieces of shit. if you defend these animals your a cunt looking for attention. Maybe daddy should have thrown the ball with you a lil more. or maybe just not dumped a load in your whore mother and left. just speculation though. muslims are pieces of shit end of story

[Capt.Caveman]

and the problem with their culture is? I see nothing wrong with what happened here, the rapists were punished and the victim was punished. Gee, I wonder what religion you are, can we discuss your transgressions from the norm of that religion?

HEY LOOK AT ME EVERYONE!!!!!!!! Some one please pay attention to me like my daddy didn't.......Don't taze me bro

[weakside]

I consider myself to be very open-minded and really try to not be ethnocentric. But whether it is because of religion, apathy for change, or whatever, the Middle East active practices and promotes discrimination against women and thus deserves the disdain it receives from the rest of the world regarding its record regarding human rights.

[Butter Nuggets]

I consider myself to be very open-minded and really try to not be ethnocentric. But whether it is because of religion, apathy for change, or whatever, the Middle East active practices and promotes discrimination against women and thus deserves the disdain it receives from the rest of the world regarding its record regarding human rights.

Maybe I misunderstand your implication, but an open-minded person would see the most inferior of cultures as the civil, moral, and creative black holes that they are faster and far more clearly than a closed-minded person would.

[DeltaPin]

So if it's illegal to associate with a non relative of the opposite sex, but you have to be married to talk to someone of the oppesite sex, how the Fuck does anyone get together without breaking any laws? "whaa"

Arranged marriages

[weakside]

Maybe I misunderstand your implication, but an open-minded person would see the most inferior of cultures as the civil, moral, and creative black holes that they are faster and far more clearly than a closed-minded person would.

Well, an open-minded person would not label a culture as being inferior as that is an opinion, not fact. But that really doesn’t have anything to do with the point of my post...

My point was that even if you accept the fact that the differences between cultures are simply just that and not necessarily shortcomings, you can’t dismiss how women are treated in the Middle East by simply saying its part of their religion and cultural practices.

The fact is women do not enjoy the same rights and privileges as men do. Even more than that, they are often treated second-class citizens. That is discrimination no matter what pretty wrapping people try to cover it in, and discriminating based on anything other than ones character is wrong.

[Treat_Yourself]

Well, an open-minded person would not label a culture as being inferior as that is an opinion, not fact. But that really doesn’t have anything to do with the point of my post...

My point was that even if you accept the fact that the differences between cultures are simply just that and not necessarily shortcomings, you can’t dismiss how women are treated in the Middle East by simply saying its part of their religion and cultural practices.

The fact is women do not enjoy the same rights and privileges as men do. Even more than that, they are often treated second-class citizens. That is discrimination no matter what pretty wrapping people try to cover it in, and discriminating based on anything other than ones character is wrong.
One cannot simply say that one culture is inferior to another. You're right. One can say that one culture is inferior to another in terms of technological advancement, human rights, economics, military power, and rule of law. In all those areas Western cultures are far superior to Islamic cultures.

[nikoloslvy]

ahhh good ol child abuse.
http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=3e442046-5411-4daa-b2f9-c11fcc259ce8
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7817814238626097977&q=child+terror&total=2804&start=0&num=30&so=0&type=search&plindex=9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1yN171630Q&feature=PlayList&p=EEDC1E1C07111326&index=2

[Capt.Caveman]

ahhh good ol child abuse.
http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=3e442046-5411-4daa-b2f9-c11fcc259ce8
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7817814238626097977&q=child+terror&total=2804&start=0&num=30&so=0&type=search&plindex=9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1yN171630Q&feature=PlayList&p=EEDC1E1C07111326&index=2

i'm with you niko....they all should die.

[Butter Nuggets]

Well, an open-minded person would not label a culture as being inferior as that is an opinion, not fact. But that really doesn’t have anything to do with the point of my post...

I guess I am just being a nit-picky douche, but I think open-mindedness or the lack of it is in the formation of the opinion not the conclusion. Not coming to a conclusion is not open-mindedness it is dithering.

My point was that even if you accept the fact that the differences between cultures are simply just that and not necessarily shortcomings, you can’t dismiss how women are treated in the Middle East by simply saying its part of their religion and cultural practices.

I think you're contradicting yourself. If someone does think differences are just differences and one is not inferior to another they can easily dismiss treatment of women or any barbarism for that very reason and often do.

[weakside]

I think you're contradicting yourself. If someone does think differences are just differences and one is not inferior to another they can easily dismiss treatment of women or any barbarism for that very reason and often do.

No, I don't believe I am contradicting myself at all. I do however think you are seeing this issue as being "all or nothing" and thus missing the point. Let me explain it this way: If you think you are better than another culture because they dress in different clothes or eat different foods than your culture does, then your most likely an ass. But when that other culture thinks it's ok to treat women like garbage because their pretend God told them that it was all right, then that goes beyond cultural differences and is in actuality a human rights issue.

It’s a lot like religion and medical care. I pretty much think all religion is wacky but I respect the fact that everyone can believe what goofy thing they want to. But the second you deny your child medical care because you believe praying to your God will cure their illness, then that is not ok. The child’s welfare supercedes your religious beliefs.

[DC Chick]

There is only 1 indoor ice rink in Saudi Arabia, but half the population isn't permittied to use it (men only). The Saudi Arabia visited by a wealthy American man is a very different country for a woman like the one in the news.

Also, schools aren't closed as courtesy to the Jews, it's because a large number of faculty and/or students would be absent, and you need teachers and a certain amount of students to make the day count as per state guidelines. In many parts of this country schools aren't closed for any religious holidays besides Christmas and Good Friday.

[nikoloslvy]

There is only 1 indoor ice rink in Saudi Arabia, but half the population isn't permittied to use it (men only). The Saudi Arabia visited by a wealthy American man is a very different country for a woman like the one in the news.

Also, schools aren't closed as courtesy to the Jews, it's because a large number of faculty and/or students would be absent, and you need teachers and a certain amount of students to make the day count as per state guidelines. In many parts of this country schools aren't closed for any religious holidays besides Christmas and Good Friday.
what are you talking about?

[nikoloslvy]

i must have missed something.

[Vyce]

One cannot simply say that one culture is inferior to another. You're right.

No. She's wrong. And so are you, if you believe this. This relativism bullshit annoys the piss out of me.

As a nation, America can do fucked up things from time to time.

By and large though? We are superior to just about every Middle Eastern country on practically every level.

And that's not silly jingoism on my part, I'm not doing a rah rah cheer for the ol U.S. of A. We are superior to them, be it with regards to our technology, sure, or our style of government, but more importantly, we're vastly superior to them on a moral level. This is largely due to the fact that most of the Middle East is in the thrall of that fucking death cult of a religion of theirs.

[weakside]

Holy shit, we all agree that human rights, especially in regards to those pertaining to women, are absolute shit in the Middle East. Can we all stop getting hung up on semantics?

On a side note Vyce, your Robert Reed cat picture is fucking hilarious.