bought st. anger today

[bahts]

ive listened to it once all the way through. my thoughts are the songs are heavy. not master of puppets heavy, but still heavy. the production on this cd is absolutely horrible, it sounds like lars is playing a set of trash cans. other than that i think it is a pretty good cd

[tattered]

yeah but everyone said load and reload were overproduced and now they cut it back and people bitch make up your mind

[bahts]

Originally posted by tattered666
yeah but everyone said load and reload were overproduced and now they cut it back and people bitch make up your mind

over production was the least of the problems with load and reload

[NJHC4life]

bought st. anger today

Why??? The new Lincoln Park album, oh, I mean Metallica? Fuck them they should die!! "The next album is gonna be heavy like old" MY ASS!!! FUCK YOU AND DIE!!!

[Sblueman Radio]

You actually put money down for a Metallica album???

Does anyone remember Lars heading the movement to fuck fans over?

I say to hell with them, they can go assfuck themselves.

[bahts]

i put this thread here for people who atcually like metallica and have the album...if i wanted these replies i would have titled the thread "useless posts from assholes"

get fucked.

[ih8Uboo-boo]

who cares... either you like the album and the band or you don't.

The most disappointing thing about the album is that the boys couldn't lock the door and have their OWN world premier party in the studio...

... A month and a half ago :cdude:

[NJHC4life]

Originally posted by bahts
i put this thread here for people who atcually like metallica and have the album...if i wanted these replies i would have titled the thread "useless posts from assholes"

get fucked.

Oh, I see...you are one of those people whose opinion is all that matters. And as for the negative replies...this is a message board, for ALL opinions to post! My attack was on Metallica, not you...chill out and grow up

[bahts]

Originally posted by NJHC4life
Oh, I see...you are one of those people whose opinion is all that matters. And as for the negative replies...this is a message board, for ALL opinions to post! My attack was on Metallica, not you...chill out and grow up


no i am not one of "those" people. maybe you should listen to the album before you bash it. and if you have, you cant honestly say it sounds like lincoln park, gimme a break. you got to at least give them credit for trying to go back to heavy music. after the whole load/reload disaster this album is actually pretty good. ofcourse its not old metallica, but hey ill take what i can get. you got to remember there not broke 25 year olds anymore.

[NJHC4life]

I've heard the album...granted it's better than load/reload...it is still shit!!! My biggest problem is they have been promising hard shit for every new album since the Black album....never happened. And yes it does sound like Linkin Park....take that fuckin microphone outta new guys hand....My interpretation of the new shit is some hard riffs, pussy vocals, bad production, and trendy backup vocals

[bahts]

well i disagree. im just very disappointed in metal lately and i think the album is better than 80% of crap thats out there today

[ih8Uboo-boo]

Your both right...

Metal today does suck, and the album while overwhelmingly mediocre is probably better than most "metal" albums...


Now give each other a tussle and make up...

[NJHC4life]

Originally posted by bahts
well i disagree. im just very disappointed in metal lately and i think the album is better than 80% of crap thats out there today

"metal" all depends on how you look at it anymore...anything good you will not hear on the radio or mtv! I think there are alot of good metal bands out there right now, and to be honest, metal is almost dead...it is more hardcore/rapcore anymore. And in my opinion, to still consider Metallica metal is a joke! Don't get me wrong, I LOVE "OLD" Metallica as much as the next. As far as true metal is concerned, I think Machine Head is a great "metal" band(just to name one).

TUSSLE TUSSLE ;)

[Silent Game]

whoa...you guys are totally trippin' out on this one.....No good metal out there??????...you're kidding right???Don't go flippin' through radio stations to find metal,because it isn't there.....If your preference leans more toward a softer,melodic brand of metal,I guess you are kind of limited in that dept.......but there's TONS of slammin stuff out there....it's just all underground

[bahts]

Originally posted by Silent Game
whoa...you guys are totally trippin' out on this one.....No good metal out there??????...you're kidding right???Don't go flippin' through radio stations to find metal,because it isn't there.....If your preference leans more toward a softer,melodic brand of metal,I guess you are kind of limited in that dept.......but there's TONS of slammin stuff out there....it's just all underground

trust me....i listen to alot of underground shit, i just completely agree with NJHC, metal is dying. when pantera breaks up you know theres problems

[tattered]

pantera only broke up because phil is more focused on all his other bands then the band that made him famous and no one would give a rats ass about down or superjoint ritual etc etc if it wasnt for him being in pantera. Phil is my hero but he forgot where he came from

[bahts]

Originally posted by tattered666
pantera only broke up because phil is more focused on all his other bands then the band that made him famous and no one would give a rats ass about down or superjoint ritual etc etc if it wasnt for him being in pantera. Phil is my hero but he forgot where he came from

yup. im very disapointed in phil through this whole thing. by the way superjoint ritual is actually very good, no pantera, but good

[fhore twentee]

Metal will never never NEVER die.

It will outlast Pantera...it will outlast Metallica.

Metal is a genre like rap, country, pop, and polka.

I don't ever wanna hear/read from some self proclaimed metal fan that "metal is dying."

shame on you.

\m/ ^__^ \m/ METAL!!!!!!!!!!!!

And the new Metallica IS heavy but it isn't like the old Metallica heavy...and it shouldn't be. If you want to hear Master of Puppet sheavy then...put on Master of Puppets!

It's heavier than Load & Reload and that's all that matters to me.

and another thing:


tattered666 said: yeah but everyone said load and reload were overproduced and now they cut it back and people bitch make up your mind


word up. excellent point.

[tattered]

Originally posted by bahts
yup. im very disapointed in phil through this whole thing. by the way superjoint ritual is actually very good, no pantera, but good

believe me i know i own every cd phils side projects ever put out but the fact remains that I and everyone else except for a few people prolly would give 2 shits about any of his bands if it werent for pantera

[tattered]

Originally posted by fhore twentee
And the new Metallica IS heavy but it isn't like the old Metallica heavy...and it shouldn't be. If you want to hear Master of Puppet sheavy then...put on Master of Puppets!

It's heavier than Load & Reload and that's all that matters to me.



that is the single most intelligent thing i have read in this thread.....all you people want them to be like master and ride the lighting. you fail to relise this isnt the same band it was then. bands change bands evolve. The Black album was nothing like and justice for all which is nothing like master of puppets which is nothing like ride the lighting which is nothing like kill em all. get my point? This metallica in its own right is fuckin awesome. you people need to stop comparing them to what they were like 20 years ago. every metallica album is like metallica being reborn over and over. would you want pantera to sound like their glam metal days or was when they started to go heavy with cowboys from hell what you wanted and every album after that was different in its own right....be more open minded people

[Silent Game]

I won't call St. Anger garbage....and I wont call it a masterpiece....but I will say that the tuning on the drums ruined any shot this album had at being "great"....the banging on a can sounding snare makes me cringe everytime I hear it....maybe on the next album James and Kirk can record with thier guitars out of tune to achive a new 'tallica sound..lol....I give em props for heavyin' it up though.

[tattered]

if you listen to the whole album the snare doesnt sound like a can on every song its sound changes from song to song

[100 Grand]

Metal is a genre like rap, country, pop, and polka.

See any "new" polka albums lately?:rolleyes:

If you did, I'm sure it sounded better than St. Anger!:D

[fhore twentee]

Originally posted by 100 Grand
See any "new" polka albums lately?:rolleyes:

If you did, I'm sure it sounded better than St. Anger!:D

What's your point again? :confused:


My point is that metal/heavy music will never die. Despite any new releases or appearances on the Billboard 100, Polka is a traditonal form of music and continues to "exist"; same is applicable to classical music as well. They span the ages, each withstanding the test of time.

The same applies to metal/heavy music.
at least, IMO. :cool:

[Butternuts]

Metalica is still a great band, but van hagar good. Please read my take on Metallica on my websites "Metalica" page.http://metaltuner.tripod.com

[Ballbuster1]

I don't think this album deserved all the hype.
Metalica could have done better.
"Of course, that's just my opinion,
I could be wrong."

[bahts]

Originally posted by Ballbuster1
I don't think this album deserved all the hype.
Metalica could have done better.
"Of course, that's just my opinion,
I could be wrong."

this is true in ways. but honestly did u really expect them to come out with another master of puppets? if you're basing it on that then, yes they could have done better. but after load/reaload it is better.

[Ballbuster1]

Originally posted by bahts
this is true in ways. but honestly did u really expect them to come out with another master of puppets? if you're basing it on that then, yes they could have done better. but after load/reaload it is better.
My problem is with all the hype. They made it sound like
this was the "ultimate" Metallica album. Philly radio really
played it up so I was disappointed with what I heard.

[100 Grand]

Originally posted by fhore twentee
What's your point again? :confused:


My point is that metal/heavy music will never die. Despite any new releases or appearances on the Billboard 100, Polka is a traditonal form of music and continues to "exist"; same is applicable to classical music as well. They span the ages, each withstanding the test of time.

The same applies to metal/heavy music.
at least, IMO. :cool:


Sorry...must have forgotten my sarcasm tags...:rolleyes:

[fhore twentee]

Originally posted by 100 Grand
Sorry...must have forgotten my sarcasm tags...:rolleyes:

whoa - wha happened?

we get off to a bad start here?

;)

I heard the sarcasm but I was just trying to make a point, dat's all...no harm, no foul...


Now, I've noticed that those who are most disappointed with St. Anger are the ones who went with all the hype at first - hope you learned a lesson there.

NEVER LISTEN TO THE HYPE! NEVER. :pp:

just judge it with your own two ears and mind.

I gotta agree with bahts though - well said

"did u really expect them to come out with another master of puppets? if you're basing it on that then, yes they could have done better. but after load/reaload it is better."

[ravin]

you want new good metal ?

check out :
hopesfall

[ih8Uboo-boo]

I found this article about the album...

Granted, it is from MTV but it is still interesting


from mtv.com

No other contemporary chart-topping rock album sounds remotely like Metallica's St. Anger. Never mind the whirlwind tempos, multiple rhythm changes and seven-minute songs. What's really unusual are the lo-fi tones and unconventional constructions.

The drums don't crack, they clang, and cymbals cut out abruptly. There are no guitar solos. Once in a while a guitar lick lags behind the beat, and frontman James Hetfield's vocals occasionally veer off key.

Stranger still, that's exactly the way Metallica and producer Bob Rock wanted it to sound.

"I wanted to do something to shake up radio and the way everything else sounds," said Rock, who helped write the music and lyrics and played basslines on the album. "To me, this album sounds like four guys in a garage getting together and writing rock songs, and that's just how we wanted it to sound."

The genesis of Metallica's raw new sound had as much to do with art as with anger. Shortly after Metallica hired Rock —, who had worked on their last three studio records, including the pristine, polished Metallica (a.k.a. "the black album") — the producer told drummer Lars Ulrich that he was tired of clean, by-the-book production. He proposed recording in a way that made a statement like some of Ulrich's favorite artists, including Dutch primitivism painter Karel Appel, the Danish experimentalists CoBrA and various groundbreaking jazz musicians. From word one, Lars was on board.

Metallica achieved the primitive sound and schizophrenic vibe of St. Anger by combining old recording technology with cutting-edge editing software. While Rock had previously rigged Lars' kit with multiple modern microphones and dampened the bass drum with pillows, spending as much as a week perfecting a snare sound, this time Rock spent five minutes setting up the drums and recorded the rest of the band with a combination of cheap PA mics and vintage microphones.

With the bare-bones recording equipment in place, Metallica started coming up with riffs together and rocked them out like a group of friends hooking up just to jam. Once they'd concocted rhythms they liked, they'd combine them and record long jam sessions. Lyrics were written by the entire band moments before a song was recorded, and Hetfield's vocals were recorded in one or two takes to capture the immediacy of the moment, glitches and all.

"There was really no time to get amazing performances out of James," Rock said. "We liked the raw performances. And we didn't do what everyone does and what I've been guilty of for a long time, which is tuning vocals. We just did it, boom, and that was it."

After the basic recordings were done, Metallica tried to add guitar solos. Kirk Hammett recorded a bunch of leads ranging from slow and evocative to lightning-fast and aggressive, but Rock and the band ultimately decided to leave them all out.

"We made a promise to ourselves that we'd only keep stuff that had integrity," Rock said. "We didn't want to make a theatrical statement by adding overdubs. If we added something and it helped the mood or what we were trying to convey, that stayed. But if it distracted from that ... then we killed it. Every time we tried to do a solo, either it dated it slightly or took away from what we were trying to accomplish in some other way. I think we wanted all the aggression to come from the band rather than one player."

Once the band packed up its gear, it was time to unpack the computers. They used the computer program ProTools to reconstruct the songs in sometimes drastically different ways.

"A lot of the songs were done in William Burroughs cut-and-paste fashion," said Rock, referring to a style in which a piece of writing is cut into pieces and reassembled at random. "There are movements in moviemaking and in music where you take technology as an art and you actually abuse it. Some people use ProTools to trick and fool the listener, but we used it more as a creative tool to do something interesting and stretch boundaries.

"Technically, you'll hear cymbals go away and you'll hear bad edits. We wanted to disregard what everybody assumes records should be and throw out all the rules. I've spent 25 years learning how to do it the so-called right way. I didn't want to do that anymore."