Honda or Toyota?

[sued]

Hi all- Im still shopping for a new car. Ive got it whittled down to the Honda Pilot or Odessey or the Toyota Sienna or Highlander. Im really hating the idea of a minivan but I think with carpooling the kids it makes sense. Does anyone have any strong opinions on any of these models? I have a Pilot now and like it.. It drives like a car which is nice. The downside is it barely fits up my driveway so Id prefer not to get another one. They are all in the same price range more or less. I want the DVD and nav systems so I know Im adding a bit to the price.

As always, any help would be appreciated.

[Voss's Tumor]

Be a man and get a gas-guzzling domestic SUV. Chevy Tahoe, Ford Expedition, etc.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

You can get an AWD version of the Sienna, but don't get a factory navigation system, you can get a better, cheaper one that will fit in the double bin (factory radio spot.)

[mik3]

Guy I used to ride share with had an 06 Highlander, I really liked it. AWD, drove well, felt much bigger inside than it looked outside. Decent mileage for a 6cyl.

[DonTheTrucker]

Either one will be a decent choice.

[WMB]

I have an 06 Odyssey and it's awesome if you have kids. I test drove the Toyota too and honestly I thought they were neck and neck for features and comfort. My decision came down to the price. The Toyota dealers around here weren't willing to give me a good price on my trade. I did a lot of research on www.edmunds.com in their forum section.

Get the NAVI. We couldn't afford it at the time and later I got an Acura TSX which has basically the same navi system. It fucking rocks.

[Chino Kapone]

Im a honda man. I have the ridgline which was designed on the same frome as the pilot. Well built machine. the mother fucker is a tank! I vote Honda

[alclark]

Either one willl last you 200,000+ miles easily if you keep up on the maintenance.

[wetandstickyjim]

I know you asked Honda or Toyotta but I'm putting in my vote for the Dodge Caravan with fold and go seats and auto doors. We wanted an Odyssy but they wouldn't budge on price. We got a great deal on the, excuse me, Grand Caravan, and I don't like it, I LOVE IT! Had it for three years on lease. The new model looks great and we're upgrading this month. No mechanical problems with it and it's a champ and nice to drive and plenty of room. I wouldn't touch any other domestic model these days except for Chrysler mainly becaue of their affiliation with Mercedes.

Whatever. I hope you end up happy with your decision. Good luck, Fella!

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Toyota, choice of terrorist around the world. :icon_mrgr

[Got One?]

first choice for my next truck is toyota by far.

[DonTheTrucker]

I wouldn't touch any other domestic model these days except for Chrysler mainly becaue of their affiliation with Mercedes.

Most American cars made in the past 10 years are mechanically sound, but for some reason they can't get the drivability and road manners that the Asian car makers can. Even Hyundai/Kia makes decent cars now, most of them built in America.

[BCH]

Be a man and get a gas-guzzling domestic SUV. Chevy Tahoe, Ford Expedition, etc.

She's a girl silly.

I have an 06 Odyssey and it's awesome if you have kids. I test drove the Toyota too and honestly I thought they were neck and neck for features and comfort. My decision came down to the price. The Toyota dealers around here weren't willing to give me a good price on my trade. I did a lot of research on www.edmunds.com in their forum section.

Get the NAVI. We couldn't afford it at the time and later I got an Acura TSX which has basically the same navi system. It fucking rocks.

If you have kids to tote, The Honda Odyssey is the best vehicle there has ever been. We have an '02 with 80,000 miles and it's as solid as day 1. Everything still works perfectly, the thing gets better than 23 MPG on the highway and sports a 240Hp V-TEC motor that really helps it get up and go. Honda is the company that figured out how to make a family van and all the other companies have been playing catch up. If you have more than 2 kids to drive around don't get an SUV. My wife really wanted a Van and I was trying to convince her otherwise, having been on trips with the family in this thing, you'd be crazy to try to stuff everything in an SUV. We go on vacation sometimes for 10 days to N.C. and drive. I fit everything we need in the back 3 kids and all, No cargo carrier bullshit on the roof.

[Sinn Fein]

You can't go wrong with either Toyota or Honda.

But, the Toyota Highlander is a damn fine vehicle. And, if you don't want to fall into the soccermom stereotype with the whole minivan thing, get a Highlander.

Here's another possibility you may have overlooked:

Get a 4Runner with the 3rd row seat.

Personally, I always feel safer with a full-frame truck-type vehicle than a unibody type...

Toyota's 4.0 V6 is 240 HP like the Honda. It's an excellent engine. They use it in the Tundra pickup, the 4Runner, and the FJ Cruiser.

Get the extended warranty (6 year 100K or 6 year 75K). You'll probably never use it, but it's nice peace of mind to have. If you never use it, Toyota refunds your money. You can't lose.

Another thing to consider is buy a Certified Used. They come with a 6 year 100K warranty included.

[DonTheTrucker]

Odometer from my last Toyota

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g60/dwcarpenter151/05-11-06_1802.jpg

It wasn't a van but that should give you an indication of some quality somewhere.

[THE FEZ MAN]

honda

[fkornre]

both companies make great, long lasting vehicles....when i was a mechanic I found Toyo to be slightly better tho...

i know many drivers of the Highlanders and they love em...but none have kids...the odyssey seems to be the vehicle for those with kids, especially with the remote controled rear doors...

[weeniewawa]

or get a tacoma 4 door and put folding chairs in the bed :)

[DonTheTrucker]

Or buy a Corvette and leave the kids at home.

[striker]

I know you asked Honda or Toyotta but I'm putting in my vote for the Dodge Caravan with fold and go seats and auto doors. We wanted an Odyssy but they wouldn't budge on price. We got a great deal on the, excuse me, Grand Caravan, and I don't like it, I LOVE IT! Had it for three years on lease. The new model looks great and we're upgrading this month. No mechanical problems with it and it's a champ and nice to drive and plenty of room. I wouldn't touch any other domestic model these days except for Chrysler mainly becaue of their affiliation with Mercedes.


well Chrysler ended their relationship with Mercedes. So on that note, I would choose the Mercedes R class minivan, a base R class is in the $35 to $45K range, but for $80K you can get a 500 hp AWD Mercedes minivan that will outhandle any Asian car on the road. Personally I would go with the Dodge Caravan or Chrysler.

first choice for my next truck is toyota by far.

why? they have slipped drastically in reliability ratings for the last 3 yrs

Most American cars made in the past 10 years are mechanically sound, but for some reason they can't get the drivability and road manners that the Asian car makers can. Even Hyundai/Kia makes decent cars now, most of them built in America.

Still won't own a Jap. car, don't care where they are made, have had 2 in the last 15 yrs, both were piece of shit. Last one was a Nissan, $2K in emissions repairs and they still couldn't get it to pass.

Or buy a Corvette and leave the kids at home.

or push the current car full of kids off the end of a boat ramp and blame it on a negro :haha7::haha7::haha7: liiiiiiiiinger looooonger


On that note, I know 4 people with new Toyota's, they all are having multiple drivetrain issues, one is going into lemon law litigation with Toyota for an '07 Tacoma, with under 15K miles, that has had the tranny replaced 3 times in a year. The wife and I were at a winter driving school recently, one of the other students had a Ridgeline, even with aggressive winter tires, it sucked ass on ice and snow. Had to be pulled out of the snow three times, twice after getting stuck with the instructor driving it.

[DonTheTrucker]

The Toyota transmission thing is something that I have heard of before. It caused the Camry to slip out of the best buy category of most of the car magazines. I didn't know that extended to the vans and trucks as well.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Just the Tacoma/Camry for '08, it's due to the new design, IMO.

[NoSurviivors]

I love my '01 Jeep. I fuckin punish that thing and it asks for more. It's pretty much bone stock right now.

What about the BMW pod vans?? They all look alike to me.

My old man has a Toy truck.. '98 and he doesn't maintain it. Still going with over 250K.

Funny I don't see any Ford recommendations here.. Drive a 550 SD at work. Garbage.

[Sinn Fein]

We have 4 Fords. I don't plan on buying any more. If/when I ever buy a new vehicle it'll most likely be a Toyota.

[sued]

I hate the idea of a minvan but when I looked at the Odyessy it is really impressive. I havent really looked at the Sienna yet but when we rented a SUV this summer on vaca they gave us a Highlander & it was ok, kind of soft ride.

The prob is Ive been driving my husbands Mercedes E350 for a few days and that thing really moves beautifully. I had forgotten how nicely a car can drive. The Honda is fine, does the job well but wow does that MB feel good.

[ADD Theater]

We bought the 4WD Pilot EX this summer. One of the rear seat belts is sticky so I'm a little bummed. :) Yes, expectations are that high. I couldn't go with a minivan...I liked the Pilot's size and power a lot more relative to the Highlander and thought it felt like the better vehicle for the money.

One SUV I did like was the Subaru Tribeca. It just drove real nice. The wife didn't care for the styling but they've since tweaked it. It had a great car-like feel that the other SUV's didn't really capture.

[Sam_Adams]

I want a Nissan Xterra. It will be my next vehicle and it of course will be fitted for nothing but off-road usage so I can use it at my farm and for when it snows.

The Hondas and Toyotas don't interest me.

[THE FEZ MAN]

i wish some of the jap manufactures would start importing there diesel versions of there SUV's and trucks ive been thinking that if the motor goes in my durango im going to put a diesel in it

[DonTheTrucker]

i wish some of the jap manufactures would start importing there diesel versions of there SUV's and trucks ive been thinking that if the motor goes in my durango im going to put a diesel in it

Not japanese but a diesel nonetheless. (http://www.trucktrend.com/roadtests/suv/163_0612_2007_jeep_grand_cherokee_diesel/index.html)

[Glenn Dandy]

just drove my 1993 Celica to Key West n back.... 180,000 miles... on her and she runs like a well oiled machine.

every nob, switch, and feature works like brand new.


The Japs build em better if you want to pay for a new one... i think you can buy two fords for the price of one chink mobile.

[Sinn Fein]

I want a Nissan Xterra. It will be my next vehicle and it of course will be fitted for nothing but off-road usage so I can use it at my farm and for when it snows.

The Hondas and Toyotas don't interest me.

Toyota's FJ Cruiser owns the Xterra, and will even more in 2009 when they release the convertible version (rumored also to be extended in length).

[Sam_Adams]

Toyota's FJ Cruiser owns the Xterra, and will even more in 2009 when they release the convertible version (rumored also to be extended in length).

Yeah I like those too, but I will have to compare prices. I get the feeling the FJ will end up costing more. Who knows.

I'm not buying anything to be nice to though. It won't be polished up and I won't have chrome rims and flashy shit. The motherfucker will be scratched up with dings and dents in it since it will actually be used instead of driven around the city to show off to people.

[mik3]

The FJ is what I'm looking to get, probably at the end of this model year. I haven't started really researching it yet.

[Sinn Fein]

My sister just bought an FJ. Yours truly did the research. I know more about the fucking thing than some people who own them.

You can get a killer deal on them right now, especially '07 leftovers.

[wetandstickyjim]

The Honda is fine, does the job well but wow does that MB feel good.

It's the vibrating seats ya goose!

[d0uche_n0zzle]

My sister just bought an FJ. Yours truly did the research. I know more about the fucking thing than some people who own them.

You can get a killer deal on them right now, especially '07 leftovers.

Do they have heated seats?

[AIDS Monkey]

Not japanese but a diesel nonetheless. (http://www.trucktrend.com/roadtests/suv/163_0612_2007_jeep_grand_cherokee_diesel/index.html)

The nice thing there, is if there is a tuner available, you can conquer the low RPM sluggishness andturn it into a real hot-rod.

Personally, I'd take a look at a Pontiac Grand Prix GT.
It'll get the same fuel mileage as an Accord or Camry, but it blows them away on performance. Not to mention it's way better looking.

[funnybonez]

Mini Van
Dodge Caravan and Chrysler Town and Country has the best bells and whistle as in toys.
Toyota Sienna 09 fasted engine out there for an SUV, but you'll pay in the options.
Honda Odessey you get money back.
But I hate soccer mom vehicles.

All import cars are assemble in America now... except ACURA, INFINITI. LEXUS, and anything German. ( i think)

[DonTheTrucker]

Personally, I'd take a look at a Pontiac Grand Prix GT.
It'll get the same fuel mileage as an Accord or Camry, but it blows them away on performance. Not to mention it's way better looking.

The Grand Prix platform is 20 years old :(

[Voss's Tumor]

On that note, I know 4 people with new Toyota's, they all are having multiple drivetrain issues, one is going into lemon law litigation with Toyota for an '07 Tacoma, with under 15K miles, that has had the tranny replaced 3 times in a year. The wife and I were at a winter driving school recently, one of the other students had a Ridgeline, even with aggressive winter tires, it sucked ass on ice and snow. Had to be pulled out of the snow three times, twice after getting stuck with the instructor driving it.

I try to replace my trannies 6 or so times a year. Nothing like getting the same old tranny day in, day out.

[thelord68]

Personally, I drive a Honda and have owned ones in the past. I have never owned a Toyota, but I never had any prejudice against them. I think either one is a good choice. My friend is a master Toyota mechanic and is personally a GM guy, but usually recommends Toyota or Honda to his customers when asked his opinion.

My only problem with Toyota is the purchasing experience. Before buying my current car, I looked at Toyotas as well, but trying to price out a vehicle online and then going into the dealership to find a similar vehicle was nearly impossible. The sales people at two different dealerships all had attitudes. I would have purchased the same day, but instead walked out. My sister had a similar experience at one of the same dealerships.

Honda, on the other had, simplifies the process by limiting options - all models at a certain trim level have the same features. Most of the remaining options are dealer installed, so they can customize it when you purchase. This makes determining the actual cost of the car easier and means you'll more likely find one you want in stock. I walked into a Honda dealership, test drove the vehicle, and had all the paperwork done in 1/2 an hour. Got the price I wanted with almost no haggling because the guy new I was ready to purchase. Came back and picked it up less than 24 hours later.

My take on Honda in general is that for any one specific feature or parameter, there is some other vehicle that is better, but as a whole package no one comes close.

[Tax Payer]

Do they have heated seats?


no but they have the neoprene type waterproof seats. The seats in them are damn comfy.

[sued]

I just looked at the MB website and they are offering specials on the SUVs so now I have to throw those in the mix. Im driving the E350 and it is absolutely beautiful. Drives like a dream. It actually feels like you are flying a small plane. The rise is so smooth and there is just ongoing power available. It is such a treat to drive. My Pilot is funtional. I cant argue that. It is like driving a toaster though. Absolutely no excitement in it. I guess it is a tradeoff. Practicality for Performance. Can you get both?

[Tax Payer]

i wish some of the jap manufactures would start importing there diesel versions of there SUV's and trucks ive been thinking that if the motor goes in my durango im going to put a diesel in it



talking about 2009 - 2010
http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idINN1336126720080114?rpc=44

or you can convert
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ald9Qkq3Q9o

[mikeybot]

Since I have a Honda(Civic) I'll go with that. Though when I was shopping for it, I was looking at a Celica also.

[foyb]

We have a dodge grand caravan. I love it. Damn good ride, we haven't had any problems with it. It gets decent mileage, and has enough power to get out of it own way. The stow and go seats are great. It's kind of a pain to have to move the driver/passenger seats up to put thee second row down, but it beats having to physically remove them from the vehicle.

[Wilmington WOW]

the answer is


Audi ;)

[d0uche_n0zzle]

no but they have the neoprene type waterproof seats. The seats in them are damn comfy.

Are they off road suspension seats?

[Got One?]

sure the toy's reliability may have slipped in the last 3 years, but i'm still better than my s10. my whole family has had toyota their whole life, and now i see why after owning chevy.

[Sinn Fein]

Do they have heated seats?

no but they have the neoprene type waterproof seats. The seats in them are damn comfy.

They certainly are. I went along on a 2-hour (each way) trip last Saturday and was amazed. Even the back seat was comfortable, and I'm 5'11 250lbs.

Are they off road suspension seats?

Umm... No.

[Tax Payer]

They certainly are. I went along on a 2-hour (each way) trip last Saturday and was amazed. Even the back seat was comfortable, and I'm 5'11 250lbs.



Umm... No.



I would say the nicest thing about the FJ is distance from you and the windshield. I'm 6'2" and I hold my arm out straight and I can't touch the windshield. Thats a lot of room that you will thank in a front end crash.

[Sinn Fein]

You're right about that. You certainly do feel safe in secure in an FJ.

[sued]

Ended up with the Odyssey which I hate to admit is awesome.

[Sinn Fein]

It is a nice vehicle. Good luck with it.

[Steam]

I have a Civic now and when I get a new one next year it will be another Civic.

I put on a lot of miles due to work so I need something economical on the gas.

[Sinn Fein]

I have a Civic now and when I get a new one next year it will be another Civic.

I put on a lot of miles due to work so I need something economical on the gas.

You might want take a look at the brand new '09 Corolla... Not knocking the Civic, but people are saying that new Corolla really ups the ante.

[Steam]

You might want take a look at the brand new '09 Corolla... Not knocking the Civic, but people are saying that new Corolla really ups the ante.

I'm going to do my best to wait as long as I can. I need to run this one into the ground first.

[sued]

Thanks. I sort of like it. It feels like Im driving a fun bus of sorts. I was dead set against a minivan but I decided to give up being so against it and go with the flow. My girls love the DVD system It is our first one so we could have sat in the driveway watching movies all night but Lost was on. Plus it drives nicely.

The only thing that disappointments me is it is front wheel drive instead of all or 4 wheel. They should offer it that way as an option.

[Sinn Fein]

I hear ya there.

[Sam_Adams]

My sister just bought an FJ. Yours truly did the research. I know more about the fucking thing than some people who own them.

You can get a killer deal on them right now, especially '07 leftovers.

I'd go for the FJ Cruiser based on it's look and potential usage, but I have heard bad things about them. I have heard that it has terrible blind spots due to the columns blocking your side views, the "rear" doors aren't really usable and that it's supposed to be an off-road vehicle but it doesn't have a locking rear differential. How can it be an off-road vehicle if you can't lock your axles?

I think I will go with the Xterra even though with the new body style they have raised the 4x4 base price considerably :( The Xterra actually offers off-road capability(not to mention more horsepower) that you just can't get with an open differential like with the FJ.

[Zona992006]

Bmw....

[Sam_Adams]

Bmw....

Well if I wanted to waste $50,000 on a nazi car then I'd do it :action-sm

[Tax Payer]

I'd go for the FJ Cruiser based on it's look and potential usage, but I have heard bad things about them. I have heard that it has terrible blind spots due to the columns blocking your side views, the "rear" doors aren't really usable and that it's supposed to be an off-road vehicle but it doesn't have a locking rear differential. How can it be an off-road vehicle if you can't lock your axels?

I think I will go with the Xterra even though with the new body style they have raised the 4x4 base price considerably :( The Xterra actually offers off-road capability(not to mention more horsepower) that you just can't get with an open differential like with the FJ.

#1 Learn to use your mirrors w/ blind spot mirrors.
#2 Who gives a fuck.. your driving.
#3 Yes it does have a rear diff lock. and A-track, and stability control.
#4 pay 4 more grand and get a supercharger.

#5 don't be talking shit about my FJC :action-sm:action-sm

[THE FEZ MAN]

most peoples idea of "off road" would me my stone drive way..... i think that most off road people build there own stuff.... or at least that's my impression, hell i have two 4x4's and the furthest off road ive ever taken any of them was down a few dirt roads and the occasional field, the gas milage that is lost thew the use of the locker isn't worth it to most people, or the car company's that are trying to balance fuel economy, ride, and functionality. i like the look of the FJ my wife does also, but kind of want to build my own "off road" truck, even though i do already own the drunago, and dont even take that "off road" not because i cant but because theres no ware to go around here. oh that and i hate fixing shit that i broke

[Sam_Adams]

#1 Learn to use your mirrors w/ blind spot mirrors.
#2 Who gives a fuck.. your driving.
#3 Yes it does have a rear diff lock. and A-track, and stability control.
#4 pay 4 more grand and get a supercharger.

#5 don't be talking shit about my FJC :action-sm:action-sm

Maybe the person that tested the vehicle didn't know what he was talking about then :action-sm They only get paid to do that kind of stuff

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071024/FREE/71019004/1011/rss03&rssfeed=rss03

Our resident Jeep enthusiast observed that better off-road tires would have made a huge difference in the FJ's hill-climbing prowess, but the vehicle's biggest drawback was its lack of a locking differential, which we failed to check off on the options list, and the lack of a 4:1 transfer case, which isn't even offered as an option.

[CrazyMrPoopSex]

Motor Trend seems to think The Odyessy is the greatest thing ever.

[Sam_Adams]

most peoples idea of "off road" would me my stone drive way..... i think that most off road people build there own stuff.... or at least that's my impression, hell i have two 4x4's and the furthest off road ive ever taken any of them was down a few dirt roads and the occasional field, the gas milage that is lost thew the use of the locker isn't worth it to most people, or the car company's that are trying to balance fuel economy, ride, and functionality. i like the look of the FJ my wife does also, but kind of want to build my own "off road" truck, even though i do already own the drunago, and dont even take that "off road" not because i cant but because theres no ware to go around here. oh that and i hate fixing shit that i broke


Yeah and that one suggestion to buy a BMW is a fucking joke. That's for soccer mommies and city folk that want an "SUV" for their wet roads.

I'm talking about acually USING the motherfucker where there are no paved roads at my farm where it's nothing but hills, mud and rocks.

[THE FEZ MAN]

i never read reviews anymore, i just ask the people that own them, i watch what comes into our shop, not only for repairs but ones that are wrecked. and just come to my own conclusion. i like the nissan's they seem to take a hit well, and i cant think of the last one that i had to work on, mechanically other than the usual breaks ect, i also pay attention about how there built and how easy they are to work on, i like working on the hondas body wise, mechanically there not bad either, the only thing i dont like about them is they use the motor as a load bearing part of the car (yes all manufactures do to some extent) but for some reason they have a motor mount in the middle of the trans axle that likes to snap in moderate front end impacts, were as the nissan is a longitudinally mounted motor. i have not had to work on an FJ yet so other than how it looks (kinda cool to me) i cant form an opinion on them

[Sinn Fein]

I'd go for the FJ Cruiser based on it's look and potential usage, but I have heard bad things about them. I have heard that it has terrible blind spots due to the columns blocking your side views, the "rear" doors aren't really usable and that it's supposed to be an off-road vehicle but it doesn't have a locking rear differential. How can it be an off-road vehicle if you can't lock your axles?

I think I will go with the Xterra even though with the new body style they have raised the 4x4 base price considerably :( The Xterra actually offers off-road capability(not to mention more horsepower) that you just can't get with an open differential like with the FJ.

I've driven it and had no problems with the alleged blind spots and neither does my 65-year-old father or my sister in fact.

If you're not competetent using mirrors, you should turn in your license and get the fuck off the road for the sake of the rest of us.

My sister's has an electronically locking rear. It's an option on both the 2WD and 4WD models, but almost all of them have it. So, whoever told you it doesn't have a locking rear doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

I'm 5'11 and 250 pounds and I was able to get in the back seat without any problem, so I'd hardly call the rear doors useless.

EDIT: I just saw Taxpayer's post - he covered most of this. My sister's FJ also has the A-Trac (I added the switch after finding out if you have a 4x4 with a locking rear - all the stuff is there for A-Trac except for the switch).

[Sam_Adams]

My sister's has an electronically locking rear. It's an option on both the 2WD and 4WD models, but almost all of them have it. So, whoever told you it doesn't have a locking rear doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

It doesn't come standard like a 4x4 should. You have to get a package. And even with the new package they got rid of the cargo rack on the top of the vehicle for the 2008 version. It's a "dealership add-on" now. But for some reason the Canadian version still has it.

Oh, and who "told me" was Auto Week and their one-year-long test of the vehicle just like the article I posted says.

[Sinn Fein]

It doesn't come standard like a 4x4 should. You have to get a package. And even with the new package they got rid of the cargo rack on the top of the vehicle for the 2008 version. It's a "dealership add-on" now. But for some reason the Canadian version still has it.

Oh, and who "told me" was Auto Week and their one-year-long test of the vehicle just like the article I posted says.

It's not part of a package. It's a singular option.

Our resident Jeep enthusiast observed that better off-road tires would have made a huge difference in the FJ's hill-climbing prowess, but the vehicle's biggest drawback was its lack of a locking differential, which we failed to check off on the options list, and the lack of a 4:1 transfer case, which isn't even offered as an option.

And, I agree it should be standard. But, it's no different than other manufacturers. Fucking Ford doesn't make limited-slip standard on 4x4 trucks. It makes no sense. My Ranger came with an open diff and I put in an Auburn posi. My wife's F150 has an open diff, so in any amount of snow I gotta throw it in 4x4 if I want to survive the trip. I'm probably going to throw an Auburn in that too.

[Sam_Adams]

This clip made me laugh :action-sm

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[Begbie]

I'm definitely in the market for a new vehicle. I've currently got an 03 Ford Explorer and between gas, payments, and insurance, it's a fuckin mortgage payment. I got suckered into buying it and the damn thing just depreciated to about 1/2 of what I paid for it in about a year and a half. I did put almost 30K miles on it though. My brother works for Ford and is trying to get me to buy a new Focus with Sync. I think I'm gonna pass on that one.

I'm considering something cheaper in price and on gas. And foreign! Mrs. Begbie has an 05 Maxima, which is probably the best car we've had. I've also had an 02 Altima which at that time, I thought was the best car I've ever had. So, I'm leaning towards Nissan again. Either that, or Honda. I don't care if I'm driving around in an 03 Civic...as long as I'm not paying near $70 every 5 days on gas.

[sued]

I ended up with the Odyssey and hate to admit that I like it. I was dead against a minivan soccer mom vehicle but those folks at Honda know what they are doing. For what it is, it cant be beat. Although I wish they offered all wheel drive. I spend about $50-60 on a tank of gas.

If you are looking for a minivan or a family car, it is remarkable. Handles well, but I find the brakes a tiny bit unresponsive. Just a bit and I can compensate for it. Might even just be mine.

[Chino Kapone]

This clip made me laugh :action-sm

5Lugab0ehZM

:haha7: LOLZ, my ridgeline would eat the fj's shit.

[ih8Uboo-boo]

I ended up with the Odyssey and hate to admit that I like it. I was dead against a minivan soccer mom vehicle but those folks at Honda know what they are doing. For what it is, it cant be beat. Although I wish they offered all wheel drive. I spend about $50-60 on a tank of gas.


You might be better off in the long run as AWD tends to use MORE gas not less...

Oh and good luck with the new ride.

[Sinn Fein]

This clip made me laugh :action-sm

5Lugab0ehZM

That's a bad driver who panicked when he bumped the tree.

[THE FEZ MAN]

This clip made me laugh :action-sm

5Lugab0ehZM



holy shit i just came in my pants

thats about 2500-3000$ worth of damage. i wonder if the air bags went off

[Zona992006]

Well if I wanted to waste $50,000 on a nazi car then I'd do it :action-sm

I love my Nazi mobile. It makes me feel just that much closer to Ant..

I didn't catch that you were looking for off roading. At least your not one of those guys who buys offroad vehicles and never get them dirty...That is such a waste of money..

[Tax Payer]

holy shit i just came in my pants

thats about 2500-3000$ worth of damage. i wonder if the air bags went off

how much this going to cost me?

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[Sinn Fein]

Now's the time to buy a cool aftermarket bumper.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

With spikes to impale slow moving pedestrian traffic and skater kids.

[Sam_Adams]

how much this going to cost me?

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Wow, is there even a real fucking bumper there or is it all just light plastic shit held together with screws?

Like they said before, I'd buy an aftermarket bumper and install it myself. If you take it into a shop then they are going to charge you a fucking fortune. Sorry Fez:action-sm

[alclark]

how much this going to cost me?

Depends on how much duct tape costs near you.

[Tax Payer]

Depends on how much duct tape costs near you.

Cost me $10 on the nose, Roll of Black and a Roll of Silver.

But found a new bumper on craigslist for $145 and doing the work myself. Would love to put a nice ARB bumper on there with a new winch... but getting married in 2 months and kind of need to save some $.

[Voss's Tumor]

Cost me $10 on the nose, Roll of Black and a Roll of Silver.

But found a new bumper on craigslist for $145 and doing the work myself. Would love to put a nice ARB bumper on there with a new winch... but getting married in 2 months and kind of need to save some $.

Bumper > Wedding.

Trust me

[THE FEZ MAN]

Wow, is there even a real fucking bumper there or is it all just light plastic shit held together with screws?

Like they said before, I'd buy an aftermarket bumper and install it myself. If you take it into a shop then they are going to charge you a fucking fortune. Sorry Fez:action-sm

there not even screws.......:icon_roll im all for an after market bumper. its a shame that i cant make one for the price that they can be bought for, that and i have a tendency to "over build" shit, so you would have to put new springs in the front after i was done installing it:icon_lol: but you could use it for a battering ram

[BCH]

I ended up with the Odyssey and hate to admit that I like it. I was dead against a minivan soccer mom vehicle but those folks at Honda know what they are doing. For what it is, it cant be beat. Although I wish they offered all wheel drive. I spend about $50-60 on a tank of gas.

If you are looking for a minivan or a family car, it is remarkable. Handles well, but I find the brakes a tiny bit unresponsive. Just a bit and I can compensate for it. Might even just be mine.

My sentiments exactly. You can't believe it's as big as it is, drives like it does, or gets the fuel economy it does. (My wife's on a long trip gets better than 25) Plus, when the V-Tec kicks in, it merges into traffic with ease and without the kids in it, it's downright respectable in the get up and go department. I think the specs on the '02 oddy that I bought were 0-60 in 7.2 seconds which is sedan territory.

[THE FEZ MAN]

My sentiments exactly. You can't believe it's as big as it is, drives like it does, or gets the fuel economy it does. (My wife's on a long trip gets better than 25) Plus, when the V-Tec kicks in, it merges into traffic with ease and without the kids in it, it's downright respectable in the get up and go department. I think the specs on the '02 oddy that I bought were 0-60 in 7.2 seconds which is sedan territory.


no no no mother fucker......


its a god damn mini van and you fucking drive it..........:action-sm

[BCH]

no no no mother fucker......


its a god damn mini van and you fucking drive it..........:action-sm

When I'm doing family stuff or on a long trip, I absolutely do. The Company Car's my typical way to get around. I'm not kidding when I say I really hated the idea of a family van but having owned this one now for 5 years, I really like it and I like what it can do. You can pick up whole sheets of plywood or sheetrock and fit them under the third row seat. I can carry 5 people and 4 or 6 sheets of plywood. Going to the outer banks for vacation, I fit all of us and all our shit in the thing without having to resort to the economy robbing turtle shell thingie and don't even get me started on the power doors with 3 kids and an armload of crap.

Isn't she a beaut?

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[THE FEZ MAN]

When I'm doing family stuff or on a long trip, I absolutely do. The Company Car's my typical way to get around. I'm not kidding when I say I really hated the idea of a family van but having owned this one now for 5 years, I really like it and I like what it can do. You can pick up whole sheets of plywood or sheetrock and fit them under the third row seat. I can carry 5 people and 4 or 6 sheets of plywood. Going to the outer banks for vacation, I fit all of us and all our shit in the thing without having to resort to the economy robbing turtle shell thingie.


lol.... you keep telling your self that buddy :action-sm

i think i will stick to zipping around in my mid live crises mobile thank you very much......:D

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and leave the dogs for the durnango and its 12mpg, up hill down hill.... fucking parked :icon_roll god is it a pig

[THE FEZ MAN]

you know what? im working on one of those right now, im basically replacing all the sheet metal on both sides. its even the same color NH-638-M

[Sinn Fein]

lol.... you keep telling your self that buddy :action-sm

i think i will stick to zipping around in my mid live crises mobile thank you very much......:D

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and leave the dogs for the durnango and its 12mpg, up hill down hill.... fucking parked :icon_roll god is it a pig

What's it like driving around in a red X?

[THE FEZ MAN]

What's it like driving around in a red X?


eh, it works on my end and thats all i care about, its the only time i get to see it, my old lady drives it most of the time :rolleyes: