2008 New York Mets thread.

[Mother Shucker]

Well, I tried three different searches and could not find a thread for our boys and read some great news that I wanted to share.

Please God, make this happen. (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/Mets-appear-to-be-front-runner-to-land-Santana?urn=mlb,63768)

[JPetrucci23]

According to USA Today, the Mets have landed Johan Santana

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2008-01-29-twins-mets-santana_N.htm

[Shadow812]

Untill I hear it on MLB.com or mets.com I wont belive it.

[LAX]

Mike and the Mad Dog I believe just reported Santana deal is done....Holy Fuck...

Edit: pending the Mets 48 to 72 hour window to agree to an extension

[JMCC]

Hard not to get excited, but fuck it, when i heard it i was screaming like a little girl.

Santana
Martinez
Maine
Perez
El Duque

Holy shit, i'm excited!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[buya97]

I was not looking forward to the season this year....HOLY SHIT! How things can change in a mere hours! :icon_lol::icon_lol:

[badcellphoneguy]

If its true. Congrats to all Mets fans.

[SuperGolfer]

Awesome Awesome Awesome!!!

[LAX]

Being reported as breaking news all over ESPN and all the local NY news stations...But I won't believe it till the press conference

[JPetrucci23]

Lose Glavine, gain Santana....... WOW

EDIT: Holy shit its on Mets.com!!!!!

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l248/j_lukes/metsjohan.jpg?t=1201645537

[fandango86]

Show him the f-ing money. If this falls through because they can't negotiate an extension, their september collapse will look moderate in terms of embarassment.

[Mother Shucker]

You think Santana gives up a gazillion runs in 1/3 of an inning in a must have game? I say not.

Way to go Omar. Let's go Mets.

[tysonpunchinguterus]

As a Yankees fan, I'm glad the Mets got him. I didn't want the Yanks to give up Hughes or Kennedy to get him, but I also didn't want to see him in Boston. I'd much rather see him in a Mets uniform than Boston.

[buya97]

http://www.geocities.com/buya97/santana.JPG

I can picture it right now, lol

[sd187]

Wow. I'm in shock. Thank God the Twins didn't take teh yanks or sox far superior offers.

[OandA_Chris]

The best news I have heard in a really long time. I am hearing good things that a deal will be reached.

[JOHNNY HAIRDO]

I'm sure they'll get a deal done, but being a Mets fan I'm expecting a Mulvey to fail a physical.

[LAX]

Show him the f-ing money. If this falls through because they can't negotiate an extension, their september collapse will look moderate in terms of embarassment.


Exactly:clap:

[buya97]

he's the KKKing of Queens!

[domelogic]

wow this trade will hurt alot. you fuckers just made my offseason worse than it was by the phils doing nothing. i hope it falls through but since i dont think so, nice pickup

[GoldenOne]

The fact that Omar got this done without giving up F-Mart of Pelfrey is fucking amazing.

Bravo, Omar.

[The NoVA Kid]

They made a good deal in getting Ryan Church and that one Nationals catcher. But besides that they haven't really done much to improve the pitching situation...This is a very good day!

[mik3]

The fact that Omar got this done without giving up F-Mart of Pelfrey is fucking amazing.

Bravo, Omar.
He gave up your 2-3-4-6 rated prospects for him. It's a good deal, and he got him for less than Boston and New York were offering, but a system that's already had a lot of players traded away just had some more.

[Jerry1]

Nice to see Minaya not freeze on making this deal. There was rumblings that either the Mariners or Orioles might have gotten involved but thankfully Omar jumped on him before they were able to formulate an offer.
I kept saying that Minaya needed to make this deal not only to fill Glavine's spot but he needed something to take that bad taste left by the big collapse of 07 and give the fans hope and something to be excited about again.
By picking him up he does just that.



I might be making a trip to ole Port Saint Lucie this March.
Nice to have friends down there...

[CM Mark]

I'll try to keep it calm and collected for my excitment that we got Santana

W00T! W00T! MOTHER FUCKING W00T W00T W00T!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fandango86]

So if I understand the chronology of events:

The Yankees offered Hughes, Cabrera, and a third prospect that was NOT to be Chamberlain or Kennedy. So their #2 prospect and a marginal major leaguer.

The Red Sox offered two combinations - Jon Lester, Coco Crisp, and Jed Lowrie. Their 3rd and 5th best prospects and a marginal major leaguer. This one with the added bonus of having a higher than deserved salary. OR Jacoby Elsbury, Justin Masterson, and Lowrie. Their 2nd, 4th, and 5th best prospects. I think this was the best offer the Twins got, if they really got it. I'm not sure the Sox were ever really going to give this package up when it came down to it.

The Mets offered the package that got the deal done - their 2, 3, 4 and 6th best prospects. Quantity and quality.

The Yankees and Red Sox get pissed that they are being played against each other and pull Hughes and Ellsbury off the table.

The Mariners reach a tentative agreement to send their #1 prospect, Adam Jones, and another player to the Orioles for Eric Bedard.

Santana tells the Twins 'trade me now or I'll veto any trade after the start of spring training.'

The Twins go back to the Yanks and Sox and tell them since the Mariners parted with their #1, they would have to put Hughes/Chamberlain and Bucholz/Ellsbury back on the table respectively. Both teams tell them to fuck off.

Omar gets the phone call he's known has been coming all winter. Fan-fucking-tastic job by the best GM in the National League.

[demonseed]

I am so fucking elated.. But I am holding my breath until the reach an agreement on an extension.

Also, does anyone know what happened to the rumblings that the Mets were also about to sign Livan Hernandez. He might make a good set up guy for Wagner.

[fandango86]

Livan is an innings whore. No way they use him in relief. If they sign him at this point it will be only as insurance for when Pedro and El Duque get hurt. I really think that was a partial smoke screen to try to pressure the Twins to pull the trigger.

[demonseed]

Good point fandango. I Didnt even think that they were using him as a ploy to get the Twins to make the trade.

[Mother Shucker]

Yeah, I think Livan was a back up plan. A poor back up plan, but a back up plan none the less. Putting the best pitcher in baseball at the top of our rotation to go with a pretty damn good lineup has me so jazzed for 08' I am almost ready to stop obsessing over the last two seasons disappointments.

[Budyzir]

This is just the kind of trade that starts easing my September rage. I might just pull out of storage all my Mets gear. I haven't worn a Mets jersey, shirt or cap since September.

[buya97]

It felt so great today, adding Santana to my Mets team in MLB 2K7, AWESOME!

[buya97]

According to the USA Today, they are reporting that the Mets are close to signing an extention with Santana, for 5-6 yrs at 21.5 million a year with a significant signing bonus to make him make 20 mil for 2008.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2008-01-31-santanaupdate-mlb_N.htm

[LAX]

Once the Santana deal is done the Mets are rumored to also be after Kyle Loshe

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3224116

[buya97]

Once the Santana deal is done the Mets are rumored to also be after Kyle Loshe

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3224116


Thats a great idea, and get el duque in the pen...cause you KNOW he'll break down sometime this year coming up

[buya97]

props to who ever left the frunkis in the metsblog.com comment section

[blinkdmb]

Tick Tock Tick Tock....

[Redding]

newyorkmets.com is reporting the deadline has been expanded 2 hours.....should know whats going on around 7

[MAVRIC305]

They better get this fucking deal done. It would be so heart-breaking to Mets fans after being so happy about the trade. Only 33 minutes to go...

[MAVRIC305]

Deal Done!

[Mother Shucker]

Great news.

[Mother Shucker]

OK Willie, it is now on you. If this team does not win the NL pennant you might as well put on your walking shoes.

[LAX]

please pass physical please pass physical

[Jerry1]

Now that that's out of the way and all that's left is the routine physical, all that needs to be said is this....

OH ROLLINS!!!
http://beerleaguer.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/rollins.jpg
COME OUT AND PLAYAYY!!!!

[Aero 1]

please pass physical please pass physical

x2

[buya97]

who would you want as ur #5, Livan or Loshe?

[Aero 1]

who would you want as ur #5, Livan or Loshe?

bedard

[Aizazzle]

Congratulations to you Mets fans for getting arguably the best pitcher in the game. Even though I hate your team, as a baseball fan, I congratulate you guys for getting a franchise changing player in Santana and locking him up for 6 more years.


God that was painful to type....

[mik3]

Remember though, Mets fans, the Yankees buy all their players and trade all their prospects.

[Mother Shucker]

Remember though, Mets fans, the Yankees buy all their players and trade all their prospects.

Aww, sorry, you lose out on the best pitcher in baseball. Now go sign another bat for your lineup and get another Randy Johnson for your rotation.

[mik3]

Aww, sorry, you lose out on the best pitcher in baseball. Now go sign another bat for your lineup and get another Randy Johnson for your rotation.
Or actually produce pitchers with your system, not throw them all away. Sorry, Kennedy+Hughes value for next year will be higher than Santana's.

[Jerry1]

Or actually produce pitchers with your system, not throw them all away. Sorry, Kennedy+Hughes value for next year will be higher than Santana's.

We still got Pelfrey and Maine(15 wins in his first full year if I'm not mistaken) and still got to keep the prized prospect Martinez who the Twins originally wanted for Santana.

They say there in no garauntee Kennedy or Hughes will work out. Also there is still the possibility Cashman may trade off one of them for somebody big during the season. Santana is just hitting the prime of his career so the Mets will get the most out of that and when hew starts going downhill his contract should be up by then.
That is why the Mets went six for Santana and not for Zito. They saw a good five or six years in Santana, not so many for Zito(what was his numbers last year anyway?).

However, in my opinion the Yanks did the right thing not giving up Chamberlain, Hughes or Kennedy for Santana. The Yankees rotation was in bad shape last year and those three are the big hope. Don't know how well they'll pitch this year but if they stick around a few years I think they'll become something good.
In the Mets case, they needed a frontline starter to fill the hole Glavine left behind. That was pretty much the major concern this off season and they addressed it fully. And with minimal cost(Besides Gomez, nobody we'll really miss). Besides that, Minaya had to do something to fire up the fans and the team after that big collapse of 07. Getting Santana sure has fired up the fans already(and its only Feburary!)
All the experts were saying that players the Mets sent to Minnesota may have not gotten much playing time and may have not worked out to begin with. However trading for somebody proven and is in his prime, like Santana, was the wise move in this case.

[Mother Shucker]

And don't forget blow Joba. He is unhittable. Of course, unless the bugs come and get him.

[mik3]

Yeah, Baltimore Orioles draft pick John Maine and Mike Pelfrey that couldn't get me out last year. There's a good comparison to Hughes and Kennedy heh.

Have fun with your week on the back pages, it'll go back to normal again once the season starts.

[Jerry1]

Yeah, Baltimore Orioles draft pick John Maine and Mike Pelfrey that couldn't get me out last year. There's a good comparison to Hughes and Kennedy heh.

Have fun with your week on the back pages, it'll go back to normal again once the season starts.

Yep!

Especially with all those great off season pickups you guys made.....oh wait a sec.....

[mik3]

Yep!

Especially with all those great off season pickups you guys made.....oh wait a sec.....
Signed the best free agent available. And see, here's the thing, you don't need to sign people when you build a farm system like the Yankees have done since 04. But really a 94 win team that killed the league in runs scored and had a pythag record of another 3 wins on top of that really had a ton of holes to fill.

Now the Mets are pretty much the 01-04 Yankees.

I understand you guys though, if I was a fan of the little brother team I'd try everything I could to put big brother down.

Also, GJ ignoring the terrible Maine/Pelfrey to Hughes/Kennedy comparison being called out.

[Jerry1]

Signed the best free agent available. And see, here's the thing, you don't need to sign people when you build a farm system like the Yankees have done since 04. But really a 94 win team that killed the league in runs scored and had a pythag record of another 3 wins on top of that really had a ton of holes to fill.

Now the Mets are pretty much the 01-04 Yankees.

I understand you guys though, if I was a fan of the little brother team I'd try everything I could to put big brother down.

Also, GJ ignoring the terrible Maine/Pelfrey to Hughes/Kennedy comparison being called out.

Yankees farm system? That's a new concept for them isn't it?

Glad the Yankees finally saw the advantage in a farm system because it brings up good young players much cheaper instead of trading away or signing for old has beens or ones that don't work out(Randy Johnson, Pavano, Giambi, etc.). It worked for the Mets (Reyes, Wright, Chavez, Maine, Pelfrey) and it worked for the Yanks back in 96 (Jeter, Petite, Rivera, Williams).
Now to be honest, losing Humbar, Guerra and Mulvey for Santana is nothing compared to losing Hughes, Kennedy and/or Chamberlain. Now, with maybe the exception of Gomez, The Mets didn't lose much and got one of the best pitchers in the majors in his prime(and not on the decline like ole Johnson or Clemens!).

It's funny. If it was the Yankees who made the deal all the fans would be pretty much be saying what I'm saying now and all us Met fans would be using the arguement stated above plus the old "Buying a championship" arguement(How's that worked out for them lately anyway?).

So I can understand the Yank's fan arguement that the "other" team got the player they wanted and I needed to poke holes in the "other" team's joy and bring them down.

[Jerry1]

And don't forget blow Joba. He is unhittable. Of course, unless the bugs come and get him.

Stupid bugs!
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20071006/capt.23c6c82174554232a867eb2f8469c661.aptopix_yank ees_indians_baseball_ohmd118.jpg
(Doesn't he sorta resemble a young Babe Ruth?)

[FullBallz]

The Mets were able to make the trade the Yankees wanted to make. The Twins knew that if they traded him to an AL team they were going to ask for Major League quality back. But since he's in the NL now it's like the ostrich syndrome. He's not here so let's not worry about him. Kudos to the Mets for getting this deal done. This is what they have needed all along. Would the Yankees have benefitted from getting him? Of course they would. He's a lefty in the ballpark. It would be great. But the Yanks I feel did the right thing holding onto the big 3 (Not Generation K..LINGERRRRRRR mets fans) and not doing what they did the past 6 years. You saw this year what you can do when you draft and develop right. Melky may always be a 7/8 hitter but when he gives it his all and never gives up on balls in CF I will gladly take that. But this is the Mets fans' day. Enjoy it now friends. Hopefully he doesn't fuck up his elbow or shoulder.

[Jerry1]

The Mets were able to make the trade the Yankees wanted to make. The Twins knew that if they traded him to an AL team they were going to ask for Major League quality back. But since he's in the NL now it's like the ostrich syndrome. He's not here so let's not worry about him. Kudos to the Mets for getting this deal done. This is what they have needed all along. Would the Yankees have benefitted from getting him? Of course they would. He's a lefty in the ballpark. It would be great. But the Yanks I feel did the right thing holding onto the big 3 (Not Generation K..LINGERRRRRRR mets fans) and not doing what they did the past 6 years. You saw this year what you can do when you draft and develop right. Melky may always be a 7/8 hitter but when he gives it his all and never gives up on balls in CF I will gladly take that. But this is the Mets fans' day. Enjoy it now friends. Hopefully he doesn't fuck up his elbow or shoulder.


Generation K???? (Dueche Chills)

[Mother Shucker]

Wow, the Yankee fans are REALLY bitter that we got the golden ticket this year, huh?

I got a golden ticket................

[mik3]

Nobody's bitter. Yankee fans didn't want to give up much better talent, which is what the Twins wanted to keep him in the AL, for one player to then pay him way too much for a pitcher. Every 5 days is not worth the second highest salary in the sport.

And yeah, the Yankees' system did suck for a couple years, but now it's regularly one of the best in the league. Two years in a row with a top three prospect in all of baseball. Now the Mets are pretty much Martinez, who's as good as Tabata and Jackson, and nothing else.

[Aero 1]

why cant you people understand that the twins had no choice to trade with the mets. they didnt want to trade with the mets, they knew the mets were going to give them garbage. santana wanted to go to the mets, IT WAS HIS CHOICE. he said no to the yankees and no to boston, the twins wanted to trade with them.

JOHAN HELD THE TRUMP CARD!!!! he told the twins the only place he wanted to go and he told the mets how much it will take to keep him. omar knew this and threw in garbage in order to show everyone that he is the best GM out there and save his pathetic job because he was not offered an extension after this year like he wanted.

[mik3]

Johan's agent everyone.

He said he wanted to play somewhere with a high hispanic population.

It's funny how all of Santana's friends were leaking to the media that he wanted to go to Boston or NYY a month+ ago. And how he was excited when he heard Boston had the top bid.

[LAX]

Yep!

Especially with all those great off season pickups you guys made.....oh wait a sec.....


B..bu...but they signed morgan enisberg:haha7::haha7::haha7:

[Jerry1]

B..bu...but they signed morgan enisberg:haha7::haha7::haha7:

Yeah, did they?

Hey, hats off to the Yankees for not just spending and trading before they saw what they got already. That's the stategy they took that took them out of the duldrums of the 80's(miss those years!) into the powerhouse championship team of the late 90's. They brought up key guys and traded for a few others and it was done. The hard part for them was keeping up with it.
I think down the road with guys like Wang, Chamberlain and Hughes developing and coming on to the rotation they should be fine(long term that is). They should not feel bitter about our major pickup.

Now I wanna see how he does against them pesky Phillies!!

[Tax Kuntz]

3h-iurHfqls

[Mother Shucker]

3h-iurHfqls

TK, why?

[Tax Kuntz]

TK, why?

Cause the Mets got Johan Santana :action-sm

[OandA_Chris]

With the new stadium and the fairly new tv deal. They have the money to spend why not spend it. They were in a huge need of an Ace and Johan is the best pitch in baseball. The Mets have the tools to win this year. Its a no brainer.

[Swamp CAve]

Cause the Mets got Johan Santana :action-sm

and he's gonna make hitters look like Hannah Montana....... ;p

[JMCC]

Wow, the Yankee fans are REALLY bitter that we got the golden ticket this year, huh?

I got a golden ticket................

Pretty much.

Keep thinking that Hughes is the second coming of Clemens, when in fact after last years injury he could be the next Kerry Wood or Mark Prior...

As for Melky, there's a reason the Twins didn't want him even though they need a CF, he is the CF of the Yankees by default. Gomez on the other has so much more upside than Melky is not even funny. As the starting CF of the Twins, Gomez will put up better numbers than Melky.

Bottom line is the players the Mets traded were not going to help the Mets THIS year, with Gomez being the only exemption. Santana on the other hand makes the Mets rotation deeper, better and the best team in NL.

[Eagle.007]

Go Mets, Go.

Red Sox / Mets in the World Series

[Ball of Hate]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23101098/

Celizic: Trade puts big pressure on Mets to win now
Santana’s a great acquisition, but hardly an iron-clad pennant guarantee
OPINION
By Mike Celizic
updated 8:40 p.m. ET, Sun., Feb. 10, 2008
The headline on a Sunday story on New York Newsday’s Web site sounds like a statement, but it’s really nothing more than wishful thinking: “Mets ready to put collapse behind them.”

Talk about surprises. What else can they say? “Mets ready to find new way to choke?”

When last we saw the New York Mets, they were carving out a bit of unhappy history for themselves, becoming the only team ever to blow a seven-game lead with 17 games to play. It was as awful as awful gets, with the only good thing about it being that it made fans forget about 2006, when all the Mets did was blow the NLCS to the Cardinals.

Every team reports to camp with its bags packed full of hope and optimism. But there’s not a team in baseball that’s under more pressure to deliver on its promise than the Mets.

You can argue that’s not true, that the Tigers, Mariners, Dodgers, Cubs, Red Sox, Yankees, Indians and any other team you care to name is under the same pressure. But let’s be honest here. The Mets are the proud owners of the third-highest payroll in baseball. Their general manager, Omar Minaya is supposed to be the smartest guy to draw breath since Einstein. Their line-up is packed with power. And now they’ve subtracted the ancient Tom Glavine from their rotation and replaced him with Johan Santana, a two-time Cy Young winner.

These guys have to get to the playoffs — there’s no fall-back position on that mandate. And, if they get there, they’re going to be called failures if they don’t also make it to the World Series.

Not even the Yankees are under that pressure. Hank Steinbrenner, who’s taken over baseball operations from his father, George III, has been saying since the end of the 2007 season that the Yankees are rebuilding and aren’t demanding total victory this year.

While the Red Sox are expecting great things again, they won the World Series last year for the second time in four seasons; if things don’t work out, that glow isn’t going to evaporate. And the other teams that hope to contend have a bit more perspective — forced on them by harsh experience — than to start singing the win-or-else song.

The Mets don’t have those luxuries. For three years now, they’ve been built to win — now. And for the past two seasons, when they’ve faced their moments of truth, they’ve been found lacking in ways that go a lot deeper than one starting pitcher.


Santana’s a great acquisition, but he’s hardly an iron-clad pennant guarantee. We remember him for his Cy Young seasons in 2004 and 2006 when he was probably the best pitcher in baseball. But last year he was just 5-7 in the second half of the season and 15-13 overall. His ERA on the season was 3.33, which should translate to sub-3.00 in the National League, where there’s no designated hitter to contend with. But in the second half, it was 4.04, 0.7 of a run higher.


One assumes that playing in New York, a stage he’s always wanted to perform on, and being on a new team will propel him back to his Cy Young form. But even if he reaches that level, the Mets still have a lot of questions to answer.

The team is essentially the same as last year’s with the exception of catcher Brian Schneider, who replaced Paul Lo Duca, and outfielder Ryan Church, who will fill Shawn Green’s role. That means the same pitching staff that didn’t get it done last year is back, including Orlando Hernandez, who could be 50 years old for all anyone knows and isn’t going to make it through the season without three or four trips to the DL. And backing up that staff is closer Billy Wagner, a modern-day Armando Benitez who saves every game except the ones that truly matter.

Lest we put too much pressure on Wagner, let’s not forget an offense that includes Carlos Delgado and Carlos Beltran. Both can be premier hitters, and both have also been accused of wilting under pressure.

Delgado is one of the guys saying the Mets are going to erase the bad taste of last year. He’s talked about playing hard and being more focused. But that’s like that headline about the team being ready to put 2007 behind them — what else can he say?

Talk is all we have right now, and it’s all we will have until the season actually begins in April. That doesn’t mean it still isn’t as cheap as it ever was. The reality is the Mets have been talking a good game for three years now, and they have yet to live up to their rhetoric.

Philadelphia is ready to give them a run. Atlanta is always dangerous. And the power in the NL last year shifted dramatically to the West. When people talk about toughness, they talk about the comebacks the Phillies and Rockies put on last year. When they talk about softness and disappointment, they talk about the Mets.

They’ve got to win. Not next year or the year after, but now.

Mike Celizic writes regularly for msnbc.com and is a freelance writer based in New York.
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23101098/

[JMCC]

Beltran speaks up

PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla. -- Carlos Beltran walked into Mets camp on Saturday, took a seat on the dugout bench and said exactly what was on his mind.

"To Jimmy Rollins: We are the team to beat."

It was unprompted, unscripted and completely unexpected. But with those nine words, Beltran instantly renewed his team's rivalry with the Phillies and assumed a new level of leadership with the Mets. The usually quiet and reserved center fielder, perhaps emboldened by his team's offseason acquisition of Johan Santana, stepped out of character -- and there's no reversing that now.

"Let me tell you this," Beltran said. "Without Santana, we felt, as a team, that we had a chance to win in our division. With him now, I have no doubt that we're going to win in our division. I have no doubt in that. We've got what it takes."

The statement was as much a product of his own confidence as it was a response to Phillies shortstop Jimmy Rollins, who last winter proclaimed that his team was the one to beat -- and then backed it up on the field.

Perhaps the greatest surprise was that Beltran, and not some other Met, made the statement. Normally quiet and unassuming off the field, Beltran has managed to mostly avoid the spotlight during his first three years in New York.

Now, that won't be so easy.

"It takes a special person to be able to do that," closer Billy Wagner said. "Now you have to lead. You have to stand there and take the punches in the bad games, and you have to be there to answer the questions and deal with it."

Beltran knows it, too. Minutes after making his comments -- in response to a question regarding his thoughts on Santana -- he acknowledged that he's now bound to become a popular enemy in Philadelphia.

"I don't care," Beltran said. "They boo me in Houston. One more city won't make a difference."

Rollins became a target in New York last season even before the Phillies and Mets first met -- and even before he made a critical fielding error during the home opener at Shea, which sent Mets fans into something of a frenzy. Then he spent the rest of the summer silencing those same fans, winning the National League Most Valuable Player Award while leading his Phillies to the NL East title.

Yet Rollins, unlike Beltran, was already a vocal leader of his team. The Mets went largely without a similar voice last season -- perhaps until now. And while Beltran's teammates may agree with his prediction, they're not about to state it so boldly.

"There's no use in us showing up if we don't believe that we are that type of team," Wagner said. "For me, I don't think I would ever go out and say it just because I believe in going out there on the field and doing it, but hey, you know what? He's my teammate. I got his back."

"We have inner confidence," third baseman David Wright said. "You're not going to find anyone in here who doesn't think we're going to win the National League East. But different guys have different motivations or ways to pump up their team."

Still, Wright disagreed in principle, saying that because they won last year, the Phillies remain the team to beat. Maybe the Mets have improved on paper, but they haven't yet proved it on the field. Not until September can they truly prove their point.

"I've said all along, I have the utmost confidence in this team to win," Wright said. "But just personally, I don't feel the need to declare anything. Talk is cheap when you're talking about February."

Manager Willie Randolph simply laughed at the comments, attributing them to Beltran's first child, four-month-old Ivana.

"I guess when you have a little baby girl," Randolph said, "it gives you confidence."

Now Beltran must be confident, whether he wants to or not. He directed his boldness at a player who's already plenty bold himself, and in doing so stamped a sizeable target on his back.

There's a chance he'll again fade into the background, just as there's a chance this new outspoken Beltran is here to stay. Either way, on Saturday, he ramped one of the NL's most impassioned rivalries to a new level of contention.

Looks like Santana got Beltran to come out of his shell...

[Budyzir]

Beltran speaks up



Looks like Santana got Beltran to come out of his shell...

AND (!) hopefully will get him into solid hitting groove. In my gut, I thinking this trade may have fired up the whole clubhouse. No evidence, just a gut feeling.

Hell, even after the whole September debacle, I'm now considering an opportunity to drop a ton of cash into partnership with several friends for field level season tickets. I got a feeling. :icon_bigg

[CM Mark]

AND (!) hopefully will get him into solid hitting groove. In my gut, I thinking this trade may have fired up the whole clubhouse. No evidence, just a gut feeling.

Hell, even after the whole September debacle, I'm now considering an opportunity to drop a ton of cash into partnership with several friends for field level season tickets. I got a feeling. :icon_bigg

As good of a year I think the Mets are going to have, September still tugs at my mind.

[JMCC]

I'm still debating on whether I should buy the Sunday plan again, i had the chance to renew my seats from last season, but I wanted Loge seats instead of Mezz, however the sales rep told me that he didn't have any seats on Loge anymore, so I told him no. A couple of days later I checked Mets.com and they have Loge seats available. I'm still pissed about that, why the fuck did he lie...

[Mother Shucker]

I would get the tix if you really want them. Just because a tool employee gave you bad info, you should not punish yourself.

[Budyzir]

As good of a year I think the Mets are going to have, September still tugs at my mind.

Yes it does sir, yes it does.

[Ball of Hate]

I don't wanna hear shit from Mr.-Stare-at-Strike-3-in-Game-7.

If he's going to run his mouth and call out Rollins, then go out and win the MVP like Rollins did and carry this team to the post-season.

I'm just sick of hearing from them. All they know how to do is talk. Then when the pressure is on, they fold like a tent.

And it's good to see Reyes is toning his act down. He became way too much of a clown last year.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-spmets205584499feb20,0,6703213.story

[Mother Shucker]

Hmmmm, I am filling up just thinking about this:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a176/rustytrombone1027/metspicturesSmall.jpg

[VilleDick]

I can't wait for this season, you guys should have a great shot at the wildcard :action-sm

[cknight725]

4-4 Tie against M-go-Blue?! Granted its spring training, but it wasn't a split squad game!

Not lookin good ....

[Mother Shucker]

4-4 Tie against M-go-Blue?! Granted its spring training, but it wasn't a split squad game!

Not lookin good ....
OMG, they tied? :rolleyes:

Santana looked pretty decent today.

[Mother Shucker]

4-4 Tie against M-go-Blue?! Granted its spring training, but it wasn't a split squad game!

Not lookin good ....

They just won there fifth in a row, World Series bound?:rolleyes:

[JMCC]

Down goes Alou, I didn't see this one coming :rolleyes:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2008/03/05/2008-03-05_moises_alou_diagnosed_with_hernia_could_.html

If I'm the trainer I wouldn't be too happy with all these injuries :p

[CM Mark]

Down goes Alou, I didn't see this one coming :rolleyes:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2008/03/05/2008-03-05_moises_alou_diagnosed_with_hernia_could_.html

If I'm the trainer I wouldn't be too happy with all these injuries :p

At least they are getting the injuries out of the way in the preseason. Let's just hope that this doesn't continue in the regular season

[Mother Shucker]

This is horse shit. Can't anyone around here play this game without getting hurt?

[The NoVA Kid]

I'm very excited to see what the Hispanic Connection can do this year....our bullpen really needs to step it up this year

[Tax Kuntz]

So Pagan is presumably starting in LF? Could be worse, he hustles.

Who is #5 starter? Sounds like Sosa might get it by default.

Who's catching? Both are still slowed, and plan C,D & E are Casanova or Cancel or Molina? Isn't there a backup catcher somewhere that may get cut? What's Piazza doing?

I like the bench, with Easley, M. Anderson, Gotay & Chavez. Problem there is no back-up 1B. Still need a righty power bat.

John Maine playing for a big contract. With a good year...say 17-10, he gets 4 years at 8 million each.

[JMCC]

I think Pelfrey will get the last spot, not Sosa.

Last I heard Piazza was thinking of playing in Japan.

Gotay was put on waivers, hopefully he clears.

Maine looks great.

[frankjg]

Am I going crazy or were the mets supposed to open up Sunday night against Washington in their new stadium?

[Fred Told Me]

That was rumored a while back but the Mets balked at the idea of going there for one game and then flying back to Florida for their series against the Marlins.

[Mother Shucker]

Let's go Mets!

[JPetrucci23]

Johan!

[domelogic]

opening day is upon us. good luck this year and hopefully we will get to see some good mets/phils baseball

[Mother Shucker]

I actually had a "discussion" with someone this weekend who was trying to tell me the Mets have a bad offense. They may not have the best lineup in MLB, but bad?

[JMCC]

Less than 2 hours to find out how bad our offense really is...

Can't wait till Santana strikes out the side in the first :D

[JPetrucci23]

Johan!

:clap::D:haha7::D:clap::clap::D:clap::haha7::D

[TheJew]

awesome game today. hopefully johan can do that all year.

JMCC...i just watched your sig about 30 times i love it

[JMCC]

It was a great start, Johan made it look easy.

Pedro goes tonight and I'm sure he will try to prove he's still a legit ace.

[Papagolash]

Ahhh there we go. jmcc who is that in your sig?

[The NoVA Kid]

Anyone know where i can get the online stream for the games?

[mik3]

What's Pedro's injury?

[Shpadoinkle]

What's Pedro's injury?

Cohen just said preliminary reports are strained hamstring, day to day. So basically we will see Pedro again in September.

[mik3]

Yeah, Hamstrings = at least a month or two. Especially since if they say it's strained, it's probably slightly torn.

[JMCC]

Its only April and usually the Mets don't carry 5 pitchers so is not time to hit the panic button yet. I got to say though, having Johan makes this easier to take.

Papagolash, her name is Hayden Panettiere

[JMCC]

Update metsblog.com
…the buzz from Miami suggests that Pedro Martinez’s injury may not be as bad as initially feared…still, i believe he may be put on the disabled list, for precautionary purposes, and he’ll be replaced on the roster by Nelson Figueroa…

During an appearance on ESPN 1050, Andrew Marchand said he sat next to Martinez on his flight back to New York.

According to Marchand, Martinez did not walk with a limp, and said he feels ‘fine,’ though he will not know if a trip to the disabled list is necessary until after this morning’s MRI.

[CM Mark]

BAD call right there. That was totally a home run. Fucking umpire conference. The initial call was correct

[CM Mark]

It was a great start, Johan made it look easy.

Pedro goes tonight and I'm sure he will try to prove he's still a legit ace.

Pedro hasn't been a legit ace since before he came to the Mets.

[JPetrucci23]

Pedro hasn't been a legit ace since before he came to the Mets.


I disagree with that, 15-8, 2.82 ERA, WHIP under 1, ERA+ of 145, 208 k's in 2005, first year with the Mets. Those are legit ace #'s

[The NoVA Kid]

good to see Church and Wright get their first homers of the season...and as i check the score we have 11...wow

[CM Mark]

I disagree with that, 15-8, 2.82 ERA, WHIP under 1, ERA+ of 145, 208 k's in 2005, first year with the Mets. Those are legit ace #'s

Okay. One year out of three so far. I really hope this injury is more serious than they think though. I am NOT a Pedro fan

[fandango86]

Okay. One year out of three so far. I really hope this injury is more serious than they think though. I am NOT a Pedro fan

You hope the injury is serious? Are you insane? Were you hoping they were going to use Nelson Figueroa as a starter until El Duque gets back? And beyond that, were you hoping for 4-6 weeks of disastrous Mike Pelfrey? Actually, I guess you're hoping for him for the whole season because you're not a fan of one of the greatest pitchers in the history of the game? I guess that's ok if you want to play .500 ball through the All Star Break, but as a Mets fan, I was kind of hoping for a better start to the season than that.

[CM Mark]

but as a Mets fan, I was kind of hoping for a better start to the season than that.

2-1 is a bad start? "whaa" We out scored the Marlins 24-7 in the first three games. That's a bad start? Sure, we lost the second game, but Pedro was starting, how many people were really surprised by that? Honestly. You sound more like a Yankees fan than a Mets fan there Fandango. Calm down, Johan did great, Perez did great. Maine will do fine tomorrow. This season is going to go great, with or without, preferably without from my point of view, Pedro or El Duque.

[Budyzir]

Just got back form today's game. Perez was solid but the bullpen sucked. During the player introductions Schoeneweis was loudly booed and he validated those boos when he came out in relief.

On a better note, the new stadium looks great.

[JMCC]

Pretty sloppy game, but a win is a win.

[Mother Shucker]

Yep, a win is a win.

[JMCC]

SAFE!

Pagan is really making me forget about Alou's injury, i think if he keeps playing like that, there is no way Willie can bench him once ALou returns...

[CM Mark]

SAFE!

Pagan is really making me forget about Alou's injury, i think if he keeps playing like that, there is no way Willie can bench him once ALou returns...

Pagan may be my favorite pick up of this off season, including Santana. His numbers in the first 8 games of the season are fucking phenominal. Here's his numbers for his career. http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_stats_player.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=434636

This kid's got a good future in the blue and orange

[fandango86]

2-1 is a bad start? "whaa" We out scored the Marlins 24-7 in the first three games. That's a bad start? Sure, we lost the second game, but Pedro was starting, how many people were really surprised by that? Honestly. You sound more like a Yankees fan than a Mets fan there Fandango. Calm down, Johan did great, Perez did great. Maine will do fine tomorrow. This season is going to go great, with or without, preferably without from my point of view, Pedro or El Duque.


What I was trying to say is that they're likely only a .500 team without Pedro and El Duque, and I was hoping for better than .500 ball from this team this year. So far, that's what we're getting. Luckily the Braves also have injury problems with their rotation and the Phillies are doing what they Phillies do in April.

As for me sounding like a Yankees fan, I'm the biggest Mets fan ever. I love every player on their roster, but I will acknowledge their faults and shortcomings. Hating on Pedro certainly makes you sound more like a Yankees fan. Most Yanks fans can't stand him for pwning Don Zimmer, which is of course why he will always be my favorite baseball player of all time.

Seriously, what's not to love about Pedro? He's the most charasmatic player of his generation, and is the second best non-enhanced pitcher of his time, behind only Maddux IMO. Is it just the injury-prone-ness? Gotta think you expected that when the Mets signed him. They were widely criticized for the deal for that very reason.

[CM Mark]

What I was trying to say is that they're likely only a .500 team without Pedro and El Duque, and I was hoping for better than .500 ball from this team this year. So far, that's what we're getting. Luckily the Braves also have injury problems with their rotation and the Phillies are doing what they Phillies do in April.

As for me sounding like a Yankees fan, I'm the biggest Mets fan ever. I love every player on their roster, but I will acknowledge their faults and shortcomings. Hating on Pedro certainly makes you sound more like a Yankees fan. Most Yanks fans can't stand him for pwning Don Zimmer, which is of course why he will always be my favorite baseball player of all time.

Seriously, what's not to love about Pedro? He's the most charasmatic player of his generation, and is the second best non-enhanced pitcher of his time, behind only Maddux IMO. Is it just the injury-prone-ness? Gotta think you expected that when the Mets signed him. They were widely criticized for the deal for that very reason.

I've just never liked Pedro. Didn't like him on the Red Sox. Did NOT like the deal when they signed him. And I agree with you about the Zimmer thing. Only good thing he's ever done.

And I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the sounding like a Yankee fan thing. I don't think I sound like one. I'm speaking my dislike for a player on the team I root for that I have never liked. He could come back tomorrow, throw lights out ball the rest of the season, go 26-1, 5 perfect games, and I still wouldn't like him. Yankee fans are fair weather when it comes to shit like that. Someone sucks for one game they will rip him a new one, but the next day when he goes 5-5 with 3 home runs, they'll be lined up to suck his cock.

[Mother Shucker]

I hope Sanchez helps this bullpen. I really thought they would be doing better then this. Still early though.

[Mother Shucker]

Let's get on a roll boys. Sheets will be tough, he has been lights out so far.

[Perch1019]

Kinda odd to hear he fell over the railing while walking down.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3349003

NEW YORK -- A man attending a New York Mets game with his family lost his balance on an escalator and fell two stories to his death, police said.

Antonio Nararainsami, 36, and several relatives, including his two young daughters, were leaving the stadium at the end of Tuesday night's game against the Washington Nationals when he fell in a section below the left field stands and landed on a concrete floor. Nararainsami, a Guyanese native who lived in Brooklyn, was taken to a hospital, where he was pronounced dead half an hour later.

Kevin Prashad, a cousin who attended the game, said Nararainsami was walking down the escalator, which wasn't moving, and was holding the hand rail when he "lost his footing."

The Mets said in a statement that they had been "advised of a tragic accident that resulted in the death of a fan." They said team officials and police were investigating.

"Our deepest and heartfelt condolences go out to the fan's family," the team's statement said.

The death of Nararainsami, who was wearing a Mets cap when he fell, appeared to be an accident, and no charges had been filed, police said.

Nararainsami installed heating and air conditioning systems for a living, loved sports and was the captain of a local cricket club, his relatives said. His wife, pregnant with their third child, had stayed home while he attended the game.

Nararainsami's death wasn't the first at Shea. In 1985, a 21-year-old Yonkers man fell 100 feet from an escalator and was killed.

This is the Mets' last season at Shea Stadium. A new stadium, Citi Field, is scheduled to open next year.

Tuesday's game, which the Mets won 6-0, had celebrated Jackie Robinson Day, the 61st anniversary of when the Brooklyn Dodgers legend broke major league baseball's color barrier.

[Mother Shucker]

No way you just stumble and fall off an escalator. Dumb foreigner was doing something goofy before he fell.

[LilJimmyRbinson]

No way you just stumble and fall off an escalator. Dumb foreigner was doing something goofy before he fell.

Funny you mention that:

The man, whose name was not released by the authorities, was sliding down the rail when he tumbled over and fell two levels to the floor of Lobby A

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/16/nyregion/16fall.html?_r=2&ref=nyregion&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

[Wilmington WOW]

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j171/Chadillac13/escalator.gif

[Mother Shucker]

Nothing like sliding down a 80 foot tall escalator. Fucking douche.

[Mother Shucker]

Sanchez is helping the pen.

[sd187]

well i'm back on the bandwagon

[CM Mark]

I'm enjoying the season for the most part so far, but I still haven't worn a Mets logo since early September, right before the collapse

[Mother Shucker]

I'm enjoying the season for the most part so far, but I still haven't worn a Mets logo since early September, right before the collapse

That's cause you are a cunt.

[The Irishman]

Nice win today. In first by a game. Lets keep it up!!

[Mother Shucker]

Let it roll, baby roll...........let it roll, baby roll.......... let it roll, baby roll..........let it roll..........all night long. Do it Duaner do it.

[JMCC]

If Pelfrey pitches like he did last time the Mets should win.

[Mother Shucker]

That's a huge IF.

[JMCC]

Castillo needs to get that bunt down in the future, that should have been a gimme for him...

[Mother Shucker]

He supposedly is one of the best bunters in the game. Nice play by that kid on Beltran's bullet up the middle.

[CM Mark]

Pelfry pitched a decent game, just the Philly hitters were able to get him. Not a bad game, but the loss still sucked.

[JPetrucci23]

this team isn't like-able this year.

[cosmic cow]

Does everyone in the bullpen have to pitch everyday Willy?

Does Delgado suck this much?

If Reyes doesn't hit, the entire team sucks! WTF?

[Fred Told Me]

Today's game was one of the worst played games I've ever seen, and that's saying much.

It's bad enough Delgado can't hit. Now he can't field and doesn't cover first base on a ground ball to 2nd base.

Pagan in Right Field was awful playing that ball in the corner. He's slow to get there. Bobbles it twice and then throws a lollipop into the Infield.

Why did the Mets have the Infield in with Bases Loaded and 1 out in the 8th? Play for the double play. And of course it would have been a double play if the infield was back. Next guy hits a Grand Slam.

Terrible Baseball in Chicago. I didn't mind the Sunday Night loss to Philly because they just came up short in a hard fought game. These two games they looked like a Single A Team.

[GoldenOne]

I am so fucking sick of Willie "I'm smarter than you" Randolph.

They win 5 straight games with Church in the 2 spt, then Willie decides winning isn't good enough and puts Castill-No in the 2 hole. They have yet to win a game since.

You have a winning fucking formula Willie, stop trying to swing your dick and prove to everyone you can win better.

Can't believe I am saying I can't wait till Alou gets back this weekend. Hopefully it pushes Delgado down to 6 and Castill-No to 10.

[JPetrucci23]

The Mets are 8-0 when Luis Castillo is NOT batting 2nd.

The Mets are now 2-9 when Luis Castillo bats 2nd. (both wins coming in the opening series in FLA)

[Fred Told Me]

To Willie's defense, the reason why Ryan Church wasn't hitting 2nd on Sunday and Monday is because Endy Chavez was playing for Angel Pagan, and you need to have Church batting 6th to provide some power in the middle of the lineup. Endy Chavez is not a #6 hitter. Yesterday's lineup was a disgrace. That's a getaway day in August lineup when everybody is banged up and needs a day off. Not in April off a 2 game losing streak.

As long as Pagan is in the lineup, Church will be hitting 2nd. And if he's not than Willie is even stupider than we think he is.

[Ball of Hate]

They actually scored 4 runs today! Shocking!

Enough with this team. Fire Willie, Ho-Jo, Peterson. Designate Delgado for assignment. Another 0-4 from Jose Rey-Ordon-es. Bench him.

Oh yeah. And forget about this guy.

Moises Alou-OF- Mets Apr. 26 - 10:09 am et

Mosies Alou's rehab has been put on hold because of a sore right ankle.

Alou is recovering from a hernia and was supposed to play for Single-A St. Lucie Friday night. He should resume the rehab in a day or two.
Source: New York Post

[Mother Shucker]

Well, they won. The pen has been great, that is if you forget that Heilman exists.

[CM Mark]

Well, they won. The pen has been great, that is if you forget that Heilman exists.

And Schoenweiss

[Ball of Hate]

Well, they won. The pen has been great, that is if you forget that Heilman exists.

And Schoenweiss

And Sosa.

[CM Mark]

And Sosa.

And Wagner

[Ball of Hate]

And Wagner

Can't complain about Wagner this year.

4/4 in saves; 0 hits, 9 Ks, 2 BBs in 9.0 IP.

He's done his job.


So far.

[CM Mark]

Can't complain about Wagner this year.

4/4 in saves; 0 hits, 9 Ks, 2 BBs in 9.0 IP.

He's done his job.


So far.

Good point, but I don't forgive easily. I still haven't forgiven Beltran for the 2006 NLCS, I still haven't forgiven Reyes for last September. Wagner is still a sack of cunt as far as I'm concerned

[Ball of Hate]

Good point, but I don't forgive easily. I still haven't forgiven Beltran for the 2006 NLCS, I still haven't forgiven Reyes for last September. Wagner is still a sack of cunt as far as I'm concerned

Understood and can't argue with ya on Rey-ordon-es and Bustran.

And don't worry - Wagner will kill us again come September!

[Creampier]

Wow, I haven't been on the 'Bag in a while! This thread is as lifeless and uninspiring as the real New York Mets!

I don't care about the 3-3 West Coast road trip and the 12-1 victory yesterday. They looked atrocious in those first 2 Dodger games. Ryan Church and David Wright are the only everyday players worth a shit on the entire team so far! And even Wright has to be more consistent when he's not tearing the cover off the ball. As for the rest of the core players who compose "Los Mets", they can all go fuck a pony!

Teams all around MLB are adjusting to Reyes, he's not adjusting back! I can't believe we're stuck with Castillo, and his slap hitting grampa knees & old lady hips for 4 more years!! Can the Mets just DFA Delgado already? The Blue Jays did it to Frank Thomas, and he's 3x the player Delgado is now! And Beltran... yoohoo.... YIMMY Rollins has been much better than you so far this year, and he's spent 15 days on the DL!

How can you go on any winning streaks when you have headcase extraordinaire Oliver Perez, a career AAAA/minor leaguer Mike Pelfrey, and a never was Figueroa following Santana and Maine? And look, I love Pedro, but I can't stand his bullshit injury after bullshit injury plague anymore. Same with El Duque! I can't wait until these two drop off the payroll books at the end of the year!!

So when are Wilpon and Minaya gonna start shaking some things up?! I wish there was someone decent to replace Wee Willie because the doddering dope and his dear in headlights look on his face can't leave soon enough! He has the respect of absolutely no one in that dugout!!

Arghhh!! I know it's only early-mid May, but the Phils have shown they can win without Rollins already this year, the Braves, while their pitching had had injury problems, are loaded on offense, and the Marlins of all teams keep winning too. And it looks like the Nats are getting their act together too! Now's not the time to be playing 'Wait and Guess"!!


Cliff Notes: Even though the Mets are only a game out of first, changes desperately need to be made before their horrendous, uninspiring, sloppy play drops them further behind!!

[Fred Told Me]

Lets see how they do on this 7 game homestand against inferior opponent. They need to go 5-2 at the very least. Preferably even better. Time to go on a roll.

[JMCC]

I'm not worry about the Mets just yet, its only May after all.

And if the last 4 games are any indication, it looks like Beltran is heating up and when he is on his game, he is one of the best players in baseball.

[Mother Shucker]

Thank God they are hitting a bit. Decent outing by Ollie too, he has blown monkey ass.

[JMCC]

And of course as soon as we give the Mets offense any kind of credit, they shit the bed by only scoring 3 runs vs the Nats :rolleyes:

And is it just me, or the Mets just suck when it comes to hitting with the bases loaded? aside from Beltran's triple 2 days ago, I can't remember the last time they got a grand slam or even a single, very frustrating to watch.

[Fred Told Me]

actually they scored 4 runs. As David Wright had that all important solo homer in the 7th to make it 10-4. Of course with the bases loaded and 2 out in the 8th inning, he grounds out to 3rd. Who saw that coming?

Also Nelson Figueroa should be more worried about going an inning without giving up a run, then what the Nationals are doing in the dugout. He says it was bush league and he may be right, but he should get used to it, because he's heading back there very soon.

[JMCC]

Good win today, Maine was a bit sloppy but efficient, and Wagner has been lights out.

I just hope they find a way to win 2 games with 2 number 5 starters, and then head into Yankee Stadium with a little bit of steam.

Some roster moves.

Vargas, Tatis, Wise active. Designated for assignment are Figueroa and Sosa. Pagan to the DL.

[GoldenOne]

See ya Sosa, we hardly cared about ye.

Glad the Mets actually finally called up a backup 3B so Wright doesn't have to play every inning of every game this season and drag his lifeless body to the plate in September.

[Creampier]

I can't believe it! The Mets front office ACTUALLY did the right thing. :clap::clap:

I was almost ready for Joe Smith to be shipped back to the minors because he had options! I would have popped a vessel if that were the case!

Vargas isn't anything to write home about, but at least the bench and bullpen (if Wise gets his freakin' act together) got a little stronger. You guys think Pagan is gonna be staying in AAA when he comes off the DL? He had a nice little stretch there in April but he looks like he won't be any better than a bench player.

And who's gonna be handling the long relief now? Bileman?

[Creampier]

actually they scored 4 runs. As David Wright had that all important solo homer in the 7th to make it 10-4. Of course with the bases loaded and 2 out in the 8th inning, he grounds out to 3rd. Who saw that coming?

Also Nelson Figueroa should be more worried about going an inning without giving up a run, then what the Nationals are doing in the dugout. He says it was bush league and he may be right, but he should get used to it, because he's heading back there very soon.

And I agree about Figueroa's little whinefest. But that was bush by the Nationals. This is another team I'm slowly starting to dislike. Not quite on an Atlanta/Philly level, but it all started when they played 150% against us the end of last season, then rolled over and died against the Phils. I want the Mets to go 16-2 against these guys this year for that!

Then you have Lastings Milledge, who can never shut the EFF up! When you break a .260 batting average, then talk all you want, okay Gregg Jefferies Jr! Then Elijah Dukes, probably the biggest thug MLB has seen in about 15 years! And not to mention the gimpy overrated crybaby Paul LoDuca..... Seriously! Fuck that team!

[Ball of Hate]

You know what? Fuck the team's record. This is why Willie needs to go.

We have (I should say HAD) a prodigy SS. Somebody who was going to be the heart and soul of this team. Somebody who was going to be the best leadoff hitter we've had. Energy, excitement, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Jose Reyes is currently 8th among NL SS in AVG. 8th among NL SS in OBP. 8th in SLG and 9th in OPS.

How Willie could take somebody with so much potential and basically destroy his career is the unforgiveable sin. Hell - this team would be better off with Jeff Keppinger (before he shattered his knee) than with Jose ReyOrdones.

[Fred Told Me]

How did Willie destroy Reyes? It isn't Willie's fault that Reyes has played like shit. It's Reyes' fault.

Alright that's enough Willie loving for this post. After tonight he should be fired on the spot for putting in that piece of shit Heilman. Unless the Mets are up or down 20 runs, I don't want to see Aaron Heilman within 500 feet of Shea Stadium. If Joe Smith was well enough to pitch after Heilman, than why didn't he come in before Heilman? Or better yet how about having Vargas stay in. He only had 98 pitches.

And god for bid a big hit from somebody on this god damn team. I can't think of one really big hit the Mets have had all season. Uninspiring and underachieving ball and this coming after last year's September disaster. This team needs a major shakeup. And I'm not talking about designating Sosa and Figuerora for assignment. A REAL SHAKEUP. And it's starts with Willie. Enough is Enough.

[JPetrucci23]

one word for this dogshit team, "BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[askewcore]

How did Willie destroy Reyes? It isn't Willie's fault that Reyes has played like shit. It's Reyes' fault.

Because it is SO much easier to blame Willie than Reyes.

Whats wrong with Heilman? I always thought he was a pretty nice pitcher for you guys, when did he start letting every inherited runner score?

[Creampier]

Because it is SO much easier to blame Willie than Reyes.

Whats wrong with Heilman? I always thought he was a pretty nice pitcher for you guys, when did he start letting every inherited runner score?

Willie isn't entirely to blame with Reyes (I think that's more Rickey Henderson) and he can't make batters/baserunners not suck in today's game, but he's to blame for a fuckload of other things wrong with this organization. The man's an egomaniac who does the wrong things over and over so as never to admit he was wrong in the first place, and to pathetically try to show how he "leads" the team and is "in charge of" everyone in the clubhouse.

He gives loafing vets like Delgado, Castillo, and Beltran free passes when they fuck up or don't pay attention on the base paths, yet will shit all over younger players for one mistake and destroy their confidence (Heilman's and Pelfrey's bad games last year, Reyes to an extent, Angel Pagan when he led the team in RBIs in April).

While he can't make pitchers pitch and batters bat in the clutch, it's ultimately on Willie when guys are playing uninspiring, lackluster, brainless baseball day in and day out. They just can't, don't and won't play for the guy anymore!! That's why when the Mets visit Yankee Stadium this weekend, they should tell Randolph that the team bus departs half hour later than it normally does and just leave him there, where he should have stayed all along!

[GoldenOne]

Good for Wagner.

“Hits, we’re not getting consistently. Pitching, today, Pelfrey pitched a fantastic game. We had our chances, we didn’t get that hit. The other day, we’re coming back and we don’t get that hit and we don’t make the pitches. It’s a culmination of just not getting it done. We’re not earning our money.”

“Can somebody tell me why the (bleep) the closer being interviewed and I didn’t even play, while they’re over there not getting interviewed? I get it, they’re gone. (Bleeping) shocker.”

“Well, I mean, I was not a participant in the game, and the guys that had participated were gone. I mean, we’re all upset, we’re unhappy with things that are going on, and how we’re playing, and I just felt like I hadn’t even played. I had no role in the game. David Wright is always there, and the same guys are always there. But there needs to be other guys that are accountable. It gets a little old when the same people keep getting interviewed even when they don’t participate…If you’re not there to answer the questions, the reporters can write whatever they want to. They can write you stunk, you sucked, whatever. But if you’re there to say, ‘Hey man, I wasn’t very good today. I came up and I had a chance and it didn’t work out.’ Well, you’re accountable. When you’re not there, it gets a little ridiculous…

BTW - How the fuck does this team have 3 major baserunning fuckups because of guys not bothering to run (Castillo, Wright and Reyes) and Willie still handles the post-game as though he is trying not to wake up his infant in the next room???

I don't blame Beltran for the last play of the game because it was a screaming liner.

However had Castillo been running he would have scored, had Wright been running he would have been on 2nd, and had Reyes been busting it to second he would have made that play to 3rd easily and we would all be screaming the kid is back!

[Fred Told Me]

Beltran should have at least tried to get back to 3rd. He played that like "Well they told me to run on the contact, so I'm just going, I don't give a fuck if I get thrown out".

This team is just filled with uninspiring, lazy, overpaid players. They are lucky that the rest of the division hasn't done much either. That's the only reason they aren't 8 or 9 games our right now. They better wake up. The next 7 games against the Yankees and Braves. If they continue to play this dogshit baseball and lose 5 or more of these games, I wouldn't be surprised if somebody else is managing this team next Friday in Colorado.

[CM Mark]

Because it is SO much easier to blame Willie than Reyes.

Whats wrong with Heilman? I always thought he was a pretty nice pitcher for you guys, when did he start letting every inherited runner score?

The first time he donned a Mets uniform.



This team is going down the crapper. I've decided that after this season, I am a fan free agent. I'm fucking jumping from this sinking ship. I'm sick of these fucking over paid, Nancy-boy fuck ups trying to pass off what they play as pro ball. My fucking co-ed softball team could beat this team right now. If we don't take 2 outta 3 from the Yankees this weekend, I'm out for the year and following every team BUT the Mets to determine who my team is next year.

[JMCC]

I agree that the Mets haven't play up to their potential and I'll agree that Willie is a bum (never liked the signing) but some of you are starting to sound like Philly fans....

Do some of you realize that the best team in baseball right now has 16 losses, while the Mets have 19? do you realize that by this time last year the Phillies were barely playing .500 ball and much like some Mets fans now, their fans were panicking and calling for Manuel's head(every Mets fan knows how that turn out) I mean try to keep things in perspective, its only May, if they keep playing like this come July....

[Fred Told Me]

Nobody is saying the season is over and the Mets have no chance. But are we Met fans supposed to feel good about the uninspiring, unintelligent, and underachieving Baseball this team has been playing just because the rest of the teams aren't playing great either.

If this team wants to show me something, go out and beat Wang and the Yankees tonight because personally I would be shocked if they won tonight. So go prove me wrong.

[Mother Shucker]

I do believe this is the Yankee ace:
xzeSPAD-tO4

[CM Mark]

Am I the only one that is amazed that Schoenweiss didn't give up a single run? I was nervous when they brought him in for the 9th, even with the 11-2 lead

[JPetrucci23]

its nice to be able to breathe a sigh of relief and enjoy 2 games of well played baseball. i just hope it carries on.

[GoldenOne]

If this team wants to show me something, go out and beat Wang and the Yankees tonight because personally I would be shocked if they won tonight. So go prove me wrong.

:action-sm

[Special Eddie]

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[Mother Shucker]

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He's just a little bit special........

[Special Eddie]

He's just a little bit special........

Hey, I'm Special with a capital S thank you.

[JMCC]

Wasn't that like the 3rd HR a Mets player hits that gets taken away? I think Beltran had 2 when they played in Philly and now Delgado. Seriously why not just have instant replay, games are already long enough, 5 more minutes will not kill anyone.

[JPetrucci23]

Wasn't that like the 3rd HR a Mets player hits that gets taken away? I think Beltran had 2 when they played in Philly and now Delgado. Seriously why not just have instant replay, games are already long enough, 5 more minutes will not kill anyone.

it was the 2nd HR to get taken away. BelTRON had one taken away in Florida during the opening series.

[Mother Shucker]

Why is the bottom of the pole black?

[fuckwit]

it was the 2nd HR to get taken away. BelTRON had one taken away in Florida during the opening series.

i thought it was a ground rule double. from the reply i saw last night and all the video of the ass in stands with the scuffed ball it looked like it hit the top of the wall then ricocheted left off the side of the foul pole and out of play

[Fred Told Me]

I dont know what replay you were looking at it but it didn't hit the top of the fence. And even if it did. If the ball hits the top of the fence and then the pole, its still a Home Run.

This weekend was very nice, but if they go out now and go back to the uninspiring dog shit baseball and lose 3 out of 4 to Atlanta, this weekend won't mean shit.

[Fred Told Me]

Well after a brief 2 game hiatus, the nauseating to watch Mets have returned.

Bases Loaded 1 out in the 1st. And then 22 straight batters retired. And 17 in a row for Glavine no less. Great job.

4-1 in the 7th with the game still in reach. Yeah put in Heilman that makes sense. 2 batters, 2 runs. What a shock.

I hate this team.

[CM Mark]

Ah, welcome back Mets. I may have to put in my fan free agency sooner rather than later

[Fred Told Me]

This 2nd game is even more nauseating than the 1st.

I REALLY HATE THIS TEAM!

1 run all fuckin day. Lazy unemotional pieces of shit. Get rid of Willie NOW and get somebody in there who is going to light a fire under these guys.

Marlon Anderson shouldn't even be in Baseball anymore, nevermind hitting in the fuckin' 2 spot.

I HATE THIS TEAM.

[Creampier]

Ahhh... here's the Mets we all love and/or hate! Way to erase the progress and momentum from the weekend in the span of 10 hours!! Two more with the Braves.... then the Rockies who've been playing better as of late, then 3 with the first place Marlins, then 4 with the Dodgers!

I can't see things getting better any time in the immediate future. This team is so fucked up I don't even know where to begin!

[Mother Shucker]

Sigh, way to fuck up my weekend buzz tools.

[JPetrucci23]

fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team. fuck this team.

[Fred Told Me]

I hope the team plane crashes on its way to Colorado. I hate them all. Cant wait for Johan to pitch 8 innings of 3 hit ball tomorrow, while Hudson and a couple of shitty relievers throw a shutout and we lose 3-0 tomorrow.

Minaya or Wilpon show some balls and Fire Willie Now! I know it's not all his fault and the players are to blame. And believe me they are certainly to blame especially people named Carlos. But enough is enough. I've had it with this lackluster bullshit. If you're gonna lose. Lose with some passion. Give it your all and they certainly do not do that.

[Creampier]

It's really fucking sad when the score is 3-1 Atlanta and I shut the TV off, knowing full well the lead is relinquished for the rest of the night, never to get it back.

I swear, I've never seen a team nauseate me more than the 2007-2008 Mets. I don't know how Hernandez, Darling, and Cohen do it! At least Bob Murphy was loaded up when he was watching pitiful, putrid baseball day in and day out.

I'll keep Church, Schneider, Wagner, and Wright (even he's been pissing me off lately! You're the best player on the team and have been there 4+ years now! Lead dammit!!) and the rest of the team/coaches/upper management can take a long, slow walk through crime-riddled downtown Atlanta during the evening hours!

[Mother Shucker]

I have tickets to three or four more games this year, anyone want to buy them?

[TheJew]

this is painful to watch, even tho it was in beautiful hd....

[JPetrucci23]

its looking like i am gonna be on the field during batting practice on friday the 30th, how the fuck can i act all cheery with them??

[CM Mark]

Okay, I give up. Season is over for me as a Mets fan. I will continue watching Mets games, but only for Wright and Church. I may come back as a fan when Reyes, Heillman, Schoenweiss, and others I can't think of now, are out of Mets uniforms, but as of now, I am a free agent fan.


Oh, and if Church isn't on the All Star team, I may give up on baseball in total


EDIT: Oh yeah, Beltran and Delgado need to go too

[Creampier]

EDIT: Oh yeah, Beltran and Delgado need to go too

Did anybody else see him last night when he was having a jolly good chatting time with Atlanta Braves baserunners at 1B when they were down 11-2? I didn't witness it personally, but if true, I hope a screaming Chipper Jones line drive caves his skull in!

[Fred Told Me]

How about Johan Santana patting Chipper Jones on the back after the 7th inning disaster. What the hell was that. This series had the feel of 1999 all over again. Where everything that can go wrong will go wrong, and whatever the Braves do will turn to gold.

Good job by the Mets bringing up Raul Casanova to replace Moises Alou. Always a smart move to replace an outfielder with a 3rd string catcher. That's almost as smart a move as signing a gimpy 2nd baseman to a 4 year contract.

Can't wait for the next 2 weeks to see Marlon Anderson and Endy Chavez battle it out to see who can get their average under .150 faster.

[RoscoePColtrane]

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[Mother Shucker]

Yeah, but you still live in Georgia......HAHAHAHAHAHA.

[Budyzir]

<------ Another free agent fan.

I am lost for words to describe my disgust with this team.

[Creampier]

Yeah, but you still live in Georgia......HAHAHAHAHAHA.

QFT!

Anyways, I've sat through and watched some way worse Mets teams in my day, so there's no way or no use in jumping ship. But I still stand by statement in saying that I've never been more disgusted and nauseated with the 2007-2008 bunch!

Outside of Johan Santana and a relief pitcher/corner outfielder here and there, this is the same core group of guys that led the team to 96 wins a year and a half ago! This team has 1986 talent, but piss poor 1992 attitude!

I will always root for the Mets, but if they drop the series in Colorado (one of the stadiums besides Turner Field where the Mets traditionally SUCK) and it gets Randolph and his race card drawing ass fired by Monday, it's not gonna upset me any.

Is it 100% his fault? No! But get someone new in there, because this hasn't been working for a long time now with him at the helm. Let Jerry Manuel finish the year out! As I saw last Sunday night at Yankee Stadium, he at least gives a shit and stands up for his players. How the hell did he get ejected for arguing the Delgado no-homer and not Willie?!

[Fred Told Me]

You see Girardi stand up for his players last night and show some emotion and get the team fired up. Wouldn't be surprised if that type of fire sparks the Yankees to get on a roll. On the other hand if that was Willie he would just give an aww shucks, ump that was a bad call. and then walk back to the dugout and do nothing.

[Ball of Hate]

You see Girardi stand up for his players last night and show some emotion and get the team fired up. Wouldn't be surprised if that type of fire sparks the Yankees to get on a roll. On the other hand if that was Willie he would just give an aww shucks, ump that was a bad call. and then walk back to the dugout and do nothing.

You mean like here?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05232008/sports/yankees/yankees_can_os_112197.htm

YANKEES CAN-O'S ON SINGLE IN NINTH
By MIKE PUMA

May 23, 2008 --
Way to give your sleeping team a kick in the pants, Joe.

Robinson Cano delivered the winning hit last night, but Joe Girardi may have been the real catalyst of the Yankees' 2-1 victory over the Orioles at the Stadium.

In a cap-tossing/kicking tantrum that would have made the late Billy Martin proud, Girardi was ejected by plate umpire Chris Guccione for arguing a foul-tip strikeout of Jason Giambi in the ninth. The manager then watched from his office as Cano stroked an RBI single against Jim Johnson that gave the Yanks their first two-game winning streak in nearly three weeks.

"It means a lot to see your manager fighting for the team, especially in that situation," said Cano, whose single to left brought home Hideki Matsui with the game winner.

Derek Jeter was more succinct: "I think [Girardi] fired us up," he said.

After Matsui had singled leading off the inning against Johnson (1-1), Alex Rodriguez struck out and Giambi was ruled out by Guccione on a foul tip held by catcher Ramon Hernandez. Giambi protested and Girardi went ballistic, eventually getting into Guccione's face and receiving his first ejection as Yankees manager. The ensuing batter, Bobby Abreu, walked and Cano ended it.

"I had a pen in my hand and I was so happy, I threw it real hard against the couch," Girardi said, describing the scene in his office.

Fuck Willie.

[Mother Shucker]

Well, I got home from work about half an hour ago, and all I have heard is some fucking cunt "Whoo hooing" into the mic. I want to strangle this hole.

[Fred Told Me]

I can't believe I stayed up till 1:30 to watch this non-stop garbage Baseball.

I guess it's a moral victory that Heilman gave up the winning run on a basehit and not the usual Homerun.

Why in the world is Heilman pitching instead of Matt Wise? Why in the world is Heilman pitching instead of the head trainer? Anybody but Heilman. But clueless Willie what do you expect?

Reyes gets robbed in extra innings on a 3-2 pitch at his ankles. Good to see Willie come out and show some fire, kick some dirt, and defend him....... Oh wait, nevermind. Wrong team.

Reyes gets picked off 2nd with 0 outs in extra innings. I've had it with his stupidity.

Is there a player in Baseball stealing a paycheck more than Carlos Beltran is?

46 games this year, 0 clutch hits.

Every day is worse than the previous one. How about mixing up the lineup? God for bid do that. No hit Beltran clean up every fuckin' game. The guy hasn't had a big hit all year. I would hit Beltran 2nd and hit Church cleanup when Church is back 100%. But what do I know.

[Creampier]

Jesus titty fucking Keey-rice-st!! Can Bileman ever come into a game and NOT give up runs? I would have at least intentionally walked Holliday and took my chances against Atkins.

Boy o boy! Our franchise players (Reyes and Wright) had wonderful games tonight, didn't they? When did they start lodging their heads into their rectums? And I'll be able to find my girlfriend's G-spot before Oliver Perez finds the damn strike zone!

Goddamn this team makes me miserable!

[JMCC]

Mets win! Mets win! Mets win!

[Fred Told Me]

Please make this a good Memorial Day and Fire Randolph. Something obviously needs to be done to shake this team up. And if Mr. complacent Randolph doesn't want to do it and he wants to put the same damn lineup out there with Beltran in the cleanup spot, than the removal of Randolph is what's needed.

The Rockies are fielding a Triple A team. I must have missed when Aaron Cook became a CY Young candidate. He pitches a complete game 4 hitter.

Ryan Church probably couldn't tell you what city he is in. Why he even made the trip to Colorado is beyond me. Yet big spot in the game, let's send him up to pinch hit and of course he gets complete dominated.

The disgrace continues.

[Creampier]

Yeah.... I'm thinking just let Jerry Manuel interim it the rest of the year. Then I really wouldn't mind giving Wally Backman a chance!

Ask Dan Uggla, Conor Jackson, and Aaron Rowand if Backman ever lacked fire or never had his players' backs!

[RoscoePColtrane]

Yeah, but you still live in Georgia......HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Yes I do! And damn proud of it. Oh and it doesn't get near as cold here in the winter.

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I wouldn't want to live anywhere else

[fuckwit]

ive seen pictures that make community colleges look nice. not fooling me.

[RoscoePColtrane]

If it wasn't nice here, I'd move. But please, stay up there in NY. We don't need any more New Yorkers down here.

[Ball of Hate]

The Mets are an apalling dump heap overflowing with the most disgraceful assortment of deplorable rubbish imaginable.

Mangled up in tangled up knots.

[Mother Shucker]

So you got buildings, a fountain, a stadium, and a rock? Ya'll have fun down there, you hear?

[Ball of Hate]

Maybe we should send some of the CURRENT Mets to a beach in Venezuela.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2008-05-26-obit-gonzalez_N.htm

Ex-big leaguer Geremi Gonzalez killed by lightning

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — A government official in Venezuela says former major league pitcher Geremi Gonzalez is dead after being hit by lightning in the South American country.

Emergency management official Herman Bracho says the 33-year-old pitcher was at the beach in western Venezuela and was on a pier when lightning struck him on Sunday night.

Gonzalez started in the major leagues for the Chicago Cubs in 1997 and later played with the Tampa Bay Devil Rays, the Boston Red Sox, the New York Mets and the Milwaukee Brewers.

He last played in the major leagues in 2006 with the Toronto Blue Jays and also pitched last year for the Yomiuri Giants in Japan.

Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

[Creampier]

I've officially hit my breaking point with this team! The only thing I can guess is that the team is writing the season off and the marketing slogan for 2009 will be.... "New Stadium, New Hope, New Beginning!"

How can you POSSIBLY let Randolph keep his job when, if the Marlins sweep, they will be 8.5 games by Wednesday night?! Not a FUCKING THING is being done to change the course of this rickety, sinking ship!! And I'm fucking sick of it!

They don't give a fuck about how they're doing (owners and players) then why the fuck should I? When they lose, I'm just going to point and laugh. I refuse to use a single ounce of my energy to give a fuck about these worthless assholes until moves are made! Good DAY! :fight6:

[Mother Shucker]

Dude, it is worse for me. I have to GO to the game tomorrow. Yuck.:puke:

[Ball of Hate]

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[JMCC]

Can it get any worse? I'm trying to stay positive, especially after last years great start and awful finish, but it gets harder each and every day the Mets lose...

[fandango86]

Some good news, hopefully. Pedro has been pencilled in for June 3rd. He's only making one minor league start, and if all goes well he'll be back next week. As I predicted, the Mets have been a .500 team without him. Since they don't look like they're going to fire Willie, they traded all their prospects for Santana so can't get any midseason help, and Delgado appears to be a certified victim/user/product of the steroid age, he's the best chance the Mets have of finding a spark.

[CM Mark]

Come join me, root for the team I picked in the middle of the Braves sweep last week.

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I can finally root for Scott Kazmir.

So, until Reyes, Heilman, Schoenweiss, Beltran, and Delgado are gone, to the New York Mets I say


Your Mom's Box

[Mother Shucker]

Well, the weather may cooperate and rain like a fuck so I may not have to go tonight.

[Budyzir]

I have tixs to Wed's game, doubt I'm going. May check out Sat's game, I'm craving a hero from Mama's shop.

[Mother Shucker]

I ate the tix, the forcast blew. Now, not so bad. I am glad Santana did not pitch a classic, I would have been real pissed to miss that. Budy, I am thinking of going tomorrow as I already have got everything for the tailgate ready and it is supposed to be nice and I am on vacation. If you don't go, let me know. I was only going to get crappy seats, but rather give you something for tix you are going to eat.

[Budyzir]

Would do MS but I'm in on 4 seats with a bunch of friends, if one us cant make it, the other guys have first call on the tix. I'll try to let you know but, tomorrow is a crazy day and I don't visit the Bag while at work. Nazi company IT asshats.

Enjoy if you go, hopefully you'll catch one of those rare wins.

[Mother Shucker]

Ok bro, was just thinin. I would not even consider it, except that me and my buddy are on vacation this week, and like I said, we decided to eat tonights tix as it looked like one of those nights that you sit there for seven hours with rain delays. Hell, still could be.

[Ball of Hate]

I'd call this team a joke, but that would be doing a disservice to jokes.

This team is more like a pie in the face to every Met fan that supported them through everything they've done and still came back for more. A banana cream pie smashed right into all of our faces, and all we can do is stand there and wipe the crust and cream away, knowing that they are going to smash us in the face with another one. We don't know when it will happen. We don't know if it will be a chocolate cream pie, lemon meringue, or even a combination of the 3 all at once. But it's coming. And all we can do is hope that we are not wearing our good suit when it happens.

[Mother Shucker]

Best thing about this season so far? Rusty in the booth. Sad. But Rusty fucking rocks the fat ass.

[Ball of Hate]

All those lefties LEFT on the bench against a power throwing righty????????

And Willie gets MAD at us for pointing this out??????????

Fuck it. I give up. That was a lemon meringue in our faces. At least we weren't wearing our good suit (reference my post 1 up).

At least Heilman looks good tonight.

[JMCC]

Say what you want about the Mets, but they showed a lot of heart tonight. Coming back from behind not once, but twice was very nice to see.

This has to be that game that turns their season around, if this doesn't do it, I don't know what will.

And I can't believe I'm about to say this, but both Shoe and Heilman looked good for a change. Yeah its one game, but you gotta start somewhere....

[JMCC]

3 in row and tomorrow they face a rookie in Kershaw,(who is nasty) and we all know that the Mets struggle against rookies. Should be a good test...

[Ball of Hate]

They didn't look abysmal for 3 games. I'll give them that much!

[Quint]

All those lefties LEFT on the bench against a power throwing righty????????

And Willie gets MAD at us for pointing this out??????????

Fuck it. I give up. That was a lemon meringue in our faces. At least we weren't wearing our good suit (reference my post 1 up).

At least Heilman looks good tonight.

Which .200 hitter did you want to bring in cold off the bench to face a guy throowing 98 mph?

[Creampier]

You gotta be shitting me with this team! They get swept 4 games in Atlanta, lose 2 of 3 to the triple A Rockies...

Then they come back and beat the first place Marlins 2 outta 3, bitchslap Brad Penny, come back a couple times tonight. At least they're going down with a fight tonight.

Looks like Willie is back to his brilliant managing again! Why the fuck would you bring Bileman into a game with a lead in the 8th inning? WHY?! He's had 4 scoreless innings prior? Big fucking whoop! I HATE Willie!

[Fred Told Me]

Where are all the Willie defenders after this debacle who say "Willie doesnt play. It's the players faults".


Bullshit. Only a fuckin' idiot would keep throwing Heilman out there in big spots time after time after time. And getting burnt with it time after time after time. Im sick of both of these guys.

[Budyzir]

Just got back from the game and I was a mumbling, grumbling bum for the first 7 innings until Beltran finally tied it up. It was good to finally be there for a win.

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Wow, my new cellphone cam stinks!

[Creampier]

Wow! Beltran gets a clutch hit for the first time in about 2 years! Fernando Tatis of all people, has been money!

I am really hoping this team is turning a corner and this isn't one of these false starts that they've been having for the past couple seasons. Santana has to earn his money and be lights out tomorrow! If Pelfrey of all people can go 7 and limit the Dodgers to 2 runs, then he has no excuse!

They're 3.5 back out of first, and have a very favorable roadtrip against the awful Padres and Giants. Time to rock and roll!

EDIT: And FUCK ESPN for making this game at 8 tomorrow night! It's bad enough we have to listen to those mongoloids announce, but the Mets have to make a 6 hour trip to San Fran, getting in early AM, then having to play a game out there that same night! Boo!

[Papagolash]

I went to todays game on a last second notice. Was in Penn st. after my job training hanging with my friend, just as he got on the train my sister called me asking if I wanted to go to the game. None of us had tickets so we all just got to shea. called my friend to get off his train. It was my sister's boyfriends 1st ever baseball game. He's from Australia. We had a great time. Pelfrey was scary to watch pitch but somehow managed to let in 2 runs, then really calmed down the last 3-4 innnings. FINALLY we got clutch hits in the 8th. Great way to end the game.


Here's my pics from the game
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[Budyzir]

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[Budyzir]

Here's an idea, a Wackbag Mets game. We just make it nice and simple, upper level seats. Anyone interested?

[TheJew]

this espn mlb gamecast is depressing to watch...

[fandango86]

During Perez' meltdown last night they hinted that he could be the one to go if Pedro stays healthy. Pelfrey has only been mostly terrible and Vargas is out of options. Can't believe this is the same guy that won 15 games last year. The ol' Bull Durham cliche.

[Creampier]

It really speaks volumes when Howie Rose, whose practically on par with the late great Bob Murphy in the Homer department, announces on air that Oliver Perez is the most high maintenance pitcher he's ever come across!

He's had one win in his last 7 starts! Wagner called him out, and he still doesn't respond. His attitude after the game was a little too indifferent for me as well. He said something along the lines of "It's not the first time I've had one of these games and it won't be the last."

Take that attitude and fuck off back to Pittsburgh! It beats having you shred the bullpen every 5 games!

[Mother Shucker]

Well, they are playing better.....

[JMCC]

Willie when will you learn how to manage your pen? Randolph has no common sense when it comes to relief pitching. What I hate even more is when he doesn't have anyone at all in the bullpen. I think that he thinks this gives the guy on the mound more confidence or lights a fire under his ass that no one is going to save him. There is no way in hell Schoeneweis should be in the game after 2 straight walks, it was clear he had no control of his pitches, but i'm sure Randolph had one of those gut feelings that Sho was going to get out of that mess, when will he learned not to listen to his gut anymore? it has been proven wrong time after time after time after time.

I blame it on Torre, i bet my left nut that Randolph ask Torre for advise before he became the Mets manager and Torre said "just trust your gut and you will be fine"

:arrrh::arrrh::arrrh:

[Creampier]

Ahhh... there's the Mets we all know and hate! FUCK!!

[sd187]

Last two games were PATHETIC. and that ballpark is a joke. Just as band as those bandboxes like philly.

[Mother Shucker]

:yuck2::mad5::idiot::piss:piss2

[JMCC]

:arrrh::arrrh::arrrh::arrrh:

[Ball of Hate]

This guy is a douche, but he is 100% with the Church situation.

http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/06/10/shameful/

The Mets should be ashamed of how they handled the Ryan Church situation. On all levels.

Church said he told the team he felt he could play and absolves the team of all blame. He’s being the good soldier. And, don’t forget, he was thinking with a head injury.

I asked Omar Minaya, sarcastically, I admit, where Church got his medical degree so he could make such a decision. The Mets weren’t happy with the question and told me so, and my response was to tell them I still thought they mishandled the situation.

I even got a nasty e-mail from someone, asking who I was to question Minaya. Whoa. I am supposed to question authority in my business and not drink the Kool-Aid. Of course, I haven’t gotten an apology email from that gutless wonder.

Fact is, they never should have flown Church to Colorado. They should have never put him in the situation to make a decision. They should have known after the first concussion not to fool around. He should have been on the DL immediately.

All this you can find on this blog’s archives at the time.

If what the Mets are saying is true, that the doctors said Church was all right, then those doctors should be fired, and I mean RIGHT NOW.

Inexcusable.

Then again, why weren’t the Mets smart enough to get a second opinion? For that matter, why didn’t Church’s agent? How about acting in the best interest of your client?

Willie Randolph said concussions weren’t common in baseball and little is known about them. When I asked if the team didn’t seek advice from the Giants, Jets or Rangers, who deal with concussions all the time, he said he didn’t think so.

Well, why the hell not? And, by the way, plenty is known about concussions. Also, while I’m in full attack mode right now, how as manager can you not know what the front office is doing regarding your best player so far this year?

If you don’t know, then ask somebody who does.

Minaya is at fault for not making the DL decision earlier and not seeking a second opinion. Randolph is at fault for not benching him completely. The training staff is at fault for not insisting Church should sit or finding out more.

The Wilpons are at fault for letting this nonsense go on underneath their ownership.

And, while we’re at it, the players association is at fault for being asleep at the switch. They make a big stink out of limiting the testing for steroids and even suggesting collusion in not signing Barry Bonds, but when the health of one of their members is at question, where is Don Fehr? He’ll say this is a team’s business, but that’s bull. As a union, your first priority is to protect your membership.

The Mets got chippy when I and other reporters questioned what the team’s priority was, the health of the player or putting the best team on the field. Can’t see an apology coming from them, either.

Just dumb and arrogant from top to bottom. They should be ashamed, but I doubt they have that capability.

[Mother Shucker]

I am sick, hate the Mets, here are some pix from tonight.

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Welcome back Alou:
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Here are two of your 2008 Cy Young award winner:
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Me:
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Chittifield:
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[Budyzir]

For some reason the fact that you are wearing the same shirt cracked me up.

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:haha7::haha7::haha7::haha7:

[Mother Shucker]

Why, I only own three shirts. Odds are I will have it on!

[sd187]

How 'bout them Mets? Billy Wagner is pathetic. PATHETIC.

[Creampier]

How 'bout them Mets? Billy Wagner is pathetic. PATHETIC.

X2
This goober better keep his fucking mouth shut the rest of the season! His act wears thinner by the second.

I tell you, there isn't a goddamn thing of redeeming value on this team at all! From the general manager right down to the club house janitor! Blow it up and start all over again!

[GoldenOne]

Notice Ollie Perez isn't running to reporters to shit on Wagz the way Billy did to him.


Oh yeah Moises looks to be heading back to the DL after taking exactly 3 swings in a game after his last time getting off the DL.

Fuck it sign Bonds.

[Eagle.007]

I have tickets for Sunday. Does anyone know who the starters are scheduled to be?

Is there anything I should know about the stadium that only you real fans would know? Suggested time I should arrive before the game, that kind of thing. I'm coming from north Jersey. Is the GWB a good route? I have never been to that part of Queens.

Anything you could offer would be appreciated.

[Ball of Hate]

I have tickets for Sunday. Does anyone know who the starters are scheduled to be?

Is there anything I should know about the stadium that only you real fans would know? Suggested time I should arrive before the game, that kind of thing. I'm coming from north Jersey. Is the GWB a good route? I have never been to that part of Queens.

Anything you could offer would be appreciated.

Sunday looks like it's Maine/Millwood.

Leave early. Parking is rare with the new stadium. And traffic migth be a nightmare b/c of Father's Day. I would think GWB to the Whitestone would be the most direct way to go.

[Mother Shucker]

If I am driving, I go real early and either tailgate (which they say you can't, but you can with no alcohol) or go in early and take in BP (see above pix). On day games after night games, there is usually no BP. If I where you (since you are driving) I would get there at least two hours before the game to get in the main lot. Due to Chittifield, there is next to nothing left of the main lot. Taking the Whitestone brings you real close to Shea.

[Budyzir]

One caveat I would add, the Cross Bronx, from the GWB to the Whitestone is usually a parking lot. You might want to consider the Triboro - Grand Central Prkwy to Shea, it would minimize your time on the Cross Bronx. If you do go this route, stay in the far right lane on the GWB, the exit comes up fast.

[sd187]

Mets just acquired Trot Nixon from Arizona. He was at Triple-A all season. Don't know who they traded for him. Maybe a PTBNL. Good win tonight.

[JPetrucci23]

Mets just acquired Trot Nixon from Arizona. He was at Triple-A all season. Don't know who they traded for him. Maybe a PTBNL. Good win tonight.

yeah either cash or a PTBNL. i wont get excited about a win until they go on a nice long run.

[Ball of Hate]

Woo-hoo!! An old, unathletic, injured player for an old, unathletic, injured team. He should fit right in.

[Budyzir]

I was at the wash out tonight.

The fact that the Rangers came out to slip and slide speaks wonders.

All those still in the Shea were cheering for the RANGERS!

Where were the Mets ?!?!?!?!?!

Ugh!!!!!

Anyone remember Robin Venture's display one night????

[Ball of Hate]

Anyone remember Robin Venture's display one night????

When he dressed up like and mimicked Piazza? That was AWESOME.

[Budyzir]

When he dressed up like and mimicked Piazza? That was AWESOME.

Ding!

That was fun.

[Ball of Hate]

This team doesn't have the balls to do anything like that.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2008/06/14/2008-06-14_rangers_soak_it_all_in_at_shea-2.html

In nine often-tempestuous seasons, Milton Bradley has heard his share of boos - on the road and, to his dismay, sometimes at home. But Saturday night the Rangers' cleanup hitter got something he never expected: cheers from opposing fans.

Five members of the Rangers starting lineup and a relief pitcher put on a show for Mets fans Saturday night at Shea and also showed New York what a team having fun looks like. After finding out the game had been postponed due to rain - it will be made up as part of a straight doubleheader beginning today at 1 p.m. - they made the drenched tarp on the field their personal Slip 'N Slide before exiting to chants of "Let's go Rangers!"

"I barely get cheers at home," said Bradley, who is known to have a temper.

The players who drew cheers Saturday night were right fielder Bradley, center fielder Josh Hamilton, second baseman Ian Kinsler, shortstop Michael Young, catcher Gerald Laird and reliever Ryan Rupe. The idea for the five-minute show of acrobatics was Kinsler's. "I said 'We need to do a tarp slide' and Milton said, 'If you want to get on 'SportsCenter' you should definitely do it,'" Kinsler said.

"We were saying this could be the last time someone does it at Shea Stadium," Hamilton said. "We're going to be the answer to a trivia question."

When the start time for the game passed, several Texas players, including Kinsler and Bradley, stood on the top step of the dugout for more than 20 minutes signing autographs for wet fans.

"It's Saturday night in New York City," Bradley said. "There were a lot of faithful fans. We wanted to give them something for their money. What New York saw from us tonight ... that epitomizes what this team is about."

Tickets for Saturday's game will not be honored today. They can be redeemed for any day when tickets are available.

The first game's pitching matchup has John Maine going against Texas' Kevin Millwood. In the nightcap, Pedro Martinez is matched against Kason Gabbard.

[MilkmanDan]

Like Carlos Beltran said, "We're the team to beat Jimmy Rollins" you bet your ass you are, your a few games up on Washington.
Phillies lost last night so should only be 10 games back.

[JMCC]

A split, but at least they won the series.

[Eagle.007]

RMM46, Mother Shucker, and Budyzir thank you for the info.

The near comeback in the first game was exciting. It was awesome that they didn't kick us out between games. We saw the second game through the sixth and if we didn't have a 3.5 hour ride home we would have stayed until the end.

Delgado was booed heavily today, and deservedly so. It seems like you have too many individuals that play just for themselves. When the bases were loaded and Pedro was up it was amazing how many were chanting to keep him in the game. He was already at 92 pitches so I wasn't at all surprised he was pitch hit for. The interesting thing is that the inning before many were yelling for him to go back to Boston. Trust me, we don't want him back. Then when Cancel was down 0-2, for the number in the stands, the boos were very loud. It changed quickly with that single.

My first and only day at Shea was fun. My dad has been a Mets fan from the beginning and wanted us to see the stadium. Great day at the Ballpark.

I'd still like to see the Sox and Mets meet in the Series, but I won't be holding my breath.

[Mother Shucker]

Glad you had fun buh-dee. Glad the storms stayed away from Shea today. I drove up from playing in a few Hold Em tourneys in AC, and it rained like a mo fo.

[JPetrucci23]

and the wait is over. Willie, Peterson, Nieto have been fired. Manuel is the new manager, Oberkfell promoted to new 1st base coach, and Dan Warthen promoted to new pitching coach.

[JMCC]

I sure as hell didn't expect to wake up to see Willie go after a win, I guess Minaya didn't want to fire him on Father's day, but it was long overdue. The timing was brutal for Willie though, but I can't feel bad for him.

I don't like the firing of Peterson, he will have a job sooner rather than later, but the Mets front office needed to shake things up.

So long Willie, You won't be missed....

[Jerry1]

So...when's Wilpon going to ask Minaya into his hotel room to fire him?

[Perch1019]

Has a team that fired their manager mid season ever gone on to make the World Series?

[fuckwit]

Has a team that fired their manager mid season ever gone on to make the World Series?

i dont even think they are aware a new season started.

[Perch1019]

Is anyone listening to Mike and the Mad Dog? The Dogs head is about to explode over the firing and the way it was handled.

[Mother Shucker]

Willie, die, get in the coffin.

[Fred Told Me]

Has a team that fired their manager mid season ever gone on to make the World Series?

Jack McKeon- Marlins 2003

[DeltaPin]

Has a team that fired their manager mid season ever gone on to make the World Series?

'78 Yankees - Billy Martin to Bob Lemon

[Perch1019]

Jack McKeon- Marlins 2003

'78 Yankees - Billy Martin to Bob Lemon

Thanks. Id been arguing this with one of my buddies all day and we had no idea where to look something like that up
I had a feeling the 78 Yankees were on that list but was clueless to the Marlins. I think im still blocking out that entire World Series and considering the ALCS my championship.

[Eagle.007]

I think im still blocking out that entire World Series and considering the ALCS my championship.

Good luck with that.


Sorry to hear about Willie. We all know something had to be done. I was hoping he would be fired between games on Sunday. That would have really made things interesting. May the second have of the season bring you many victories.

[JMCC]

I must admit, i was impressed with Jerry Manuel's press conference, I'm pretty confident that no matter what happens, he will make the most of his opportunity for the rest of this year.

It seemed like he had a better grasp of the Mets than Willie ever did. 3 things he mentioned as being a huge weakness of this team:

1. The Collapse

He said he would have reminded his team about it as motivation, as opposed to telling the team to put it behind them. I always wonder how can they put something behind them when every time they lose a game all they hear is talk of the collapse?

2.) Giving starters appropriate rest over the course of a season.

He mentioned Wright and Reyes specifically as guys who need rest over the course of 162 games. There's different schools of thought on this, but a day off here and there would do good to the likes of Wrigth and Reyes.

3.) Definitive bullpen roles

I thought he was spot-on with this one. Aside from Wagner, nobody really knew their roles in the bullpen. One day you see Heilman pitching the 8th another you see him pitching the 6th. Wasn't that Wagner's main problem with Willie last year? I think he mentioned it last year as having an effect on the BP. He also wants to stretch out his starters which I like.

All we can do now is hope that a change will foster a change in attitude and performance on his team, I still think there's enough time to right the ship, it won't be easy, but there's still time...

[Mother Shucker]

Well, that was an exciting game. Tie it with two outs in the ninth against K-Rod and win it with a two out HR in the tenth.

[JMCC]

Mets hire Wayne Krivsky (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/jun/19/ringolsby-suzukis-next-hit-the-road/)

Wayne Krivsky, fired last month as Cincinnati Reds GM, is set to join the Mets as a major league scout. Krivsky, Mets general manager Omar Minaya, special assistant Sandy Johnson, scouting director Rudy Terrasas and pro scout Brian Lamb worked together in the Texas front office.

He has a good track record.

He got Josh Hamilton and a year later traded him for Edison Volquez and he drafted Jay Bruce and Joey Votto.

[Mother Shucker]

zcwjVnndYr4

[Mother Shucker]

Yawn.

[Mother Shucker]

Good Olie today, bad Olie later this week.

[Mother Shucker]

I would feel better about today if they had not wasted that comeback last night.

[JMCC]

The Mets need to step up here and take care of the Phillies. I don't expect a sweep, but 3/4 is doable.

And I can't think of a better time for Beltran to back up his "prediction."

[Ball of Hate]

Keith fuckin rules.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07042008/sports/mets/skidding_mets_a_real_fight_club_118486.htm

SKIDDING METS A REAL FIGHT CLUB
By BART HUBBUCH

July 4, 2008 --

ST. LOUIS - Jose Reyes and Keith Hernandez had to be separated on the Mets' charter plane Sunday night after a tense confrontation over Hernandez's critical comments about the All-Star shortstop.

A team source described the situation aboard the plane as "very heated." One player told The Post that he thought Reyes and the popular former Met - now an analyst for the club's SNY TV network - were close to exchanging punches until others stepped in.

Reyes said yesterday he was angry at Hernandez after numerous friends and relatives told him Hernandez accused the Mets of "babying" Reyes during the broadcast of Sunday's 3-1 win over the Yankees at Shea Stadium.

"He got his point [across] and I got mine," Reyes, when asked to describe the confrontation, told The Post before he drove in three runs in the Mets' 11-1 victory over the Cardinals last night. "I'm not too happy with the way he's been talking."

According to one account, strongly denied by both Reyes and Hernandez, what set Reyes off during the flight was when Hernandez allegedly responded to Reyes' concerns by saying: "I was just doing my job - you should do yours."

Hernandez's "babying" comment was in response to Reyes throwing his glove to the ground moments after committing a throwing error in the seventh inning Sunday. Reyes said he threw his glove out of anger at himself and not in an effort to show up first baseman Carlos Delgado, who appeared to have a chance to catch the throw.

"Well, he's got to get over that," Hernandez said at the time, according to one transcript of the broadcast. "Enough babying going on now. He's a grown man. He's been around a long enough time. Take off the kid gloves."

Reyes said friends and family alerted him to the comments immediately after the game, prompting him to approach Hernandez in front of teammates on the late-night flight here to St. Louis.

"A lot of people told me, and that's no good," Reyes told The Post. "I was mad at myself because I make an error in that situation. It makes me mad, because [Hernandez] played the game, too. He knows it is not an easy game. And he knows when you make an error, you are supposed to feel bad."

Reyes and Hernandez emphatically denied they nearly came to blows, with Hernandez insisting testily that it be described as "a conversation" instead.

"I wouldn't say 'confronted,' " Hernandez said brusquely when approached in the team's broadcast booth at Busch Stadium last night. "We had a conversation. 'Confront' is not the word."

Hernandez, a five-time All-Star first baseman who was a member of the Mets' 1986 world championship team and is in the club's Hall of Fame, said he has put the incident behind him.

"I've had several conversations with players over my career," Hernandez said. "Jose and I are fine. It was not a confrontational conversation, [but] what went on with our conversation is between Jose and I. If he told you, that's his choice."

Reyes, however, made it clear to The Post that there is still simmering anger on his part toward the opinionated Hernandez.

"I don't know why in that situation he's talking like that," Reyes told The Post. "Like I said, I just [made] an error and I feel bad. I threw my glove down, but I [felt] bad because you're not supposed to be giving extra outs to the other team."

This isn't the first time a popular Mets player has taken issue with critical comments by Hernandez.

Hernandez wrote on Madison Square Garden's Web site in 2002 that the Mets "had no heart" and "quit a long time ago" on then-manager Bobby Valentine. Mike Piazza responded by calling Hernandez "a clueless voice from the grave" who was "just trying to make a name for himself at our expense."

bhubbuch@nypost.com

[Ball of Hate]

Beltran and Johan can both go fuck themselves.

[Fred Told Me]

Why Johan? Take away the sixth inning, and he was nothing short of brilliant tonight. Jerry Manuel is making me want Willie back. First off Johan only threw 95 pitches, keep him the fuck in. I don't care if it's the 9th. Second, why in the world would you pitch to the left handed Victorino with the right hand hitting Coste on deck. Why would you pinch hit Marlon Anderson in the 9th instead of Church, only to put Church in anyway in the field. I don't care if he was going to pinch hit Church next in the pitcher's spot. This team is absolute garbage. Beltran, Delgado, I've had it with them. This team can never get a hit to break a game open when they need it. 4 hits and 2 runs against a Triple A pitcher. This team is an absolute disgrace to Baseball. No other way to put it.

[Mother Shucker]

Missed the game yesterday, may be missing many more. Enough is enough.

[Ball of Hate]

Why Johan? Take away the sixth inning, and he was nothing short of brilliant tonight.

THAT'S the problem.

An ace gets out of the 6th inning without giving up 2 runs. An ace shuts down a divisional opponent in a must-win game (and this was as much a game could be "must-win" in early July).

At the end of the year, he will be just like Bustran. The numbers will be great. Everybody will SAY he had a good year. But when we need him to come through, he just hasn't gotten it done.

Give up a grand slam to an AL pitcher with all of 3 ABs. Then cry some more about the "team". He has these games where just 1 inning does him in. An ace doesn't have that inning. 2 runs in 8 innings is fantastic work. But sometimes you just have to ask more from your ace. Last night was one of those times.

[JMCC]

Keith fuckin rules.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07042008/sports/mets/skidding_mets_a_real_fight_club_118486.htm

Fuck the Post, that happen last Sunday and they wait until yesterday to come out with the story? and like always they have to exaggerate, i guess talking about it means nearly coming to blows :rolleyes:

[Fred Told Me]

The Mets scoring 2 measly runs and 4 hits against a Triple A pitcher is a lot more of a concern than Santana giving up 2 runs in 8 innings instead of 0. He's not perfect. Has he been great? No. But last night he did way more than enough to win the game. It's the Mets hitting that is a disgrace.

[Ball of Hate]

And that has been him all year. Doing "just enough". The hell with that. He's supposed to be "the best pitcher in baseball". Isn't that what we were told about him? That he's one of the only true "aces" in baseball? An ace shuts down the other team. If that means having to toss a shutout every once in a while, that's what it means.

I'm not asking the guy to have a 1.75 ERA, 280 IP, 0.75 WHIP this year. I'm asking him to come up big one time when it's needed. And that means not having that one bad inning.

If that's asking too much from the "Best Pitcher in Baseball", then tough. Don't take the $140M. And don't throw your teammates under the bus when you can't get the job done.

[JMCC]

And that has been him all year. Doing "just enough". The hell with that. He's supposed to be "the best pitcher in baseball". Isn't that what we were told about him? That he's one of the only true "aces" in baseball? An ace shuts down the other team. If that means having to toss a shutout every once in a while, that's what it means.

I'm not asking the guy to have a 1.75 ERA, 280 IP, 0.75 WHIP this year. I'm asking him to come up big one time when it's needed. And that means not having that one bad inning.

If that's asking too much from the "Best Pitcher in Baseball", then tough. Don't take the $140M. And don't throw your teammates under the bus when you can't get the job done.

Lets recap.

Santana has a 2.48 ERA in his last six starts. The Mets in that stretch are 0-6

He has been getting LESS than 2 runs per game support, 11 runs in 6 games = 1.83 runs.

What more can he do? aside from tossing shutouts every single time, he has been everything the Mets were expecting.

So not getting the job done? far from it, he's been doing his job, its time for the Mets offense (and defense) to do theirs

[Budyzir]

.......... So not getting the job done? far from it, he's been doing his job, its time for the Mets offense (and defense) to do theirs


Amen brother.

That's exactly what I've been saying nearly all season.

[Ball of Hate]

He's not Steve Trachsel. He shouldn't have to need 5+ runs/game to win. He was given a 2 run lead. He couldn't make it hold up. That's on him.

I never said he sucks. He's a wonderful pitcher. Putting up beautiful numbers.

But so far this year, he's no "ace". An "ace" takes that 2-0 lead, puts it in his back pocket, and shuts the other team down. And an "ace" doesn't say afterwards, "I'm doing my job, what more do you want me to do?"

[Mother Shucker]

How do you not catch a routine fly ball and still consider yourself a major league ball player?

[Mother Shucker]

Fucking Wagner cost me a win in my money fantasy league.

[JMCC]

He's not Steve Trachsel. He shouldn't have to need 5+ runs/game to win. He was given a 2 run lead. He couldn't make it hold up. That's on him.

I never said he sucks. He's a wonderful pitcher. Putting up beautiful numbers.

But so far this year, he's no "ace". An "ace" takes that 2-0 lead, puts it in his back pocket, and shuts the other team down. And an "ace" doesn't say afterwards, "I'm doing my job, what more do you want me to do?"

Absolutely ridiculous. What you're saying is if he gets a 2-0 lead then that should be more then enough. So the game should be either 2-0 or 2-1, which is completely insane. The only thing a pitcher can do, or is expected to do, is give the team a chance to win. Pitchers have thrown no-hitters and lost, OK? That's why a guy with a 2.48 ERA like Johan has had over his last 6 starts would be a shoe-in for the Cy Young. Johan can't make the offense better, he can only give them a chance to win. No, he isn't getting paid to have a 0.00 ERA. It's impossible. He's paid to be a great pitcher that puts the Mets in a prime position to win. And that's exactly what he has done. If you're too blind to see that, there's not much I can do.

Fucking Wagner cost me a win in my money fantasy league.

He cost me a save, but the Mets won, so its easier to take.

[Ball of Hate]

Absolutely ridiculous. What you're saying is if he gets a 2-0 lead then that should be more then enough. So the game should be either 2-0 or 2-1, which is completely insane. The only thing a pitcher can do, or is expected to do, is give the team a chance to win. Pitchers have thrown no-hitters and lost, OK? That's why a guy with a 2.48 ERA like Johan has had over his last 6 starts would be a shoe-in for the Cy Young. Johan can't make the offense better, he can only give them a chance to win. No, he isn't getting paid to have a 0.00 ERA. It's impossible. He's paid to be a great pitcher that puts the Mets in a prime position to win. And that's exactly what he has done. If you're too blind to see that, there's not much I can do.

Tom Seaver would never be happy that he put his team in a position to win. Ever. He would only be happy with the W. That's what I want from Johan with the money he's getting.

With Johan's sparkling ERA, you would think that would make him a shoe-in for the All Star Game. Guess not.

And Ollie Perez didn't do too badly with only 1 run of support. Wagner on the other hand, well that's a different story.

[JMCC]

Tom Seaver would never be happy that he put his team in a position to win. Ever. He would only be happy with the W. That's what I want from Johan with the money he's getting.

With Johan's sparkling ERA, you would think that would make him a shoe-in for the All Star Game. Guess not.

And Ollie Perez didn't do too badly with only 1 run of support. Wagner on the other hand, well that's a different story.

What are you talking about, Santana's numbers are the same if not better than almost everyone on the team, I'm surprised Dempster even made it.

Santana 121.2IP 7-7 109K 2.96ERA 1.19WHIP

Cook: 121.2IP 11-6 64K 3.66ERA 1.29WHIP

Dempster: 125.1IP 9-3 93K 3.24ERA 1.18WHIP

Haren: 117.2IP 8-5 103K 2.83ERA 0.98WHIP

Lincecum: 115.2IP 10-1 122K 2.49ERA 1.24WHIP

Sheets: 117.0IP 10-2 97K 2.77ERA 1.11WHIP

Volquez: 104.2IP 11-3 116K 2.36ERA 1.25WHIP

Webb: 118.0IP 12-4 100K 3.43ERA 1.16WHIP

Zambrano: 112.1IP 9-3 73K 2.96ERA 1.31WHIP

[askewcore]

What are you talking about, Santana's numbers are the same if not better than almost everyone on the team, I'm surprised Dempster even made it.

Well, he couldnt shut out the second best hitting team in the NL in a game in early July so he aint worth shit. He is 212th in run support, and 11th in ERA (5th in the NL) but it is his fault he is .500. Maybe he should be hitting better....:icon_roll

I dont know how you Met fans put up with some of your peers sometimes.

[JMCC]

Should've never been that close, but a win is a win.

Lincecum tomorrow, if they can beat him, i see a sweep.

The hell with taking 2/3, no more let downs, no more .500 baseball, no more looking back, is time for the Mets to turn the corner and reclaim first place.

[Mother Shucker]

If Pelfry continues this, and Perez keeps it up...................hmmmmmm..............just maybe.............

[JMCC]

Glad to see no let down after the emotional series.

And it looks like Mike Pelfrey has finally arrived.

[JPetrucci23]

RAMOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE!!! Hit me a 3 run home run!!!!!!

[Mother Shucker]

You get up every morning

From your alarm clock's warning

Take the 8:15 into the city

There's a whistle up above

And people pushin', people shovin'

And the girls who try to look pretty

And if your train's on time

You can get to work by nine

And start your slaving job to get your pay

If you ever get annoyed

Look at me I'm self-employed

I love to work at nothing all day

And I'll be...

Taking care of business every day

Taking care of business every way

I've been taking care of business, it's all mine

Taking care of business and working overtime

Work out

If it were easy as fishin'

You could be a musician

If you could make sounds loud or mellow

Get a second-hand guitar

Chances are you'll go far

If you get in with the right bunch of fellows

People see you having fun

Just a-lying in the sun

Tell them that you like it this way

It's the work that we avoid

And we're all self-employed

We love to work at nothing all day

And we be...
[ Taking care of business lyrics found on http://www.completealbumlyrics.com ]

Taking care of business every day

Taking care of business every way

I've been taking care of business, it's all mine

Taking care of business and working overtime

Take good care of my business

When I'm away, every day whoo!

You get up every morning

From your alarm clock's warning

Take the 8:15 into the city

There's a whistle up above

And people pushin', people shovin'

And the girls who try to look pretty

And if your train's on time

You can get to work by nine

And start your slaving job to get your pay

If you ever get annoyed

Look at me I'm self-employed

I love to work at nothing all day

And I'll be...

Taking care of business every day

Taking care of business every way

I've been taking care of business, it's all mine

Taking care of business and working overtime

Takin' care of business

Takin' care of business

Takin' care of business

Takin' care of business

Takin' care of business....

[Mother Shucker]

Well, I say we put the break off for a week or so. This is too much fun lately.

[JPetrucci23]

big.



fuckin.



pelf.

[JMCC]

I was at the game and Pelfrey did not disappoint. He looked like an ace out there.

9 in a row, they probably will get to 10, but their bound to lose a game in Cincinnati, but for now I will enjoy this streak, Lets Go Mets!!!

[JMCC]

ESPN: Goodbye Shea Video

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3485955&categoryId=2521705&n8pe6c=1

[Mother Shucker]

Fuck Chiti field and the horse it rode in on. I don't need luxury, I go to a game to, shock, watch a fucking game. So now, I have to pay four times what I used to so people can eat sushi? Fuck that shit. I don't care what the stadium looks like or has for concessions, I lgo to the game for the game. One of the great things about going to a baseball game is the slow pace and the banter amongst friends of what the team should do next. I also like to point out where I was sitting for so and so game. Can't do that in Chiti field.

[Budyzir]

Speaking of new stadiums;

NETWORKS IGNORE BALLPARK-TIX HIKES

By PHIL MUSHNICK

July 14, 2008 --

ONE can understand, if not appreciate, why the story is not spoken during games on SNY and YES, networks owned by the Mets and Yankees, respectively.

But nothing prevents it from being told on national telecasts, those on Fox, ESPN and TBS, where the Mets and Yanks play almost every weekend. Still, the story never is told, as if it's unimportant or a secret.

For example, Saturday, during Rockies-Mets on Fox, Tim McCarver, within a show-and-tell about the Mets' new ballpark, said it should be a gem, one that will in some ways replicate Ebbets Field.

But what prevents McCarver and other national commentators who work Mets and Yankees games from adding that the cost of tickets to these new parks will price many longtime and even lifetime patrons right out of their seats and even out of the parks?

What prevents them from simply stating, "By the way, the cost of many of the tickets will be staggering"?

The story's out. And it's a sensational story. So why the silence?

One doesn't even have to express outrage. The pricing speaks for itself. For all the time-line graphics, where are those showing the rising cost of tickets, hikes that have made attending one ballgame a middle-class luxury item?

The fellow written about here Friday, the gent who was a Mets season ticket-holder since Shea opened in 1964, made up his mind Saturday he's not renewing. His four box seats cost him $5,837 in 1993, $11,836 in 1998, $23,702 last year and $33,300 this season.

Last week, the Mets informed him that comparable seats next year will cost him roughly $60,000. That's it; he's done. (Next year, he won't have to worry about dumping $700 worth of tickets for ESPN Sunday night games, the way he had to with his $400 worth of Mets tickets to last night's game.)

That column led to a pile of missives from Mets and Yankees season and partial season ticket-holders; those who now realize that they, too, have reached the point of can't return.

Friday, one wrote that he's one in a group of friends who have purchased the same box seats in Yankee Stadium the last 20-plus years. The first year, the seats were $12.50 per. By 1996, they were $25 per. Last year they went to $150 a seat. This year they are $250 a seat. And, he added, the seats have been in disrepair the last three years.

For next year, a Yankees sales rep has informed him he can purchase comparable seats for about $850 per. The Yanks next season want $3,400 per game for the four seats.

They're done; after 20-plus years of wildly escalating financial support of the team in the current Yankee Stadium, they can't reconcile such a bludgeoning to watch a ball game in the next Yankee Stadium.

It's new ballpark gentrification: Throw out or move the moderately wealthy and replace them with the indiscriminate stinking rich and corporate buys. So long, folks, and thanks for all you've done for us all these years, you suckers. Arrive home safely and don't come back.

The staggering price of tickets the Yanks and Mets will charge next year is the kind of story that's not easily ignored, unless you try very hard - or simply don't care because it's not your misfortune.

Perhaps, though, in the coming weeks, when a national telecast showcases the new Mets or Yanks ballparks then provides a sweeping shot of the crowd seated in the current parks, a Joe Buck or a Jon Miller might say, "I wonder how many of these folks will be priced out next year."

There's a Web site entitled The Yankee Stadium Insider. Over a piece about next year's ticket prices appears this headline: "Soon, I Won't Be Such A Stadium Insider."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07142008/sports/networks_ignore_ballpark_tix_hikes_119781.htm?page =0


Yeah, I know it's Musssshhhhhhnick, but he does have a point. Looks like this may be my last year at Shea.

[JPetrucci23]

i'm definitely gonna miss Shea

[Mother Shucker]

Why do all the Philthy phans think Utley is great for being a classless douche and cursing during the derby introductions?

[JPetrucci23]

Why do all the Philthy phans think Utley is great for being a classless douche and cursing during the derby introductions?

because they are all classless douches?

[domelogic]

because they are all classless douches?

you cleaned that mirror pretty well didnt you

[MilkmanDan]

Why do all the Philthy phans think Utley is great for being a classless douche and cursing during the derby introductions?

Its the only time he's ever cursed, quite possibly in his life, and it was hilarious to get the Cali Surferboy to blast the White trash NY fans.

Thats prolly why.

[Mother Shucker]

Its the only time he's ever cursed, quite possibly in his life, and it was hilarious to get the Cali Surferboy to blast the White trash NY fans.



Yeah, New York City is chock full of trailer living whit trash, unlike the South Jersey butt fucking retarded inbreeds.:rolleyes:

[Aizazzle]

Because Utley's reaction was genuine, and he isn't a phony like most athletes. Add that with him being a hard worker, a pretty solid 2nd basemen, a really nice guy, having a MVP like season. Things like these make us like a guy.

[Mother Shucker]

First place Mets. How them Philthies pheel about that?

[Budyzir]

I was really concerned that they could pick up the streak after the break.

Good job to the Mets.

I wondering if I can exhale now.

[JMCC]

Great game, there's just something different about this team.

And how clutch was A. Reyes? if that was Castillo he probably grounds out and Wright can't tied the game.

[Aizazzle]

First place Mets. How them Philthies pheel about that?

Well, I hope you enjoyed your brief stay on top of the division. :haha7:

[Mother Shucker]

Well, I hope you enjoyed your brief stay on top of the division. :haha7:

Yep, we can not get back. Being a whole game back and such.:rolleyes:

[Aizazzle]

I happened to answer your question. Of course, I realize we have a half a season left.

[Budyzir]

Raaaaaaammmmmoooooooooooonnneee!!!!!!!!!!

[Mother Shucker]

Once again, first place Mets. How are those Rays doing Mark (I know you are trolling here!)?

[Budyzir]

I'm glad to see Delgado swinging a hot bat, I always liked the guy but his slumps are killer. And, this Cancel guy, where did he come from? Sweet shot when we needed one.

Yup Mother, 1st is indeed nice!

[SwimConnerSwim]

With the two of them tied going into the series on Tuesday, the crowd is going to be red hot. I wish I had tickets to the first game.

[JMCC]

Once again, first place Mets. How are those Rays doing Mark (I know you are trolling here!)?

My thoughts exactly :haha7::haha7:

to jump ship after barely 2 months, just sad.

[Mother Shucker]

My thoughts exactly :haha7::haha7:

to jump ship after barely 2 months, just sad.

Yeah, and as Tampa goes down in a flaming pile of epic fail (not only will they not be in first by the end of the month, they may be in third. They have won two games in two weeks!), he will pissed he can not post here because you know he is so happy the Mets are winning.

[JPetrucci23]

woohoo i'm goin on sunday and johan is pitching!

any news on wags?

[Mother Shucker]

woohoo i'm goin on sunday and johan is pitching!

any news on wags?

He felt better on the flight home, and they canceled the MRI.

[Mother Shucker]

Del-got-it.

[Creampier]

Dear Bullpen,
Die in a fire!

---All Mets fans

[Aizazzle]

To be fair, it wasn't all their fault. Smith did his job by getting a ground ball from Ruiz, it's just that Reyes couldn't make the play.

[Mother Shucker]

dear bullpen,
die in a fire!

---all mets fans

x2!

[JMCC]

I don't even know what to say.

[Kyle]

http://op-for.com/simpsons_nelson_haha2.jpg

See you guys for my next post in another two years! Go Phils.

[Wilmington WOW]

First place Mets. How them Philthies pheel about that?

http://www.ratemyeverything.net/image/7471/0/Epic_Failure.ashx

[Mother Shucker]

Wow, some F-Tards win one game and think they have won the World Series. Eh, I can end this bickering with one sentence. You live in Filthydelphia. HAHAHAHHAHHA. Good luck bro's.

[Mother Shucker]

Jose, Jose, Jose, Jose........Jose.........Jose.

[Mother Shucker]

Now that is how you close out a game.

[JMCC]

No doubt, Wagner showed why it takes a special player to close out games. A lot pitchers can dominate the 7th-8th, but there are few who can do it in the ninth.

[Papagolash]

our team our time

[Mother Shucker]

What? No Philthadelphia Filly fans posting here the last two days?:roflololol:

[JPetrucci23]

http://op-for.com/simpsons_nelson_haha2.jpg

first place!

[Mother Shucker]

http://op-for.com/simpsons_nelson_haha2.jpg

first place!

If not for one fluke inning................what could have been.

[Ball of Hate]

I'll say this:

After Tuesday's loss, if Willie were manager, they would have gone on a 2-5 stretch. But with Manuel, they really bounced back. Very good 2 wins after the implosion. 5-2 over PHL over the last 7? Sounds good to me.

[Mother Shucker]

Willie who?

[JMCC]

Love the Wagner interview after the game, it went something like this:

Reporter: how did you feel when Rollins was announced as the PH, did your strategy changed giving the history?

Wagner: no, is not like he is Bonds, is just Rollins...:haha7::haha7:

[Creampier]

Love the Wagner interview after the game, it went something like this:

Reporter: how did you feel when Rollins was announced as the PH, did your strategy changed giving the history?

Wagner: no, is not like he is Bonds, is just Rollins...:haha7::haha7:

Haha! And way to show up on time to the most important game of the season thus far, Mr. MVP!

So the question I have is.... are the Phillie fans and announcers gonna bellyache about that interview snippet too? Like they did when Reyes did his homerun trot?

Nevermind the fact that Shane Victorino stood on home plate and pointed to the sky for about 5 minutes the night before, and JC Romero pumped his fists like a chimpanzee at the end of the inning, with the Phils were down by 3 runs that same night. Gee, how come he didn't do that this afternoon at the end of the 8th? :haha7:

There are no teams whose misery I get more joy from than those from Philly! I love it!

[Mother Shucker]

So, does big Pelf keep it up?

[JMCC]

Last time he faced them he gave 1 run in 7 innings. I'm sure the Cards are going to look at tapes and adjust to him, the question is, will Pelf adjust to their adjustments? No reason to think he won't.

[domelogic]

Haha! And way to show up on time to the most important game of the season thus far, Mr. MVP!

So the question I have is.... are the Phillie fans and announcers gonna bellyache about that interview snippet too? Like they did when Reyes did his homerun trot?

Nevermind the fact that Shane Victorino stood on home plate and pointed to the sky for about 5 minutes the night before, and JC Romero pumped his fists like a chimpanzee at the end of the inning, with the Phils were down by 3 runs that same night. Gee, how come he didn't do that this afternoon at the end of the 8th? :haha7:

There are no teams whose misery I get more joy from than those from Philly! I love it!


here is a philly post for ya. i didnt see the reyes homerun trot but heard about it while he game was going on. it was bullshit and larry anderson was correct in what he said, the same is true if what you say about victorino is true(again i didnt see it). romero fist pumping is nothing new for any pitcher so i dont know how that makes your point

enjoy your series win and being in first place but there is still alot of the season to play. it should be fun. i dont want to see a repeat of last year with your team, i would rather have it go back and forth. from a fan standpoint it
would be more exciting that way

rollins has been a bit of a disappointment this year especially with his lack of hustle but wagners mouth has always been open. ask him what he thought of rollins performance last year, i bet he wouldnt be so cocky

[Mother Shucker]

We need to score some runs off this guy.

[Mother Shucker]

Did you see that hot dog Reyes take third when he could have stopped at second?

[Mother Shucker]

del-got-it!

Oh, and by the way, Philthies losing 1-0.

[Mother Shucker]

2 games ahead of the fillies, should be fucking four.

[Ball of Hate]

http://i35.tinypic.com/2n66emo.jpg

[MilkmanDan]

You're on a roll, and we're in a slump. Chances are... things will shift direction at some point.
Its gonna be interesting Mets fans.
Honestly, the way last season ended has to still have stitches in your assholes, so I dont mind the shit talking )

[Mother Shucker]

Honestly, the way last season ended has to still have stitches in your assholes, so I dont mind the shit talking )

How did last year end for you guys? Oh, and by the way, the last three weeks of this year sure looked like the last three weeks of last year, but reversed. Hope you enjoy it.

[MilkmanDan]

How did last year end for you guys? Oh, and by the way, the last three weeks of this year sure looked like the last three weeks of last year, but reversed. Hope you enjoy it.

For Philly ? We dont have the unlimited resources of cash NY does, it felt like sweet sweet cuppin cakes )

[Mother Shucker]

Unlimited resources of cash? What?

[Mother Shucker]

Hamels gave up NINE runs in one inning? El oh el.

[Mother Shucker]

Fucking Reyes and Delgado are En Fuego!

[Mother Shucker]

TAT FUCKING TIS! This team has shown nothing but heart since that Yankee nagger was fired.

[Budyzir]

TAT FUCKING TIS! This team has shown nothing but heart since that Yankee nagger was fired.

Mother, I am so with you, I cant remember the last time I was so Mets confident. 86 maybe.

Across the board, every player is contributing!

[Budyzir]

Freaking A, what an 2nd inning for Wagner!

[Absolutely]

I can't believe the Cardinals won... 26th or so Blown Save, it's incredible.
I want them to lose every game before the deadline now so they'll sell every shitty "piece" we have. Stupid Mets, you fucked up.

Also, why can't people at Shea NOT fall off escalators? Are there no sides...
FDNY: Serious injury in fall at Shea Stadium
2 hours ago

NEW YORK (AP) — A fan was seriously injured after plunging 25 feet from the handrails of an escalator at Shea Stadium during Saturday's New York Mets game, police and team officials said.

The accident happened fewer than four months after another spectator was killed in a similar fall.

The fan, a 26-year-old man, fell about 10 p.m. from the box-seat level to a floor near Gate D at the stadium as the Mets played the St. Louis Cardinals, police Detective Brian Sessa said.

The unconscious man was taken to a hospital, the Fire Department said. He was in critical condition early Sunday but expected to survive, said police Lt. John Grimpel.

As the game continued in extra innings, the team issued a statement saying it was aware of the fall and was investigating.

On April 15, fan Antonio Nararainsami, 36, lost his balance on an escalator and fell two stories to his death in a section below the left field stands. Nararainsami was leaving the stadium with his family after the Mets played the Washington Nationals.

The stadium's escalators were also the scene of a fatal fall in 1985, when a 21-year-old Yonkers man fell 100 feet.

This is the Mets' last season at Shea Stadium. A new stadium, Citi Field, is scheduled to open next year.

[mascan42]

If we wind up with a Mets-Rays World Series, my Dad's head might explode.

[Mother Shucker]

I can't believe the Cardinals won... 26th or so Blown Save, it's incredible.
I want them to lose every game before the deadline now so they'll sell every shitty "piece" we have. Stupid Mets, you fucked up.

I wish we could have helped you out buh-dee. How many runners where stranded by the two teams last night? Had to be close to or a record, no?

[Mother Shucker]

TAT-FUCKING-TIS! (again).

[Mother Shucker]

Castro takes em deep.

Woo fucking hoo!

Nice outing by Lohse, lol.

[Mother Shucker]

Holy fucking piss snot, did anyone see that catch by Beltran.

[Budyzir]

The catch was insane!

When they show the highlights of the game, watch the crowd fighting for the ball after Wright's home run. There is a dude, near center top of the image, holding an infant, jumping over a railing to fight for the ball. I had to rewind it a couple times. Classic.

[JMCC]

Is not just the way he made the catch, is the way he went about it, he was so relax, is like he knew he was going to make it.

[Mother Shucker]

For the benefit of MLB, they have to get that team out of Miami. They are in third, just a couple games behind the Mets and playing them in a HUGE series, and they can not even fill in the lower deck. Pathetic. 2-0 Mets by the way, 00t.

[Mother Shucker]

Well, this game has turned to shit real quick.

[JMCC]

Muniz sure looks like he doesn't belong in the majors, Omar might not be able to pull a trade to get BP help, but I think the Mets have other options. Figueroa, Vargas, Parnell, Kuns to name a few, all I know is that Muniz looked outmatched tonight...

[Mother Shucker]

DEL-GOT-IT!...again...

[fuckwit]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/spedly/omar.jpg

[JPetrucci23]

my fiancee is throwing out the first pitch on Wednesday! so if you are gonna be at the game, cheer loudly when they introduce her!

[Mother Shucker]

my fiancee is throwing out the first pitch on Wednesday! so if you are gonna be at the game, cheer loudly when they introduce her!

Who'd she blow?:D

[sd187]

Fuck aaron heilman in the fucking ass.

[Mother Shucker]

Fuck aaron heilman in the fucking ass.

He sure has been Jekle and Hyde this year.

[Fred Told Me]

The Mets loading the bases with 0 outs in the 7th and 2 of their best hitters up and doing shit is more of a reason they lost this game than Aaron Heilman giving up a grand slam flyball in that ridiculously short left field.

[JMCC]

Murphy called up

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2008/08/01/2008-08-01_daniel_murphys_triplea_career_lasts_one_.html

:clap::clap::clap:

[Budyzir]

Holy shit, this kid Murphy, is something else! WHAT A FREAKING CATCH !!!!!

[JMCC]

What's with the Mets and the bases loaded? aside from that Delgado HR and I think a double by Beltran like 2 months ago, they simply can't get a hit.

At least they called up Murphy, Kunz and with Maine on the DL, probably Niece on Friday.

[Mother Shucker]

Not Tatis again? WOW, fucking wow.

[JMCC]

Damn, they sure like to make it interesting. I'm not putting all the blame on Heilman though, the defense did not exactly help him out...

[sd187]

why couldnt we get chad bradford?

[Mother Shucker]

To all you Wagner haters out there, how you feel now, better?

[JMCC]

Is Johan ever going to get a win :huh:

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/8/8/pleasegodlet128626822358095100.jpg

[Mother Shucker]

Nice fucking game Olie! Let's knock out the phish. They are the only team in the East I am worried about. The Filthies can not even score runs on that softball field they play in. Sad.

[Mother Shucker]

Yeah, those chicks down and philthadelphia really can't hit.

[JMCC]

Nice work by Heilman to give the BP some rest. And what else can be said about Ollie, he really has turned it around.

[Budyzir]

Was at the game last night, good work Olie and, Tatis & Beltran with those catches ....NICE!

[Mother Shucker]

Filthies imploding, the Manager and starting pitcher had to be separated in the tunnel.

[Mother Shucker]

Glad I was at work today, I would have hated to have to pick the glass from my TV up from the floor after I threw my remote through it.

[JMCC]

I wish I can say I'm surprised, but this has been a common theme this year. Wagner should be back next Monday, so either the Mets offense steps it up, or they will be in a deeper hole....

[JMCC]

Feliciano with the save today, who will it be tomorrow....

[Mother Shucker]

Philthies lose, I am so upset.....

One game out.

If we could have held on to a couple of those leads.....................

[JMCC]

Yeah, at least a 7 game lead....

[Mother Shucker]

Another win.

Fillies in fighting and losing games left and right.

The world is a better place.

[Mother Shucker]

Filthies two hit tonight. Way to back up your yapping Rollins with an oh fer.:hahaha:

[Mother Shucker]

I am liking the way they are beating teams they are supposed to beat.

[JMCC]

6 in a row and tomorrow they go for the 4 game sweep.

And fuck the Phillies and their front runner fans :action-sm

[JMCC]

Good win.

Perez battling out without his best stuff, if that was 2 months ago, he would've lasted 3 innings with 8 ER. The bullpen throwing three scoreless inning was a good sign, granted it was against the Braves, but still.

[Mother Shucker]

Yeah, I will take that one.

[MilkmanDan]

As a Philly Fan and a Mets Hater, does it really matter who comes out of this division? We're going to get smashed imo.
And believe it or not, I root for whoever comes out of the NL East.

[Mother Shucker]

Dan, I think the Met (starting) pitching can match up with anyone in the NL.

[JMCC]

Not being a homer here, but the Mets have the better chance advancing to the 2nd round than the Phillies. Their just too streaky, if they go in to the playoffs and are on cold streak it will be 3 and out again.

Pelfrey with the complete game, I'm glad Jerry left him in and finish what he started.

And the Mets have finally remember how to hit with the bases loaded, 2nd day in a row they get a hit.

[SwimConnerSwim]

Hopefully they can sweep the Braves today. I don't mind if they win 2 out of 3 against any team, but I love when they sweep the Braves. Hard to believe they are now really a second division team. I laughed my ass off when Chipper Jones had that error last night.

[Mother Shucker]

Another win..........yawn.

[JMCC]

Seems like they wanted to lose the game, why would you walk Beltran and face Delgado?

But I'm not complaining :D

[frankjg]

Nice win..

I'm taking my son to the stadium on Saturday.. anyone else going?

[Mother Shucker]

I aint, I only have one set of tix left. Sept. 10.

[SwimConnerSwim]

Magic number is 33. Projected clinch is at game #161.

[JMCC]

Pelfrey with back to back CG's. You gotta love that.

[Ball of Hate]

5.22 ERA. 1.48 WHIP. 4-3.

Anybody else, and they are cut. Not Pedro.

He is going to be the reason, along with the bullpen, if this team does not make the playoffs. And once again, that is on Omar for not stocking the team.

One thing I do like about Manuel, though, is that this team bounces back after really bad losses under him. Under Randope, they go on a 1-7 stretch. And if they do make the playoffs, you gotta go Johan-Pelfrey-Perez as the 1-2-3.

What do you do with Pedro? Move him to the pen or DFA him and tell him go take a walk? He's D-U-N, DONE.

[fuckwit]

Omar should have been fired midseason (actually long long ago) on principle. Waiting till the offseason gives him a respect he doesnt deserve.

I didnt watch that game last night but can anyone explain the sensibility of intentionally walking the bases loaded in the 13th inning with 0 outs? Especially when your bullpen cant pitch? Id rather play the hits you get and hope for the best. Sounds like Manuel shot himself in the foot last night.

[JMCC]

Tough loss for sure, but Santana pitches tonight, so I like their chances.

And just something I noticed, aside from one series back in April, the Mets have lost the first game to the Phillies every time.

[SwimConnerSwim]

And.... Fuck you very much Philly.. Mets have reclaimed 1st place.

[JMCC]

Good come from behind win. With the way Delgado playing he could have an outside chance of winning MVP. He has hit the most HR's(13) in the NL since the All Star break and most of them have come when the Mets needed it the most.

[Ball of Hate]

a) Sorry, David. Daniel Murphy is my new man-crush. I need a #28 Daaniel Murphy jersey like I need oxygen.

b) Jerry Manuel is the MAN. Get that "interim" tag off of him, Omar. He deserves the job full time.

[Mother Shucker]

What a fucking 9th inning!

Two outs, no one one.

I can hear them crying in Filthydelfia now.

[Ball of Hate]

What a fucking 9th inning!

Two outs, no one one.

I can hear them crying in Filthydelfia now.

If Ayala can't get another out, there will be crying in Queens, too.



Edit:

Phew! :)

[Mother Shucker]

I think all the Wagner haters have come to love him.

[JMCC]

I never understood why some Mets fans got on Billy. Especially when the previous closers were Looper and Benitez. So he isn't Rivera, but then again, who is? When he returns the BP will look much better with Ayala in the 8th, Heilman/Feliciano/Smith/ Sanchez in the 7th.

[Mother Shucker]

Just about every fan of every team has a hate/like relationship with there closer.

[JMCC]

Beltran finally catching fire? if he is, it couldn't have come at a better time...

[JMCC]

Delgado with another clutch HR, what else is new...

Beltran day to day, he said is nothing serious, but the last thing I want to read is Beltran and leg injury in the same sentence.

Niese goes tomorrow, if he's 12 to 6 curve is on, look out. Hopefully the Mets will continue to score in the first and take some pressure off, in any case very excited to see him pitch.

[Mother Shucker]

Beltran getting hurt by the ump is bullshit.

Picked up a game on the philthies, noice.

[Mother Shucker]

The kid is pitching pretty good right now.

[JMCC]

Its all on Ayala now...

[JMCC]

Shit that was way too close, come Ayala one more out...

[Mother Shucker]

Who's afraid of the Big Bad Brew Crew? Not I!

[SwimConnerSwim]

The Mets magic # is 22, with 23 left to play. Projected clinch game is #161. In my estimation, this weekend's series against Philly will probably be the make or break for the division.

[SwimConnerSwim]

b) Jerry Manuel is the MAN. Get that "interim" tag off of him, Omar. He deserves the job full time.

Just to drive this point home, the mets are playing .625 ball under Manuel. Obviously they were playing under .500 with Randolph. By comparison the Cubs are playing .612 for the season. Jerry has earned the job for next year.

[Mother Shucker]

But all the Yankee fans say that Willie was a good manager.....

[Cromwell]

Hey Shuck,

Since this is basically your thread here,

check out what a great and loyal fan this guy is:

http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=90203&page=22

I'm actually thrilled to be finally rid of him and his crybaby nonsense. But, at the same time, I'm thoroughly disgusted at this Benedict Arnold act. :puke:

[JMCC]

Hey, hey , hey, I been posting in this thread just as much as Shuck has :icon_evil :)

I like what i saw from Niese, once he can mix up his pitches more that curve is going to be lethal.

[SwimConnerSwim]

Mets are up 6-0 in the first on a Ryan Church Grand Slam and a Brian Schnieder homer.

[SwimConnerSwim]

And put it in the books. The Mets sweep the Brewers in what may have been a preview of the first round of the playoffs.

[Mother Shucker]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a176/rustytrombone1027/Metssweep.gif

[Mother Shucker]

Anyone know how the Filthies did tonight?

[SwimConnerSwim]

The scumbags from Philly lost. Mets magic # is now 20, and Philly is 3 back. This series coming up is critical. I'd love for the Mets to sweep, but 2 out of 3 would be good too.

[Cromwell]

Hey, hey , hey, I been posting in this thread just as much as Shuck has :icon_evil :)


Alright then - its also the JMCC thread.

I noticed Shucks "who gives a fuck" response . . .

[Mother Shucker]

WTF? Why can't the Mets hit this guy?

[JMCC]

Mets lose the first game of a series vs the Phillies again, so if the trend continues, the Mets should take the next 2...

[Mother Shucker]

Well, this sucks. Why can't we hit these bum pitchers?

[Jerry1]

They're so great but they can't put these damn Phillies away.:huh::mad4::arrrh:

[Mother Shucker]

How fucking far did that Delgado dinger go?

[JMCC]

Delgado is seriously making a push for MVP.

Now its time for the Mets to take advantage of their weak schedule, their next 12 games are against the Nats and Braves.

[Mother Shucker]

Agreed about Delgado, he really has been a pleasant surprise. Nice to get that performance from Johan tonight, I am sure Tom Glavine would have done the same....:rolleyes:

[JOHNNY HAIRDO]

Fucker Wagner to have Tommy John surgery, out till perhaps 2010. That's an option year on his contract. I think we might have seen him in a Met uniform for the last time. Looks I'll be having to keep shitting my pants with this bullpen for the foreseeable futrue.

[Mother Shucker]

Yeah, I hope Maine can come back and fill in as a closer till the off season.

[SwimConnerSwim]

Delgado with a MONSTER of a homerun in the 3rd to put them up 5 to 2 against the Nats. Phillies down by 6 in their game.

[SwimConnerSwim]

This is going to be a slug fest. I wouldn't be suprised if the score ended up in the double digits on this one.

[Mother Shucker]

Boy, did Ollie shit the bed tonight or what?

[SwimConnerSwim]

Delgado is making up for it. another huge homer. Hopefully it settles down on the pitching end of things.

[Mother Shucker]

Uh, I hope (after we win the World Series of course), Delgado gets in a horrific car crash ending his career. I am sick of Met fans showing tons of love, giving curtain call cheers, chanting MVP, just to have this douche snub them (us) and get a drink of whater and take a seat.

[SwimConnerSwim]

The Mets win, Phils lose. I believe that brings the magic # to 16.

[fandango86]

Uh, I hope (after we win the World Series of course), Delgado gets in a horrific car crash ending his career. I am sick of Met fans showing tons of love, giving curtain call cheers, chanting MVP, just to have this douche snub them (us) and get a drink of whater and take a seat.

If there's any justice, the other car in that accident will be yours. He gave a curtain call after the second bomb on Sunday Night. I enjoy his professional attitude. Doesn't stand there and gawk at it, doesn't show up the other team. Just runs the bases, high fives his teammates, and pulls out his journal to record the At Bat so he can do it again next time. Yeah, he's terrible. Love like yours he don't need.

[Mother Shucker]

If there's any justice, the other car in that accident will be yours.

Well, that was just mean.

Yeah, real professional. "I refuse to stand for the American National Anthem". He hates us tool. He was such a cunt about being booed when he was hitting .210. THAT is why he does not come out. Everyone on the bench tells him to. For fucks sake, they stood and chanted MVP for four fucking pitches waiting for his spic ass. Fuck him, and I hope it is your mom in the other car.

[JMCC]

Who cares whether Delgado came out for the curtain call or not, what matters is he's hitting.

Pelfrey should get the win tonight, especially since he has pitched well against teams below .500.

[SwimConnerSwim]

Reyes now has the team record for stolen bases at 282. He made it 283 by stealing third a minute later.

[JMCC]

Ayala with the save again, i have faith in this guy. The lead is now 3.5 with about 17 to play, the Mets control their destiny...

And it looks like Beltran, Wright, Reyes and Delgado are all getting hot, if they can maintain the momentum for the next 2 months, looks out MLB!!!

[Mother Shucker]

Just got home from the game. Could we beat a shit team a little easier? Meh, we won, Philthies lost, all is well.

[Mother Shucker]

Oh, and I got two balls during BP (no, not on my chin). Took one home for my youngest, and made some 7 year old's day/week/maybe month (no Uncle Paul jokes either.).

[Palerider4146]

Great point was made on WFAN by Beningo yesterday, with Philly playing the Brewers, and with the mets ahead of the Phillies and 1/2 game behind the Brewers in the wild card, its a great scenarion for us because we would gain on one of them no matter who wins. I would still prefer to gain on Philly of course.

[Mother Shucker]

Me with second BP ball:

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a176/rustytrombone1027/Mets-Nats9-10-08018.jpg

[Mother Shucker]

Great job by Niese to save the split.

[Fred Told Me]

Everybody will point to the awful bullpen for the Mets troubles. And don't get me wrong they are awful. But the main reason the Mets keep losing these kind of games is because they absolutely refuse to tack on insurance runs late in games. Both these awful losses to the Braves, the Mets had many oppurtunities with 2 or 3 men on and 0 or 1 out and fail to score. They need to turn these 2 run leads into 4 or 5 run leads with this shaky bullpen. Stop being satisfied with a 2 run lead.

On the positive side, the Mets have had a handful of these awful devastating losses, and yet everytime they seem to rebound and play well right after it. So let's hope they can do it again. Need to take at least 3 out of 4 Washington and 2 out of 3 in Atlanta. No messing around.

[JMCC]

That's been the theme the whole year, score early and just go on cruise control after that...

Down to a 1 game lead, the Mets need to take care of the Nats and it all starts tonight with Pedro.

[JMCC]

Umm wtf happen tonight??? not the way they wanted to start the road trip.

Martinez couldn't do it, we'll see if Pelfrey can...

[frankjg]

Oh God.. I cant take it anymore. I'm so sick of this same shit every September.

[Mother Shucker]

This is painful.

[Ball of Hate]

Remember back in March/April/May, when the pain of the 2007 Collapse was still fresh in everybody's minds and hearts, and they played like shit, and got booed out of the building every night and bitched about on WFAN all day and all night???

They bitched and cried and blamed the fans for being negative. They played half asleep. They didn't show up for games. They didn't hustle, couldn't pitch, couldn't hit, couldn't run the bases, couldn't play defense, and couldn't give two shits less, but they blamed the FANS for everything that was going wrong.

The hell with them. They seem to think that the baseball season is 145 games long, and each game is 7 innings long. They lost any and all credibilty they may have had, and lost the right to feel offended when they get booed. Play the season through. Don't quit. Win the Division. Then come back to us.

[frankjg]

in-fucking-credible

[JMCC]

Don't know what to say, how can the whole team go cold all of a sudden?

Unreal....

[Mother Shucker]

Ground hogs day anyone?

[Papagolash]

Looks like I'm going to have to forget there's baseball past August and focus on hockey and football instead.

Fucking Mets.

[Budyzir]

Ground hogs day anyone?

So freaking true!

[JMCC]

The offense finally arrived, crazy how as Reyes goes, so do the Mets.

It seems like every time Santana pitches is a "must win" and tomorrow is no different, a split is a must and he needs to at least pitch into the 7th to give the BP some rest.

[JMCC]

On a lighter note...

If you are going to get drunk and pass out in a public place, Shea Stadium might not be the best place to do it.

One fan during the second game of a doubleheader in Queens learned this the hard way when he apparently passed out in his box seat after enjoying a few too many cold ones.

In a YouTube video that's turning into an Internet sensation, the unlucky fan can be seen in his Shea Stadium seat with a half-empty beer in his hands and an empty beer cup stacked on his head.

But that was just the beginning.

In the nearly ten minute video another unidentified fan can be seen stacking empty cups on his head while hundreds of fans cheer him on and take pictures.

Talk about a doubleheader hangover.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdnImqDmLqk

[JMCC]

And Santana delivered as expected.

[SwimConnerSwim]

I'd like to see them win the division, but I'll settle for the wild card. It has been a back door to the world series more then once since it started being used.