Official UFC 82 Discussion Thread

[Capt.Caveman]

I'm 3 hours and 37 minutes early but I figured I'd get it started. Hendo looks a lil slim. I may just be used to him at 205 though.

[Cromwell]

I'm down for this, caveman.

Will be back to chat about the fights as they are happening.

[Capt.Caveman]

Here's the whole card for tonite and their weights


MAIN CARD

Anderson Silva (185) vs. Dan Henderson (184.5)
Heath Herring (248) vs. Cheick Kongo (233.5)
Chris Leben (185) vs. Alessio Sakara (185)
Yushin Okami (184.5) vs. Evan Tanner (185)
Jon Fitch (170) vs. Chris Wilson (169.5)

PRELIMINARY CARD

Andrei Arlovski (241) vs. Jake O’Brien (231.5)
Luke Cummo (170) vs. Luigi Fioravanti (170.5)
Dustin Hazelett (170) vs. Josh Koscheck (169.5)
David Bielkheden (170) vs. Diego Sanchez (169.5)
Jorge Gurgel (154.5) vs. John Halverson (155)

[Cromwell]

Here's the play-by-play and results so far:


Jorge Gurgel vs. John Halverson
Round 1
Gurgel started the bout with plenty of low kicks with a few punches from the outside mixed in. Halverson looked to counter, and landed a decent combo halfway through the opening frame. Gurgel worked for a takedown against the fence, and Halverson reacted by pulling guard with a guillotine choke. Gurgel freed his head and pounded from the top position for the rest of the round. 10-9 for Gurgel.

Round 2
A head kick from Gurgel glanced off Halverson's head and glove but it got a nice pop from the crowd. Again, Halverson pulled guard with a guillotine, but Gurgel was free before the fighters hit the floor. From the top, Gurgel teed off and looked close to scoring a stoppage as referee Dan Miragliotta warned Halverson to defend better or get moving. After Gurgel seemingly punched himself out, the fatigued fighter moved to side-control and setup an armbar. Halverson cleared the legs and found himself on top with 15 seconds remaining in the round. He landed some decent shots but it was not enough to steal the round. 10-9 Gurgel.

Round 3
Halverson landed some good leather early in the third, backing Gurgel up with some stiff punches. Two minutes in the stanza, the fighters clinched and Gurgel took the top position after Halverson gave up an easy takedown. Gurgel controlled from the top without inflicting any damage, which prompted the referee to stand the fighters up. Halverson landed another decent punch on Gurgel before time expired. 10-9 Halverson.

The official judges scored the contest, 29-28 (twice) and 30-27, all for Jorge Gurgel.

Diego Sanchez vs. David Bielkheden
Round 1
Diego Sanchez rushed out and got a fast takedown in the opening seconds of the bout. Sanchez worked from the top with punches and elbows, but Bielkheden defended well. Sanchez moved to half-guard and looked for a Kimura, then jumped to mount after his opponent defended. Sanchez started slow from the dominant position but turned it up with 30 seconds left in the round. After eating several hard punches, the Swede fighter tapped out due to punishment at the 4:43 mark of the first.

Mark Coleman was just inducted to the UFC hall of fame.

Dustin Hazelett vs. Josh Koscheck
Round 1
Fireworks right off the bat as Hazelett landed a head kick that backed Koscheck up to the fencing. Hazelett followed with a knee to the head that scored. Koscheck fired back and landed some good leather. Hazelett locked up a standing guillotine as Koscheck looked for a takedown. Koscheck escaped and threw some wild haymakers that glanced of Hazelett's head. Koscheck scooped up Hazelett and took him down, but was caught in a lose triangle as the round ended. Close round that goes to Koscheck, 10-9.

Round 2
A stiff left landed for Koscheck to get the second frame underway. Koscheck circled and dug to the body with hard punches. Koscheck then fired a head kick that hurt Hazelett and knocked him down. Koscheck, who stumbled throwing the kick, got up and finished Hazelett with a vicious right hand and a few more power shots. Referee Herb Dean stepped in to save Hazelett at 1:24 of the second round.

Luke Cummo vs. Luigi Fioravanti
Round 1
Some sloppy standup is played out through the first minute of round one. Luigi got a body-lock takedown but was unable to hold Cummo down. Luigi dropped levels and scored a quick single-leg, but again he could not keep Cummo on the floor. Showing his huge power advantage, Fioravanti executed a beautiful belly-to-back suplex. In the final seconds of the round, Cummo got back to his feet but was taken back down with an inside trip. 10-9 Fioravanti.

Round 2
The second round is a carbon copy of the first, with Fioravanti scoring takedowns of all sorts; doubles and singles, trips and body-locks. Cummo refused to be held down, but was unable to mount offense of any sort, save for a brief moment spent in the top position after he swept Fioravanti during a trip attempt. 10-9 for Luigi Fioravanti.

Round 3
Just like the two previous rounds, Fioravanti continued to dominate with his wrestling. The final period saw Luigi score four takedowns without inflicting any damage or real offense through the course of the bout. Cummo had no answer for Fioravanti's strength, and the Sherdog.com scorecard reflected that with a 30-27 score.

All three official judges agreed with scores of 30-27 for Luigi Fioravanti.

[Capt.Caveman]

I'm 3-4 so far. I had cummo

[Capt.Caveman]

ANDREI ARLOVSKI VS. JAKE O’BRIEN

ROUND 1 — O’Brien with the early takedown attempt, but Arlovski fends it off and nearly locks in a guillotine choke. The fighers clinch against the fence before Arlovski punches his way into some distance. O’Brien again shoots, but Arlovski’s sprawl proves effective, and again, the former champ nearly catches his opponent with a choke. Back to the center of the cage, the fighters trade jabs before Arlovski sprawls out of another takedown attempt. O’Brien fakes a shoot and catches Arlovski out of position and finally gets in his opponent’s guard. Working from the top, O’Brien looks to ground and pound, but Arlovski keeps him largely tied up for the final minute-plus of the fight. Arlovski, though, sneaks in an elbow and cuts O’Brien on the top of his head as the bell sounds. It’s not exactly a barnburner as O’Brien takes it on control, 10-9.

ROUND 2 — Arlovski works some jabs and a leg kick before sprawling free of O’Brien’s shoot. O’Brien just misses on an overhand right and again is unsuccessful with the subsequent sprawl. The stand-up starts to slow, and Arlovski stuffs a lazy takedown attempt from O’Brien. Back to the center of the cage, Arlovski lands some leg kicks and O’B rien pops him with fairly ineffective jabs. O’Brien shoots low and Arlovski can’t defend. O’Brien is back in his opponent’s guard. Once there, though, Arlovski again ties him up and avoids damage. Arlovski eventually gets back to his feet, but Arlovski sends him backward with a trip takedown. Arlovski’s now in mount raining down punches and elbows. The crowd comes alive as the assault kicks into high gear. The ref has finally had enough and halts it. Andrei Arlovski defeats Jake O’Brien by TKO (strikes) at 4:17 of the second round.

[Capt.Caveman]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's starting

i'm 4-5 so far

Fitch, Okami, Herring, Leben(even though I hate him) and Silva are the rest of my pics

[Cromwell]

Oooh - Fitch-Wison next.

[Capt.Caveman]

these 2 could be brothers

[Capt.Caveman]

close one wilson def won the striking but the 2 takedowns may push the round to fitch

[Cromwell]

I also agree with Rogan that I don't like the refs knee-jerk standup. Fitch had good position after the first takedown and was working towards something.

UFC - please don't turn this into boxing only.

[Capt.Caveman]

fitch dominated this round

[Cromwell]

Nice ending. Wilson tried to get the triangle choke there.

But - Fitch wins this.

[Capt.Caveman]

i got it 29-28 for fitch. i'll give wilson round 1 but 2 and 3 were all fitch

[Cromwell]

It was a real good fight. Did you see they just showed Serra and Faber there?

[Capt.Caveman]

why'd they boo serra

[Save My Up's Dick]

Thanks Crom.:action-sm

[GDRC]

why'd they boo serra

They are in Ohio, Hughes country, aka they're all rednecks.

[Capt.Caveman]

coleman vs lesner wow!!!

[Cromwell]

Thanks Crom.:action-sm

No problem, buddy.

Wow - Mark Coleman vs Brock Lesnar - just announced!

[Save My Up's Dick]

I also agree with Rogan that I don't like the refs knee-jerk standup. Fitch had good position after the first takedown and was working towards something.

UFC - please don't turn this into boxing only.
Spoken like a true wrestler.

[Capt.Caveman]

Tanner vs Okami up next

[Cromwell]

They are in Ohio, Hughes country, aka they're all rednecks.

Well, Serra always gets a pass in the NY area - so I'm glad to see the midwest sticking up for Hughes.

Did you just see the promo for St. Pierre/Serra? Looks like GSP is working up a real grudge. I don't see how Serra will be able to re-create his fluke win again.

OK - now we've got Tanner v. Okami. Don't count Evan out. He looks pretty fit and nobody's got more ring experience.

[Cromwell]

Spoken like a true wrestler.

I've added strikes and ju jitz to my game now too. :icon_cool

[Save My Up's Dick]

I've added strikes and ju jitz to my game now too. :icon_cool
I know....remembered after I posted:icon_wink


Wow, no crazy hair for Tanner.

[Cromwell]

Wow, no crazy hair for Tanner.

He looks good - but Okami probably gets that round because of that straight left hand that caught him and knocked him down.

You'd think Tanner would be ready for that - as Franklin (and I ) are also southpaws
:icon_cool

[Capt.Caveman]

Tanner looked pretty good. not bad for 2 years off. Okami gets the round though. 2 years ago I prob would have picked tanner to win but 2 years is a long lay off

[Save My Up's Dick]

He looks good, nice recovery from the straight left.

[Capt.Caveman]

WOIW Nice knee

[Cromwell]

Wow.

The clinch and knee does the job.

Nice fight for Okami

[Save My Up's Dick]

Wow, nice.

[Save My Up's Dick]

Rance!

[Capt.Caveman]

Leben vs Sakara's up. I hate Leben but I think he'll win this one

[Capt.Caveman]

Car Crash..cringe..stick to fighting stupid.

[Cromwell]

Rance!

Fight Night headliner! :icon_wink

Leben vs Sakara's up. I hate Leben but I think he'll win this one

He's a wiseass, but I respect him as a fighter.

That said, Sakara could take this one as well.

[Save My Up's Dick]

Leben vs Sakara's up. I hate Leben but I think he'll win this one
X2, maybe Sakara will kick his ass.

[Cromwell]

I don't really care who wins. I just want to see a good fight :)

[Cromwell]

I forgot that Leben is a southpaw too.

I'm now rooting for him :)

[Capt.Caveman]

yea that's how i thought it would go down

[Cromwell]

Leben would have killed him if they hadn't stopped it. That left is a jackhammer.

[Capt.Caveman]

wow silvas now the underdog

[Save My Up's Dick]

Leben would have killed him if they hadn't stopped it. That left is a jackhammer.
True, it could have been let go for a bit longer but it would have been the same outcome.

[Capt.Caveman]

herring kongo up soon. herring better take him down and pound him out. this dumb redneck better not try to bang with him

[Capt.Caveman]

ok joe we get it rob kaymen is tough......(wavyguy)

[Capt.Caveman]

kongo is black and french so is he better at running away

[Cromwell]

That Cheick Kongo is one big knitter!

[Capt.Caveman]

did his witchdoctor write this song

[Capt.Caveman]

cause back in the day the slave owners bred their big black with another big black

[Cromwell]

cause back in the day the slave owners bred their big black with another big black

Just ask Jimmy The Greek.

If you had bred Oprah with Hershel Walker - you'd get a helluva laborer :icon_mrgr

[Capt.Caveman]

herring's just getting outclassed. kongo is out wrestling him

[Cromwell]

I don't think so. Herring pounded him with knees all throughout this round. I think Herring is winning.

[Capt.Caveman]

close fight but illl give it to kongo 29-28 but it could go either way

[Save My Up's Dick]

I don't think so. Herring pounded him with knees all throughout this round. I think Herring is winning.
Agreed. Herring

[Capt.Caveman]

I don't think so. Herring pounded him with knees all throughout this round. I think Herring is winning.

he kept getting swept and losing position on all the scrambles

[Cromwell]

Yeah, baby!

Herring!

I told you!

[Cromwell]

he kept getting swept and losing position on all the scrambles

*all* the scrambles?

Did we both watch the same fight?

Herring kept getting out of the ground scrambles and winding up on top.

[Capt.Caveman]

Yeah, baby!

Herring!

I told you!

i said it can go either way. round 1 kongo round 3 herring round 2 was the close one. i just thought herring was losing the wrestling. i picked him from the begining so i'm happy he won

[Capt.Caveman]

*all* the scrambles?

Did we both watch the same fight?

Herring kept getting out of the ground scrambles and winding up on top.

in the 2nd round he was losing the scambles and getting swept. not in round 3

[Cromwell]

OK - we are now at the main event.

Tough one to call. I'd like to see Henderson take it - just to make this division interesting again.

[Capt.Caveman]

i gotta go with silva.

[Cromwell]

I'm totally psyched for this one!

[Save My Up's Dick]

OK - we are now at the main event.

Tough one to call. I'd like to see Henderson take it - just to make this division interesting again.
Same here Crom, I want to see Henderson win this but I think Silva will.

[Capt.Caveman]

this should be a war. i'm going with silva by sub in the 3rd

[Capt.Caveman]

silva had orangatang arms

[Cromwell]

Rogan: "If I was watching at home I'd be yelling obsenities at my tv right now" - lol! :)

[Capt.Caveman]

hendo wins rd 1

[Cromwell]

Damn right. Round 1 to Henderson. Those hammer fists were right on the temple.

That's the most punishment Silva has taken since he's gotten to the UFC.

Matt Lindland cornering Hendo!

[Steam]

I'm hoping for a win for Henderson.

[Save My Up's Dick]

Rogan: "If I was watching at home I'd be yelling obsenities at my tv right now" - lol! :)
:haha7:

Damn right. Round 1 to Henderson. Those hammer fists were right on the temple.

That's the most punishment Silva has taken since he's gotten to the UFC.

Matt Lindland cornering Hendo!
Yup, nice round by Hendo.

[GDRC]

Holy Shit, Silva is incredible.

[Cromwell]

Hendo got a little too overconfident. He actually took Silva into the clinch and tried to trade with him there.

Now he's hanging on for his dear life.

[GDRC]

No one can beat the Spider.

[Capt.Caveman]

WWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !RNC round 2!!!!!

[Cromwell]

Silva is just amazing.

He has so many different skills. Its stunning.

[Save My Up's Dick]

Incredible

[Capt.Caveman]

there has to be a rematch. Hendo was in that fight the whole time. I went 9-10 on the night. god damn luke cummo!!!Well I gots to go to bed. I got an early training session tomorrow. preparing for NAGA

[Steam]

Damn. Will this lead to more people shitting on Pride?

[Capt.Caveman]

night boys

[Capt.Caveman]

Damn. Will this lead to more people shitting on Pride?

gotta answer this before i go to bed. silva is from pride and so is rampage

[Cromwell]

there has to be a rematch. Hendo was in that fight the whole time.


He had a great game plan and was executing perfectly - until he got cocky and actually took the Spider into the clinch. What the hell was he thinking. He rocked him there - and then Hendo was just trying to hang on to get his wits back. But - Silva has just as good of a ground game - and just squeezed him like a snake. This guy is like Royce Gracie in his prime.



Well I gots to go to bed. I got an early training session tomorrow. preparing for NAGA

Good luck with your training, man.

[Save My Up's Dick]

night boys
Later Das

[Steam]

gotta answer this before i go to bed. silva is from pride and so is rampage

I know. But its still something we heard after some of the other fights such as Cro Cop.

[Cromwell]

Ah, cool. We get to see the Koschek match.

[DJ Evel Ed]

Great fights!

Crowd seems dead during the Rogan interviews..

[Save My Up's Dick]

84 looks good, some good fights coming up.

Later guys

[mendozathejew]

Hendo has the ability to beat Anderson. I never thought that was in question. If he wanted to keep anderson on the mat, for all 15 minutes, he could have done it it. Anderson is much improved, every time out. But If hendo wanted to wrestle him to the ground at the start of every round, he could have. But most of assumed he would do exactly what he did do which was mix it up ALOT before going for takedowns

the other thing about Anderson Silva- he did exactly what he did to Franklin the first time. The moment he got hit with a good punch, he punished them and ended the fight. When Rich Franklin nailed Anderson silva with a hook in the first fight, Silva turned his speed up 50% and immediately destroyed him. Hendo did the same thing, only a MUCH harder right hand. it didnt even budge him, and he promptly whooped Hendos ass.

Its going to take a dedicated wrestler to beat him. I think Matt Lindland absolutely would win. But we wont ever see that fight. It would be an extremely boring fight. and I cant blame the UFC for not making it.



for anyone who missed it
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ARKUMA2T

[Capt.Caveman]

Hendo has the ability to beat Anderson. I never thought that was in question. If he wanted to keep anderson on the mat, for all 15 minutes, he could have done it it. Anderson is much improved, every time out. But If hendo wanted to wrestle him to the ground at the start of every round, he could have. But most of assumed he would do exactly what he did do which was mix it up ALOT before going for takedowns

the other thing about Anderson Silva- he did exactly what he did to Franklin the first time. The moment he got hit with a good punch, he punished them and ended the fight. When Rich Franklin nailed Anderson silva with a hook in the first fight, Silva turned his speed up 50% and immediately destroyed him. Hendo did the same thing, only a MUCH harder right hand. it didnt even budge him, and he promptly whooped Hendos ass.

Its going to take a dedicated wrestler to beat him. I think Matt Lindland absolutely would win. But we wont ever see that fight. It would be an extremely boring fight. and I cant blame the UFC for not making it.



for anyone who missed it
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ARKUMA2T

Slow down. Lindland is a great fighter but Silvas on a different level. I think it will be a good fight and Lindland will have a chance but IMO Hendo is a better fighter than Lindland. Hendo deserves a rematch no question. And after rush gets thru Serra and fitch a catch weight match may be another blockbuster fight. Okami or Hendo2 has to be Silvas next fight

[Capt.Caveman]

Good luck with your training, man.




Thanks Crom, my weight loss has stalemated but I'm still going 100mph. I fucked up my ankle so I can't run I have to do the bike for a lil while

[burky79]

I wish I could have posted, while watching last night, but every time I did anything with a web browser, it slowed down my connection too much and it got all choppy.

Great fights... I simply can't afford to go to this shit.

----

I also had to endure my Girlfriends brother going to the fight...

He got offered a ticket on Friday, by a friend who obviously does well financially. He said he was about 30 yards from the ring and the tickets were over $400, which he didn't have to pay anything for!

Good for him, I think he had a great time (never heard from him after the televised fights started)... but damn, why can't that happen to a guy like me, who has been watching and following the sport for years?!

At any rate... enough whining. I thought Hendo was making bad decisions too... what was he thinking?! I also like how Spider said Franklin was the best fighter he's faced in the octagon... that wa a Hendo slap, but deserved for his stupid choices.

Herring looked more confident than ever and didn't gas as in previous bouts. Good for him and I hope he becomes a long lasting force at HW. He made a great choice listening to his corner and "exploding" from stops. Smart fight and much promise.

Leben... I have liked his style/attitude from day 1 (sorry), since he backs it up. He is always exciting to watch.

Evan got popped... I think he can recover from it. He has a great past and needs to focus on regaining that old glory.

I'm glad they televised Kos' fight as I am a big fan of his... is he balding btw? (not like my thinning top can talk), but just noticed the right side of his forehead is getting bigger. At any rate... good stoppage.

Fitch and Wilson was great, but why stand up a good ground fight... they didn't even get time to move into position?

I really want to see Diego's fight, if anyone has a 20 on it.

[JMCC]

Great fights. Leben's chin is unreal, he was getting hit with clean shots and he just kept coming forward.

Kongo/Herring was ok, I was hoping they would stand up and bang, but I guess after Kongo got hit at the start of the first he changed his game plan....

As for Hendo and Silva, had Henderson followed the same gameplan he had on the first round he would've had a better chance, but he got cocky and went to the clinch, he almost made it out of the round, but the way Silva was squezzing, it looked like his eyes were going to pop out. Hopefully a rematch is in the works, cause Hendo can definetly beat him.

[mendozathejew]

Slow down. Lindland is a great fighter but Silvas on a different level. I think it will be a good fight and Lindland will have a chance but IMO Hendo is a better fighter than Lindland. Hendo deserves a rematch no question. And after rush gets thru Serra and fitch a catch weight match may be another blockbuster fight. Okami or Hendo2 has to be Silvas next fight

lindland can follow a game plan, hendo doesnt. Hendo is more talented with more tools. But Lindland is smarter and would keep the fight on the ground every round. He gave Rampage hell fighting like that