DOUCHE Michigan congressman wants to raise gas

[commish13]

BY FIFTY FUCKING CENTS

FoxNews dot com (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,339589,00.html)

Polls show that a majority of Americans support policies that would reduce greenhouse gases. But when it comes to paying for it, it's a different story.

Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., wants to help cut consumption with a gas tax but some don't agree with the idea, according to a new poll by the National Center for Public Policy Research.

The poll, scheduled to be released on Thursday, shows 48 percent don't support paying even a penny more, 28 percent would pay up to 50 cents more, 10 percent would pay more than 50 cents and 8 percent would pay more than a dollar.

"I don't want to pay more, I don't think anyone wants to," said Karen Deacon, a motorist.

"I think that wouldn't make any sense," said Frankie Hoe, a motorist. "Ugh ... who's making the money from all this and where is that money going? Is it going to go green? I don't see any green things anywhere."

Oil companies are making more right now than they ever have in fucking history. The consumer isn't the problem, assbag. It's not our fault it's essential.

[Kris_LTRMa]

Obama, Clinton & McCain all support some type of system that either directly or indirectly will raise prices...

Whether or or not this a-hole gets his wish, we're going to get hit harder than we're already getting hit. Supposedly it's to save the planet, but with the oil industry being a HUGE lobby in Washington, I doubt that's the reason.

Time for a change? Only change I foresee is the change that's going to be in my pocket. No paper money, just a few pennies

[commish13]

I'm not voting for any of them anyway. I'm reserved to the fact that unless there's a massive upheaval, nothing will change for the better within any of our lifetimes. So it ain't worth it to vote. There's no "lesser evil" they all just suck in their own equally awful ways.

[seeinred]

Dingell is a fucking cunt. At least I'm not in his district.

[ChuckiesChalupa]

What more would you expect from a guy with the last name of Dingell?

The congressman needs to focus more on the lack of work, and pathetic state of this here gay mitten, rather than find ways to make it even harder to live here!

I'm not voting for any of them anyway. I'm reserved to the fact that unless there's a massive upheaval, nothing will change for the better within any of our lifetimes. So it ain't worth it to vote. There's no "lesser evil" they all just suck in their own equally awful ways.

Totally agree

[Newmania]

Boy, its a good thing they interviewed those motorists to get their opinions. The story would have been nothing without them.

[Hey_Asshole]

How is it our fault that government, industry, and technology have held off on more fuel efficient vehicles for so long. Why do we have to pay now. There have been ways for years, but nothing solid has been offered to the consumer. A simple tweak to a PCM on a car can change the gas mileage greatly, but for years not one auto company would do it. Now that consumers are becoming more aware, the same car, with the same engine that was sold 3 years ago, now suddenly gets 10mpg better....wtf.

[BravoSierra]

I haven't bought a tank of gas since December 26th. Raise it all you want motherfuckers! BWAHAHAHAHA!

[ChuckiesChalupa]

How is it our fault that government, industry, and technology have held off on more fuel efficient vehicles for so long. Why do we have to pay now. There have been ways for years, but nothing solid has been offered to the consumer. A simple tweak to a PCM on a car can change the gas mileage greatly, but for years not one auto company would do it. Now that consumers are becoming more aware, the same car, with the same engine that was sold 3 years ago, now suddenly gets 10mpg better....wtf.

The sad thing is that ethenol for flex fuel cars was taken over by the oil tycoons as well so even though its a bit cheaper, its not as cheap as it was meant to be....

Along with that the stupid hybrids that runn off batteries have turned out to be more expensive in the end as well...Then they took the perks away when you own one and get your little tax perk for owning one...

They introduce the options then find a way to fuck you anyways....

::hammer:

[Jerry1]

I haven't bought a tank of gas since December 26th. Raise it all you want motherfuckers! BWAHAHAHAHA!

What do you do? Walk? Mass transit? Get a ride from other people? Have a car that runs on water?(If so, then expect a visit from a certain colonel, LILO!)

It will affect you no matter what. You know all those nice things and food you like to buy. Most of it gets by truck. So if the price of fuel goes up then it costs more to deliver stuff. And the cost to deliver it goes to the retailers who raise their prices to cover the higher delivery costs.

So no matter what, we're all affected.

[Nortonsmeatytit]

Click the link below and check out "assets & unearned income", this fucknozzle has never worked an honest days living in his life, also sucks business PAC cock pretty hard.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/pfd2006/N00001783_2006.pdf

[TheTruth]

Oil companies do make absurd profits. But the Government makes even more. Oil companies make an average profit of about 10 cents on every gallon of gas. In NY for example the tax on each gallon of gas is well over 50 cents.

[ChuckiesChalupa]

What do you do? Walk? Mass transit? Get a ride from other people? Have a car that runs on water?(If so, then expect a visit from a certain colonel, LILO!)

It will affect you no matter what. You know all those nice things and food you like to buy. Most of it gets by truck. So if the price of fuel goes up then it costs more to deliver stuff. And the cost to deliver it goes to the retailers who raise their prices to cover the higher delivery costs.

So no matter what, we're all affected.

No shit! Had anything shipped to you lately? The cost of that is redickUlis:arrrh:

[Schmed]

Time to start hitting that 3.3 trillion bbl reserve we have as "Oil Shale" in the Green River basin. WTF are we waiting for, $200/bbl oil ?

Reserves

Main article: Oil shale reserves

Although oil shale resources occur in many countries, only 33 countries possess deposits of possible economic value.[15][16] The largest deposits in the world are found in the United States in the Green River basin, which covers portions of Colorado, Utah, and Wyoming; about 70 % of this resource is located on federally-owned or managed land.[17] Total world resources of oil shale were estimated in 2005 at 411 gigatons (411 x 109 tonnes), which is enough to yield 2.8 to 3.3 trillion (2.8 to 3.3 x 1012) U.S. barrels.[3][4][5][6] Among those, the United States accounts for 62 % of world resources; together, the United States, Russia and Brazil account for 86 % of the world's resources in terms of shale oil content.[15] These figures are considered tentative, as several deposits have not yet been explored.[7][18]


http://www.dailyreckoning.com/rpt/OilShale.html

[Kris_LTRMa]

Oil companies do make absurd profits. But the Government makes even more. Oil companies make an average profit of about 10 cents on every gallon of gas. In NY for example the tax on each gallon of gas is well over 50 cents.

Oil companies are making more than 10 cents/gallon. The gas station owners make 5 - 10 cents, the rest goes to the oil company.

This is a basic breakdown that I found on the interwebz
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/gas-price1.htm

Taxes = 14%
Distribution & Marketing = 8%
Refining = 28%
Crude oil = 50%

[Treat_Yourself]

Time to start hitting that 3.3 trillion bbl reserve we have as "Oil Shale" in the Green River basin. WTF are we waiting for, $200/bbl oil ?

Reserves

Main article: Oil shale reserves

Although oil shale resources occur in many countries, only 33 countries possess deposits of possible economic value.[15][16] The largest deposits in the world are found in the United States in the Green River basin, which covers portions of Colorado, Utah, and Wyoming; about 70 % of this resource is located on federally-owned or managed land.[17] Total world resources of oil shale were estimated in 2005 at 411 gigatons (411 x 109 tonnes), which is enough to yield 2.8 to 3.3 trillion (2.8 to 3.3 x 1012) U.S. barrels.[3][4][5][6] Among those, the United States accounts for 62 % of world resources; together, the United States, Russia and Brazil account for 86 % of the world's resources in terms of shale oil content.[15] These figures are considered tentative, as several deposits have not yet been explored.[7][18]


http://www.dailyreckoning.com/rpt/OilShale.html

Isn't the problem with tar sands and oil shale that the cost of turning it into useable petrolium is so high it's cheaper to pay $100 or more for a barrel of crude pumped out of ordinary oil wells?

[Jimmy's Dignity]

I haven't bought a tank of gas since December 26th. Raise it all you want motherfuckers! BWAHAHAHAHA!

DUI, huh? When's your 90 days up?

[TheTruth]

Oil companies are making more than 10 cents/gallon. The gas station owners make 5 - 10 cents, the rest goes to the oil company.

This is a basic breakdown that I found on the interwebz
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/gas-price1.htm

Taxes = 14%
Distribution & Marketing = 8%
Refining = 28%
Crude oil = 50%

Yeah the oil companies might be getting the bulk per gallon of gas, but they are only making minimal amounts on each gallon. Just because they get say $1.00 out of a $2.00 gallon of gas doesn't mean that is all profit.

Your breakdown says what goes into making up what the price is, not what is made on each gallon.

[Kris_LTRMa]

Yeah the oil companies might be getting the bulk per gallon of gas, but they are only making minimal amounts on each gallon. Just because they get say $1.00 out of a $2.00 gallon of gas doesn't mean that is all profit.

Your breakdown says what goes into making up what the price is, not what is made on each gallon.


From NPR: (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5365439)
The biggest factor in rising costs is the price of crude oil, followed by the cost of refining.

If a gallon of gasoline costs $2.90 (this week's average, according to the Energy Department), crude oil accounts for about $1.60. The cost of crude oil on the futures market has risen about 33 percent in the last year. This reflects supply problems in such places as Nigeria, Iraq and the Gulf of Mexico, as well as the threat of supply problems in Iran.

Refining costs add another 64 cents or so to a gallon of gasoline. Refining margins have increased from a few years ago, and are especially high this spring, because many refineries are currently shut down for seasonal maintenance. Refineries are still recovering from the effects of last year's hurricanes. And they are adjusting to more stringent low-sulfur fuel requirements and the phase-out of the gasoline additive MTBE.

The balance of the price is taxes -- about 55 cents -- and distribution and marketing costs, which account for about 11 cents per gallon. ....

Big oil companies are making most of their money by producing crude oil. They invested in oil fields when prices were much lower, with the expectation that they could break even at, say, $25 per barrel. Since the market price is now more than $70 a barrel, the extra money is gravy. It's like a farmer who can raise corn for $1.50 a bushel. If the market price is $1.75, he makes a quarter per bushel. If the market price jumps to $2.25, his profits jump as well. (If the market crashes to $1 per bushel, the farmer loses money. That can happen to oil companies as well.)

[Voss's Tumor]

Exxon Mobile posted record profits and profit margins at over 65% over-all in 2007, and received over $20 Billion is subsidies from the US government which was going to be prevented but Bush threatened to veto the bill if it was added.

Just going to keep posting that fact in each of these threads.

[Schmed]

Isn't the problem with tar sands and oil shale that the cost of turning it into useable petrolium is so high it's cheaper to pay $100 or more for a barrel of crude pumped out of ordinary oil wells?

I believe an Israeli developed an "In situ" method, whereas they can do it for $30/bbl.

[wes mantooth]

Exxon Mobile posted record profits and profit margins at over 65% over-all in 2007, and received over $20 Billion is subsidies from the US government which was going to be prevented but Bush threatened to veto the bill if it was added.

Just going to keep posting that fact in each of these threads.


Wow, a politician rewarding a backer. Shocking I know...

Let's look at the candidate for change:

Archer Daniels Midland is the largest agribusiness in the world. Like Obama they are headquartered in Illinois. ADM is now enjoying record profits thanks to meat-eating Chinks and our moronic ethanol policies. They also receive huge subsidies from the government and have for many years. They are also the largest contributor to Barack Obama. This of course makes Obama one of the leading cheerleaders of ethanol.

Why aren't more people outraged? Food is almost as expensive as oil to the average family these days. I guess it's not cool MAAANNNNNN. Just easier to focus on oil since Bush is it's champion.

Check out the size of the 2007 Farm Bill.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_U.S._Farm_Bill

The 2007 U.S. Farm Bill (Farm Bill Extension Act of 2007 or Farm, Nutrition, and Bioenergy Act of 2007, is a $288 billion, five-year farm subsidy bill being considered by the United States Congress. The bill continues the United States' long history of agricultural subsidy as well as pursuing areas such as energy, conservation, nutrition, and rural development.[1] Some specific initiatives in the bill include increases in Food Stamp benefits, increased support for the production of cellulosic ethanol, and money for the research of pests, diseases and other agricultural problems.

One version of this legislation, the "Farm, Nutrition, and Bioenergy Act of 2007" was passed by the United States House of Representatives on July 27, 2007. Despite opposition from some senators, including a failed amendment proposal by Senator Richard Lugar and a veto threat by President Bush, the Senate version of the bill, called the "Food and Energy Security Act", was passed by the Senate Agriculture Committee on October 25, 2007 and later by the full Senate on December 14th.[2][3] The Congress plans to reconcile differences between the House and Senate bills early in 2008.


http://www.barackobama.com/issues/energy/

Support Next Generation Biofuels

Deploy Cellulosic Ethanol: Obama will invest federal resources, including tax incentives, cash prizes and government contracts into developing the most promising technologies with the goal of getting the first two billion gallons of cellulosic ethanol into the system by 2013.

Increase Renewable Fuel Standard: Obama will require 36 billion gallons of renewable fuels to be included in the fuel supply by 2022 and will increase that to at least 60 billion gallons of advanced biofuels like cellulosic ethanol by 2030.

[BravoSierra]

DUI, huh? When's your 90 days up?

Nope, I am DUI free. I like to drive, but parking and traffic drives me absolutely insane. When I first moved to Berkeley, I didn't know how to work the parking meters so I just said "Fuck it." So here I am.

[Sam_Adams]

Sounds like they have the right plan going. You have some real idiots in office there don't you?

In the end I think it would be cheaper for everyone between metro areas to give a few hundred bucks that they would be pending on gas to build a monorail system.

[weakside]

Conservation and even tapping into yet to be utilized oil reserves will only treat the symptoms of the problem, which is one day all the world’s oil supply is going to run out. We need to put our efforts and financial resources into finding a alternative fuel.

But having said that, adding an extra tax on gasoline is really beyond stupid.

[RMM46]

Sounds like they have the right plan going. You have some real idiots in office there don't you?

In the end I think it would be cheaper for everyone between metro areas to give a few hundred bucks that they would be pending on gas to build a monorail system.

Lyle Lanley: Well, sir, there's nothing on earth
Like a genuine,
Bona fide,
Electrified,
Six-car
Monorail!
What'd I say?
Ned Flanders: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: What's it called?
Patty+Selma: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: That's right! Monorail!
[crowd chants `Monorail' softly and rhythmically]
Miss Hoover: I hear those things are awfully loud...
Lyle Lanley: It glides as softly as a cloud.
Apu: Is there a chance the track could bend?
Lyle Lanley: Not on your life, my Hindu friend.
Barney: What about us brain-dead slobs?
Lyle Lanley: You'll be given cushy jobs.
Abe: Were you sent here by the devil?
Lyle Lanley: No, good sir, I'm on the level.
Wiggum: The ring came off my pudding can.
Lyle Lanley: Take my pen knife, my good man.
I swear it's Springfield's only choice...
Throw up your hands and raise your voice!
All: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: What's it called?
All: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: Once again...
All: Monorail!
Marge: But Main Street's still all cracked and broken...
Bart: Sorry, Mom, the mob has spoken!
All: Monorail!
Monorail!
Monorail!
[big finish]
Monorail!
Homer: Mono... D'oh!

[wes mantooth]

Conservation and even tapping into yet to be utilized oil reserves will only treat the symptoms of the problem, which is one day all the world’s oil supply is going to run out. We need to put our efforts and financial resources into finding a alternative fuel.


I agree with this. I do however think that any alternative source should be able to produce more energy than is required to make it before it's mandated for the masses.

[Treat_Yourself]

I believe an Israeli developed an "In situ" method, whereas they can do it for $30/bbl.

What the fuck are they waiting for then? I want to be able to afford to drive around just for the hell of it again.

[jules]

this asshole is the prime example of how out of touch with average americans these politicians are. RAISE GAS PRICES????? are you fucking kidding me? i guess its easy for someone who probably hasnt bought a gallon of gas, or even been to a gas station in years to expect average taxpayers to have to pay even more for gas then they are already paying now.
its politicians like this that you cant wait for the next big scandal to come out about them and ruin their career. arrogant cocksucker.

we are doomed people-these are the people we elect to look out for us, and this is what they do to us.
in his big plan to help us and the economy, did he say anything about not getting any pay raises, or maybe cutting at least a small percentage of the automobile fleet that the government has for some of its elected officials staff? (just using that as one example of what i am sure is a much bigger problem than just elected officials staff)
ofcourse he didnt.

like others have said already, why the fuck bother voting?

[Sam_Adams]

We have bituminous shale on our property and I'm interested in drilling but I don't think we will mess with it because we only have 50% of the mineral rights. The original owner wouldn't sell his other 50% because he wanted to cash in if oil was.

Well, that old motherfucker died a few years ago (not before we tried getting rights again) and now his 1/2 of the rights is split up between 16 fucking heirs. That makes it fucking impossible to get the rights now basically because some of them will want to hold out for their percentage.

I may end up going to an attorney that specializes in mineral rights to seek out the shares. Because on average each well would produce about $15,000 of natural gas a month profit for me. And I'd be willing to have four wells as long as they were confined and I'd make a different road for them to take to them.

[Nortonsmeatytit]

Lyle Lanley: Well, sir, there's nothing on earth
Like a genuine,
Bona fide,
Electrified,
Six-car
Monorail!
What'd I say?
Ned Flanders: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: What's it called?
Patty+Selma: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: That's right! Monorail!
[crowd chants `Monorail' softly and rhythmically]
Miss Hoover: I hear those things are awfully loud...
Lyle Lanley: It glides as softly as a cloud.
Apu: Is there a chance the track could bend?
Lyle Lanley: Not on your life, my Hindu friend.
Barney: What about us brain-dead slobs?
Lyle Lanley: You'll be given cushy jobs.
Abe: Were you sent here by the devil?
Lyle Lanley: No, good sir, I'm on the level.
Wiggum: The ring came off my pudding can.
Lyle Lanley: Take my pen knife, my good man.
I swear it's Springfield's only choice...
Throw up your hands and raise your voice!
All: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: What's it called?
All: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: Once again...
All: Monorail!
Marge: But Main Street's still all cracked and broken...
Bart: Sorry, Mom, the mob has spoken!
All: Monorail!
Monorail!
Monorail!
[big finish]
Monorail!
Homer: Mono... D'oh!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/50/9f10.png/200px-9f10.png

My favorite Simpsons episode, written by Conan O'brien who has said it's the best writing he did for the show.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marge_vs._the_Monorail

[Schmed]

A big reason for the increase in oil prices is speculation and energy traders. These douchebag hedge funds have moved from CDO/CMOs to energy and other commodities, which are a more stable hedge. If all goes as planned, these companies will eventually take their profits, dissolve their holdings and the price of oil will collapse. Stay tuned...

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Lets just kick off the race war already and cleanse the earth of these heathen scum.