Dennis Farina arrested for a felony

[Sam_Adams]

I have to start off saying that this shit is ridiculous. A man, that isn't a criminal, is arrested over a Constitutional Right. The man should be able to carry his stuff. Every non-criminal should.

If he had placed this firearm in check-in then he wouldn't have a problem.

My mother's friend got into trouble a couple of years ago for accidentally leaving her pistol in her purse when she went to an airport. Except this is Arkansas and you won't get a felony charge for shit like that.

The man was also a fucking cop in Chicago before he was a big actor. So, he should be covered by the Patriot Act to carry weapons/concealed weapons in every U.S. city. Anyone granted arresting power as a government agent retired or active has the ability to conceal carry weapons in the US now.


Actor Farina arrested with gun in luggage at LAX
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LOS ANGELES (AP) — Actor Dennis Farina was charged with a felony Sunday at Los Angeles International Airport after a loaded gun was found in his carry-on luggage.

When the weapon was discovered at a security checkpoint, the 64-year-old actor said he had forgotten the .22-caliber handgun was in his luggage, police said.

Farina was booked for investigation of carrying a concealed weapon, said Sgt. Dennis Beacham. Bail was set at $25,000 before police discovered the weapon was not registered. Charges were then upgraded to a felony and bail was increased to $35,000.

Farina was released after posting bail on Sunday night, according to the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department Web site.

Farina's latest film, the Ashton Kutcher-Cameron Diaz comedy "What Happens in Vegas," opened Friday.

Farina has starred in TV's "Law & Order" series and in such movies as "Snatch" and "Get Shorty." The actor is also a former Chicago police officer.

Calls to Farina's lawyer and agent were not returned Sunday.

[Hey_Asshole]

Fucking WOW

Doesn't being a former cop give him more of a "right" to carry than us normal folk?

EDIT: reread your original post...

[LiddyRules]

He got it from the locker next to the one Danny DeVito's book was in.

[Sam_Adams]

Fucking WOW

Doesn't being a former cop give him more of a "right" to carry than us normal folk?

It's supposed to due to the Patriot Act. I forgot about him being a cop but I remembered before refreshing this page and updated my mini rant.

Even retired cops can carry

This is the bullshit you deal with here. Only in America can you be arrested for exercising your Constitutional Rights.

His "felony" charge comes from the faggot state of California where it's a felony to have an unregistered firearm.

I don't believe that ANY firearms need to be registered. They sure aren't registered here in AR and we don't have problems with it.

[Hey_Asshole]

It's supposed to due to the Patriot Act. I forgot about him being a cop but I remembered before refreshing this page and updated my mini rant.

Even retired cops can carry

This is the bullshit you deal with here. Only in America can you be arrested for exercising your Constitutional Rights.

My wifes uncle was/now is again (long story) a cop in the PRNJ. During his time of not being a cop, I was questioning him about getting a CCW for NJ (I live in PA) he told me it was next to impossible. But he did say that since he was a cop, that he could carry freely across all states. Was he full of shit?

[Sam_Adams]

My wifes uncle was/now is again (long story) a cop in the PRNJ. During his time of not being a cop, I was questioning him about getting a CCW for NJ (I live in PA) he told me it was next to impossible. But he did say that since he was a cop, that he could carry freely across all states. Was he full of shit?

Of course they can. Cops are 1st Class citizens while the rest of us are heathens that are supposed to chase around the dream of having the Rights that are supposed to be god-given to us all.

I have a CHL but I don't even know if I will renew it. I will just carry my shit all of the time anyway. It's a fucking RIGHT not a privilege. I'll just contest the charges and file suit against the state for violating my 2nd Amendment.

I'll also contact the JPFO(Jews for the Protection of Firearm Ownership) and other organizations to jump on board for a legal battle.

I'm tired of our rights being dissolved with more restrictions added each year that turn our RIGHTS into "privileges" through taxes, paperwork and cards.

Just like Penn Jillette was saying the other day. We HAVE to break the bullshit laws and fight back in order to keep our rights.

FUCK "safety" over the terrorism scare. So, they knocked a couple o buildings down seven years ago. That's doesn't mean that we should run around scared.

Let me ask you all this. Are you afraid to speak your mind in public? No, so why should you be afraid to carry your firearms?

[AFA]

Let me ask you all this. Are you afraid to speak your mind in public? No, so why should you be afraid to carry your firearms?

well there are certain instances in which i am afraid to speak my mind in public involving certain persons of questionable moral fiber called savages.

you shouldn't be afraid to carry your firearms but just have some sense while doing it. I'm sure it was an accident when he took his gun in his carry on and i think it was ridiculous that he was arrested for it. that being said i would feel safer if the only person with a gun on the plane was an undercover air marshall.

[Vyce]

I don't believe that ANY firearms need to be registered.

Yes, we know. We went through a several page thread of that insanity not too long ago.

[BIV]

Yes, we know. We went through a several page thread of that constitutional right not too long ago.
Fixed that for ya.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

i would feel safer if the only person with a gun on the plane was an undercover air marshall.

Fuck you and your pussy feelings, sir. :action-sm

If everyone was packing a heater, we wouldn't have half as many problems with the junior Nazi's (aka TSA) or any diaper heads on board.

[Sam_Adams]

I'm a fancy man living in a major metropolitan area, maybe you've heard of a little city they call Washington D.C., and I just can't stand the thought of people having freedoms in the Constitution that was written over two centuries ago.

That was a different time maaaaaaaaaan and they didn't have to worry about terrorists on airplanes. We are much safer now by having the government take away our freedom and micromanage our lives. It makes everything so much more convenient when you have someone else planning your day for you and being restricted to only a few things that you can do each day. Who wants free choice? It's much better to have my options for the day laid out for me by a planning commission.

I don't see a point in having firearms because we have a police force of some decent people mixed with a shitload of inept individuals that barely made it out of high school telling me what I can do based on what they were briefed on at the precinct because they have no indepth understanding of the law.

I prefer that only police and criminals (of the darker persuasion) carrying around pistols and automatic firearms that are restricted for ownership by myself. I think it's better in the long run because I just might hurt myself with a personal firearm.


We know, we know. You hate firearms and think the government is right. Debate is horrible, right? Even when it's about major issues because omniscient lawmakers and judges have already decided what is best for us all based on their own agendas, ignorance and bias.

[Vyce]

Thank you for wildly editing my remarks and constructing your own silly narrative there.

As you may recall (or choose not to remember), my argument in that thread was not that you should not be allowed to own firearms, because I do believe in the 2nd Amendment, but rather it's craziness to be for completely unfettered gun ownership without any sort of limitation or restriction. Despite what you might think, registering a firearm isn't some sort of Big Brother, oppressive government imposition upon you.

Life isn't like Call of Duty 4, and we don't live in a third world country. You've not presented any sort of rational argument as to why you should be able to stockpile weapons (or even need to) WITHOUT any sort of basic, REASONABLE limitation such as registering them, or owning a license, etc., other than to mumble "it's my constitutional right". The 2nd amendment is so vague that we're just NOW reaching the point in our history (after 200+ years of existence) where we might, conceivably, have it interpreted to actually mean it allows *private* gun ownership.

Again, I'll spell it out clearly for those who wish to distort my words YET AGAIN: my problem isn't you owning guns, period, it's this paramilitary, posse comitatus militia mindset that you should be able to own any type of gun (and lots of them!), whatsoever, without registering it, or owning a license / permit for it, or having a waiting period before purchasing it. Those sort of policies were instituted for a reason, and again, despite what you migh think, they weren't set in place so that the big bad government can lord all of the firepower and keep it out of the hands of you, the serfs.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Those sort of policies were instituted for a reason, and again, despite what you migh think, they weren't set in place so that the big bad government can lord all of the firepower and keep it out of the hands of you, the serfs.

Then why has gun registration resulted in gun confiscation, then followed with government sponsored genocide? "whaa"

[Vyce]

Really? That's happened.....here? That's happened to ANY first-world democracy in the last fifty years?

[Plunkies]

Do you have anything to declare?

Yeah. Don't go to California.

[distortion9]

The most shocking thing in all of this is that Farina was carrying a .22....wtf?

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Really? That's happened.....here? That's happened to ANY first-world democracy in the last fifty years?

The first step is always registration, then they come to collect the weapons.

However, no matter how much the Judicial and Legislative branches wish to invent law through their evil word wizzzzardy and personal views, they are wrong.

That's the bottom fucking line. Twist it as you will, after all, that's what you do best. :action-sm

The Bill of Rights was to place limitations on government, not the People.

[weeniewawa]

Really? That's happened.....here? That's happened to ANY first-world democracy in the last fifty years?

wow talk about restrictions

what about germany,oh wait that was 60 years ago. how about New Orleans after the hurricane? Oh wait you said first-world democracy. ok you win Mr Socialist

[WhiteHonkyDevil]

He got it from the locker next to the one Danny DeVito's book was in.

Fuck you, Fuckball...

[kidconnor]

But he did say that since he was a cop, that he could carry freely across all states. Was he full of shit?

In about 2004 they signed the law into effect, HR 218. Before that, a cop in one state couldn't LEGALLY carry in another.

H.R. 218 was signed into law by President George W. Bush.

Also known as the "National Concealed Carry for Cops" legislation and the "Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004," this new law allows law enforcement officers to carry their weapons while off duty between states.

[kidconnor]

As far as Dennis Farina goes, I don't know how he ended his career as a cop, but HR 218 does also entitile retired to carry across state lines as well

A “qualified retired law enforcement officer” is defined as an individual who:
• has retired in good standing from service with a government agency as a law
enforcement officer for an aggregate of fifteen (15) years or more for reasons other
than mental instability, or retired from such an agency due to a service-connected
disability after completing any applicable probationary period of such service;
• was authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection,
investigation, prosecution or the incarceration of any person for any violation of law;
• had statutory powers of arrest;
• has a nonforfeitable right to benefits under the retirement plan of the agency for which
he was employed;
• meets, at his own expense, the same standards for qualification with a firearm as an
active officer within the State in which he resides;
• is not under the influence of alcohol or another intoxicating or hallucinatory drug or
substance; and
• is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing a firearm.
Qualified retired law enforcement officers must carry the photographic identification issued by
the agency for which they were employed and documentation which certifies that they have met,
within the most recent twelve month period, the active duty law enforcement standards for
qualification for a firearm of the same type as the one they intend to carry. This document must
be issued by the retired officer’s former agency or from the State in which he lives.

But I also found this, so federally it don't mean squat..
The new law exempts all qualified active and retired law enforcement officers from State and
local laws with respect to the carrying of concealed firearms. These officers are not exempt from
Federal law or regulation, which governs the carriage of firearms onto aircraft, Federal buildings,
Federal property, and national parks.

[Chino Kapone]

Do you have anything to declare?

Yeah. Don't go to California.

:haha7::clap: Lock it up.

[Vyce]

The first step is always registration, then they come to collect the weapons.


This is what I was talking about before. Instead of giving me actual examples of massive 2nd amendment oppression caused by registration or waiting periods or licensing requirements, the discussion regresses into theoretical slippery-slope arguments about what a mythical Orwellian government MIGHT do, were we a communist or even socialist nation instead of a constitutional republic. I'm at one position (i.e. "these sort of limitations are reasonable and pragmatic, with clearly defined purposes for the benefit of the general welfare"), and the rest of you are jumping 100 miles down on the spectrum to the hypothetical worst case scenario.

It's like the fundies when they argue against gay marriage by trying to claim that opening that door would lead to legal bigamy, or incest, or pedophilia, or bestiality. You're taking all the way forward to an illogical conclusion.

[weeniewawa]

here is something that has happened in the last fifty years

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4&e&fmt=18[/QUOTE]

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Actually, it's from experience in dealing with local law enforcement in my neck of the woods in NYS regarding handguns.

Have a family member with a pistol license drop dead, and the firearms unit will be at your house quicker then the ME. At that point you'll have to get licensed to retrieve your dead relatives property back. If you don't jump through the hoops, you lose them with no compensation.

Seems like a major infringement to me.

[DonTheTrucker]

I like the guy's acting, but he had to know better than try to carry a fucking gun into an airport.

I am very pro second amendment, and despise registration laws. However:

What the fuck does this guy NEED a gun on an airplane for? I'm all for his right to overcompensate for something, but I don't understand it. I'm pretty sure that 99% of people who carry a sidearm wouldn't use it if they had to, and 99.9999% of the will never be in the position where they have to.

If you want a shotgun in the closet to fend off burglars, fine. If you want a rifle to shoot deer with, fine. If you want to shoot skeet, fine. If you want a pistol in your nightstand for defense, fine.

No one needs to carry a fucking pistol to the airport, unless they're a fire marshal. Most people confronted with a real problem on an airplane, without training, would lose that weapon so fast that they wouldn't even know what was happening, and then the bad guy has a gun.

Bottom line is again, I'm all for your right to cover your insecurities with large numbers of guns. I just think it's stupid and in some situations, dangerous.

[oandapartycock]

^^^^^
What he said.

And if he's an ex cop, he should know better than to even be walking around with an UNREGISTERED gun. That's what got the charges bumped up to felony.

[DonTheTrucker]

^^^^^
What he said.

And if he's an ex cop, he should know better than to even be walking around with an UNREGISTERED gun. That's what got the charges bumped up to felony.

He's probably got that attitude that cops get where they think they don't have to follow the same laws as the rest of us. Couple that with 20 years of acting in Hollywood on top of it and you have the makings of a grade A scofflaw.

[Sam_Adams]

I do believe in the 2nd Amendment, but rather it's craziness to be for completely unfettered gun ownership without any sort of limitation or restriction. Despite what you might think, registering a firearm isn't some sort of Big Brother, oppressive government imposition upon you.

...this paramilitary, posse comitatus militia mindset that you should be able to own any type of gun (and lots of them!), whatsoever, without registering it, or owning a license / permit for it, or having a waiting period before purchasing it. Those sort of policies were instituted for a reason, and again, despite what you migh think, they weren't set in place so that the big bad government can lord all of the firepower and keep it out of the hands of you, the serfs.

You really live in an alternate reality don't you?

You're supposed to be a lawyer. What part of "Right" don't you understand? Owning and carrying firearms is a RIGHT not a privilege. I don't need a license to go speak my mind on the street corner, so why should I need a license to carry a pistol to shoot criminals with?

Fuck registration and permits. It's a way to refuse you permission for the Right you're supposed to have inherently.

Look at the shit in NYC. Is it reasonable to have to have a license to buy ammunition? No, it's fucking ridiculous. Is it reasonable to charge high fees and have to wait a year before you are "authorized" to protect your home in NY with a firearm? No, it's fucking ridiculous.

You're being irrational by saying that you need permits and licensing in order to exercise a Constitutional Right.

And that registration list was ruled as unconstitutional at the federal level. But Nazi states like California and NY maintain their own lists of who owns what through registration.

Believe it or not, those lists can be used against you. If the enact radical legislation against firearms then YOU will be targeted and placed in prison if you refuse to give up your Constitutional Right.

You may have learned about the education system there in D.C. and how inept they are, but you don't know shit about firearm legislation. That is obvious.

They proposed this sort of legislation in San Francisco a couple of years ago and the police said they would go from door to door taking firearms from those who failed to turn them over and would prosecute those that didn't comply. They tried shutting out the gun shops.

Vote NO on Proposition H and Protect Your Right to Protect Yourself !

Proposition H seeks to prohibit law-abiding San Francisco residents from purchasing firearms—rifles, shotguns and handguns— for any lawful reason, whether it be for self-defense, hunting or recreational shooting. If Proposition H passes, current law-abiding gun owners would have to surrender their registered handguns to the police.

Handguns not turned in voluntarily will become contraband, to be found and collected by the police, law enforcement officers who will be diverted from their jobs of apprehending violent criminals.

San Francisco residents do have a choice. They can vote NO on November 8 and defeat Proposition H. They can stand up for their civil liberties and tell the politicians that the answer to crime is not to shred constitutionally guaranteed civil rights, but to apprehend, prosecute and punish criminals.


This is the exact sort of shit that happened in the UK. They had to turn in all of their newly "illegal" firearms or faced prison time.

Guess what happened after that? Criminals still had firearms and violent gun crimes and shootings went up 40% because civilians no longer had the right to protect themselves.

Wake the fuck up fella.

[AFA]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

holy shit just when i thought san francisco couldn't get gayer i find out that it is the pussiest city on the fucking planet.

[oandapartycock]

You really live in an alternate reality don't you?

I don't need a license to go speak my mind on the street corner, so why should I need a license to carry a pistol to shoot criminals with?

You're being irrational by saying that you need permits and licensing in order to exercise a Constitutional Right.

I think it's you that lives in the alternate reality. In Arkansas, I can see absolutely no problem with arming yourself to the teeth because of the wide open spaces, and pursuits of hunting or just protecting yourself from wild animals.

But in the big cities, the civilizations have evolved (or should I say devolved) to the point to where it becomes necessary for government to take a more proactive approach by licensing and registering guns and their owners.

And sure, you don't need no stinkin' license or permit to spout off whatever views you want to on the local street corner, but you think even the lowly Rev Al didn't have his Jews pull all the necessary permits when he tried to excercise his rights of assembly and free speech in New York recently?

And that registration list was ruled as unconstitutional at the federal level. But Nazi states like California and NY maintain their own lists of who owns what through registration.

Every Supreme Court decision with regard to the "infringing" upon a person's right to bear arms has ruled that licensing and the registration programs do not pose a significant burden upon the applicant.

[askewcore]

Guess what happened after that? Criminals still had firearms and violent gun crimes and shootings went up 40% because civilians no longer had the right to protect themselves.

Wake the fuck up fella.

Criminals can buy anti-tank weapons too, should I have one in my house in case some runs up my fire escape and I need to defend my family?

Vyce is right. If any fucking jackass who was mad could walk into a store and pick up a fully automatic AK, throw down $200 walk back over to the dudes house who just angered him 10 minutes ago and waste his whole family, you really think that would make shit better?

I'm all for owning a gun. But I'm also for background checks so you can at least make it more difficult for criminals to get armed.

[LiddyRules]

Vyce is right. If any fucking jackass who was mad could walk into a store and pick up a fully automatic AK, throw down $200 walk back over to the dudes house who just angered him 10 minutes ago and waste his whole family, you really think that would make shit better?
Of course it would because the guy who is going to get shot by AK-47 guy will also own a gun and be an expert crack shot. After all, when under pressure, people never panic and never make mistakes.

[askewcore]

Of course it would because the guy who is going to get shot by AK-47 guy will also own a gun and be an expert crack shot. After all, when under pressure, people never panic and never make mistakes.

And life is an action movie.

[Sam_Adams]

But in the big cities, the civilizations have evolved (or should I say devolved) to the point to where it becomes necessary for government to take a more proactive approach by licensing and registering guns and their owners.

Every Supreme Court decision with regard to the "infringing" upon a person's right to bear arms has ruled that licensing and the registration programs do not pose a significant burden upon the applicant.

So, all 2.7 million people that live in Arkansas aren't evolved like fancy city folk? I live in a metro area with 160,00ish people. I wouldn't exactly say that I live in the woods in a wide-open space surrounded by bears and lions.

Our Constitutional Rights shouldn't be applied to specifica areas. They are the same whether you live in a 100 person town or a 10million person city. Size doesn't mean a thing.

And those "evolved" cities sure as hell can't deal with their crime rates now can they? They keep civilians from owning firearms and allow criminals to run rampant taking advantage and killing honest people.

NYC essentially has a gun ban for honest citizens. Did the Supreme Court say that's OK? The Supreme Court hasn't always been correct on issues. It's a flaw of theirs based on who puts them in power to make decisions that are biased.

[Sam_Adams]

Criminals can buy anti-tank weapons too, should I have one in my house in case some runs up my fire escape and I need to defend my family?

Vyce is right. If any fucking jackass who was mad could walk into a store and pick up a fully automatic AK, throw down $200 walk back over to the dudes house who just angered him 10 minutes ago and waste his whole family, you really think that would make shit better?

That's absolutely irrational. You have been lied to all of these years by your politicians and media. If you didn't have regulations and waiting periods then you wouldn't have anymore incidents than you do now. In many states there are no waiting periods and "gun licenses" and there isn't chaos and mayhem breaking out in those areas. Actually, with the less bullshit redtape and "regulation" you have lower incident rates and crime rates. Don't believe your local bullshit media or CNN. They are con artists that make their money by frightening people into watching their programming. They don't check facts a lot of the time.



The type of weapon they use in a crime is insignificant. You can do more damage with a semi-auto firearm than with an automatic. You've got movies and reality confused.

An AK-47 fully auto will cost you about $8,000 right now and a semi-auto will cost you around $400. Which one do you think a criminal would choose?

And those crazy people that want to kill someone WILL kill that person if they so choose. Their tool is insignificant. This isn't Minority Report where we have psychic police that arrest people for crimes they have thought about committing.

You CAN'T stop an individual from killing someone if they want to do it. New laws won't stop shit.

Those automatic firearms are not different than semi-autos. I can fire any semi-auto firearm with the same firing rate as the fully-auto version WITHOUT modification.

It really doesn't matter what weapon you have, it's up to people to use them correctly.

Remember, the Crusades weren't waged with AK-47s. People swung around pieces of sharp metal and hurled stones to kill one another.

Violence will never stop and legislation doesn't do a fucking thing to keep people from committing horrible acts. Laws are for "after the fact" to lock those offenders up for a long time or to kill them. Laws have never protected anyone.

Here is your fear--automatic fire :O Oh no, but this is a completely semi-automatic $400 AK-47(AKM)
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[tattered]

yes vyce is right we should have more laws and restrictions on gun ownership because it really works to stop the gangbangers from getting guns....:icon_roll:icon_roll:icon_roll:icon_roll

the only thing the laws stop is law abiding citizens from being able to defend themselves and their families.

[seeinred]

No one needs to carry a fucking pistol to the airport, unless they're a fire marshal. Most people confronted with a real problem on an airplane, without training, would lose that weapon so fast that they wouldn't even know what was happening, and then the bad guy has a gun.



I'll have to dig around to find the link to it, but that doesn't really happen. It's happened like 3 times in the past year or 2 or something like that.

[askewcore]

You know nothing about me first, so dont assume "I've been lied to by the media" like a I some impressionable asshole, and dont talk down to me, simply because I disagree with you. I dont watch CNN, I dont watch the tabloid news TV shows. The EVIL media hasn't decieved me maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan. I'm a person, and I make up my own mind, believe it or not. I dont agree with you on this point, that doesnt make it any less valid than the shit you think. You just think it with more passion and have completly irrelevant (and unproven) stats you throw out behind it. I dont care, because, realistically, there will never be an unchecked weapons possesion status in this country like you want because you watched V for Vendetta too many times. Next time someone breaks a law, we'll gather them in the town square and have Tina Turner make them Spin the Wheel and Make the Deal because apparently you live in Barter Town.


An AK-47 fully auto will cost you about $8,000 right now and a semi-auto will cost you around $400. Which one do you think a criminal would choose?


And that $400 semi auto AK can be converted to full auto for another $100 bucks. Regardless of what you read, or think you know, that is a reality on the street that I'm sure you have no REAL LIFE knowledge of.

Arguing with you is completly fucking pointless because you refuse to relent your position even one fucking bit, you wont even listen to the other point of view, you regurgitate the same tired shit about the consitituions and this anti-law rhetoric. You tell me a perfectly logical scenario is irrational and then you compare a gun debate to the Crusades. Its like arguing with FOX News x100.

You CAN'T stop an individual from killing someone if they want to do it. New laws won't stop shit.

How about this? You take a rock, I'll take a gun. We'll try and kill each other.

You CANT stop someone from killing? Thats the single STUPIDEST fucking thing I have ever heard. Why have Police? Hostage Negotiators?

David Berkowitz wanted to kill people. How many people would he have killed if he would have had to use a knife and not a .45? Charlie Whitman wanted to kill people. Could he have climbed to the top of that observation deck and picked off 14 people with a slingshot? Did Oswald shoot Kennedy with a blowgun? I have never seen anything so ridiciulous, I'm going to bed. I hope the Gestapo dont get me in the middle of the night.

the only thing the laws stop is law abiding citizens from being able to defend themselves and their families.

I am a law abiding citizen (as far as the government knows), and I have three shotguns, two rifles and handgun. Do I need anything else to defend my apartment, dog and chick? Where are these laws and these mystical Finger-Men that are going to kick in my door and take my guns?? I'm not anti-gun whatsoever, I'm anti-every-douche-in-the-country-getting-any-gun-they-want-on-demand. And I dont see what's irrational about that, can anyone answer that without spewing "2nd ammendment"?

[DonTheTrucker]

The gun argument wouldn't be so annoying if both sides weren't filled with such sniveling douches. Anti gun zealots are just plain facists and pro gun zealots are guys with inferiority complexes.

Anything more than 2 guns is a waste. You only have 2 hands, right?

[askewcore]

The gun argument wouldn't be so annoying if both sides weren't filled with such sniveling douches. Anti gun zealots are just plain facists and pro gun zealots are guys with inferiority complexes.

That can be said for almost every political argument there is. Which is why nothing ever gets done in this country. That and keeping the ghetto full of illegal guns makes it harder for the poor to succeed.

And back on topic, I still dont see why Avi the Diamond Dealer thinks he should be carrying on a plane. Unless Boris the Bullet Dodger was hot on his heels.

[AFA]

That can be said for almost every political argument there is. Which is why nothing ever gets done in this country. That and keeping the ghetto full of illegal guns makes it harder for the poor to succeed.

And back on topic, I still dont see why Avi the Diamond Dealer thinks he should be carrying on a plane. Unless Boris the Bullet Dodger was hot on his heels.

you're obvoiusly forgetting that Avi shot the sneaky fuckin russian repeatedly until he died.
either that or you have the script for the sequel, "Zombie Snatch"

[kidconnor]

And those crazy people that want to kill someone WILL kill that person if they so choose. Their tool is insignificant.




Their tool is definitely significant. A gun is less personal, intimate, than, say a knife or bat. It can be used from a distance, and inflict significant, widespread damage with little ease, in a short amount of time. In the hands of someone trained to use it, its can be very deadly. In the hands of someone not trained (or doesn't take it serious), its dangerous.

Owning a gun is a great responsibility. Safekeeping and handling alone. I don't know if your overestimating people or I am underestimating them.

[Hey_Asshole]

^^^^^
What he said.

And if he's an ex cop, he should know better than to even be walking around with an UNREGISTERED gun. That's what got the charges bumped up to felony.

I think "unregistered" needs to be defined 1st. As far as I know, my handgun is "unregistered" as I don't think that PA requires it. There are several states that I am allowed to carry legally in. So technically, I would be carrying an unregistered handgun while in those states. Am I breaking the law...no. Now I dont know where he lives, but his state of residence may not require it.

I could be wrong on this, but that is how I am looking at it.

[justifyyourgarb]

Did he get arrested in L.A.?

You know, they say the fucking smog is the fucking reason L.A. has such beautiful fucking sunsets.

[Sam_Adams]

I dont care, because, realistically, there will never be an unchecked weapons possesion status in this country like you want because you watched V for Vendetta too many times.

And that $400 semi auto AK can be converted to full auto for another $100 bucks. Regardless of what you read, or think you know, that is a reality on the street that I'm sure you have no REAL LIFE knowledge of.


I grew up in one of the most violent cities in Arkansas during the peak of the gang killings and drug dealing. So, maybe you don't know what you're speaking of.

And you can't convert a semi-auto AK for $100. If you're wanting to do it with the parts needed to make it fuction properly then you can't get them because they AREN'T sold on the streets. Only FFL Class3 dealers can obtain them.

However, you can convert any semi-auto to fire auto but it's not reliable and it's dangerous. That takes all of five minutes to do with most rifles, but I'm not going to sit here and tell you how to do that.

[Sam_Adams]

I'm all for his right to overcompensate for something, but I don't understand it.

I'm all for your right to cover your insecurities with large numbers of guns. I just think it's stupid and in some situations, dangerous.

Maybe the folks of us with huge dicks should all buy 18-wheelers and live on the road because that's what REAL men do apparently. Right? So, everyone with a big cock needs to go sign up for Swift or JB Hunt or something:action-sm

[Chino Kapone]

All I know is when China invades, Ill be at Sams....

Hopefully he will look past the dark skin tone. Besides, hes gotta plenty of extra guns and only 2 hands.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Who's the real criminal - Gun owner or BATFE? (http://www.libertybelles.org/articles/criminalbatfe.htm)

Some excellent points in the article...

[oandapartycock]

So, all 2.7 million people that live in Arkansas aren't evolved like fancy city folk? I live in a metro area with 160,00ish people. I wouldn't exactly say that I live in the woods in a wide-open space surrounded by bears and lions.

I said that tongue in cheek, followed by "devolved"
the civilizations have evolved (or should I say devolved)

Our Constitutional Rights shouldn't be applied to specifica areas. They are the same whether you live in a 100 person town or a 10million person city. Size doesn't mean a thing.

Yes it does. That's why many of the government tasks have been assigned to the states, since sometimes it's easier and more effective to deal with on a local level. That's what the 10th Amendment is all about.

The right of the people to keep and bear arms is a Federal Constitutional right, but states can regulate them based on current conditions.

And those "evolved" cities sure as hell can't deal with their crime rates now can they? They keep civilians from owning firearms and allow criminals to run rampant taking advantage and killing honest people.

NYC essentially has a gun ban for honest citizens. Did the Supreme Court say that's OK? The Supreme Court hasn't always been correct on issues. It's a flaw of theirs based on who puts them in power to make decisions that are biased.

I never was in favor of NY's anti-gun policies. I'm a believer if you take away the guns, then only criminals will have guns. There's many other factors why crime rates are so high in these "evolved" cities. Socio-economic factors like poverty, the lack of proper parenting. The lack of having a male role model, the Gangsta Life being glorified in rap and movies, etc.

Throw in a little discrimination, prejudice, racism, and the failure of the justice system and you've got quite a stew.

[DonTheTrucker]

Maybe the folks of us with huge dicks should all buy 18-wheelers and live on the road because that's what REAL men do apparently. Right? So, everyone with a big cock needs to go sign up for Swift or JB Hunt or something:action-sm

I hate my job, so it's not who I am. It's a way to pay the bills. I'd drive a Smart Car or a bicycle if it meant I got paid the same. Comparing that to people who buy dozens of guns is just not a good comparison.

Besides, not all of us can make $50,000 a month mining natural gas or oil or whatever it is.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Class warfare!

[askewcore]

Besides, not all of us can make $50,000 a month mining natural gas or oil or whatever it is.

Or be Teenage Russian Brain surgeons.


Linger Wackbag

[DonTheTrucker]

Or be Teenage Russian Brain surgeons.


Linger Wackbag

You forgot the Special Forces part. But yeah pretty much the same category of Bravo Sierra. :haha7:

[tattered]

Or be Teenage Russian Brain surgeons.


Linger Wackbag

way to go old school

[distortion9]

Well, I'm convinced....

I'm selling all my guns and I'm gonna start carrying a pool ball in a sock.

[Vyce]

Arguing with you is completly fucking pointless because you refuse to relent your position even one fucking bit, you wont even listen to the other point of view, you regurgitate the same tired shit about the consitituions and this anti-law rhetoric. You tell me a perfectly logical scenario is irrational and then you compare a gun debate to the Crusades. Its like arguing with FOX News x100.


He also keeps being disingenous because he repeatedly mischaracterizes the debate as "ANY sort of gun restriction / regulation = taking away ALL guns / banning 2nd amendment".

As I said earlier, it's jumping a thousand miles down the road to the worst potential outcome for gun regulation, that being 100% gun confiscation and the outlawing of private gun ownership. Not only is that illogical given the nature of the debate (not to mention our national attitude towards gun ownership), it's an argument without any sort of realistic merit, as all signs point towards a Supreme Court decision being made public in just a few weeks that most consider will definitively establish a right to private ownership of firearms. But not necessarily, I should add, UNFETTERED private gun ownership.

[weakside]

He got it from the locker next to the one Danny DeVito's book was in.

:clap:

[Sam_Adams]

Besides, not all of us can make $50,000 a month mining natural gas or oil or whatever it is.

You forgot the Special Forces part. But yeah pretty much the same category of Bravo Sierra. :haha7:

You don't know shit about me. You think you may know a few things but laugh away :) That's all you can do.

I'm not drilling gas yet. That is years away when I get all of the rights squared away.

I'm fucking tired of talking to you and you having nothing to say in a discussion and always referring to shit that has nothing to do with the subject at hand. MAybe you just have everything figured out. With your bullshit pseudopsychology where everything stems back to dick size you should start a clinic. It sounds like you understand the human psyche.

You, however, are above it all and you don't have any personal interests or passions because that's just all silly shit.

I'm done responding to shit in threads here on the board because of shit like this. I'll be a super hero, astronaut, medical super surgeon, special forces timber baron now. Whatever it is that you say. It must be fucking true.

The only places I'll be from now on are the gun thread and gaming. Maybe you can postulate my love for electronics because of dick size...again. That's a new concept isn't it? You're fucking innovative fella. Maybe I like games because I'm a hillbilly that chops down trees. Who knows. No one, but you of course :action-sm

Don, people like you make me a misanthrope.

[BigDickGuzinya]

Don,a couple points,I assume from the article the gun was in checked baggage? How would one transport your gun if not in your luggage? Big step from there to the bad guy taking it from you and killing a nun. You and Vyce keep making the same point about how many guns people have.Who's qualified to make that decision? How many and what caliber are enough? Too many times I've heard (usually) liberals saying some shit about what people "need".Fuck that,I decide what I need,not the Govt. I got 9 cars at my house,some I don't even drive. I have a huge fucking pig of a 4X4 Excursion that gets 10mpg,so what,I pay for the gas.If I want a gun collection like Michael Gross and Reba in "Tremors" thats my business too.Slippery slope in my opinion.

[DonTheTrucker]

Don,a couple points,I assume from the article the gun was in checked baggage? How would one transport your gun if not in your luggage? Big step from there to the bad guy taking it from you and killing a nun. You and Vyce keep making the same point about how many guns people have.Who's qualified to make that decision? How many and what caliber are enough? Too many times I've heard (usually) liberals saying some shit about what people "need".Fuck that,I decide what I need,not the Govt. I got 9 cars at my house,some I don't even drive. I have a huge fucking pig of a 4X4 Excursion that gets 10mpg,so what,I pay for the gas.If I want a gun collection like Michael Gross and Reba in "Tremors" thats my business too.Slippery slope in my opinion.

1. It wasn't in checked baggage as far as I know. Pretty sure it's still legal to check weapons. His was in a carry on I think.

2. I have never said I want limits on how many guns. I said that people that have a lot of them are silly. We have every right to be silly.

Don't lumpme in with the gun confiscators. I want no restrictions on guns at all. I just don't see why anyone needs so many, but god bless ya if you want 200 guns. It gives some guy at a gun factory a job.

[Vyce]

Don,a couple points,I assume from the article the gun was in checked baggage? How would one transport your gun if not in your luggage? Big step from there to the bad guy taking it from you and killing a nun. You and Vyce keep making the same point about how many guns people have.Who's qualified to make that decision? How many and what caliber are enough? Too many times I've heard (usually) liberals saying some shit about what people "need".Fuck that,I decide what I need,not the Govt. I got 9 cars at my house,some I don't even drive. I have a huge fucking pig of a 4X4 Excursion that gets 10mpg,so what,I pay for the gas.If I want a gun collection like Michael Gross and Reba in "Tremors" thats my business too.Slippery slope in my opinion.

I haven't said anything about the number of guns someone should or shouldn't have. But I would agree with Don, and add that if you do have LOTS of guns around, there's probably something else going on with you, because it's not exactly a normal thing to do for a majority of the U.S. population.

Speaking of which:

Don, people like you make me a misanthrope.

Well, you being a misanthrope would certainly explain why you have so many guns.