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LiddyRules
05-13-2008, 03:18 AM
Thoughts?

http://wcbstv.com/local/police.handgun.cameras.2.722036.html

N.Y. Senator Pushes For Cameras On Cop Handguns
ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) ― In a flash, a police officer draws a handgun from its holster. Less than two seconds later, a red laser and bright light shine at whatever is in the gun barrel's path while a mini-camera records it all.

That's how mini-cams on police handguns would work under a proposal gaining support in New York, which would be the first state in the nation to require the technology. State police were briefed on the technology and are reviewing it for a possible pilot program, said Michael Balboni, the state's deputy secretary for public safety.

The device could create a critical visual and audio record of police shootings for use in court, said state Sen. Eric Adams, a Brooklyn Democrat and former police officer. He is drumming up support for testing the cameras with the state police SWAT squad.

Adams said recordings from the $695 cameras couldn't be altered by a police officer and would quell many questions after controversial police shootings, like the deaths in New York City of Amadou Diallo in 1999 and Sean Bell in 2006.

"That's definitely a new thing," said Meredith Mays of the International Association of Chiefs of Police based in Virginia. She said police have known the technology existed, but no state has required it.

Some police departments have put cameras on Tasers in the last couple years, but there is no major national effort by police to seek or block gun cameras at the federal level, according to the National Association of Police Organizations, a major lobbyist.

"We believe the state of New York can lead the country," said Adams, who retired after 21 years as a New York police officer. "There no longer can be a question mark that lingers after shootings."

Adams, who was never involved in a shooting, said the lights on the 5-ounce camera could be turned off if they would expose the officer to danger in a dark area. But the camera and optional audio recorder would remain operating for up to 60 minutes.

He said the images would also help identify suspects who get away. He wants a pilot program that would allow testing by police at shooting ranges. That could lead to a law mandating the gun cameras, he said.

Adams knows many police won't embrace the idea at first.
There was no immediate comment from the police department and police officers union in New York City. Mayor Michael Bloomberg's office said it will review any legislation that comes from Adams' effort.

But in Albany, there is growing support.

Republican Sen. Dale Volker of Erie County, a former police officer who would be critical to passing the Democrat-backed bill, already sought funding for a pilot program. But that $300,000 request to test the technology in state police SWAT squads was cut in the budget this spring as part of efforts to close a deficit of about $5 billion.

"You have to understand, particularly in urban areas today, it is not like the old days when if someone was shot you went before a grand jury," said Volker. Today, he said, an officer would also face intense media and community attention.

"It's a different world," he said. "It's not even a matter of right and wrong a lot of times. It's that people decide very often whatever you did was probably wrong."

In the Democrat-led Assembly, Adams and his colleagues in the influential black, Hispanic and Asian caucus like the idea.
The gun camera is made by Legend Technologies, based in the Adirondack mountains town of Keesville, N.Y.

AFA
05-13-2008, 03:36 AM
what a stupid fucking idea

Hey_Asshole
05-13-2008, 03:37 AM
do they really need them? I think the general public has been doing a pretty good job catching police activity on their camera phones.

boardsofcanada
05-13-2008, 03:46 AM
all future generations are fucked...everything is truly becoming minority reportish.

d0uche_n0zzle
05-13-2008, 06:25 AM
Considering the police are public servants, I'd say that the cameras are a good idea.

However, we should have cameras/mics on all politicians with a GPS location broadcast to their constituents 24/7 as well.

THE FEZ MAN
05-13-2008, 06:37 AM
they have enough monday morning quarter backs. lets install cameras on all of them so every one can think what cops do is nothing more than a shitty tv show..... jack asses, how about addressing real problems

MrBogey
05-13-2008, 08:23 AM
So it records everything several minutes before the trigger is pulled, right? Because if it'll solve all these problems then surely it must capture context as well.

Sinn Fein
05-13-2008, 08:49 AM
Is the video feed going to run to Al Sharpton's office?

What a load of shit...

mascan42
05-13-2008, 08:57 AM
If the camera cuts in 2 seconds after the gun is drawn, the first thing it'll see is an already dead perp.

NortonsHeiny
05-13-2008, 10:20 AM
A legitimate legislator came up with this idea? How about this mother fucker PAY THE COPS WHAT THEY DESERVE with all of your gun cam money you faggot. Wake up America the fucking streets are violent. People are going to be fucking shot by the cops. DEAL WITH IT. If your fucking kids dont carry guns around they never have to worry being shot by a cop.

stevethrower
05-13-2008, 10:39 AM
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8366/050908gloccarvingpo3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
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Fr. Dougal
05-13-2008, 03:04 PM
5 ounces? That's a little less than the weight of a hockey puck.

That's a relatively heavy amount to be added so suddenly to something a cop depends on to save his life.

VMS
05-13-2008, 04:02 PM
I don't think the cops need one, but just as a technical issue:

I know they've got targeting lasers that replace the tubular slide under the barrel on semi-automatic handguns. They use very little power, and they're supposed to be very effective.

Technically, given the size of cellphone cameras today, I don't see how they can't make a video camera the fit in the same slot with a little bit of flash memory to record a few minutes of action.

Budyzir
05-13-2008, 06:25 PM
While the article didn't mention it, the news report on this that I saw the other night added that in the forces where this technology was used, in a vast majority of the cases, the video support the officer's version of events. No specifics on the numbers but, if it can help a cop, I'll keep and open mind on this.

d0uche_n0zzle
05-13-2008, 06:30 PM
It's an objective witness that would back up the truth of the matter.

DonTheTrucker
05-13-2008, 06:58 PM
In theory the idea is fine. I don't mind people monitoring the police, they're not infringing on any fucking rights since no one HAS to be a police officer for a living. Same as your boss blocking Wackbag on your work computer or reading your company emails.

If it prevents an accidental shooting and puts us one step closer to putting Rev. Al out of business, I'm all for it.

Ego
05-13-2008, 08:56 PM
What's the standard-issue for the NYPD, and would it have to be changed in order to accomodate the camera being attached to it? Also, what about undercover officers (like in the Bell case) who need their weapons to be concealable? Would this camera potentially make a gun that could normally be hidden a liability to an undercover cop? This new rule couldn't just be a blanket requirement to all officers. There would have to be accomodations for certain situations.

VMS
05-13-2008, 10:07 PM
What's the standard-issue for the NYPD, and would it have to be changed in order to accomodate the camera being attached to it? Also, what about undercover officers (like in the Bell case) who need their weapons to be concealable? Would this camera potentially make a gun that could normally be hidden a liability to an undercover cop? This new rule couldn't just be a blanket requirement to all officers. There would have to be accomodations for certain situations.

Well, if you know anybody with a decent electronics shop, this might be an opportunity. See my above post about replacing the slide on a standard gun with a small flash-memory camera. Combine it with some kind of automatic recording system (g-force, for when it's pulled out of the holster?), and you've got yourself a nice little business there, supplying the NYPD.

Does the NYPD still go with revolvers, or do they have a standard semi-automatic? I think the laser slide replacement I saw was for the M9 Beretta 9mm. I know a lot of PDs have gone with 10mm/.40 cal semi-autos, and that might give you a slightly larger slide to work with.

Like this. (https://www.lasermax.com/category.php?id=1)

MrBogey
05-13-2008, 10:13 PM
It'd be better just to give cops shoulder mounted cams to record their actions constantly. Having them only take snapshots of what they're firing at won't do any good.

boardsofcanada
05-13-2008, 10:39 PM
It sounds good in its premise that it will save more people and take away a lot of cop mis justice but this also moves us closer to being watched every single second of your job...and this is exactly the kind of shit that never gets reversed. Pretty soon it will truly be exactly like 1984.

jackjack
05-14-2008, 12:20 AM
"Here's your new gun-cam. Be sure to keep the lens clean. winkey winkey"

DonTheTrucker
05-14-2008, 12:22 AM
I would prefer some sort of uniform mounted cam. Most bad things that cops do have nothing to do with guns.

distortion9
05-14-2008, 11:41 AM
NYPD get to choose from the Glock G19, Sig Sauer (226 I believe) and a Smith & Wesson (not sure of model #...5946 rings a bell), all are semi auto 9mm's and most choose the Glock. Off duty, I believe they can carry their service weapon or a Kahr K-9....maybe a compact Glock too?

The Glock has a rail that will accept attachments and I'm pretty sure they offer the Sig with a rail option. Not sure about the S&W and doubt the Kahr has a rail option.

I saw a picture of the camera somewhere and it was MUCH bigger than I thought it would be. I would hope it's just a prototype and that they are working on getting it smaller. For sure they will need a new rig to holster the fucker but, my concern would be re-training the entire department to compensate for the added weight towards the muzzle.

IMHO NYPD firearms training blows....6 months in the academy and they get somewhere around 22 hours of firearms training during that time...that is just not enough, I don't care what ANYONE says....it's not enough. NY is NOT a gun state and most of the recruits have never even held a firearm. Couple that with the fact that after they get on the job, they spend VERY little time off duty at the range and now you're gonna stick a video camera on the end of the firearm? Lots of luck with that one....should be fun viewing the video tape of criminals getting shot in the knees, feet and shins. Not to mention the hesitation that officers will experience trying to decide if they should fire or not, knowing their decision will be played over and over and over and over. Fucking politicians think this is a good thing when in reality cops will die as a result of this.

BTW....Most choose the Glock because the Sigs were rusting from neglect. They stick the weapon in its holster, walk around in the rain, don't clean and oil and presto....rust, nice training.

Edit

Found it

http://www.wrex.com/Images/GUN_CAMERAS.jpg

stevethrower
05-14-2008, 06:44 PM
BTW....Most choose the Glock because the Sigs were rusting from neglect. They stick the weapon in its holster, walk around in the rain, don't clean and oil and presto....rust, nice training.

Must be older blued steel Sigs as mine is stainless steel...

d0uche_n0zzle
05-14-2008, 07:24 PM
That thing is too fucking big to be of any use.

Ego
05-15-2008, 12:10 PM
Yeah. That is too big to be used in the capacity they want it for. What about a compromise with the shoulder-mounted cam that includes a secondary automatic turn-on whenever the gun is removed from the holster?

d0uche_n0zzle
05-15-2008, 12:43 PM
Ideally, you'd want the camera/mic on during all police related for that shift to back up the cop.

Hell, it could probably reduce all the useless fucks in IAB looking to jam up good cops.