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Stalker2
05-14-2008, 09:15 AM
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Vatican: It's OK to believe in aliens
By ARIEL DAVID, Associated Press Writer Tue May 13, 4:07 PM ET


VATICAN CITY - Believing that the universe may contain alien life does not contradict a faith in God, the Vatican's chief astronomer said in an interview published Tuesday.

The Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes, the Jesuit director of the Vatican Observatory, was quoted as saying the vastness of the universe means it is possible there could be other forms of life outside Earth, even intelligent ones.
"How can we rule out that life may have developed elsewhere?" Funes said. "Just as we consider earthly creatures as 'a brother,' and 'sister,' why should we not talk about an 'extraterrestrial brother'? It would still be part of creation."
In the interview by the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano, Funes said that such a notion "doesn't contradict our faith" because aliens would still be God's creatures. Ruling out the existence of aliens would be like "putting limits" on God's creative freedom, he said.
The interview, headlined "The extraterrestrial is my brother," covered a variety of topics including the relationship between the Roman Catholic Church and science, and the theological implications of the existence of alien life.
Funes said science, especially astronomy, does not contradict religion, touching on a theme of Pope Benedict XVI, who has made exploring the relationship between faith and reason a key aspect of his papacy.
The Bible "is not a science book," Funes said, adding that he believes the Big Bang theory is the most "reasonable" explanation for the creation of the universe. The theory says the universe began billions of years ago in the explosion of a single, super-dense point that contained all matter.
But he said he continues to believe that "God is the creator of the universe and that we are not the result of chance."
Funes urged the church and the scientific community to leave behind divisions caused by Galileo's persecution 400 years ago, saying the incident has "caused wounds."
In 1633 the astronomer was tried as a heretic and forced to recant his theory that the Earth revolved around the sun. Church teaching at the time placed Earth at the center of the universe.
"The church has somehow recognized its mistakes," he said. "Maybe it could have done it better, but now it's time to heal those wounds and this can be done through calm dialogue and collaboration."
Pope John Paul declared in 1992 that the ruling against Galileo was an error resulting from "tragic mutual incomprehension."
The Vatican Observatory has been at the forefront of efforts to bridge the gap between religion and science. Its scientist-clerics have generated top-notch research and its meteorite collection is considered one of the world's best.
The observatory, founded by Pope Leo XIII in 1891, is based in Castel Gandolfo, a lakeside town in the hills outside Rome where the pope has a summer residence. It also conducts research at an observatory at the University of Arizona, in Tucson.

LINK: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080513/ap_on_re_eu/vatican_aliens

Vyce
05-14-2008, 09:57 AM
This is being presented as a "wacky" story, but really, it's entirely logical and Rev. Funes is right. If you believe in God or some sort of supreme being, it's rather silly to believe that we're the only sentient, intelligent beings it created or developed in the entire gigantic universe.

Cunty McShitballs
05-14-2008, 11:11 AM
I'm now an athiest but was raised Catholic.

The Catholics actually get a pretty bad rap for their outlook on science (stemming from their persecution of ol' Galileo some 500 years ago). Unlike Southern Baptists and other religions who interpret the bible literally, they actually try and find some way scientific laws can coexist with their religion.

I'd rather have that then completely turning a blind eye to all science.

Now, if they could just get rid of that pesky child ****...

VMS
05-14-2008, 11:59 AM
I'm now an athiest but was raised Catholic.

The Catholics actually get a pretty bad rap for their outlook on science (stemming from their persecution of ol' Galileo some 500 years ago). Unlike Southern Baptists and other religions who interpret the bible literally, they actually try and find some way scientific laws can coexist with their religion.

I'd rather have that then completely turning a blind eye to all science.

Now, if they could just get rid of that pesky child ****...

Heh. Even the Galileo thing was mostly a political deal, rather than religious dogmatists persecuting a scientist. Galileo getting into trouble was mostly because of his impolitic way of arguing his case, rather than his actual views. Pope Urban VIII was actually trying to help Galileo out, but Galileo made the Pope look bad in his book, which pissed off his strongest supporter.

The Catholic Church is pretty even-keeled about science vs. religion, but during the Dark Ages and even into the Early Modern Period they were smart enough not to push the common people faster than the common people (ie- rubes) were ready to go.

That's pretty much where the Catholic Church is today, WRT science and religion. Some of the radical liberal priests are outside of this tradition, but the Church has usually been smart enough to realize there's only so far people can go before they get uncomfortable and run in the other direction.

Plunkies
05-14-2008, 05:00 PM
There's definitely a god but there might be aliens. Makes sense. Sounds like the Catholic church wants some of that Xenu money.

Hudson
05-14-2008, 10:38 PM
There's definitely a god but there might be aliens. Makes sense. Sounds like the Catholic church wants some of that Xenu money.
Just wait until they reveal Jesus was an alien..his ascention..the mothership picking him up with the transporter beam. Same as when they came back for Elijiah

weakside
05-15-2008, 12:33 AM
I have to give credit where it's due because wacky or not, this is a fairly progressive move by the church.

VMS
05-15-2008, 10:49 AM
I have to give credit where it's due because wacky or not, this is a fairly progressive move by the church.

You say "progressive" like it's a good thing. :action-sm

Wilmington WOW
05-15-2008, 06:45 PM
ha ha old world religion

Xyn
05-16-2008, 12:25 PM
The Vatican deserves credit for saying this, but... wow.

It's just kind of sad that it they even had to say it.

Christians do admit to being led by shepherds though, so I guess it makes sense.

:action-sm

Just wait until they reveal Jesus was an alien..his ascention..the mothership picking him up with the transporter beam. Same as when they came back for Elijiah

That's crazy talk. Everyone knows Jesus was a Raptor.

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Vyce
05-16-2008, 03:03 PM
Fuck you, infidel. Everyone knows the one true god:

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The Church of the Pastafarians declares a fatwah on your head!

LiddyRules
05-16-2008, 06:05 PM
This is being presented as a "wacky" story, but really, it's entirely logical and Rev. Funes is right. If you believe in God or some sort of supreme being, it's rather silly to believe that we're the only sentient, intelligent beings it created or developed in the entire gigantic universe. I think it's more logical to believe in other intelligent beings in our universe than it is to believe in some Supreme God.

Vyce
05-16-2008, 06:07 PM
I think it's more logical to believe in other intelligent beings in our universe than it is to believe in some Supreme God.

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Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

Xyn
05-17-2008, 02:56 AM
The Church of the Pastafarians declares a fatwah on your head!

May he forgive me for my weakness, ramen.