Obama shows his true colors....again.

[DonTheTrucker]

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5h-wpxs1Re-8vx2Zk5xnYygW1W67w

"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK," Obama said.

"That's not leadership. That's not going to happen," he added.

So he wants to limit what cars we drive, how warm we keep our homes and how much we eat? :icon_roll

"I want everybody to be absolutely clear about this because George Bush and McCain have suggested that me being willing to sit down with our adversaries is a sign of weakness and sign of appeasement," he said.

It is a sign of appeasement. We didn't break down the Soviet Union by giving them nuclear technology like Clinton did for North Korea or by ignoring Islamofacist revolutions like Carter did for Iran.

"Senator McCain said let's give everybody a gas tax holiday but doesn't want to pay for it. I think I've got the best plan. Let the oil companies pay it out of their excess profits," she said.

Hey, how about that....more taxes! Who the fuck saw THAT coming? :icon_roll

Fuck Obama in his fucking communist fuckhole. He's not even a socialist. He's a straight up fucking communist.

[Glenn Dandy]

What kind of retarded sheep listen to this asshole?


I mean Christ, you gotta be one dumb motherfucker to buy his snake oil speeches.

[Sinn Fein]

Allegedly, there's a "sea of people" in Oregon who saw him tonight.

[DonTheTrucker]

Allegedly, there's a "sea of people" in Oregon who saw him tonight.

It's Oregon. They probably advertised free weed and acid, and all the fucking hippies showed up. Looks like they say about 75,000 showed up.

I saw 10,000 show up at the fucking Lancaster PA airport in 2004 to see Bush. It's not a big deal really to get 75,000 in a big city like Portland.

[mendozathejew]

that first quote is fucking ponderous

[Garyisajoke]

The first quote isn't ponderous - he's just saying if we're going to be assholes about the environment to other countries, we need to lead by example and that it takes all of us together to make a difference.

No candidate is perfect and there's no "for whatever ails you" platform, but I support him because his ideas are much different than what we've been dealing with for a long time. Who is the alternative? McCain? McCain wants to stay the course, like things are fine right now. He's deluded - this country is fucked up and we need something new.

He's not for the tax break holiday - economically, it's a bandaid to get people to forget about the real problem at heart. And about talking with Iran or other hostile nations, why is such a foreign concept to promote diplomacy? Throw out the Cold War reference, but unless I'm mistaken, this is a completely different situation. If it's cowardly to talk to a potential enemy and try to resolve an issue - I'll take being called a pussy so maybe we can less of these animals blowing themselves up and killing innocent people. Fuck pride.

And fuck Republicans. Attack this guy all you want - and attack me all you want - but we're in this fucking situation because of George Bush. I'm not rich - I don't want taxes, but when I'm not getting a raise because Bush fucked the economy, it doesn't really matter that I'm not paying as much taxes, does it?

[DonTheTrucker]

The first quote isn't ponderous - he's just saying if we're going to be assholes about the environment to other countries, we need to lead by example and that it takes all of us together to make a difference.

No candidate is perfect and there's no "for whatever ails you" platform, but I support him because his ideas are much different than what we've been dealing with for a long time. Who is the alternative? McCain? McCain wants to stay the course, like things are fine right now. He's deluded - this country is fucked up and we need something new.

He's not for the tax break holiday - economically, it's a bandaid to get people to forget about the real problem at heart. And about talking with Iran or other hostile nations, why is such a foreign concept to promote diplomacy? Throw out the Cold War reference, but unless I'm mistaken, this is a completely different situation. If it's cowardly to talk to a potential enemy and try to resolve an issue - I'll take being called a pussy so maybe we can less of these animals blowing themselves up and killing innocent people. Fuck pride.

And fuck Republicans. Attack this guy all you want - and attack me all you want - but we're in this fucking situation because of George Bush, so fuck off.

Wow, you really have bought the snake oil.

Obama is Hiilary is McCain is Jimmy Carter is LBJ.

He's a big government tax and spend socialist. He IS for staying the course, since the course is raise taxes and expand the reach of government. Bush hasn't been great on that either, don't get me wrong, but he's nowhere as bad as Gore or Kerry would have been.

You're insane if you think that taxing the shit out of those who actually contribute to society to pay off your voting constituency is the right way to go, by all means vote for Obama. Have fun when he limits how much fucking steak you can buy. :arrrh:

Final point: It's not cowardly to negotiate with terrorists, it's stupid. You give them a little bit of recognition and they just step up their attacks. You can't negotiate with people who FUCKING WANT YOU DEAD. Why is THIS such a foreign concept to you liberals? These people don't want peace. They want to convert or kill every fucking person on the planet. You cannot cannot cannot negotiate with monsters like this.

[Garyisajoke]

Wow, you really have bought the snake oil.

Obama is Hiilary is McCain is Jimmy Carter is LBJ.

He's a big government tax and spend socialist. He IS for staying the course, since the course is raise taxes and expand the reach of government. Bush hasn't been great on that either, don't get me wrong, but he's nowhere as bad as Gore or Kerry would have been.

You're insane if you think that taxing the shit out of those who actually contribute to society to pay off your voting constituency is the right way to go, by all means vote for Obama. Have fun when he limits how much fucking steak you can buy. :arrrh:

I edited my text and added a piece about taxes instead of saying fuck off. I don't want Don the Trucker to fuck off. I like Don the Trucker.

Oh and if anyone is going to limit how much steak I can buy, it'd be Congress - you know, who LEGISLATES - not the president. You're confused because Bush instituted that power for himself and pushed unilateral decisions on Congress and on us. And Congress will swing right again if Obama wins. Balance of power.

[DonTheTrucker]

I edited my text and added a piece about taxes instead of saying fuck off. I don't want Don the Trucker to fuck off. I like Don the Trucker.

Thats ok, I never take any of this shit personally. I edited mine to address the negotiating with madmen thing too, so we're even.

Agree to disagree? :haha7::haha7:

[Garyisajoke]

Thats ok, I never take any of this shit personally. I edited mine to address the negotiating with madmen thing too, so we're even.

Agree to disagree? :haha7::haha7:

Of course, budday.

The thing is, all of the candidates are bad. We don't live in an age where the best possible individual gains power, like when this country was founded. They're career politicians, which is something that is killing this country. Of the three, though, I feel like Obama still has a piece of his soul and might try and do right. That is all.

[DonTheTrucker]

Of course, budday.

The thing is, all of the candidates are bad. We don't live in an age where the best possible individual gains power, like when this country was founded. They're career politicians, which is something that is killing this country. Of the three, though, I feel like Obama still has a piece of his soul and might try and do right. That is all.

Obama legitimately scares me. McCain is my choice because he at least is honest about who he is. The Republican party hates this man and has for years and yet somehow managed to get nominated. He's not conservative enough for me, but he's at least not a full blown communist like Obama or a run of the mill socialist like Hillary.

You are right though, career politicians stink. Any honest man or woman goes into the private sector now since there is lots more money to be made without having people scrutinize every aspect of your life. This leaves 2 kinds of people to run for office:

1. Attention whores - Hillary and McCain
2. Snake oil/used car salesmen - Obama

The day of the citizen legislator has been gone for years. So we take the least of two evils, which in this case I pick McCain. :(

[AFA]

And fuck Republicans. Attack this guy all you want - and attack me all you want - but we're in this fucking situation because of George Bush. I'm not rich - I don't want taxes, but when I'm not getting a raise because Bush fucked the economy, it doesn't really matter that I'm not paying as much taxes, does it?

We are absolutely not in this situation because of President Bush. This all started with the housing slump and the banks giving loans to people who weren't able to pay. before that happened the country was doing great.

go ahead and look at the stock market over the past 8 years and see what a ridiculous difference was made. I am definitely not saying that the increase was caused by Bush. the president is the leader of our country but he does not have control over the economy.

[MrBogey]

If Americans tossed their AC systems in the ocean and went back to agrarian lifestyles our productivity will drop as well and our consumption ratio will most likely remain unchanged or even possibly increase. We'd have flying cars and cities on the moon if it weeren't for these rubes who believe this garbage.

These guys have the economic sense of 17th century man. And they mock creationists?

[DonTheTrucker]

These guys have the economic sense of 17th century man. And they mock creationists?

You have to understand the mindset of the liberal politician. They buy their power from people who produce nothing or little by giving them handouts. They are invested in doing everything possible to stop economic growth and technological progress. It's been 40 fucking years since we went to the moon. The computer power required for that mission is contained in your iPod now. Why aren't we on Mars now? Why aren't we mining asteroids for the rare minerals we need to build stuff? Why don't we have underwater cities to leave more land to grow our food? Why does a hurricane wipe out a whole major port city when it strikes?

Politicians derive their power from keeping people under their thumb and dependent on the teet of government for their subsistence. A society where everyone contributes is the modern day liberal politician's nightmare.

[AFA]

You have to understand the mindset of the liberal politician. They buy their power from people who produce nothing or little by giving them handouts. They are invested in doing everything possible to stop economic growth and technological progress. It's been 40 fucking years since we went to the moon. The computer power required for that mission is contained in your iPod now. Why aren't we on Mars now? Why aren't we mining asteroids for the rare minerals we need to build stuff? Why don't we have underwater cities to leave more land to grow our food? Why does a hurricane wipe out a whole major port city when it strikes?

Politicians derive their power from keeping people under their thumb and dependent on the teet of government for their subsistence. A society where everyone contributes is the modern day liberal politician's nightmare.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

the underwater cities i thought was a bit of a stretch but other than that it was perfect

[DonTheTrucker]

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

the underwater cities i thought was a bit of a stretch but other than that it was perfect

I think that would be the ultimate in human ingenuity though. Never have to worry about overpopulation, and a lot less expensive than populating the moon or Mars.

[AFA]

I think that would be the ultimate in human ingenuity though. Never have to worry about overpopulation, and a lot less expensive than populating the moon or Mars.

but there is the whole problem with the pressurized environment we would have to create and somehow be able to travel quickly to and from the surface, unless you worked and shopped underwater as well. i think it would be an interesting experience living under water but i would also like to live some place where i can see the sun or [faggy but true]feel the breeze[/faggy but true] without putting too much effort into it. plus barbecuing wouldn't be the same and there would probably be a lot of other logistical problems.

[DonTheTrucker]

but there is the whole problem with the pressurized environment we would have to create and somehow be able to travel quickly to and from the surface, unless you worked and shopped underwater as well. i think it would be an interesting experience living under water but i would also like to live some place where i can see the sun or [faggy but true]feel the breeze[/faggy but true] without putting too much effort into it. plus barbecuing wouldn't be the same and there would probably be a lot of other logistical problems.

Yeah I have no idea how it would be done, just think that the lack of technological advances in the last 40 years (besides entertainment and information devices) is sad. The cars we drive are cleaner and more efficient than what we had then, but they're basically the same concept. We fly in airplanes almost exactly the same as we had then, and we don't go into space anymore because it's "too expensive". Stop paying welfare and build a fucking rocket to go to Mars. The space program brought us so many of the products we use today that it's a SIN that we didn't continue going further.

[Vyce]

Oh and if anyone is going to limit how much steak I can buy, it'd be Congress - you know, who LEGISLATES - not the president. You're confused because Bush instituted that power for himself and pushed unilateral decisions on Congress and on us. And Congress will swing right again if Obama wins. Balance of power.

You're a fool if you believe this. Do you even FOLLOW politics at all? Republicans are set to LOSE more seats, congressionally, not make gains.

Which means that if you wind up with an Obama presidency, you're going to have a Democrat-controlled Congress, which is just as corrupt as the Republicans that they replaced, who will be able to push through (by sheer force of numbers) just about all of Obama's insane policies. So there you go, the Americans just went through about six years of one-party rule, and you individually didn't think that worked out so well for the country, and yet you want to begin that all over again for the other party, who are just as full of shitdick assholes as the ones you replaced. All because you think "change" is necessary. Well, what the rest of us are trying to make YOU realize is that yeah, change will happen, but it will be the sort of thing that will prove disastrous to our nation (yes, as bad as you think things are now, they can get far, FAR worse). In terms of both foreign policy during wartime (Obama just isn't going to win that argument against McCain) and the economy (some of Obama's policies seem doomed to send us into a depression - and no, we actually aren't in one right now, because even if your wallet is a little smaller than it used to be, we're still seeing consistent, steady economic growth as a nation).

[Vyce]

Obama legitimately scares me. McCain is my choice because he at least is honest about who he is. The Republican party hates this man and has for years and yet somehow managed to get nominated. He's not conservative enough for me, but he's at least not a full blown communist like Obama or a run of the mill socialist like Hillary.

What amuses me is that Democrats are trying to paint McCain as the third-Bush term, and are actually fucking arrogant enough to expect us to believe that while ignoring the fact that plenty of fucking REPUBLICANS are pissed off that McCain got the nomination because plenty of them think he's nothing but a RINO anyway. Yeah, Dems - go ahead and try and sell me on the idea that McCain is JUST like Bush, when there's a significant number of his own party (and not even the hardcores!) who think he's a liberal in disguise.

BTW, Don, how dare you criticize Obama. Using his own words and statements against him, why, that's a distraction, taking us away from the real issues, and it does nothing for Michelle Obama's children.

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Write in Ron Paul.

Fuck McInsane/Obama/Hitlary, the old boss is the same as the new boss....

[Arch Stanton]

Allegedly, there's a "sea of people" in Oregon who saw him tonight.

Oregon...Oh, OK

Look, there are the voters that will vote for him if he killed their Dog right in front of them. It is what has to be overcome. I am hoping for the reasonable people of America get so enraged that they get off their asses and vote on Tuesday.

Obama supporters vote on Wednesday.

[BloodyDiaper]

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5h-wpxs1Re-8vx2Zk5xnYygW1W67w



So he wants to limit what cars we drive, how warm we keep our homes and how much we eat? :icon_roll

Nope. He want's people to be better educated so they will make better choices and instead of giving tax breaks to giant SUV owners the way the current administration did, he wants to give tax breaks to corporations and individuals who invest in "green" technology.



It is a sign of appeasement. We didn't break down the Soviet Union by giving them nuclear technology like Clinton did for North Korea or by ignoring Islamofacist revolutions like Carter did for Iran.

No, its not. Talking to our enemies is not appeasement - it helped avert nuclear war with the Soviets, Nixon eased tensions with China, Carter helped negotiate peace between Egypt and Israel. North Korea and Iran are stronger now than they were when Bush took the oath of office so there's no reason to continue his failed policies.



Hey, how about that....more taxes! Who the fuck saw THAT coming? :icon_roll

Fuck Obama in his fucking communist fuckhole. He's not even a socialist. He's a straight up fucking communist

That's a Hillary quote you've attributed to Obama - he's against the gas tax holiday and her idea to make up the difference by taxing the oil companies.

[robertkeys]

i for one think oregon is a beautiful state, with lots of activities. i couldn't recommend it more. mr. obama is well liked and respected, i enjoy listening to him tell me of what he hopes to accomplish.
there was a great sea of people in portland yesterday and i was among them.
but as a non-affiliated voter i am going to throw my vote towards mccain on the premise that the president should be whatever party the senate and house are not. that way there is real discourse.

[BloodyDiaper]

What amuses me is that Democrats are trying to paint McCain as the third-Bush term, and are actually fucking arrogant enough to expect us to believe that while ignoring the fact that plenty of fucking REPUBLICANS are pissed off that McCain got the nomination because plenty of them think he's nothing but a RINO anyway. Yeah, Dems - go ahead and try and sell me on the idea that McCain is JUST like Bush, when there's a significant number of his own party (and not even the hardcores!) who think he's a liberal in disguise.

It doesn't matter if Republicans believe McCain = Bush III. What matters is if independents and swing voters believe there is no crucial difference between them on Iraq, health care, the economy. If they do believe it then McCain is finished.

[Vyce]

No, its not. Talking to our enemies is not appeasement - it helped avert nuclear war with the Soviets, Nixon eased tensions with China, Carter helped negotiate peace between Egypt and Israel. North Korea and Iran are stronger now than they were when Bush took the oath of office so there's no reason to continue his failed policies.


China and the Soviets are / were Communists. As has been discussed before on this board, there's a world of difference between a POLITICAL philosophy and ruling a nation based upon theocratic dogma. The Soviets could be dealt with because compromise was possible in line with their political philosophy. Same with China; especially with China, actually, as our economic relationship with them and the forces of capitalism itself is FORCING them to slowly become more democratic.

But I'm glad you referenced North Korea, because that's a clear example of how the sort of diplomacy Barack wants to engage in can and will fail, as we HAD a deal with the North Koreans, and they flat out broke it with us and developed nukes anyway - as was their plan all along. It's the same with Iran. Iran wants nuclear weapons; absolutely nothing is going to deter them from that course of action, save a war or regime change. They've ALREADY been fucking over the international community for years in that regard.

Edit: And someone else (not on this site) brought up a good point: we "engaged" Russia and China because they already HAD nuclear weapons. Our efforts were to prevent North Korea from doing the same, but as I already pointed out, they fucked us over. Our current policy towards Iran is aimed at preventing them from getting a nuke, but any sort of compromise to appease them on that issue is doomed to go the way of North Korea anyway.

[MrBogey]

The key difference when talking with an opponent is what you're talking about.

Going to talk with the Soviets and the Chinese we went as equals because we could really make the world really shitty if we went to war. So we arranged a joint meeting with a lot of conditions. An example of this is supposedly at one point during a meeting the Soviets got demanding and started telling us what we needed to do. Well the Americans got up and left as they weren't there to be told what to do. Plus we weren't at war with them. If they sent some bombs our way then all talks are off. Truman, Roosevelt, and Wilson never talked with the Germans while we're trying to kill each other.

Meeting with countries that are trying to be big leaguers will only embolden them. Meeting with countries we're fighting with will only encourage them to mindfuck us for political gain.

[DanaReevesLungs]

China and the Soviets are / were Communists. As has been discussed before on this board, there's a world of difference between a POLITICAL philosophy and ruling a nation based upon theocratic dogma. The Soviets could be dealt with because compromise was possible in line with their political philosophy. Same with China; especially with China, actually, as our economic relationship with them and the forces of capitalism itself is FORCING them to slowly become more democratic.

But I'm glad you referenced North Korea, because that's a clear example of how the sort of diplomacy Barack wants to engage in can and will fail, as we HAD a deal with the North Koreans, and they flat out broke it with us and developed nukes anyway - as was their plan all along. It's the same with Iran. Iran wants nuclear weapons; absolutely nothing is going to deter them from that course of action, save a war or regime change. They've ALREADY been fucking over the international community for years in that regard.

Edit: And someone else (not on this site) brought up a good point: we "engaged" Russia and China because they already HAD nuclear weapons. Our efforts were to prevent North Korea from doing the same, but as I already pointed out, they fucked us over. Our current policy towards Iran is aimed at preventing them from getting a nuke, but any sort of compromise to appease them on that issue is doomed to go the way of North Korea anyway.

So when are you running for President since you have all the answers?

I'm tired of having to "settle" for a candidate. I'm not settling this year and am writing in who I think is a viable candidate but would never be elected to a public office, sadly. Ronnie B....SERIOUSLY!

[thetick130]

Nope. He want's people to be better educated so they will make better choices and instead of giving tax breaks to giant SUV owners the way the current administration did, he wants to give tax breaks to corporations and individuals who invest in "green" technology.



Call it whatever you want but putting impossible restrictions on CO2 emissions will drive the price of everything up. And that sounds just dandy when we're at the economic point we are at now. CO2 restrictions will do NOTHING for the environment, and will only harm us financially. Any time someone taxes the big evil coorporations it only ends up hurting the average person, because the extra taxes and fees will have to be made up somewhere.

Coorporations are not the evil part of our country that liberals make it out to be, Big Government is. Big business provides EVERTHING that we use on a daily basis for a very affordable price, and to try and punish them only punishes the consumer. Limiting what cars or food we can buy based on speculative science is horseshit socialist propaganda.

[Vyce]

So when are you running for President since you have all the answers?

2016 is the first presidential election in which I'd be constitutionally eligible.

And I don't have all the answers. I just, sadly, have far more of them than Obama.

[BloodyDiaper]

China and the Soviets are / were Communists. As has been discussed before on this board, there's a world of difference between a POLITICAL philosophy and ruling a nation based upon theocratic dogma. The Soviets could be dealt with because compromise was possible in line with their political philosophy. Same with China; especially with China, actually, as our economic relationship with them and the forces of capitalism itself is FORCING them to slowly become more democratic.

But I'm glad you referenced North Korea, because that's a clear example of how the sort of diplomacy Barack wants to engage in can and will fail, as we HAD a deal with the North Koreans, and they flat out broke it with us and developed nukes anyway - as was their plan all along. It's the same with Iran. Iran wants nuclear weapons; absolutely nothing is going to deter them from that course of action, save a war or regime change. They've ALREADY been fucking over the international community for years in that regard.

Edit: And someone else (not on this site) brought up a good point: we "engaged" Russia and China because they already HAD nuclear weapons. Our efforts were to prevent North Korea from doing the same, but as I already pointed out, they fucked us over. Our current policy towards Iran is aimed at preventing them from getting a nuke, but any sort of compromise to appease them on that issue is doomed to go the way of North Korea anyway.

Libya resembles Iran much more than it resembles China or the U.S.S.R. and negotiations with them brought more gains in peace and stability than refusing to talk to them ever did - even if John Bolton derided it as "appeasment". Too bad the Bush Administration didn't learn from one of their only (shared) foreign policy successes.

I would also point out that throughout the cold war, the right wing made the same arguments against negotiations with our enemies then that they employ today, for example the National Review called Reagan's negotiation with Gorbachev over the IRNF treaty "suicide."

They were wrong then, and when they had a chance to test their "no negotiations" strategy against Iran and North Korea over the last 8 years they have failed. Wrong predictions in theory, failure after failure in practice - the right has zero credibility in foreign policy.

[BloodyDiaper]

Coorporations are not the evil part of our country that liberals make it out to be, Big Government is. Big business provides EVERTHING that we use on a daily basis for a very affordable price, and to try and punish them only punishes the consumer. Limiting what cars or food we can buy based on speculative science is horseshit socialist propaganda.

Those big corporations you're so fond of wouldn't exist without big government intervention in the economy.

Obama is not in favor of limiting what car or food you buy, so the propaganda is coming from you.

[DonTheTrucker]

Obama is not in favor of limiting what car or food you buy, so the propaganda is coming from you.

So why did he say we can't eat as much as we want without the world hating us? Words mean things, Obama has said that himself many times.

If I want to stuff my gullet with food until I'm like a foie gras goose, while driving a Hummer with no exhaust, it's none of Barack Huessein Obama's fucking business.

[weeniewawa]

i for one think oregon is a beautiful state, with lots of activities. i couldn't recommend it more. mr. obama is well liked and respected, i enjoy listening to him tell me of what he hopes to accomplish.
there was a great sea of people in portland yesterday and i was among them.
but as a non-affiliated voter i am going to throw my vote towards mccain on the premise that the president should be whatever party the senate and house are not. that way there is real discourse.


he could only get that kind of crowd in the northwest part of Oregon, his kind better stay out of the eastern part, they think for themselves out there

exactly. the country will only be Ok if there is gridlock. If obamma wins, they will put laws on us we have never thought of. I kinda liked how things were in the mid to late 90's, nothing of much importance got done. Except for that wonderful NAFTA of course. gridlock and in-fighting=our rights and freedoms being saved for a little while longer.

[Jolie]

We are absolutely not in this situation because of President Bush. This all started with the housing slump and the banks giving loans to people who weren't able to pay. before that happened the country was doing great.

go ahead and look at the stock market over the past 8 years and see what a ridiculous difference was made. I am definitely not saying that the increase was caused by Bush. the president is the leader of our country but he does not have control over the economy.

DJIA is up 19.4% since November 7, 2000.

Its up 300% since November 3, 1992.

In increased 49.8% between November 1988 and November 1992.

The housing slump did not start until about 2002 - 2003. There were signs of it that early, and it really started picking up in about 2005 - 2006.

[Zona992006]

What kind of retarded sheep listen to this asshole?


I mean Christ, you gotta be one dumb motherfucker to buy his snake oil speeches.

I agree, I mean look at the polls of those dumb asses supporting him. He really doesnt have too many people following him though, so no worries. ;)

[Jolie]

So why did he say we can't eat as much as we want without the world hating us? Words mean things, Obama has said that himself many times.

If I want to stuff my gullet with food until I'm like a foie gras goose, while driving a Hummer with no exhaust, it's none of Barack Huessein Obama's fucking business.

I think the point is, eat all you want, drive all you want, waste all you want - but make sure you don't then whine about the rest of the world hating us and wonder why.

[DonTheTrucker]

DJIA is up 19.4% since November 7, 2000.

Its up 300% since November 3, 1992.

In increased 49.8% between November 1988 and November 1992.

The housing slump did not start until about 2002 - 2003. There were signs of it that early, and it really started picking up in about 2005 - 2006.

I'm not sure what you're trying to imply. Anyone who blames a president for a slump in the market, or gives him credit for a good market just doesn't understand how the whole thing works.

If any one man is responsible for the boom and subsequent market correction, it would be this guy

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Alan_Greenspan_color_photo_portrait.jpg/455px-Alan_Greenspan_color_photo_portrait.jpg

Once he left things have pretty much been touch and go. The president has little to do with it, besides appointing the Fed chairman.

[DonTheTrucker]

I think the point is, eat all you want, drive all you want, waste all you want - but make sure you don't then whine about the rest of the world hating us and wonder why.

You won't catch me giving a flying fuck what some snail eater in France thinks. They'll love us again soon enough when we save them from the fucking army of muslims amassing inside their country now.

mmmm snails.....i'm fuckin' starving now.

[Zona992006]

Bush's approval ratings are ???? Pretty high right?

[MrBogey]

I would also point out that throughout the cold war, the right wing made the same arguments against negotiations with our enemies then that they employ today, for example the National Review called Reagan's negotiation with Gorbachev over the IRNF treaty "suicide."

I'm a bit cloudy. What became of the IRNF and what did both sides agree to?

[Jolie]

I'm not sure what you're trying to imply. Anyone who blames a president for a slump in the market, or gives him credit for a good market just doesn't understand how the whole thing works.

If any one man is responsible for the boom and subsequent market correction, it would be this guy

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Alan_Greenspan_color_photo_portrait.jpg/455px-Alan_Greenspan_color_photo_portrait.jpg

Once he left things have pretty much been touch and go. The president has little to do with it, besides appointing the Fed chairman.

the point is someone said "look at the stock market over the past 8 years and see what a ridiculous difference was made" and so I did. And then after I did that, I looked to the previous 8 years. And then for fun, and balance, I looked at the 4 years before that. I can't go back farther than that, tho, so I didn't.

[Jolie]

You won't catch me giving a flying fuck what some snail eater in France thinks. They'll love us again soon enough when we save them from the fucking army of muslims amassing inside their country now.

mmmm snails.....i'm fuckin' starving now.

Great. then his comments probably weren't directed at you. They were probably directed at people who wonder why the world hates us. Your post implied you think his comments were trying to limit you from something, I was merely telling you how I interpreted what I read.

[Sinn Fein]

Clinton presidency + fake internet/tech boom = illusion of greatest economic period in American history.

[Fr. Dougal]

I think the point is, eat all you want, drive all you want, waste all you want - but make sure you don't then whine about the rest of the world hating us and wonder why.

So we should purposely limit ourselves just so the rest of the world can feel better about their shitty situation?

Fuck that. Any country in the world could have gotten to where we are now... they were just lazy. Why punish us because we're successful? It's like the fucking mercy rule in little league. We're up by 20 runs, and they wanna reset the score so no one goes home crying?

It's the same idea with all liberal policies. Look at taxes and attitudes towards business -- punish the successful severely, so those who were too lazy to succeed themselves feel better.

[Jolie]

Clinton presidency + fake internet/tech boom = illusion of greatest economic period in American history.

Politics aside, it wasnt just an "illusion". It may not have been sustainable, but that time period WAS a pretty good economic period. The stock market was doing great, housing was on the rise, jobs were more prevalent - all of that leads to some real gains in net worth for people, many people made a killing off of the market, or their houses, or because there were a lot of available jobs and people were doing whatever they could to get good workers to come to them.

Then a lot happened to change that, but it shouldn't really lessen the fact that those times were actually pretty good.

[DanaReevesLungs]

Once he left things have pretty much been touch and go. The president has little to do with it, besides appointing the Fed chairman.

Another Bush crony who was under qualified for the position.

[Jolie]

So we should purposely limit ourselves just so the rest of the world can feel better about their shitty situation?

Fuck that. Any country in the world could have gotten to where we are now... they were just lazy. Why punish us because we're successful? It's like the fucking mercy rule in little league. We're up by 20 runs, and they wanna reset the score so no one goes home crying?

It's the same idea with all liberal policies. Look at taxes and attitudes towards business -- punish the successful severely, so those who were too lazy to succeed themselves feel better.


And the irony is, I still didn't get an "economic stimulus" check. And it wasn't the "liberal" plan that got approved.

You don't have to purposely limit yourself so the world can feel better. But don't go in with some false opinion of WHY the world doesn't like us.

[wes mantooth]

"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK," Obama said.

"That's not leadership. That's not going to happen," he added.


Only losers think this way. This is just a glimpse of the sort of mincing faggotry of a foreign policy we'll have if this clown is elected.

[DonTheTrucker]

Great. then his comments probably weren't directed at you. They were probably directed at people who wonder why the world hates us. Your post implied you think his comments were trying to limit you from something, I was merely telling you how I interpreted what I read.

He may not try to limit how much we eat, but I guarantee that there if he is elected, there will be calls for us to make "sacrifices" like liberal politicians always do. Sacrifice = taxes.

Clinton presidency + fake internet/tech boom = illusion of greatest economic period in American history.

Oh noes! The truth! Hide!

Then a lot happened to change that, but it shouldn't really lessen the fact that those times were actually pretty good.

Except the part where he gave nuclear and missile technology to China and North Korea.

Another Bush crony who was under qualified for the position.

Sure. Bush is the first politician to hire cronies.

You don't have to purposely limit yourself so the world can feel better. But don't go in with some false opinion of WHY the world doesn't like us.

The problem is that some politicians WANT to limit us so that they world will like us better, whether the average American cares what the world thinks or not. I don't mind people who think they're doing a nice thing for the earth by turning their thermostate down to 60 degress, but don't try to force me to do the same. That's the problem I have with Obama and his ilk. They're never satisfied with just asking people to do what's right. They have to force the issue.

[Zona992006]

Did we seriously elect a guy who's family got rich on OIL, and expect things not to be the way they are now?

Bush mentioned we are LOOKING into other options...He is going to put his own family out of business by seriously looking into other means?

When he took over it was $22.00 per barrell, its now $127.00? Voters really are idiots..

[DonTheTrucker]

Did we seriously elect a guy who's family got rich on OIL, and expect things not to be the way they are now?

Bush mentioned we are LOOKING into other options...He is going to put his own family out of business by seriously looking into other means?

When he took over it was $22.00 per barrell, its now $127.00?

Wow, lets see how many ways this post sucks. Bush's family isn't "rich" by oil money standards. He was a failure in the oil business. The only business Bush ran that made money was the baseball team. He's not in the oil business now at all, so he isn't making a fucking penny off of the inflated oil prices.

The oil companies are making a lot of money but the profit margin isn't any higher than it's ever been. The reasons for expensive oil are plentiful, but China buying up all the oil and the speculators going nuts over that are the main reasons.

To blame Bush for the oil prices shows a complete lack of even the most basic understanding of how oil prices and theoil business work. If Gore were president it would probably be $200 a barrel now since we'd still be hiding in our homes afraid of terrorists.

You really do need to stick to the racial threads.

[domelogic]

Did we seriously elect a guy who's family got rich on OIL, and expect things not to be the way they are now?

Bush mentioned we are LOOKING into other options...He is going to put his own family out of business by seriously looking into other means?

When he took over it was $22.00 per barrell, its now $127.00? Voters really are idiots..


yeah this really isnt a good post i dont think i would ever blame a president for the cost of something going up like this i mean if you are going to blame him for this you might as well blame him for how much the cost of food has gone up

[mendozathejew]

Clinton presidency + fake internet/tech boom = illusion of greatest economic period in American history.

he also entered the white house on an upswing from Bush 41's final year in office. Clinton also left office with the economy already beginning the downswing.

[mendozathejew]

The oil companies are making a lot of money but the profit margin isn't any higher than it's ever been.

yeah their profit margins are a lot lower than comparable industries.

[Begbie]

Except the part where he gave nuclear and missile technology to China and North Korea.

Or the part where he ignored the opportunities to grab bin Laden, who, at the time was in the beginning stages of the 9/11 attack planning and whose organization was responsible for the 93 WTC attacks, the Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, the bombings of the US Embassies, and the USS Cole bombing. Oh, but he did order the bombing of abandoned terrorists camps in Afghanistan and a medicine factory in the Sudan after the Tanzania and Kenya US embassies. And I guess he was just too busy getting Marc Rich out of trouble to form a good plan of action after the Cole bombing.

Or the part where he exploited the weaknesses of the United States' fight for all (terrorists) to see by walking away from Somalia.

Or the part where he ignored the Taliban, who took over Afghanistan and immediately offered support and a place for bin Laden and the co-conspirators of the 9-11 attacks.

Or the part where he feels he can say whatever the fuck he wants without facing any repercussions, even under oath. Lies, lies, and more lies. Both Clinton brothers are pathological liars...especially today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjMspC0gFog&eurl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBlBIAt4YZA&eurl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBCmKkLdCuA&eurl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXn2BPT31cY&eurl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It6JN7ALF7Y&eurl-Follow this one up by ANOTHER lie by Bill claiming that Hillary really did come under fire in Bosnia, even after Hillary claimed that she misstated her words.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BrPZYbCdJ4&eurl

[Vyce]

I would also point out that throughout the cold war, the right wing made the same arguments against negotiations with our enemies then that they employ today, for example the National Review called Reagan's negotiation with Gorbachev over the IRNF treaty "suicide."


What?

"Negotiations" with the Soviets didn't end the Cold War.

Us economically BANKRUPTING them using capitalism and other resources at our disposal is what ended the Cold War.

[DanaReevesLungs]

Sure. Bush is the first politician to hire cronies.

No, neither will he be the last and he won't be the first to hire complete incompetence, but in recent administrations he has appointed (or tried to appoint) the least qualified and completely redundant staff I have ever seen.

Only appointed member I truly liked was Powell and then that was fucked up when he went to the UN. I would have voted Powell for President and possibly still would even though that shit went down. Rumsfeld, Gonzalez, Mary Peters, and that old hag whose name escapes me. Too high ranking to be so disappointing.

[Glenn Dandy]

The first quote isn't ponderous - he's just saying if we're going to be assholes about the environment to other countries, we need to lead by example and that it takes all of us together to make a difference.

No candidate is perfect and there's no "for whatever ails you" platform, but I support him because his ideas are much different than what we've been dealing with for a long time. Who is the alternative? McCain? McCain wants to stay the course, like things are fine right now. He's deluded - this country is fucked up and we need something new.

He's not for the tax break holiday - economically, it's a bandaid to get people to forget about the real problem at heart. And about talking with Iran or other hostile nations, why is such a foreign concept to promote diplomacy? Throw out the Cold War reference, but unless I'm mistaken, this is a completely different situation. If it's cowardly to talk to a potential enemy and try to resolve an issue - I'll take being called a pussy so maybe we can less of these animals blowing themselves up and killing innocent people. Fuck pride.

And fuck Republicans. Attack this guy all you want - and attack me all you want - but we're in this fucking situation because of George Bush. I'm not rich - I don't want taxes, but when I'm not getting a raise because Bush fucked the economy, it doesn't really matter that I'm not paying as much taxes, does it?

Snake oil always sounds great in the pitch... It will cure everything that ails ya.
Its new, Its improved, Its what you need.


Its also what some people call.... BULLSHIT.


and its dripping from his ears.



aint non of em worth a fuck... but staying the course right now with McCain might just let you live a few more years.

this country is on the edge of a meltdown....this guy is just telling you what you want to hear. If elected.... you will be so fucked dude.

[MrBogey]

Politics aside, it wasnt just an "illusion". It may not have been sustainable, but that time period WAS a pretty good economic period. The stock market was doing great, housing was on the rise, jobs were more prevalent - all of that leads to some real gains in net worth for people, many people made a killing off of the market, or their houses, or because there were a lot of available jobs and people were doing whatever they could to get good workers to come to them.

Then a lot happened to change that, but it shouldn't really lessen the fact that those times were actually pretty good.

If I gave you a check for a million dollars and you went out and spent it hiring contractors to build you a house as well as start up a small business. What would your economic situation be? What would it be when the check bounced?

The greater the market dupe; the worse the rebound. 2000-01 was a serious correction. This is minor correction although the economic loss was quite great.

[Sinn Fein]

he also entered the white house on an upswing from Bush 41's final year in office. Clinton also left office with the economy already beginning the downswing.

Shhh! We're not supposed to know that.

[DonTheTrucker]

No, neither will he be the last and he won't be the first to hire complete incompetence, but in recent administrations he has appointed (or tried to appoint) the least qualified and completely redundant staff I have ever seen.

Only appointed member I truly liked was Powell and then that was fucked up when he went to the UN. I would have voted Powell for President and possibly still would even though that shit went down. Rumsfeld, Gonzalez, Mary Peters, and that old hag whose name escapes me. Too high ranking to be so disappointing.

He picked some goddamn good judges though. We'll be thanking him for that in 10 years.

[MrBogey]

Oh...since it never got picked up. Here's the result of the IRNF talks...

http://www.fas.org/nuke/control/inf/intro.htm

The Americans and Soviets were discussing intermediate range nukes. Something that really doesn't affect us but affects our allies(the soviets were much further than 5,000km from us). They didn't include the British and French because that was essentially our ace and the ones who really needed intermediate range nukes.

In the end we got the Soviets to reduce nukes that really threatened our allies, our allies kept theirs, and we still had enough nukes to kill each other several times over.

But the really fun part was that both sides kept walking away several times. Ultimately they wanted the treaty more than we did and it heavily favored us. They started the race and we showed them we'd win it so they essentially begged us to stop it. Reagan didn't go talk with them- they talked to us.

Iran and North Korea have a problem. Let them demand peace and buy plane tickets to come here. We don't need to go talk to nobodies. They're the ones that need to talk to us.

[ih8Uboo-boo]

Politics aside, it wasnt just an "illusion". It may not have been sustainable, but that time period WAS a pretty good economic period. The stock market was doing great, housing was on the rise, jobs were more prevalent - all of that leads to some real gains in net worth for people, many people made a killing off of the market, or their houses, or because there were a lot of available jobs and people were doing whatever they could to get good workers to come to them.

Then a lot happened to change that, but it shouldn't really lessen the fact that those times were actually pretty good.

You're right. A lot of people made money under Clinton as part of the "tech boom" but a hell of a lot more lost money in the subsequent bust...

On the contrary EVERYONE made money under Reagan, who was probably more of an influence on the tech boom than Clinton ever could have been.

[DonTheTrucker]

Oh...since it never got picked up. Here's the result of the IRNF talks...

These people who demand we talk to dictators are the same ones that bashed Reagan for walking out of Reykjavik.

[thetick130]

Did we seriously elect a guy who's family got rich on OIL, and expect things not to be the way they are now?

Bush mentioned we are LOOKING into other options...He is going to put his own family out of business by seriously looking into other means?

When he took over it was $22.00 per barrell, its now $127.00? Voters really are idiots..

No sir. YOU are the idiot voter. What party is the one that consistantly blocks all attempts by our country to become energy independent? What party denies us every time we want to drill for oil to increase the supply to reduce the demand (Very simple economics)? What party denies us everytime we want to use an extreamly safe, cost effective, and powerful energy source such as Nuclear?
You sit there on your computer and blame Bush as if he just has the button on his desk that immedietly raises the price of oil so he can get rich. Is everything a right wing conspiracy? How is it the white mans fault now Zona? You consistantly make NO sense on this board.

[Jolie]

Or the part where he ignored the opportunities to grab bin Laden, who, at the time was in the beginning stages of the 9/11 attack planning and whose organization was responsible for the 93 WTC attacks, the Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, the bombings of the US Embassies, and the USS Cole bombing. Oh, but he did order the bombing of abandoned terrorists camps in Afghanistan and a medicine factory in the Sudan after the Tanzania and Kenya US embassies. And I guess he was just too busy getting Marc Rich out of trouble to form a good plan of action after the Cole bombing.



Are all of you unable to read? I said "politics aside". I wasn't talking about Clinton, I wasn't talking about Papa or Baby Bush. I was talking about the economy in the 90s and commenting on the fact that it wasnt an "illusion" of great economic times. People were making money. The economy was great. I don't care what you attribute it to, but the 90s were pretty good.

[Jolie]

If I gave you a check for a million dollars and you went out and spent it hiring contractors to build you a house as well as start up a small business. What would your economic situation be? What would it be when the check bounced?

The greater the market dupe; the worse the rebound. 2000-01 was a serious correction. This is minor correction although the economic loss was quite great.

The people who bought their houses in the mid to late 90s are doing GREAT right now. The people who worked for some of these internet tech companies and cashed out their shares at the right time and put that money into those houses are doing GREAT right now. Not as great as 3 - 5 years ago, but still far better than the people who started buying their houses 3 - 5 years ago.

This current correction has not negated all of the gains of the late 90's. Not even close.

[BloodyDiaper]

What?

"Negotiations" with the Soviets didn't end the Cold War.

I didn't write that they did. I wrote that the right wing consistently opposed negotiations with the enemy throughout the Cold War. They were wisely ignored and proven wrong.

Us economically BANKRUPTING them using capitalism and other resources at our disposal is what ended the Cold War.

Yes - I didn't argue otherwise. One of those "other resources" was negotiations, which accelerated the collapse of the economy.

[Ted the Poster]

I know Obama's true color. Black. And if he was white, all other things being equal, he would've been knocked out of the primaries months ago.

[Zona992006]

Wow, lets see how many ways this post sucks. Bush's family isn't "rich" by oil money standards. He was a failure in the oil business. The only business Bush ran that made money was the baseball team. He's not in the oil business now at all, so he isn't making a fucking penny off of the inflated oil prices.

The oil companies are making a lot of money but the profit margin isn't any higher than it's ever been. The reasons for expensive oil are plentiful, but China buying up all the oil and the speculators going nuts over that are the main reasons.

To blame Bush for the oil prices shows a complete lack of even the most basic understanding of how oil prices and theoil business work. If Gore were president it would probably be $200 a barrel now since we'd still be hiding in our homes afraid of terrorists.

You really do need to stick to the racial threads.

You know what, you are correct...I mean look what happended to the price of a barrel of oil..

This president's family made money on oil..why the hell would he look into alternative energies? The most he has talked about atlernative energies has been in the last couple of months.

HIS FAMILY = OIL BUSINESS...why the hell would he threaten that? It makes sense, you have to agree.


But its cool..his apporval ratings are worse than Nixon's during watergate. That says a lot and is insane.
As far as your terrorist comments, 9/11 happened on his watch, but that is cool, he got Bin Laden...oh wait...nevermind.

[MrBogey]

Zona: You're not convincing anyone you're intelligent by being so dense.

That'd be like someone ranting how Obama would help criminals because he's black...ya know.

[Zona992006]

Zona: You're not convincing anyone you're intelligent by being so dense.

That'd be like someone ranting how Obama would help criminals because he's black...ya know.

wow, how third grade of you.

[MrBogey]

No seriously, you're black...Obama's black. Lots of criminals are black.

You see how retard logic sounds? Because that's all I'm hearing.

Now tell us again how the price of oil is high because of Bush. Or how about you knock it up a notch and tell us how the wind blows because God likes the sound of windchimes.

Oh, and BloodyDiaper. you missed my post about the INF talks. We weren't negotiating with the Soviets as much as the Soviets were looking for a way to back out and save face from a huge fuck up on their part.

[thetick130]

[QUOTE=Zona992006;2639735]
But its cool..his apporval ratings are worse than Nixon's during watergate. That says a lot and is insane.
QUOTE]
30% right now for Bush
OK. lets look at your precious democratic congress.
18.7% for congress
Democrats are just as fucked up

[Zona992006]

No seriously, you're black...Obama's black. Lots of criminals are black.

You see how retard logic sounds? Because that's all I'm hearing.

Now tell us again how the price of oil is high because of Bush. Or how about you knock it up a notch and tell us how the wind blows because God likes the sound of windchimes.

Oh, and BloodyDiaper. you missed my post about the INF talks. We weren't negotiating with the Soviets as much as the Soviets were looking for a way to back out and save face from a huge fuck up on their part.

Question for you about oil...how much was it when he first took office? How much is it now? What business is his family in? These are dumb comparisons?

The average American is just tired of how this country is being run. Do you actually listen to the any news other than Fox's? Are you dense or what? Or are you one of the 200 people in this country who actually like bush? I have heard of you but didnt think I would actually meet one.

Well, hi, nice to meet you. Did you know most of America is not for Bush and his failed policies? Economics, this fucking war, jobs, housing, how he treats vets, etc etc etc..

Mccain = Bush again. That is why he will lose.

[MrBogey]

Question for you about oil...how much was it when he first took office? How much is it now? What business is his family in? These are dumb comparisons?

You ever heard of the term "Correlation does not prove causation"?

You took an event and tied it to another event and expected it to be self-evident without any proof. That's like pointing at OJ and saying, "Is OJ black? Do black people commit murders? C'mon, obviously he's guilty."

[DonTheTrucker]

What business is his family in?

Well, hi, nice to meet you. Did you know most of America is not for Bush and his failed policies? Economics, this fucking war, jobs, housing, how he treats vets, etc etc etc..

The Bush family is in the politics business. Not oil. Hasn't besen for years. Stop trying to ignore the facts.

Most of America also likes to watch D-list celebrities dance on TV. Most of America are fucking idiots.

[Jimmy's Dignity]

That's like pointing at OJ and saying, "Is OJ black? Do black people commit murders? C'mon, obviously he's guilty."

http://www.duepayer.com/images/uncleruckus-guilty.jpg

[ih8Uboo-boo]

Question for you about oil...how much was it when he first took office? How much is it now? What business is his family in? These are dumb comparisons?

Really??? NOBODY ELSE IN THE WORLD INCREASED THEIR OIL CONSUMPTION IN THE LAST 7 YEARS???? (http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_36/b3949086_mz015.htm) Really? No SHIT??? It was Bush this whole time? Why, that motherfucker...

The average American DOESNT HAVE A CLUE ABOUT how this country is being run.Fixed that for you. It's been heading towards the shitter for longer than the last 7 years.


how he treats vets, etc etc etc..Stop, this country has been fucking over vets for years

Mccain = Bush again. That is why he will lose.So McCain is Bush, but Obama's not Wright? Thanks for the clarification...

You know its funny to listen to people rant about Bush and how dumb he is, YET the man was brilliant enough to concoct and get away with not ONE but THREE massive schemes that fucked over the country... Simply Amazing

[Zona992006]

The Bush family is in the politics business. Not oil. Hasn't besen for years. Stop trying to ignore the facts.

Most of America also likes to watch D-list celebrities dance on TV. Most of America are fucking idiots.

Facts

From 2004:
Bush Family Values: War, Wealth, Oil
Four generations have created an unsavory web of links that could prove an election-year Achilles' heel for the president
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0208-05.htm

June 1977
George W. Bush formed his own oil drilling company, Arbusto Energy, in Midland, Tex. James R. Bath, a friend and neighbor, was used to funnel money from Osama bin Laden's brother, Salem bin Laden to set up George W. Bush in the oil business, according to The Wall Street Journal and other reputable sources.

Salem bin Laden, a close friend of the Saudi King Fahd had "invested heavily in Bush's first business venture," according to The Daily Mail
http://www.warriorsfortruth.com/bush-oil.html

A Second Bush Oil Deal To Come With Murky Ties To Saudi Financiers And Osama Bin Laden
http://www.bushwatch.com/bushmoney.htm

05/11/03: (Information Clearing House) Oh what a tangled Web we weave. Salem bin Laden, one of 57 children their father Mohammed sired with his 12 wives, and Bush were founders of the Arbusto Energy oil company in Texas (I assume not with the 12 wives as well).

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3332.htm

You did say the Bush family wasnt involved in oil right?

The profit margin of these oil guys is amazing, but I dont see any relationship to Bush being president and him not finding alternative energy. Did he ever even address drilling here more or some where new?


If need be, I can link more for you sweetie.

[DonTheTrucker]

You did say the Bush family wasnt involved in oil right?

If need be, I can link more for you sweetie.

You're fucking serious? You provided links to BLOGS for your information?

I can find blogs too. (Not Meatspin) (http://bushisanalien.us/)

The least you could have done is find a biased mainstream media link. :icon_roll

[Zona992006]

You're fucking serious? You provided links to BLOGS for your information?

I can find blogs too. (Not Meatspin) (http://bushisanalien.us/)

The least you could have done is find a biased mainstream media link. :icon_roll

This is the very first one I posted:

Bush Family Values: War, Wealth, Oil
Four generations have created an unsavory web of links that could prove an election-year Achilles' heel for the president
Published on Sunday, February 8, 2004 by The Los Angeles Times

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0208-05.htm

I didnt know the Los Angeles Times was a blog...mainstream enough for ya?

Need more puddin?

[Zona992006]

CNN: He completed his Harvard master's of business administration. Then, it was back home to Midland to try the other family business -- oil.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/democracy/bush/stories/bush/

[DonTheTrucker]

This is the very first one I posted:

Bush Family Values: War, Wealth, Oil
Four generations have created an unsavory web of links that could prove an election-year Achilles' heel for the president
Published on Sunday, February 8, 2004 by The Los Angeles Times

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0208-05.htm

I didnt know the Los Angeles Times was a blog...

Need more puddin?

Maybe you should have linked the original article if you wanted to be taken seriously then. Common Dreams isn't exactly the domain name you want showing in an argument about Bush. And no, I don't trust the LA Times either. An election year story about a president they actively hate? Try again.

The truth is that George W. Bush WAS in the oil business. 30 years ago. he was a failure at it.

If you want to argue that he has friends in the oil business, we can find some common ground. But he's not personally profiting from these exorbitant oil prices.

[MrBogey]

but I dont see any relationship to Bush being president and him not finding alternative energy.

How do you find alternative energy?

Do you have any idea what the cost per megwatt is of the various energy production methods?

I'm almost willing to be money you don't.

[mendozathejew]

this has been an issue since the 70s with carter. No one has addressed this issue before. Certainly not Clinton for 8 years.

I love it when people like this act as if all of these problems started in the fall of 01. Bin Laden, Iraq, gas, the economy, all in their minds was just great until Bush walked into office. but in reality that just isnt the case, on any of those issues.

[silentbob8201]

I know Obama's true color. Black. And if he was white, all other things being equal, he would've been knocked out of the primaries months ago.

http://www.hatesauce.com/nyc/nov16/048.JPG

[DonTheTrucker]

CNN: He completed his Harvard master's of business administration. Then, it was back home to Midland to try the other family business -- oil.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/democracy/bush/stories/bush/


The truth is that George W. Bush WAS in the oil business. 30 years ago. he was a failure at it.

Thanks for proving my point. Unless there is some time machine that can transport the price of oil back to 1977, I don't think Bush is really benefiting much personally from these prices. As it stands, he failed in oil.

Oh and another nice election year story from an unbiased source. :action-sm

[DonTheTrucker]

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g60/dwcarpenter151/poster37584029.jpg

[Vyce]

Here's a bit more about Obama's true colors.

Much has been made lately about Obama's willingness to appease.....excuse me, open a dialogue with terrorist-supporting shitbags like Iran. Well, in the wake of that comes a pretty strong ad from the group Vets for Freedom (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/presscenter/blogitem.aspx?id=438), who've got some damning charges against him, including:

1) Senator Obama has never met, one-on-one, with the Commander in Iraq, General David Petraeus.

2) Senator Obama has not visited Iraq, and our brave troops on the ground, in over two years. His last visit to Iraq was January 2006, and he was there for less than two days.

3) On April 8, when two-dozen Illinois veterans went to his office for a meeting, Senator Obama was unwilling to meet with them. He was in the office, just wouldn’t come out.

So yep, Obama is willing to meet with the president of Iran, without conditions, but can't be bothered to meet with the general in charge of our forces in Iraq, or meet with the Iraqi government, or even with Iraq veterans (unless they're anti-war, I guess).

Fantastic. Yay for Obama possibly becoming our next CinC.

[EvilHomerJ666]

Thanks for proving my point. Unless there is some time machine that can transport the price of oil back to 1977, I don't think Bush is really benefiting much personally from these prices. As it stands, he failed in oil.

Oh and another nice election year story from an unbiased source. :action-sm

And you don't get any information from biased sources?