UFC 85 watching thread 3pm est

[Capt.Caveman]

it's on now.....werdum vs vera

tvu

[Capt.Caveman]

if your gonna watch at 10 go away...don't cry about spoilers you've been warned stupid

[mendozathejew]

bad stoppage clearly but the end was near

[Capt.Caveman]

agreed I think the ref was a lil quick

[Cromwell]

bad stoppage clearly but the end was near

Both me and Rogan agree :)

[Capt.Caveman]

I was really excited for that fight they should have let it continue

[mendozathejew]

the best vera could have done was last out the round. around 30 seconds. vera was done

[Capt.Caveman]

Both me and Rogan agree :)

I hope your ready for some of my INCESSANT posting:action-sm

[mendozathejew]

15 seconds he maybe could have survived. I kinda doubt it though

the problem is when youve been mounted and are getting punched for longer than 15 seconds youve competitively lost. especially if the sport is going to be more mainstream, stoppages like this are going to be the norm

[Capt.Caveman]

Werdum is a good fighter I think he'll get the winner of Nog and Mir

[Capt.Caveman]

Vera should go to 205. He would be a fuckin killer....heeyyyyy language brandon

[Cromwell]

I hope your ready for some of my INCESSANT posting:action-sm

Ready?

I plan to participate to extreme :p

[Capt.Caveman]

i hope guy ritchie gives madonna aids

[Cromwell]

Who was the babe between Guy Ritchie and Chuck Lidell?

[Capt.Caveman]

Ready?

I plan to participate to extreme :p

I was hangin with Pale today...turns out our daughters are in the same soccer league

[Cromwell]

I was hangin with Pale today...turns out our daughters are in the same soccer league

I hope you had the two of them throw down MMA style :p

[mendozathejew]

Werdum is very good. taking Vera down isnt easy. He just needs to work on his hands, which he wont get at Chute Box. but hes deceptively big, 6'4 240.

[Capt.Caveman]

marquart vs leites

I like nate here

[Capt.Caveman]

I hope you had the two of them throw down MMA style :p

they actually kept argueing with each other...

[Capt.Caveman]

Werdum is very good. taking Vera down isnt easy. He just needs to work on his hands, which he wont get at Chute Box. but hes deceptively big, 6'4 240.

you don't think chute boxe will help his striking?!?!?!?! or are u talking about just his boxing

[Cromwell]

Werdum is very good. taking Vera down isnt easy. He just needs to work on his hands, which he wont get at Chute Box. but hes deceptively big, 6'4 240.

True.

I hadn't realized he was that size.

Vera looks like he could use a little bit more of muscle building work.

[mendozathejew]

fans are jack asses. boo because of a 10 second lull.

[mendozathejew]

you don't think chute boxe will help his striking?!?!?!?! or are u talking about just his boxing

yeah just the hands Im talking about. Shogun for example, cant punch for shit.

[Cromwell]

Marquart recoverd well.

[Capt.Caveman]

leites wins that rd. nate looked good at the end but theites won most of the rd

[mendozathejew]

knees to a downed fighter change the game so much. knee to the head from side control used to be Rampage's specialty

[Cromwell]

Illegal knee

[Capt.Caveman]

ohhhh bad move nate. i wonder if their gonna take a point

[Capt.Caveman]

yea they took the point...nate may need a ko

[Capt.Caveman]

my player froze FUUUCCCKKK

[Cromwell]

my player froze FUUUCCCKKK

Mine too

[Capt.Caveman]

i keep refreshing and it ends up at the same spot....could be the ppv feed

[mendozathejew]

if leites won rd1, nate needs a KO to avoid a draw, correct?

[Cromwell]

i keep refreshing and it ends up at the same spot....could be the ppv feed

That what I'm thinking.

All the comments in the forum there are saying the same thing.

[Capt.Caveman]

if leites won rd1, nate needs a KO to avoid a draw, correct?

what r u watching on?

[mendozathejew]

Ive got tvu running along with this.....always have 2 options when stealing ppv
http://www.justin.tv/mstv_1

[mendozathejew]

nate had a point taken away for shots to the back of the head but it wasnt really the top. but hes done it enough to warrrant a point imo anyway

[Cromwell]

Ive got tvu running along with this.....always have 2 options when stealing ppv
http://www.justin.tv/mstv_1

Thanks man.

[Capt.Caveman]

2 points taken no way he can win

[Cromwell]

Marquardt had a real good showing there at the end.

[mendozathejew]

pile driver lol. like sapp did to Big Nog.

edit rogan and I are thinking alike

[Capt.Caveman]

thnx

[mendozathejew]

cecil peoples by the way is the biggest jack off judge in boxing and mma.

ponderous decisions from that asshole over the years

[Capt.Caveman]

2 points just too much tough break for nate

[Cromwell]

Its like a moral victory for Nate. He'll get a better match-up next fight because of this good showing.

[mendozathejew]

probably should have been a draw. leites should have finished in round 1

[Capt.Caveman]

it should have been uni dec

[Cromwell]

Ha, ha @ these Setana Sports commercials :)

[Capt.Caveman]

wwhhhooaa commercials?

[Capt.Caveman]

tvu still down

[Capt.Caveman]

cane vs lambert up

[Capt.Caveman]

won lambert got punished...(pat from moonachie laugh)

[mendozathejew]

semi conscious fighter trying to take down the ref- always funny

[Capt.Caveman]

canes a tough kid

[Capt.Caveman]

davis vs swick....i like davis he's a friggin warrior

[Cromwell]

Swick v Davis should be good.

[Capt.Caveman]

i wanna turn off the chat feature. it makes me hate humanity

[Cromwell]

i wanna turn off the chat feature. it makes me hate humanity

Lol!

I actually think its funny.

Anyway, its a lot of Brazilians (or other Spanish types) who's grammar is very questionable :rolleyes:

[Capt.Caveman]

yaaayy pizza's here

[mendozathejew]

smart move pulling guard with a guillitine you didnt have davis

[Capt.Caveman]

swick won that rd davis shouldn't have gone for that guilotine

[Cromwell]

Actually, I'm with mendoza now - the comments are getting really stupid.

[mendozathejew]

Davis blew that round at the end there.

[Capt.Caveman]

2-0 swick

this player keeps jumpin...anyone know how tvu is?

[Cromwell]

2-0 swick

this player keeps jumpin...anyone know how tvu is?

I agree the video quality of this player is not as good.

Lemme know if tvu is back.

[Fustercluck]

nice flurry by swick in the end to offset that point deduction

[mendozathejew]

tvu looks good right now.

that fighter was a stinker imo

[Capt.Caveman]

swick own it. davis fought stupid. this player eats ass

[Cromwell]

tvu looks good right now.



Good.

Thanks.

No surprises.

Swick wins.

[Capt.Caveman]

still can'y get tvu to work

[Hysterectomeal]

I'm reading the pbp on sherdog, how bad was that cut on Davis?

[mendozathejew]

im gonna go with the upset here. day

[Cromwell]

still can'y get tvu to work

Its workin' fine for me.

It is just slightly behind the other one, though. But the much better video quality makes it worth it.

[Capt.Caveman]

ok i got it back!!!!

[Capt.Caveman]

i guess xience is a sponsor again

[Capt.Caveman]

so far i'm 2-2 lost on nate and davis


bisbing and hughes i got for the rest. aslready lost my parlay

[Cromwell]

I hope Bisbing ends this quickly. I want to see the Hughes fight. Its the only one I'm interested in.

[mendozathejew]

or not. very nice win

[mendozathejew]

i guess xience is a sponsor again

ufc has some type of investment with xience. thats what makes the whole stiffing fighters all the more awful

[Cromwell]

The guy was a last minute fill in. He wasn't really adequate competition. Bisbing destroyed him.

[Capt.Caveman]

good stoppage/ i think bisbing gets a title shot soon. not cause he's that great but the 185 weight class is lacking and he's a name that can sell tickets

[mendozathejew]

hughes by kimura

[Capt.Caveman]

christ who else is he gonna thank..... glenn dandy?

[mendozathejew]

The guy was a last minute fill in. He wasn't really adequate competition. Bisbing destroyed him.

Day is a good fighter. Bisping just did really well. he needs to go on the GSP plan imo and go all out on the ground game. I think his potential is more on the round even though hes supposed to be a kickboxer

[Capt.Caveman]

no more undercard fights wtf

[Cromwell]

hughes by kimura

I would love to see that.

Hughes looks very relaxed.

Oh, and I like to thank Glenn Dandy for this opportunity to be here :p

[Capt.Caveman]

hughes via g n p 2nd

[Capt.Caveman]

alves looks pumped

[Capt.Caveman]

is he the only guy to come out to country?

[Cromwell]

Ha, ha. :D

Chuck Lidell signing along with "Country Boy Can Survive" :p

[mendozathejew]

bruce buffer- an auditory abomination

[Capt.Caveman]

hughes looks calm like he's going to the bank. alves is pacing like a tiger

[Capt.Caveman]

cecil peoples is a cunt

[Capt.Caveman]

here we go

[Cromwell]

Hughes *is* working. I don't like the way they officiate this game anymore. They completely ignore the "game" that is BJJ.

[mendozathejew]

Matt Hughes getting put on his back by Alves? thats crazy.

like I said before, Hughes body is calling for a move up in weight. 15 lbs might be too much, but he should give it a try.

[Capt.Caveman]

close rd slight edge to hughes? just for ground control.

[Capt.Caveman]

hughes calls out serra

[Capt.Caveman]

Crazy fuckin knee by alves. title shot in his future

[Capt.Caveman]

wiman vs tavares on

[mendozathejew]

close rd slight edge to hughes? just for ground control.
naah alves won that round. hughes did nothing at all.

and I think judging is finally getting away from ground control points. which is a very good thing imo

[Capt.Caveman]

suprisingly exciting fight thusfar

[Capt.Caveman]

wimanns one of chucks guys now?

[Capt.Caveman]

WOW!!!! wiman looked fuckin great .200% improvement from his TUF appearance

[Capt.Caveman]

tavares is still out

[Capt.Caveman]

alright matt save the scripture sweetie

[supers4972]

I love the Alves flying knee. I hate Hughes and I hope Serra sends him into retirement.

[supers4972]

Kampmann is sick. I have seen him train here in Vegas.

[Capt.Caveman]

rivera vs kampmann

[Capt.Caveman]

Kampmann is sick. I have seen him train here in Vegas.

my parents live in vegas near the sante fe. my nephews out there too. he went to high school there. i lived there for a year before the navy

[Capt.Caveman]

kampmann with a sweet sub

[Capt.Caveman]

complete summary

ANTONI HARDONK VS. EDDIE SANCHEZ

ROUND 1 - Sanchez pushes the action early and knocks Hardonk down. After little action on the ground, the referee stands the fighters up. The fighters clinch, and Hardonk works the knees inside, but Sanchez is then able to move the fight back to the ground. Another standup, then another takedown by Sanchez, and the round ends. MMAjunkie.com scores the round 10-9 Sanchez.

ROUND 2 - Hardonk starts out the aggressor landing a knee and several shots to the body. Sanchez battles back, however, and a wild back-and-forth exchange ensues. Hardonk begins to land the heavier blows, and a strong left hook forces the referee to halt the action. Antoni Hardonk def. Eddie Sanchez via TKO (strikes) -- Round 2, 4:15

JESS LIAUDIN VS. PAUL TAYLOR

ROUND 1 - The two fighters start out trading blows. Liaudin scores a takedown, landing in side control. Liaudin is unable to capitalize on the position, and the fight is returned to the feet. Liaudin scores with a flying knee, but Taylor answers with a punch that drops Liaudin. MMAjunkie.com scores a very close round 10-9 Taylor.

ROUND 2 - Liaudin again scores with the takedown, but is again unable to control Taylor, who escapes to the feet. A second takedown by Liaudin brings the action back to the mat, where he holds Taylor down and lands strikes from the top. Much slower pace to the round. MMAjunkie has it 10-9 Liaudin.

ROUND 3 - Both fighters start out trading kicks. Liaudin again looks for the takedown, but Taylor is able to defend. A second takedown by Liaudin is successful, but he is again unable to control Taylor. Liaudin again scores a takedown, but the referee stands the fight up after action slows. Liaudin pulls gaurd as the round comes to an end. MMAjunkie scores the round 10-9 Liaudin, and the bout 29-28 Liaudin in a close decision. Only one of the three judges agree. Paul Taylor def. Jess Liaudin via split decision (29-28, 29-28, 28-29).

LUIZ CANE VS. JASON LAMBERT

ROUND 1 - Lambert opens up working to close the distance on Cane as quickly as possible. Cane evades Lambert, and lands a solid right that drops Lambert. Once back on his feet, Lambert is dropped again. Cane wants to remain standing and drops Lambert a third time before the referee calls a halt to the action. Cane looks impressive with his striking and aggression. Luiz Cane def. Jason Lambert via TKO (strikes) -- Round 1, 2:07.

KEVIN BURNS VS. ROAN CARNEIRO

ROUND 1 - Carneiro scores an immediate takedown, and remains on top for the entire round. Carneiro throws punches while remaining in control of Burns. Carneiro takes mount as the round closes, and continues to land punches as the round comes to an end. MMAjunkie.com scores the one-sided round 10-9 for Carneiro.

ROUND 2 - Burns stuffs an initial takedown attempt, but is unable to fend off a second attempt as Carneiro takes the fight to the ground. Carneiro again lands punches from the top. Burns remains calm, and locks in a triangle choke. Burns pulls down on Carneiro's head, and lands the come-from-behind submission win. Kevin Burns def. Roan Carneiro via submission (triangle choke) -- Round 2, 2:53.

THIAGO TAVARES VS. MATT WIMAN

ROUND 1 - Both fighters open with wild scrambling, battling for position as well as submissions. Tavares ultimately ends up on top, and remains there throughout the round, landing punches while holding Wiman down. MMAjunkie.com scores the round 10-9 for Tavares.

ROUND 2 - In the second round, the fighters choose to remain standing. Both fighters trade shots, and after the fight moves briefly to the mat, the action returns to the feet and Wiman lands a big right that rocks Tavares. Wiman follows up with another solid right that puts an end to Tavares' night. Matt Wiman def. Thiago Tavares via KO (punch) -- Round 2, 1:57.

MARTIN KAMPMANN VS. JORGE RIVERA

ROUND 1 - Kampmann takes the fight to the ground quickly, and begins landing punches, before taking Rivera's back. Rivera tries to roll, but Kampmann has an arm-triangle choke. Rivera escapes, but Kampmann takes mount and locks in a guillotine. Martin Kampmann def. Jorge Rivera via submission (guillotine choke) -- Round 1, 2:44.

FABRICIO WERDUM VS. BRANDON VERA

ROUND 1 - Vera opens with a leg kick, and works for a clinch. The fighters take turns circling off the cage before Werdum lands a few blows and they seperate. Vera again works to tie-up Werdum, and the fight goes to the mat with Werdum on top. Vera works a closed gaurd before pushing out and standing back up. Werdum tries unsuccessfully to take Vera down, and Vera allows Werdum to stand up. Vera lands a few heavy shots on the feet before the fighters clinch again. Werdum scores a nice hip toss, and the fight returns to the ground. Werdum works to mount, and begins landing multiple punches. Vera tries to cover up, but, ahem, Dan Miragliotta steps in for the hotly-contested stoppage. Vera jumps up screaming, "I'm OK," but it's too late. Fabricio Werdum defeats Brandon Vera via TKO (strikes) -- Round 1, 4:40.


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THALES LEITES VS. NATE MARQUARDT

ROUND 1 - The fight starts slowly, with Leites in the center of the octagon. Marquardt lands a nice combination, and Leites answers with a few punches of hs own. Both fighters remain cautious. Leites lands a huge counter-right, dropping Marquardt. Leites follows to the ground and mounts Marquardt. Leites is patient in mount as Marquardt holds on, and Marquardt eventually works back to half-gaurd. Leites switches to side control, and Marquardt escapes back to his feet. Marquardt lands a shot to the body, then ties Leites up against the cage. Leites wiggles free, and re-takes the center of the octagon. Marquardt lands a big counter of his own, and wobbles Leites. The exciting round comes to a close. MMAjunkie.com score the razor-thin edge for Leites, 10-9.

ROUND 2 - Leites pushes the action, and the fighters clinch against the fence. After a scramble Marquardt ends up on top of Leites and lands a devastating, though illegal knee, as Leites was kneeling on the ground. Leites looks visibly shaken, and says he wants to continue, but the doctor comes in to take a look. Referee Herb Dean insists Leites take his time to recover, and docks Marquardt a point. When the action resumes, Marquardt comes out quickly and pounces on Leites. Raining down punches, Dean warns Marquardt about shots to the back of the head. The devastating ground and pound by Marquardt continues. Leites' face is badly bloodied. Leites tries to hold on as Marquardt continues to deliver blows. Leites can be heard coughing what would seem to be blood. As action slows, Dean stands the fighters up with 30 seconds left in the round. Marquardt charges in again, but Leites ends up on top. The round closes. Great fight so far. Due to the deduction, MMAjunkie.com scores the round a 9-9 draw.

ROUND 3 - Leites again takes the center of the octagon. Leites attempts a flying knee, but Marquardt catches it and goes to the ground. Leites attempts a triangle. Marquardt escapes, and lands a few blows. Dean feels they were to the back of the head, and stops the action to deduct another point from Marquardt. Marquardt would seem to need a finish, having lost two points. Back on the feet, Leites again takes the center of the cage, and the pace slows. The fight moves to the ground, and Marquardt ends up on top. Marquardt lands a few punches on top, and Leites counters with elbows. Leites continues to bleed badly, though Leites rolls, looking to secure an arm. Leites is visibly exhausted. Marquardt lands a pile-driver with 10 seconds remaining. The round ends, and the fighters embrace in the center of the octagon. MMAjunkie.com scores the round another 9-9 draw due to the deduction, and gives the fight to Leites in a super-close 28-27 decision. It should come down to how the judges viewed a very even first round. Thales Leites def. Nate Marquardt via split decision (28-27, 28-27, 27-28).

MARCUS DAVIS VS. MIKE SWICK

ROUND 1 - The fighters alternate punches and kicks to open from the outside before Davis pushes Swick against the cage. A quick scramble and Swick is free, but Davis clinches quickly again, and attempts an unsuccessful guillotine. Swick is in Davis' gaurd, before working to side control. Davis returns quickly to guard. Both fighters land small shots on the ground, while Swick stays on top, in Davis' half-guard. Chants of Ole, Ole coming from the crowd as the action slows. Swick lands a few short elbows, and Davis is starting to bleed a bit. Not much action, but Swick is staying busy enough to avoid being stood up. The round ends and the crowd boo's. MMAjunkie.com scores the round 10-9 for Swick.

ROUND 2 - Swick attempts a kick, and Davis lands a nice left hand counter. Solid kick, then knee by Swick, and Davis is forced to the ground. Swick is again in Davis' guard. Referee Mario Yamasaki tells the fighters to stay active as the crowd again voices its displeasure. Swick moves to half guard, and then side control. Swick tries then for mount, but ends up in half guard. Davis attempts a kimura, but struggles to control Swick's arm. Yamasaki again warns of a stand-up. The fighters finally let loose, and the fight is standing. Davis pushes Swick against the fence, and lands a few punches before clinching. Davis lands a few uppercuts from the clinch, and the two then trade knees. Davis trips Swick, but Swick attempts a triangle once on the ground. A brief scramble bck to the feet, then Swick lands another takedown as the round closes. MMAjunkie.com scores it again 10-9 for Swick.

ROUND 3 - The fighters circle. Swick lands a knee on Davis. A brief clinch, then the fighters seperate. The two exchange - Davis with punches, Swick with knees. Davis again clinches, then backs away, then clinches again. Seperated once more, Davis stalks Swick, but is unable to find a clear opening. The crowd now offers a UFC first - the wave. The action is now very slow, and predominantly in the clinch. David is bleeding badly. Yamasaki halts the fight to deduct a point from Swick for holding the fence. Davis could now earn a draw if he could win the round, but it does not appear he has the energy remaining to do so. Now on the ground, Swick lands punches from Davis' guard. With further chants from the crows, the round comes to an end. MMAjunkie.com scores the round 9-9 with the deduction, and 29-27 for Swick overall. Mike Swick def. Marcus Davis via unanimous decision (29-27, 29-27, 29-27).

MICHAEL BISPING VS. JASON DAY

ROUND 1 - A few tentative exchanges to open. Bisping again looks quicker at 185 pounds. Again, a few traded blows, and the fighters clinch. Bisping utilizes double underhooks, and trips Day. Bisping alternates between standing over Day and throwing punches, many of which land effectively. Bisping moves in to side control. Day rolls out and stands up. Bisping lands a few shots, then another takedown and side control. Bisping works to mount, then the back. Bisping appeared to pass up a few submission attempts in order to keep pounding on Day. Bisping lands a few more solid shots, and referee Dan Miragliotta can be counted on to make the first-round stoppage. This one though, was much less controversial, as Bisping simply overwhelmed Day. Michael Bisping def. Jason Day via TKO (strikes) -- Round 1, 3:42.

THIAGO ALVES VS. MATT HUGHES

ROUND 1 - Hughes shoots in, but Alves sprawls and seperates. A second shot, and Alves again defends well, but Hughes pulls guard. Alves lands a big elbow from top, then stands up. Alves lands a knee in the clinch, and Hughes is already bleeding. The fighters go to the ground, and Hughes winds up on top, in Alves' half guard. Alves moves to full guard, then tries to stand up, but Hughes grabs Alves' legs, and keeps the fight on the ground. Hughes is relatively inactive from half mount. Referee Herb Dean warns Hughes to pick up the pace. Hughes continues to ride Alves. Alves stands up, then a scramble lands the ground back on the ground. the first round ends with Alves in Hughes' guard. MMAjunkie scores the round 10-9 for Alves based on effective striking despite Hughes spending the majority of the round on top. This could easily be a split round.

ROUND 2 - Hughes shoots in again, and eats a knee in the process before pulling guard. Backon their feet, Alves lands a huge flying knee, then pounces on the wounded Hughes. Alves lands a few hard blows before Dean steps in to halt the bout. Hughes' knee buckled badly when he fell. Thiago Alves def. Matt Hughes via TKO (strikes) -- Round 2, 1:02.

[askewcore]

Any of yous guy got a link I can watch the 10 o clock ppv on? I tried myp2p and came up empty.

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[JMCC]

Too bad for Hughes, I was hoping he would win, but that knee was just perfect.

I can't wait for Hughes to destroy Serra and shut his big mouth...

[Cromwell]

Too bad for Hughes, I was hoping he would win, but that knee was just perfect.

I can't wait for Hughes to destroy Serra and shut his big mouth...

I with you bro.

But - Hughes better have more in his arsenal than just shoot in for the takedown.

Did he throw *one standup* punch at Alves? Hughes' game is so one dimensional now. Yeah, he attempted a few submissions from his back there - but Alves is too well trained to be fooled by that. And certainly Serra is as well.

The reason Alves was able to land that knee is because Hughes game is so predictable now. He was waiting on the shot and landed the knee. The same thing BJ did to Sherk. This, after the striker had already softened the wrestler up with prior strikes.

This game *is* moving away from the wrestlers now. Maybe that's a good thing, I don't know.

The one thing Serra will not have is a size advantage on Hughes - which Alves clearly did. That kid earned himself some high level competition right away. Perhaps Josh Koscheck.

I just hope Dana White appreciates the fact that Matt Hughes is always there, willing to take the high-risk fight on short notice - everytime the UFC needs bailing out.

First - it was when Serra got hurt - Hughes took St. Pierre when clearly it was not to his advantage to do so.

Then - Chuck gets hurt - and who does Dana call to bail him out again? For Hughes to take that Alves fight - there was very little to gain and so much to lose (and that's exactly what happened).

The only thing Hughes has earned now - is a chance to go into retirement with a win over the guy who has fashioned himself into being his biggest rival. Then he can focus on his school. He will become what Pat Militech did.

Does everyone agree with Joe Rogan - who said that American Top Team (where Alves trained) is the *best* of all the fight schools? I was shocked to hear that - since I was under the impression that Greg Jackson's camp in Albuquerque, New Mexico was regarded as the number one place to go and train MMA.

[mr. sin]

Any of yous guy got a link I can watch the 10 o clock ppv on? I tried myp2p and came up empty.

IF U WANNA DL IT LET ME KNOW ILL TOSS U LINKS!

[mendozathejew]

Does everyone agree with Joe Rogan - who said that American Top Team (where Alves trained) is the *best* of all the fight schools? I was shocked to hear that - since I was under the impression that Greg Jackson's camp in Albuquerque, New Mexico was regarded as the number one place to go and train MMA.

Im not sure there is an absolute #1. the sport in general is so unpredictable that a camps success is as well. same with boxing. one day you hear a trainer is one of the best, a few of his fighters lose and suddenly hes garbage.

I dont remember Rogans exact line. But ATT is one of the biggest camps, and I remember Rogan talking a lot about the number of quality training partners Alves had access to and how its helped him improve. it might have just been the best in that context

[Cromwell]

Im not sure there is an absolute #1. the sport in general is so unpredictable that a camps success is as well. same with boxing. one day you hear a trainer is one of the best, a few of his fighters lose and suddenly hes garbage.


Good point. Its true - ultimately its the success of the actual fighters that will be the true measure of which camp is "best" or not. :icon_wink

You're right that they're all at an extremely high level. Whether its John Hackelman's gym that trains Lidell - or all the little gyms you see on the Tapout show.



I dont remember Rogans exact line. But ATT is one of the biggest camps, and I remember Rogan talking a lot about the number of quality training partners Alves had access to and how its helped him improve. it might have just been the best in that context

I think it was. They brought in wrestlers to mimic Hughes' style - and it really paid off for Alves.

Speaking of whom -there is a raging debate over on Sherdog - as to weather Alves came in heavy on purpose (or didn't try to cut weight hard enough - and kept it from the Hughes camp - when the honorable thing would have been to let them know he wasn't going to make weight - so that Hughes would have to make the 170 threshold).