No Blu-ray for Xbox 360.

[Edible Napalm]

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/880/880138p1.html

Microsoft's Robbie Bach has categorically denied a fresh round of rumours that the Xbox 360 will be supporting Blu-ray in the near future, but was less quick to scotch speculation that motion controls were on their way to the console.

Bach, who has the pleasure of overseeing the Entertainment & Devices Division, reiterated the company's stance on the technology in an interview with
SF Gate, emphasizing Microsoft's focus on delivering content over Xbox Live. "You have to look at how fundamentally compelling the difference is between a progressive scan DVD player and the picture that it can produce and what you get on a high-definition player," he added, "The reality is there is some difference, but most people look at it and say, "I am not going to pay extra for that."

One persistent rumour that looks to have more credence is the possibility of motion controls coming to the 360, with Bach conceding that it's an interesting technology whilst reiterating Microsoft's own innovations. "Look at things that are happening in music games and the massive popularity of things like Rock Band and Guitar Hero," said Bach, "Look at the phenomenon that is Xbox Live and what that's done and how that is changing the game space. If you were doing a canonical of what's new and exciting in this generation, you would put all three as the major trend of things that are happening in the marketplace. We participate in some of those and we don't participate in others. That's what defines the differences between us and Nintendo. We don't have any specific plans about what we are going to do technologically."

When further pushed on whether work was taking place on the technology, Bach said that "We have people working on all kinds of things."

[Shadow812]

Stupid Move with no Blue-ray.

[MrBogey]

There's a video floating around from within MGS4 supposedly of the characters praising Blu-ray technology on the PS3. So I guess blu-ray and MGS4 aren't in the cards for the 360 ever.

[Snake2k9]

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[jsc315]

yes because microsoft is going to work with sony who makes the PS3. Of course they not going to have blu ray in the 360.

[BlackNinja]

yes because microsoft is going to work with sony who makes the PS3. Of course they not going to have blu ray in the 360.

blu ray association owns the rights to producing blu ray products

[lilherojimmy]

Haven't we had this discussion before?

[Chester'sLiver]

my initial thought when I saw the thread title was "so?" .... but then I remembered I own a PS3 so that is why I didn't care...Blu-Ray is a fantastic way to watch a film... Until MGS4 its the only reason I use the PS3...so yeah it would suck not to have one...

[Slayback]

Not a big surprise. Microsoft is hell bent on Digital Distribution. That way they can nickle and dime us to death. I'm getting tired of all the ads and shit on Live too. I thought the $50 a year was so I could get a smooth online experience and some free DLC occasionally. Instead it's full of ads and nothing worth a shit is free.

Oh well, fuck it. They'll just put Blu-Ray in the next XBOX and I'll have a PS3 long before then.

[freud]

I'm getting tired of all the ads and shit on Live too. I thought the $50 a year was so I could get a smooth online experience and some free DLC occasionally. Instead it's full of ads and nothing worth a shit is free.

I've been hearing more complaints about the ads recently, and I really don't get it. They never bothered me in the slightest, and if anything, they only alerted me that something worth downloading was on the marketplace or when a certain game was coming out. It's not like they're popping up during gameplay or on a loading screen or something, they just sit on your dashboard, and it really doesn't bother me since I don't spend very much time on there anyway.

I see your complaint with DLC (why does EVERYTHING I want have to cost $10?) but the online experience is pretty smooth from what I've seen. Worth the money in my opinion. But even if they gave the option to turn the ads off if you were paying, I'd leave them on. I didn't find out until twenty minutes ago that the Civilization demo was out and that was thanks to a dashboard ad.

[DR. Jimcy M.E.]

PS3 can keep its blue ray, except for metal gear and god of war the system is all japanese role playing games for the most part. I'll keep my gears, halo and Ninja Gaiden games. I'm not a 12 year old Asian kid, I don't want to play games where all the characters look like there from anime. I want to shoot things and I want my role playing games to look semi realistic with no children side kicks.

[Blue Heeler]

PS3 can keep its blue ray, except for metal gear and god of war the system is all japanese role playing games for the most part. I'll keep my gears, halo and Ninja Gaiden games. I'm not a 12 year old Asian kid, I don't want to play games where all the characters look like there from anime. I want to shoot things and I want my role playing games to look semi realistic with no children side kicks.

help meh! help meh! I'm drowning in all the japanese role playing games on the PS3....oh wait, there aren't any. ::hammer:

[Chester'sLiver]

help meh! help meh! I'm drowning in all the japanese role playing games on the PS3....oh wait, there aren't any. ::hammer:

FF13.... Kingdom of Hearts...are a just a couple of the exclusive Japenese RPGs he was talking about....but 360 ha Lost Odyssey...just stating some facts..:action-sm



oh and can't wait for either of those games btw...

[Blue Heeler]

FF13.... Kingdom of Hearts...are a just a couple of the exclusive Japenese RPGs he was talking about....but 360 ha Lost Odyssey...just stating some facts..:action-sm

oh and can't wait for either of those games btw...


Neither are out yet, that's my point.

[ruckstande]

Until Blue-ray becomes a really big deal I could give two shits. No one I know owns one, they aren't affordable yet so no one I know will get one and I have over 300 DVD's that I just relatively bought so I'm not going to start buying them all over again. I barely watch DVD's at my own house anyway so what good is something I can't watch anywhere else. Maybe in 4 or 5 years it will be a must have but I don't think it is panning out that way.

[Razor Roman]

Until Blue-ray becomes a really big deal I could give two shits. No one I know owns one, they aren't affordable yet so no one I know will get one and I have over 300 DVD's that I just relatively bought so I'm not going to start buying them all over again. I barely watch DVD's at my own house anyway so what good is something I can't watch anywhere else. Maybe in 4 or 5 years it will be a must have but I don't think it is panning out that way.

but you know me, sir.

I have a BD player- don't even own a video game system. And you don't have to rebuy all your movies you silly goose, just ones you want to replace or new ones!

[Blue Heeler]

Until Blue-ray becomes a really big deal I could give two shits. No one I know owns one, they aren't affordable yet so no one I know will get one and I have over 300 DVD's that I just relatively bought so I'm not going to start buying them all over again. I barely watch DVD's at my own house anyway so what good is something I can't watch anywhere else. Maybe in 4 or 5 years it will be a must have but I don't think it is panning out that way.

Live in a cave much? Do you own an HDTV? The difference in quality from DVD to Blu-ray is amazing.

[ruckstande]

Live in a cave much? Do you own an HDTV? The difference in quality from DVD to Blu-ray is amazing.

What part of "I barely watch DVD's at my own house" didn't your read? They are too expensive and most people don't care enough to buy one so finding some place to watch it isn't that convenient or practical.

[TaboriHK]

There's a video floating around from within MGS4 supposedly of the characters praising Blu-ray technology on the PS3. So I guess blu-ray and MGS4 aren't in the cards for the 360 ever.

That's been the company line for a while.

[WhiteHonkyDevil]

Live in a cave much? Do you own an HDTV? The difference in quality from DVD to Blu-ray is amazing.

Great...except for, much like Ruckstande, I have a shitload of DVDs. I'm not about to buy BluRay just to go and pay for the same movies I already have...because the picture is better.

[DR. Jimcy M.E.]

help meh! help meh! I'm drowning in all the japanese role playing games on the PS3....oh wait, there aren't any. ::hammer:

Final Fantasy in its many many forms, enchanted arms, Digaea series, kingdom hearts, Valkyria Chronicles, The Last Remnant and just for fun I'm sure Japan will make another Dynasty Warriors game. Not an RPG but still they Japanese love to make endless remakes. I think theres like 20 different gundam games at this point, maybe more.

Theres another JRPG coming out but it looks like there trying to steal the Oblivion type world exploring, can't remember its name but all the characters are anime looking.

[DR. Jimcy M.E.]

FF13.... Kingdom of Hearts...are a just a couple of the exclusive Japenese RPGs he was talking about....but 360 ha Lost Odyssey...just stating some facts..:action-sm



oh and can't wait for either of those games btw...

Oh I'm fully aware of lost odyssey but other then lost odyssey I can't really think of any other ones beside that. I'm sure theres prob one maybe two more but still there no way near as abundant as on the PS3.

[Edible Napalm]

PS3 can keep its blue ray, except for metal gear and god of war the system is all japanese role playing games for the most part. I'll keep my gears, halo and Ninja Gaiden games. I'm not a 12 year old Asian kid, I don't want to play games where all the characters look like there from anime. I want to shoot things and I want my role playing games to look semi realistic with no children side kicks.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/880/880494p1.html

Square Enix, Inc., the publisher of Square Enix interactive entertainment products in North America, announced three new RPG titles for Microsoft Xbox 360 system that will be released in North America, beginning with Infinite Undiscovery followed by The Last Remnant and Star Ocean: The Last Hope. All three RPGs will be developed for global releases in 2008-2009.

"Square Enix is expanding on its commitment to deliver exciting gaming experiences to our fans all around the world," said John Yamamoto, president and chief executive officer of Square Enix, Inc. and Square Enix, Ltd. "Infinite Undiscovery, The Last Remnant and Star Ocean: The Last Hope represent significant steps in bringing our titles to a global audience and to make each new release a global event."

Infinite Undiscovery

Publisher: Square Enix, Inc.

Developer: tri-Ace Inc.

Platform: Xbox 360 Exclusive

Genre: RPG

ESRB: Not Yet Rated

Ship Date: September 2, 2008

Developed by tri-Ace Inc.

Infinite Undiscovery is a collaborative project with fan favorite development studio tri-Ace Inc. (Star Ocean and Valkyrie Profile). The game will be released worldwide in September with the North American version shipping on September 2nd, available across Europe and other PAL territories on September 5th and released in Japan on September 11th.

The Last Remnant

Publisher: Square Enix, Inc.

Developer: Square Enix Co., Ltd.

Platform: Xbox 360 / PlayStation 3 computer entertainment system

Genre: RPG

ESRB: Not Yet Rated

Ship Date: (Xbox 360) This Winter / (PlayStation 3) TBA

The Last Remnant is the first RPG in a new series brought to you by Square Enix's next-generation creators, scheduled for a global release this winter on Xbox 360.

Star Ocean: The Last Hope

Publisher: Square Enix, Inc.

Developer: tri-Ace Inc.

Platform: Xbox 360

Genre: RPG

Developed by tri-Ace Inc.

ESRB: Not Yet Rated

Ship Date: Scheduled for 2009

Star Ocean: The Last Hope is the latest entry in the futuristic space opera RPG series
Star Ocean. The game is scheduled for a global release in 2009.

About Square Enix Co., Ltd. and Square Enix, Inc.

Square Enix Co., Ltd. (Square Enix), with headquarters in Tokyo, Japan, develops, publishes and distributes entertainment content including interactive entertainment software and publications in Asia, North America and Europe. Square Enix brings two of Japan's best-selling franchises - Final Fantasy, which has sold over 80 million units worldwide, and Dragon Quest, which has sold over 43 million units worldwide - under one roof. Square Enix is one of the most influential providers of digital entertainment content in the world and continues to push the boundaries of creativity and innovation.

Square Enix, Inc. is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Square Enix Co., Ltd. with offices in Los Angeles, California. It handles operations in North America, including development, localization, marketing, and publishing of Square Enix titles. More information on Square Enix can be found on the Internet at http://www.square-enix.com.

Also there was Bule Dragon on the 360.

[Slayback]

Oh I'm fully aware of lost odyssey but other then lost odyssey I can't really think of any other ones beside that. I'm sure theres prob one maybe two more but still there no way near as abundant as on the PS3.

Lost Oddyssey was terrible. Fuck reading the dream segments. I will be getting a PS3 by August for Disgaea 3 though. Strategy RPGs are the shit.

[Chester'sLiver]

Lost Oddyssey was terrible. Fuck reading the dream segments. I will be getting a PS3 by August for Disgaea 3 though. Strategy RPGs are the shit.

I couldn't disagree more... Lost Odyssey ruled...just sayin'

[TaboriHK]

Considering one of your first opponents was a flamethrower wielding....giant sword reverse catapult, that you COULDN'T AVOID....yeah, I checked out of Lost Odyssey pretty quick.

http://image.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Technology/Pix/pictures/2008/03/05/Lost-Odyssey460.jpg
the thing on the left.


Also, the whole brooding main character thing really turned me off. I might pick it up again, but it shifted to the bottom of the pile, and the pile at the moment is pretty sizeable.

[silentbob8201]

Great...except for, much like Ruckstande, I have a shitload of DVDs. I'm not about to buy BluRay just to go and pay for the same movies I already have...because the picture is better.

The Backwards compatibility means nothing? How about it Upgrades the picture quality ?

[roche]

The Backwards compatibility means nothing? How about it Upgrades the picture quality ?

If you have an HDMI Xbox they will already upscale to 1080. If you don't you could just grab a DVD player that does for about 50 bucks.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000N254LU/ref=pd_cp_e_1?pf_rd_p=250314601&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000F2KUK8&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0X4GD75MVZCWDHPEF18Z

[ruckstande]

If you have an HDMI Xbox they will already upscale to 1080. If you don't you could just grab a DVD player that does for about 50 bucks.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000N254LU/ref=pd_cp_e_1?pf_rd_p=250314601&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000F2KUK8&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0X4GD75MVZCWDHPEF18Z

Upscaling isn't as good as Blue-ray but I'm not convinced Blue-ray is going to replace DVD's anytime soon. Times are tight and people don't want to spend the money and blue-ray player sales have tumbled big time.

[roche]

Upscaling isn't as good as Blue-ray

I was speaking strictly about the backwards compatibility aspect of the player.

[WoodenPlank]

If you have an HDMI Xbox they will already upscale to 1080. If you don't you could just grab a DVD player that does for about 50 bucks.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000N254LU/ref=pd_cp_e_1?pf_rd_p=250314601&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000F2KUK8&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0X4GD75MVZCWDHPEF18Z

So the HDMI equipped 360s natively upconvert DVDs without using the shitty HD-DVD addon? Fuck, thats good to know.

[roche]

So the HDMI equipped 360s natively upconvert DVDs without using the shitty HD-DVD addon? Fuck, thats good to know.

Yep, but you have to use the HDMI cable. Component only outputs at 480p.

[WoodenPlank]

Yep, but you have to use the HDMI cable. Component only outputs at 480p.

Damn, thats good to know. Now I dont have to buy the HD DVD addon or an upconvert player when I finally get around to getting an HDTV. Speaking of, I need to start a new thread. I doubt im going to be able to afford the Samsung TV Ive been wanting, and its time to start looking at a lower cost alternative.

[Blue Heeler]

Damn, thats good to know. Now I dont have to buy the HD DVD addon or an upconvert player when I finally get around to getting an HDTV. Speaking of, I need to start a new thread. I doubt im going to be able to afford the Samsung TV Ive been wanting, and its time to start looking at a lower cost alternative.

32" Westinghouse HDTV 720p (1080i) was $600 a few months ago. Works great for movies (Blu-ray) and PS3 gaming...should be nice for 360 gaming as well.

[WoodenPlank]

32" Westinghouse HDTV 720p (1080i) was $600 a few months ago. Works great for movies (Blu-ray) and PS3 gaming...should be nice for 360 gaming as well.

I refuse to go less than 1080p and 8ms, even though Im probably going to have to keep price down. Ive seen how amazing a 46" 1080p TV looks, and I dont think I could settle for less.

At the moment, its between these three, in order of preference:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889102203
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889102202
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889102132

[Slayback]

Considering one of your first opponents was a flamethrower wielding....giant sword reverse catapult, that you COULDN'T AVOID....yeah, I checked out of Lost Odyssey pretty quick.

http://image.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Technology/Pix/pictures/2008/03/05/Lost-Odyssey460.jpg
the thing on the left.


Also, the whole brooding main character thing really turned me off. I might pick it up again, but it shifted to the bottom of the pile, and the pile at the moment is pretty sizeable.


True. The game looked great but the memory thing was the final straw for me. It took like 15 fucking minutes to READ the first one. Not only is that a poor way to tell a story in a video game, it's painful on the eyes after a while. I'd rather they just sell me a book then try to get me to read all that shit in a video game.

Lost Odyssey was also like 3 or 4 discs right? That was kind of annoying too. MS needs to make the shift to Digital Distribution, have an option to install to HD, or come out with a Blu-Ray addition for gaming.

[roche]

Damn, thats good to know. Now I dont have to buy the HD DVD addon or an upconvert player when I finally get around to getting an HDTV. Speaking of, I need to start a new thread. I doubt im going to be able to afford the Samsung TV Ive been wanting, and its time to start looking at a lower cost alternative.

Do not get the HD-DVD addon for the 360. It pretty much sticks because of the fact it uses the USB interface on the 360.

[TeenBungle]

Oh I'm fully aware of lost odyssey but other then lost odyssey I can't really think of any other ones beside that. I'm sure theres prob one maybe two more but still there no way near as abundant as on the PS3.

Blue Dragon right?

EDIT: Someone beat me to it. I got my PS3 for only a few reasons. One I am used to the controller and the product and I enjoy it. I have only played a XBOX twice in my life. Never a 360. I'm sure it's great.

One huge reason I chose a PS3 was the red ring of death. Not that I thought I'd get it but I had too many people I knew who had to ship their machines back to get a new one. That was a pain in the ass for them. Another reason was I'm not going to pay for fucking playing online. Maybe it's slightly better(?) but I have had NO problems with online play with Call of Duty and other games. GTA4 is a different story. EVERYONE was having problems. I think the GTA4 online was put together shitty. The online itself is great but the lobby or whatever you call it blows. One or two people leave a game before loading and you are sent back to in game of your single player game.

I don't care that XBOX gets GTA4 DLC. It's coming out in 2009. I'm just about done with that game anyways. I'm on the last mission and kkeep failing so I switched back to COD. If anything it pisses me off that ROCKSTAR gave only one console DLC. If they did that for PS3 i'd be equally as pissed. It's not fair to ppl who paid good money for the fucking game. I bought PS3 knowing i wasnt getting the DLC.

I got the PS3 for upcoming games like Metal Gear Solid 4, Little Big Planet, Killzone, the new Yakuza 3, and (tying this whole thing together) FF13. I don't really care for RPG's i never buy or rent them. Save for FF. I just have a soft spot for those games.

I was only tempted once to buy a 360 because of Bioshock. Gladly I didn't because it's coming to PS3 in Oct. with new content.

The Blu-Ray was not a bad reason to get it either. The Xbox has many pluses too. You guys are getting a lot of games I can't get. I would kill to get Gears of War on PS3. But I get Little Big Planet and MGS so it's all cool. The ranking shit for online is pretty cool to.

[BIV]

Meh, who cares. By the time I can actually afford an HDTV blue ray players will be affordable.

And Lost Odyssey was a fantastic game. Nice, old school RPG action. And I loved the dream sequences. Nice to see more RPGs are on their way to 360. I just hope they stay away from real time combat unless it's Elder Scrolls style.

[DR. Jimcy M.E.]

I was only tempted once to buy a 360 because of Bioshock. Gladly I didn't because it's coming to PS3 in Oct. with new content.



Don't believe the hype, I played this and was really disappointed. Like Oblivion its all looks and no substance.

[Blue Heeler]

I was only tempted once to buy a 360 because of Bioshock. Gladly I didn't because it's coming to PS3 in Oct. with new content.

Just get Gears of War on PC if you want to play it. Using a keyboard + mouse for a shooter (3rd person in this case) is always better.

FYI, I'm not buying this game, I have more games than I can play already.

[Chester'sLiver]

Blue Dragon right?

EDIT: Someone beat me to it. I got my PS3 for only a few reasons. One I am used to the controller and the product and I enjoy it. I have only played a XBOX twice in my life. Never a 360. I'm sure it's great.

One huge reason I chose a PS3 was the red ring of death. Not that I thought I'd get it but I had too many people I knew who had to ship their machines back to get a new one. That was a pain in the ass for them. Another reason was I'm not going to pay for fucking playing online. Maybe it's slightly better(?) .

there was too much to quote...I have both systems and its not slightly better. Its extremely better...I have used both PSN sucks a dick... this is all my opinion but I have heard the same from the people I know who have both PS3 and XB360..

[Blue Heeler]

I've not had any problems with PSN. I am concerned with the new Qore subscription though. It's $24.99/yr for exclusive videos, beta invites, demos, themes and wallpapers. Of course, I fanboi'd up and payed for it...

All I can say is...Soul Calibur 4 and Star Wars Unleashed look amazing.