Interesting news on Autism.

[Glenn Dandy]

Here are a few articles of things I've read latley that I feel are kinda Important if you are at all interested in the Autism cause, and would like a better understanding of its causes and treatments.

It is a very complicated problem... but, Slowly we are all learning.

the first article is basically the top scientists are bailing out of their statements that Thimerisol didnt cause Autism... I guess its time to cover their asses.

PUBLIC HEALTH

Government’s Defense of Mercury in Vaccines Shaken by Withdrawal of Expert Reports

From a CoMeD announcement. www.mercury-freedrugs.org

In the United States Court of Federal Claims, National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, the contention by the Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS), that mercury in vaccines does not cause autism, has suffered an unexpected setback. In a June 27, 2008 Autism Omnibus Proceeding (OAP) conference, attorneys for the DHHS announced that they were withdrawing two key written reports and any statements which relied on those reports. Those key reports, written by two world-renowned toxicologists (Dr. Laszlo Magos, formerly from the Medical Research Council Laboratories, England, and Dr. Thomas Clarkson, from the University of Rochester, Rochester, NY USA), were the toxicological pillars underpinning the government’s claim that Thimerosal does not cause autism.
On July 3, 2008, the three OAP Special Masters recorded that they had granted the DHHS’ request to withdraw the expert reports of Drs. Magos and Clarkson. In addition, their court order stated: “… respondent would be permitted to withdraw any reliance on those two expert reports, and that we would not consider those reports at all in resolving those test cases."
Ironically, though Drs. Magos and Clarkson were expected to testify to the safety of Thimerosal in vaccines, their previous publications clearly document its significant toxicity. For example, Dr. Clarkson, working under a grant from the National Institutes of Health (NIH), essentially declared that organic mercurial antiseptics, including Thimerosal, should be heavily restricted or withdrawn, “as the fact that mercury readily penetrates intact membranes and is highly toxic seems to have been forgotten” in a peer-reviewed study published in 1977.
With the recent publication of studies proving a link between Thimerosal exposure and autism, the current exodus of experts who are willing to testify for the DHHS that Thimerosal does not cause autism appears to be escalating.
Tellingly, Dr. Bernadine Healy, the former director of the National Institutes of Health, also recently said: “I think the government or certain public health officials in the government have been too quick to dismiss the concerns of these families without studying the population that got sick."



The second article explains that Autism isnt actually genetic... but how good genes get destroyed by chemicals, environmental, and man made being more the reality.

On Gene Findings Hint at Common Mechanism in Autism

By Bob Krakow on the EOHarm discussion list.
tinyurl.com/5wxuql

Most media treatments of genetics play into the concept that genetics = destiny. Most researchers in the gene field utilize this misconception to elevate the significance of genetics and to make their genetic research a more powerful magnet for funding.
But, in some ways this article tinyurl.com/5lz2v5 conveys the reality that genes are but one component in the complex biochemical mechanism in humans.
In fact, most genetic findings corroborate, ironically, the importance of environmental factors. Time and again a finding that a gene defect associated with certain symptoms - like symptoms found in "autism"– correlates to an environmental factor that impairs the same biochemical or metabolic pathway impaired by the gene variation. But the symptoms occur in the absence of the genetic variation as in, say, mitochondrial dysfunction, or in impairments in the methionine synthase folate pathway (or in both, one affecting the other.)
So, it is revealing that this research described in the article shows that it is not gene deletion that necessarily causes symptoms or impairment, but genes being switched on or off. It is DNA methylation - described by epigenetics- that produces this type of phenomenon, and it can be cause exclusively by environmental factors during development. And the same effect can be caused by either genes or xenobiotics – acting on the identical pathway.
As is described in the article - you can "turn the gene back on" then genes are not destiny, and gene effects may be caused by something outside of genes. And, as the article describes genetic changes that are not inherited. What caused the changes.
It is also revealing that only one gene was completely missing in an autistic child. As also shown in the Cold Spring Harbor Copy Number variation study, the occurrence of actual gene "defect" being associated with autism is extremely rare. It is the exception and not the rule, and suggests that most cases of autism are not rooted in this kind of genetic flaw.
Even in this study the genes identified are associated with encoding cellular sodium channels. But these same channels have been shown to be impaired by toxins. Perhaps some individuals are more susceptible to toxic impairment, but that has little to do with genes causing disease - it is exposure to a toxin that does so in the susceptible individual.
A good example is the research showing that PTEN ( a gene) knockout (the gene is deleted) mice develop autistic symptoms. But PTEN regulates the pathway that utilzes an enzyme called P13 kinase it is the same pathway. And many toxins, including thimerosal, have been shown to impair this pathway at low levels. (Richard Deth showed this in his brilliant work.)
My overall point that even though couched in the "genes = destiny" and "genes cause disease" research funding ideology even this article reveals what is truly going on. Any honest researcher must acknowledge the role of environmental toxins.
If some of the richer better connected advocacy groups would own up to the truth about genetics and environmental factors perhaps then our children could get better help.
In the meantime we will have to suffer the "alibi research", and the "alibi reporting" that perpetuates the myth of genetic dominance - rather than gene-environment symbiosis and synergy - in our biology.





PS Hey CROM... your son is exactly like mine dude... Lets hope they figure out a way to help these poor kids.


P.S.S Im not posting this to argue with people... If you disagree.... just leave it at that.. this thread is just to help inform people of things not in the mainstream media... It's to be taken foe what its worth.

[Sprite]

GD, it amazes me how you try to make sense sometimes. :action-sm

[Glenn Dandy]

not great?http://www.cinematical.com/media/2006/06/mathesonanimalhouse.jpgtheir quotes.

that I understand... your comment is confusing.

[BullsLawDan]

the first article is basically the top scientists are bailing out of their statements that Thimerisol didnt cause Autism... I guess its time to cover their asses.

Yes, and it comes from a highly reputable source, too... :rolleyes:

P.S.S Im not posting this to argue with people... If you disagree.... just leave it at that.. this thread is just to help inform people of things not in the mainstream media... It's to be taken foe what its worth.

Which is basically zero.

[TreeFortRichard]

i have heard....basically...in laymans terms...that your body has a mechanism for removing heavy metals from your system...they are discovered in your body and your body removes them...In some of these modern autism cases it is the bodies impairment of this function that leaves heavy metals (mercury from preservatives) in your system too long and results in damage...So for the average kid, small amounts of mercury can be cleared biologically...but for that small amount with this gene impairment that ruins this heavy metals removing protein...they suffer heavy metals poisioning with small amounts of exposure...

i forget which science magazine i read it in...take it for what it's worth...

[Glenn Dandy]

i have heard....basically...in laymans terms...that your body has a mechanism for removing heavy metals from your system...they are discovered in your body and your body removes them...In some of these modern autism cases it is the bodies impairment of this function that leaves heavy metals (mercury from preservatives) in your system too long and results in damage...So for the average kid, small amounts of mercury can be cleared biologically...but for that small amount with this gene impairment that ruins this heavy metals removing protein...they suffer heavy metals poisioning with small amounts of exposure...

i forget which science magazine i read it in...take it for what it's worth...
Thats close to what I know of it...Ive read they are touching on the TESTOSTERONE in boys somehow protecting the mercury from being excreted.. Wich makes sense with boy being 9 times more likly to get Autism.

Many years ago i tested my son for lead/ mercury , etc..He had ZERO

So I said hmm, ok cant be that.

But, where i fundementaly screwed up was... If you test someone for say mercury... they will always show some... Its in what we eat, breath,, etc..The finding of ZERo actually is the red flag... Its buried in places and never being excreted for tests to see.

Its all very hypothetic at this stage... but ... I usually try to reason with the things that make sense... that makes sense to me... the pieces fit.

[Glenn Dandy]

Yes, and it comes from a highly reputable source, too... :rolleyes:



Which is basically zero.

Dude, you have just made the dumberest dude on the board in my book with the last two threads I read your crap.

You are so arrogantly stooopud... It's almost comical.

I even put a PS footnote in to ward of idiotic replies... but you just plugged on. Go be clueless somewhere else please.

[Jolie]

There were also studies done a couple years ago indicating that paternal age correlates with autism. The older the father, the more likely to have an autistic child.

There are too many theories, too many possibilities, to accurately point to A Cause at this point. But for me, logic says, since we haven't seen a decrease in autism cases since thimerisol was removed from vaccines, its probably not the causative factor.

[Three Hole Puncher]

There were also studies done a couple years ago indicating that paternal age correlates with autism. The older the father, the more likely to have an autistic child.

There are too many theories, too many possibilities, to accurately point to A Cause at this point. But for me, logic says, since we haven't seen a decrease in autism cases since thimerisol was removed from vaccines, its probably not the causative factor.

Uh boy... here it comes... in... 3,2,1...

[Nortonsmeatytit]

Thimersol has been widely discredited in causing autism, on the other hand, recent gene research has discovered alot....

http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Gene_Research_Heightens_Hope_For_Curing_Autis m_20270.html

[Voss's Tumor]

There were also studies done a couple years ago indicating that paternal age correlates with autism. The older the father, the more likely to have an autistic child.

There are too many theories, too many possibilities, to accurately point to A Cause at this point. But for me, logic says, since we haven't seen a decrease in autism cases since thimerisol was removed from vaccines, its probably not the causative factor.

Stopping production != stopping existing supply circulation.

[Jolie]

Stopping production != stopping existing supply circulation.

Thimerosal has not been used in any shot except the flu shot since 2001.

[Voss's Tumor]

Thimerosal has not been used in the production of any shot except the flu shot since 2001.

Fixed that for ya

[BullsLawDan]

There were also studies done a couple years ago indicating that paternal age correlates with autism. The older the father, the more likely to have an autistic child.

There are too many theories, too many possibilities, to accurately point to A Cause at this point. But for me, logic says, since we haven't seen a decrease in autism cases since thimerisol was removed from vaccines, its probably not the causative factor.

Bingo.

Stopping production != stopping existing supply circulation.

Vaccines have a very short shelf life. For example, the DPT vaccine, the most commonly administered vaccination to children (and the one most often blamed by thimerosal kooks as being responsible for autism) has a shelf life of no more than 18 months, and that is only if refrigerated for that entire time.

I don't know how to make it any more clear: It's not in them anymore. No kid has gotten thimerosal in at least 5 years, and the autism rates have not declined.

Dude, you have just made the dumberest dude on the board in my book with the last two threads I read your crap.

You are so arrogantly stooopud... It's almost comical.

I even put a PS footnote in to ward of idiotic replies... but you just plugged on. Go be clueless somewhere else please.

Uh huh. And what institution is your doctoral degree from again? :rolleyes:

[Voss's Tumor]

Uh huh. And what institution is your doctoral degree from again? :rolleyes:

His fucking child has autism.

What Wal-Mart do you greet for again you condescending fuck?

[Three Hole Puncher]

His fucking child has autism.

What Wal-Mart do you greet for again you condescending fuck?

Uh boy... here it comes... in... 3,2,1...

Bingo!

[Glenn Dandy]

The numbers have been dropping dummies. secondly... If an unwatched drug company would be so careless as to shoot babys will a toxic metal...in the first place... Whatdoyou think is in the rest of the shots secretly?

Im not arguing with these idiots that are making a living probably spreading their propaganda .

thanks for bringing the smell in my thread.... that was meant to help familys with Aitistic kids.

Until a doctor says he can help me son.... Why dont you keep YOUR worthless blame theorys to yourselves.. You are worthless in this thread. As are doctors opinions on Autism.

I am genetically perfect. as far back as many generations i can find... so was his mother..

When Autism was 1 in 10,000 it was a genetic problem.

now that its 1 in 90 its a cultural problem.

No go away.

Jolie, bulls den, and the rest of your buddies in these threads, that think you are so intelligent..and intellectual... heres a clue... your are stoopid inteligent... yes, theres a difference... learning in places someone teaches you only assures you will be as smart as the person teaching you is.


people like me learned by asking questions, questioning everything... people like me usualy don't make it through school... we are more than the system can handle..smarter in fact than those teaching us.

I know your reply,, smug,, laughing,, your worthless for anything more than a puppet.


you are nothing more to me than bothersome... I do not question my theorys.. because I know they are correct.


If, schools werent so fucked up... I would know science to and probably cure Autism... but... I am just one hell of a Plumber instead.


Ive dealt with doctors n the highest levels of Autism... my son spent 5 months in /kenedy Krieger at a cost of a half million dollars.... Do you want to know what they came up with?

EVERYTHING I HAD TOLD OUR FAMILY FOR THE LAST 5 YEARS. Things I already figured out.

They are some sharp people in there atleast smart enough to think like I do.

My sons shrink = worthless drug pusher
My sons General Practicioner = looks in his ears gets a paycheck.
Pediatrician = not only bought into big pharmacies bullshit and triple jabbed my son... but the idiot gave him an extra one because he keeps bad records.

WORTHLESS.....like you.


I will take over from here thank you for playing.... Fuck off.

[CougarHunter]

5 across the eyes is the cure for most problems with kids.

[unklewilly]

as a father of 2 children diagnosed with autism it simply amazes me that they still havent linked the mercury used in vaccines and autism. Was mercury always used in vaccines when we were little or is this something new? Where the hell is this coming from. Autism has such a wide spectrum that one kid have a mild form and another can be almost non communicative. Instead of making pills to make my dick hard why arent they doing more to combat the problem? These kids are going to grow up and have to take care of us eventually...they better do something about it quick.
All I know is I have an older son with my 1st ex...fine. He lives in a different county. My 2 youngest born with my 2nd ex were fine, progressing normally then one day its like a switch went off....they just werent the same kids anymore. I have no idea how it happened or why it happened. All I know is I want my kids back and I hope they both grow up to lead normal lives like everyone else. Well, except for the people on this board that is...

[Jolie]

The numbers have been dropping dummies. secondly... If an unwatched drug company would be so careless as to shoot babys will a toxic metal...in the first place... Whatdoyou think is in the rest of the shots secretly?

Im not arguing with these idiots that are making a living probably spreading their propaganda .

thanks for bringing the smell in my thread.... that was meant to help familys with Aitistic kids.

Until a doctor says he can help me son.... Why dont you keep YOUR worthless blame theorys to yourselves.. You are worthless in this thread. As are doctors opinions on Autism.

I am genetically perfect. as far back as many generations i can find... so was his mother..

When Autism was 1 in 10,000 it was a genetic problem.

now that its 1 in 90 its a cultural problem.

No go away.

Jolie, bulls den, and the rest of your buddies in these threads, that think you are so intelligent..and intellectual... heres a clue... your are stoopid inteligent... yes, theres a difference... learning in places someone teaches you only assures you will be as smart as the person teaching you is.


people like me learned by asking questions, questioning everything... people like me usualy don't make it through school... we are more than the system can handle..smarter in fact than those teaching us.

I know your reply,, smug,, laughing,, your worthless for anything more than a puppet.


you are nothing more to me than bothersome... I do not question my theorys.. because I know they are correct.


If, schools werent so fucked up... I would know science to and probably cure Autism... but... I am just one hell of a Plumber instead.


Ive dealt with doctors n the highest levels of Autism... my son spent 5 months in /kenedy Krieger at a cost of a half million dollars.... Do you want to know what they came up with?

EVERYTHING I HAD TOLD OUR FAMILY FOR THE LAST 5 YEARS. Things I already figured out.

They are some sharp people in there atleast smart enough to think like I do.

My sons shrink = worthless drug pusher
My sons General Practicioner = looks in his ears gets a paycheck.
Pediatrician = not only bought into big pharmacies bullshit and triple jabbed my son... but the idiot gave him an extra one because he keeps bad records.

WORTHLESS.....like you.


I will take over from here thank you for playing.... Fuck off.

Am I allowed to play the "but my nephew has sensory integration dysfunction which is often seen in children with autism or on the spectrum so therefore my knowledge is at least as good as yours" card now?

[Jolie]

as a father of 2 children diagnosed with autism it simply amazes me that they still havent linked the mercury used in vaccines and autism. Was mercury always used in vaccines when we were little or is this something new? Where the hell is this coming from.

Yes, it was used in shots when we were young. It has been widely used as a preservative since the 1930's.

Many people believe an increase in the number of vaccines given in childhood is leading to the increase. Many people also believe a large reason for the increase in diagnoses is a change in the DSM criteria for Autism, which leads to more behaviors being classified as autism or "on the spectrum". Some even believe the increase is due to the increasing availability of cheap and/or free early intervention programs for autism that these children would not qualify for without a diagnoses of autism.

[Sct Ptersns Twn]

Am I allowed to play the "but my nephew has sensory integration dysfunction......... [Than Voice] the rest of your quote is irrelevant. [/Than Voice]"

Everyone has that, you silly gash.


Bottom line is "The govt is in cahoots with the drug companies." It is as simple as that.

As years go by information will trickle out just like smoking did and one day someone will sue someone and it will be in court for fucking ever. GD will be gone, his son will be gone and his son's cunt of a mother will be gone and the govt will get the money. It is the circle of life.

[BullsLawDan]

The numbers have been dropping dummies.

The data I found from CDC, NIH, and elsewhere does not say that.

secondly... If an unwatched drug company would be so careless as to shoot babys will a toxic metal...in the first place... Whatdoyou think is in the rest of the shots secretly?

Now you're accusing drug companies of secretly poisoning children... to what end, I have no idea. But you have no evidence to make the accusation, at any rate.

thanks for bringing the smell in my thread.... that was meant to help familys with Aitistic kids.

Shoddy evidence placing the blame on vaccines that have saved billions of lives is not helping anyone.

Until a doctor says he can help me son.... Why dont you keep YOUR worthless blame theorys to yourselves.. You are worthless in this thread. As are doctors opinions on Autism.

When did I posit a blame theory? You're the only one blaming autism on anything - you're trying to blame it on vaccination.

I am genetically perfect. as far back as many generations i can find... so was his mother..

When Autism was 1 in 10,000 it was a genetic problem.

now that its 1 in 90 its a cultural problem.

I don't know where you got a statistic of 1 in 90, the CDC says about 1 in 150.

And no one is genetically "perfect"... Not that it makes a difference, since no one has isolated a gene that causes autism.

Jolie, bulls den, and the rest of your buddies in these threads, that think you are so intelligent..and intellectual... heres a clue... your are stoopid inteligent... yes, theres a difference... learning in places someone teaches you only assures you will be as smart as the person teaching you is.

Not true.

people like me learned by asking questions, questioning everything... people like me usualy don't make it through school... we are more than the system can handle..smarter in fact than those teaching us.

Yes, I know the type because I was one. My bad attitude cost my parents thousands of dollars in wasted education before I found a type of schooling that suited me and excelled.

It is just as silly to place no value on formal education as it is to place sole value on it.

I know your reply,, smug,, laughing,, your worthless for anything more than a puppet.

Probably I think the "President of Wackbag" shouldn't be member bashing, yes?

you are nothing more to me than bothersome... I do not question my theorys.. because I know they are correct.

But up there you said you "question everything", what happened to that? Or you don't question things that you want to believe are true?

If, schools werent so fucked up... I would know science to and probably cure Autism... but... I am just one hell of a Plumber instead.

Well, there are a lot of highly qualified and very smart people working on it and they haven't found anything like a cure yet. They also haven't found a cause yet, contrary to what the anti-vaccine conspiracy theory websites say.

Ive dealt with doctors n the highest levels of Autism... my son spent 5 months in /kenedy Krieger at a cost of a half million dollars.... Do you want to know what they came up with?

EVERYTHING I HAD TOLD OUR FAMILY FOR THE LAST 5 YEARS. Things I already figured out.

They are some sharp people in there atleast smart enough to think like I do.

My sons shrink = worthless drug pusher
My sons General Practicioner = looks in his ears gets a paycheck.
Pediatrician = not only bought into big pharmacies bullshit and triple jabbed my son... but the idiot gave him an extra one because he keeps bad records.

I would agree that the medical profession has problems. But they also, by and large, do the best they can. They're not gods.

I'll relate it to you. My dad is a mechanical contractor. Started as a plumber's apprentice and worked his way up through the ranks to where he makes a decent living at the HVAC business now.

When I worked for him, we had this problem on a job where an underground pipe was blocked and we couldn't figure out why. We screwed around with it for hours. Finally, it started flowing again. We didn't do anything to make it work... Did we move the block? Did it move itself? Who knows?

No human being has all their answers no matter what profession they're in.

WORTHLESS.....like you.

I'll let the member bashing slide because you're obviously emotionally invested in the topic.

as a father of 2 children diagnosed with autism it simply amazes me that they still havent linked the mercury used in vaccines and autism.

It hasn't been linked because there is no link.

Was mercury always used in vaccines when we were little or is this something new?

It has been used in vaccines since 1928 and was stopped in 2001. It is not new.

Where the hell is this coming from. Autism has such a wide spectrum that one kid have a mild form and another can be almost non communicative. Instead of making pills to make my dick hard why arent they doing more to combat the problem? These kids are going to grow up and have to take care of us eventually...they better do something about it quick.

No one knows. That's the problem. But the simple fact is that thimerosal has not been used in vaccines for 7 years, and kids are still getting diagnosed with autism. It's not the vaccines. It's something else.

[gleet]

I don't have a dog in this fight so I have no opinion to offer. But I saw this article today and toss it into the fray.

http://www.creators.com/opinion/thomas-sowell.html

Autism Cures?

"New Ways to Diagnose Autism Earlier" read a recent headline in the Wall Street Journal. There is no question that you can diagnose anything as early as you want. The real question is whether the diagnosis will turn out to be correct.

My own awareness of how easy it is to make false diagnoses of autism grew out of experiences with a group of parents of late-talking children that I formed back in 1993.

A number of those children were diagnosed as autistic. But the passing years have shown most of the diagnoses to have been false, as most of these children have not only begun talking but have developed socially.

Some parents have even said, "Now I wish he would shut up."

I did absolutely nothing to produce these results. As a layman, I refused to diagnose these children, much less suggest any treatment, even though many parents wanted such advice.

As word of my group spread, various parents would write to ask if they could bring their child to me to seek my impression or advice. I declined every time.

Yet, if I had concocted some half-baked method of diagnosing and treating these children, I could now claim a high rate of success in "curing" autism, based on case studies. Perhaps my success rate would be as high as that claimed by various programs being touted in the media.

If a child is not autistic to begin with, almost anything will "cure" him with the passage of time.

My work brought me into contact with Professor Stephen Camarata of Vanderbilt University, who has specialized in the study of late-talking children— and who is qualified to diagnose autism.

Professor Camarata has organized his own group of parents of late-talking children, which has grown to hundreds, as compared to the several dozen children in my group. Yet the kinds of children and the kinds of families are remarkably similar in the two groups, in ways spelled out in my book "The Einstein Syndrome."

The difference is that Professor Camarata is not a layman but a dedicated professional, with decades of experience— and he too has expressed dismay at the number of false diagnoses of autism that he has encountered.

What Camarata has also encountered is something that I encountered in my smaller group— parents who have been told to allow their child to be diagnosed as autistic, in order to become eligible for government money that is available, and can be used for speech therapy or whatever other treatment the child might need.

How much this may have contributed to the soaring statistics on the number of children diagnosed as autistic is something that nobody knows— and apparently not many people are talking about it.

Another factor in the great increase in the number of children diagnosed as autistic is a growing practice of referring to children as being on "the autistic spectrum."

In other words, a child may not actually be autistic but has a number of characteristics common among autistic children. The problem with this approach is that lots of children who are not autistic have characteristics that are common among autistic children.

For example, a study of high-IQ children by Professor Ellen Winner of Boston College found these children to have "obsessive interests" and "often play alone and enjoy solitude," as well as being children who "seem to march to their own drummer" and have "prodigious memories." Many of the children in my group and in Professor Camarata's group have these characteristics.

Those who diagnose children by running down a checklist of "symptoms" can find many apparently "autistic" children or children on "the autism spectrum."

Parents need to be spared the emotional trauma of false diagnoses and children need to be spared stressful treatments that follow false diagnoses. Yet the "autism spectrum" concept provides lots of wiggle room for those who are making false diagnoses.

Real autism may not get as much money as it needs if much of that money is dissipated on children who are not in fact autistic. But money is money to those who are running research projects— and a gullible media helps them get that money.

To find out more about Thomas Sowell and read features by other Creators Syndicate columnists and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate web page at HYPERLINK "http://www.creators.com" www.creators.com. Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305. His Web site is HYPERLINK "http://www.tsowell.com" www.tsowell.com.

COPYRIGHT 2008 CREATORS SYNDICATE, INC.

[Glenn Dandy]

Im having the thread closed.... I simply do not have time to correct everything you n jolie wrote thats completly wrong... and theres enough bad information out there.

Thanks for stepping into something you know shit about.....


just a few corrections...

has it always been in vaccines? even when we were young?

YES.. BUT, we got like 8 vaccines,,, babies today get over 30.

Jolie, i dont know what the hell that condition you said your relative has is,,, but unless hes non verbal and destroyes his body with self inflicted abuse...dont get in the ring with me.

they diagnose better?

Another stoopid bunch of shit... as stated my son and everyone with Autism... is so fucked up you couldnt miss it with helen keller in charge.

1 in 90 is east coast Cali and Jersey... they get the 150 by combining the middle of the country and averaging... its higher on the coasts..... Where the vaccines are made... hmmm... fresh mercury.


Im done... you type to much for stoopid people... thread rooned by know nothings. I cant help real people with you tards filing the thread with crap.


THIS THREAD WAS A TEST.....fail...i should of known...

[BullsLawDan]

Off the cuff, that makes a lot more sense to me than blaming vaccines we've been taking for more than 70 years.

It even jibes with Glenn's notion that doctors are money-grubbing idiots.

Very interesting. I'll do some more reading on that.

[Glenn Dandy]

bye bye... thanks again.... pm me if you want to learn anything ... but Im not letting you give out bad info on Autism here.


closer up.

I posted in the first thread warning of unsolicited advice... It was meant to be an acticles about thread.. not your opinion.

if you have articles pro or con,,, thats fine... but i didnt want a bunch of non qualified chatter.

[Begbie]

Im having the thread closed.... I simply do not have time to correct everything you n jolie wrote thats completly wrong... and theres enough bad information out there.

Thanks for stepping into something you know shit about.....


just a few corrections...

has it always been in vaccines? even when we were young?

YES.. BUT, we got like 8 vaccines,,, babies today get over 30.

Jolie, i dont know what the hell that condition you said your relative has is,,, but unless hes non verbal and destroyes his body with self inflicted abuse...dont get in the ring with me.

they diagnose better?

Another stoopid bunch of shit... as stated my son and everyone with Autism... is so fucked up you couldnt miss it with helen keller in charge.

1 in 90 is east coast Cali and Jersey... they get the 150 by combining the middle of the country and averaging... its higher on the coasts..... Where the vaccines are made... hmmm... fresh mercury.


Im done... you type to much for stoopid people... thread rooned by know nothings. I cant help real people with you tards filing the thread with crap.


THIS THREAD WAS A TEST.....fail...i should of known...

I wouldn't pay no mind Glenn. Some just want to be too cool for the room and challenge everything and anything.

Autism scares me to death with my 13 month old. My neighbor's kid has it and I understand that it is often extremely difficult. I always fear the worst with my son and I'm hopeful he turns out ok and not afflicted with autism. Best of luck to you bro and hopefully we get some more answers.

[Glenn Dandy]

13 months is his MMR shot... dont do it.

If in six months hes still ok... you survived the lottery.

Its not to cool for the room... Its people that try to tell an elevator mechanic . how to fix an elevator because they read the pamphlet.

no Flu shots... and put him on a B complex vitamin. (Check with the doc on the vitamin) Im not a doctor...but, I would..

[kidconnor]

Autism scares me to death with my 13 month old. My neighbor's kid has it and I understand that it is often extremely difficult. I always fear the worst with my son and I'm hopeful he turns out ok and not afflicted with autism. Best of luck to you bro and hopefully we get some more answers.


My daughter will be 3 months on fri. Scares the shit out of me too. SHould I get vaccines, not get them, just poke holes in her arms and legs nd hope for the best? I dunno, reading this shit makes me not want to take her to the doctor. I would love to ask my doctor questions about the vaccines he is giving her but don't know enough to challenge/accept the answers I recieve.


Best of luck to all.

[Glenn Dandy]

My daughter will be 3 months on fri. Scares the shit out of me too. SHould I get vaccines, not get them, just poke holes in her arms and legs nd hope for the best? I dunno, reading this shit makes me not want to take her to the doctor. I would love to ask my doctor questions about the vaccines he is giving her but don't know enough to challenge/accept the answers I recieve.


Best of luck to all.

I hate to say... don't worry... but girls are way lower statistically.

Always get ( if you must) the three shots seperate Measles, Mumps, Ruebella...There is a shortage at the moment... so they are stepping up trying to give the triple jab these days....
I hope taking the mercury out in 2001 is the whole answer for both your kids.

It's just not known yet.


In my opinion... the disease they are inoculating against arent as dangerous as the risk of Autism.

If I could go back in time and change one thing... I wouldnt want the lottery numbers... I would not give my son those shots.

[kidconnor]

thanks for the info GD and all the best for you and your son

[Begbie]

13 months is his MMR shot... dont do it.

If in six months hes still ok... you survived the lottery.

Its not to cool for the room... Its people that try to tell an elevator mechanic . how to fix an elevator because they read the pamphlet.

no Flu shots... and put him on a B complex vitamin. (Check with the doc on the vitamin) Im not a doctor...but, I would..

Thanks for the advice! Yeah, when he had to go in for immunizations...and there are alot these days...I just cringe at the thought of what could happen.

What kind of symptoms are experienced at the onset? Any behaviors I should watch out for? The one thing I've read is that the attention span of the child becomes nil.

[Glenn Dandy]

Thanks for the advice! Yeah, when he had to go in for immunizations...and there are alot these days...I just cringe at the thought of what could happen.

What kind of symptoms are experienced at the onset? Any behaviors I should watch out for? The one thing I've read is that the attention span of the child becomes nil.

they go from basic speech to none. might move fingers strangely..non responsive... and extreme sensitivity to light.


One of the biggest things i noticed in my son was in hindsight..before his 13 month shot... we would take his picture and he would have the biggest beatiful blue eyes.....after it his eyes would be slammed shut from the red eye reduction light.

light sensativity was the first sign ... I just missed it... well hell wasnt looking for it.


found this on www.buzzle.com
Common neurological symptoms that occur in children are: decreased eye contact, flat affect, repeating certain actions over and over again, not responding to their name, not looking at an object that is being pointed at by another, poor concentration or attention, sensitivity to sensory stimulation. Common language or speech symptoms of mercury poisoning: loss of speech, delayed speech decreased understanding and articulating words, remembering certain words. Also common are social problems such as withdrawal, being irritated, aggressive behavior, night terrors and other sleep problems, mood swings. In addition other symptoms include auto-immune disorders such as multiple sclerosis, juvenile diabetes, asthma, chromic ear infections, and decreased immunity.


sensitivity to sensory stimulation<<<< that would be the camera flash i spoke of.

[Begbie]

Thanks for the advice Glenn...and really, best of luck to you and your son. That's really a shame and it's one of my big fears as being a first time parent. I mean, for the first full year...I was worried about SIDS and now I've really turned my attention to autism.

The only other question I have is, did the symptoms begin immediately after the 13 month shot or was it gradual? And I heard you say the odds "should" drop after the 18th month if everything is ok, correct?

What I find peculiar is that I've got a more mild case of OCD. And some of these symptoms of autism kinda mimic OCD in a way. I know the two are nowhere near related, but I just thought it was strange.

[Glenn Dandy]

trying to think... my sons 13 been awhile... the third MMR shot might be at 18 months not 13.. i honestly forget. thinking 18 now.

you'll have to check... sorry its been a long time since that day. and my son had a very high fever after his shot... we gave him tylenol ( which i recently read makes it harder for the body to defend against mercury") and he was very different the next day and within two months completely gone.

thanks for the wishes guys... but my sons life is over.... I really hope your children get through ok.

Know what? Its the 18 month triple MMR I think really did in my son.

[Begbie]

I really feel for you man, and once again, thanks.

I have just read that it is indeed 18 months and that following month post shot is what parents need to watch out for...even leading up to age 2. I will certainly heed your warning.

[Glenn Dandy]

Best of luck.