The New Yorker To Publish Controversial July 21 BHO And Michelle Cover, BHO Furious!

[Stalker2]

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'Scare tactic' — Obama slams Muslim portrayal

By MIKE ALLEN (http://www.politico.com/reporters/MikeAllen.html) | 7/13/08 7:33 PM EST

Barack Obama's campaign is condemning as “tasteless and offensive” a New Yorker magazine cover that depicts Obama in a turban, fist-bumping his gun-slinging wife.

An American flag burns in their fireplace.

The New Yorker says it's satire. It certainly will be candy for cable news.

The Obama campaign quickly condemned the rendering. Spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement: “The New Yorker may think, as one of their staff explained to us, that their cover is a satirical lampoon of the caricature Sen. Obama's right-wing critics have tried to create. But most readers will see it as tasteless and offensive. And we agree."

McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds quickly e-mailed: “We completely agree with the Obama campaign, it’s tasteless and offensive.”
The issue, which goes on sale Monday, includes a long piece by Ryan Lizza about Obama’s start in Chicago politics.


At a press availability Sunday afternoon in San Diego, Obama was asked, according to a transcript by Maria Gavrilovic of CBS News: “The upcoming issue of The New Yorker, the July 21 issue, has a picture of you, depicting you and your wife on the cover.

“Have you seen it? If not, I can show it to you on my computer. It shows your wife Michelle with an Afro and an AK-47 and the two of you doing the fist bump with you in a sort of turban-type thing on top. I wondered if you’ve seen it or if you want to see it or if you have a response to it?”

Obama, shrugging incredulously, replied: “I have no response to that.”

The magazine explains at the start of its news release previewing the issue: “On the cover of the July 21, 2008, issue of The New Yorker, in ‘The Politics of Fear,’ artist Barry Blitt satirizes the use of scare tactics and misinformation in the presidential election to derail Barack Obama’s campaign.”

Howard Kurtz of The Washington Post said Sunday on his CNN media show “Reliable Sources” that the cover is arguably “incendiary.”

“I talked to the editor of The New Yorker, David Remnick, who tells me this is a satire, that they are making fun of all the rumors,” Kurtz added.

Clarence Page of the Chicago Tribune defended it as “quite within the normal realms of journalism,” adding that “it's just lampooning all the crazy ignorance out there.”

The panelists agreed it would succeed in its goal of getting attention.

LINK: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/11719.html

[moegolden]

i'll bet they're only furious that it made the cover; they probably wouldnt care if such a satire was inside the magazine. but the cover makes the imagery more prevalent and accessible to people that don't get satire, or don't want to.

[mendozathejew]

Ive to admit thats a bit over the top in my opinion. a lot actually.


in related news, Jeremiah Wrights good friend Qadhafi had some lovely things to say about Mr. Obama. somewhat similar to that cartoon actually, he describes Obama as this.

There are elections in America now. Along came a black citizen of Kenyan African origins, a Muslim, who had studied in an Islamic school in Indonesia. His name is Obama. All the people in the Arab and Islamic world and in Africa applauded this man. They welcomed him and prayed for him and for his success, and they may have even been involved in legitimate contribution campaigns to enable him to win the American presidency.

We still hope that this black man will take pride in his African and Islamic identity, and in his faith, and that [he will know] that he has rights in America, and that he will change America from evil to good, and that America will establish relations that will serve it well with other peoples, especially the Arabs.

The thing we fear most is that the black man suffers from an inferiority complex. This is dangerous. If our brother Obama feels that because he is black he doesn't have the right to rule America, this would be a disaster, because such a feeling would make him behave whiter than the white, and go to an extreme in his persecution and degradation of the blacks.


http://www.memritv.org/clip_transcript/en/1791.htm
theres the whole transcript, and the video is there as well. He also blames the jews for killing Kennedy and says thats the only reason why Obama isnt pro Arab (to protect his himself). funny stuff. And this, by the way, is why the Arab world hates us. They make shit up like this on a daily basis, and just pound it into peoples heads.

[WOWmagnet]

She looks even uglier in cartoon from. And he looks...more...Muslim.

[Sprite]

Obama, shrugging incredulously, replied: “I have no response to that.”


Way to have an opinion...nice job. :icon_roll

[d0uche_n0zzle]

Clearly, Obama's dark Overlords from the Fourth Dimension do not approve of this subterfuge.

[weakside]

Way to have an opinion...nice job. :icon_roll

Are you kidding?! This was the perfect response to it. Instead of getting offended he simply brushes it off. Haven't we all had enough of people getting offended by humor and/or satire? I say good for him.

[Glenn Dandy]

I must be the ignorent fools they speak of.... cartoon makes perfect sense to me.

#1 he is a muslim
#2 his wife is a nutty upity
#3 he disrespects the American flag
#4 he has blue fucking lips, Should the president of the United States have blue lips? I think not. This picture should be hanging over the Obama fireplace in my opinion its pretty hitting the nail on the head.

In a time when Americas biggest problem is "The morality of the family unit, undermining the American way of life" This boob is a nail in the coffin for America as I knew it... If he wins I honestly believe America will gravitate more towards third world status.


No offense... But White men built America...

Go find me a flourishing continent with a Black leader. When the Black at the Department of motor vehicles can drop the additude and the ones at McDonald can get a happy meal order correct " JUST ONCE" Mayby one should run to president.

TOTALLY NOT READY AS A PEOPLE. I'm sorry.


Tjhis white guilt bullshit has gone so far as to trump common sense..

[Begbie]

I do see this purely as a satire for all of what has been said about Obama (muslim, America hater, etc). It's an attention getter and it's over the top. It would get some press if it was just inside the book, but it's on the cover and obviously, there's an uproar. Even if it's meant as a sarcastic goof...I don't think it's totally necessary.

[ThatsNotFunny]

The libs at the New Yorker are probably just pissed that Hillary didn't make the cut. I think the picture is adorable! Bean pie, my brotha?

[Sprite]

Are you kidding?! This was the perfect response to it. Instead of getting offended he simply brushes it off. Haven't we all had enough of people getting offended by humor and/or satire? I say good for him.

He was asked if he saw it and for a response, not if he was offended by it. It's not going out on a limb to simply say yes or no and possibly express his dislike for it but remind everyone that it's great we live in a country where we are free to express ourselves, even in bad taste.

Guess that's asking too much FROM A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE. :icon_roll

[BullsLawDan]

I must be the ignorent fools they speak of.... cartoon makes perfect sense to me.

Well, now that you mention it... your post does read like an ignorant fool, yes.

#1 he is a muslim

He isn't, and the fact that anyone is still clueless enough to think this is a sad commentary on our political system.

#2 his wife is a nutty upity

Huh? Still waiting for that "whitey" speech, are ya? :rolleyes:

#3 he disrespects the American flag

Umm what? How so? You mean like signing our country up to fight a horrible, pointless unwinnable war? Oh, wait... That wasn't him.

#4 he has blue fucking lips, Should the president of the United States have blue lips? I think not.

There you have it folks. Most important quality guiding people in their vote to decide the leader of the free world - what color lips he has.

This is why I am opposed to "get out the vote" drives. We need less people voting, not more, because clearly the people voting would do no worse to randomly pull levers.

In a time when Americas biggest problem is "The morality of the family unit, undermining the American way of life"

That's America's biggest problem????????? Not a pointless, unwinnable, quagmire of a war? Not a faltering, horrible economy? Not a $5 gallon of gas? Not the blatant Constitutional violations of our current government? Not Islamic terrorism? :icon_roll

No offense... But White men built America...

And? What's your point? I'll just ignore the rest of your racist drivel... moving along...

[ThatsNotFunny]

And? What's your point? I'll just ignore the rest of your racist drivel... moving along...



Ohhhhh, hey Glen! You gonna take that??? :action-sm

[THE FEZ MAN]

huh, isn't that how most of america see's him and his old lady?

[Glenn Dandy]

Ohhhhh, hey Glen! You gonna take that??? :action-sm

thats dudes so out of his mind... yes ...

I don't have the time or energy to explain so much bad thinking.

Im just a stooopid racist.... ya ok.

Im honestly sick and Fucking tired of being called ignorent from a bunch of frigging idiots. Racism... A hole... Is dragging a little girl behind your truck... Just because shes black.


REALITY is ...MY DRIVE THROUGH ORDER IS NEVER FUCKING RIGHT. UNLESS A WHITE KID DOES IT.

REALITY IS.. My gf has had a new black boss for a week... SHE started looking for a new job today after 4 years happily there.

REALITY IS...BLACK citys are fucking destroyed murder capitals.

Black countrys are shitholes

REALITY IS . if you get a black lady on customer service you would better spend your time jabbing forks in your eyes.

REALITY IS.....RIMS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN KIDS

REALITY IS.. THIS DOUCHES FRIENDS ARE RACISTS! NOT ME.

So go fuck yourself.

[Glenn Dandy]

ya know what? now im pissed..

Well, now that you mention it... your post does read like an ignorant fool, yes.

Only to someone not living in reality.



He isn't, and the fact that anyone is still clueless enough to think this is a sad commentary on our political system.

His friends are Muslims... He was schooled in a muslim country, he doesnt put his hand over his heart for the pledge of legion? I guess hes a catholic then.



Huh? Still waiting for that "whitey" speech, are ya? :rolleyes:
No need,, Ive seen her kind many times.



Umm what? How so? You mean like signing our country up to fight a horrible, pointless unwinnable war? Oh, wait... That wasn't him.

Unwinable? We are fucking killing the shit out of those pricks EASILY.

Pointless? Tell that to the child whos mom wont get her fucking head cut off now.



There you have it folks. Most important quality guiding people in their vote to decide the leader of the free world - what color lips he has.
If it walks like chicken & talks like a chicken... It's a fucking chicken.

This is why I am opposed to "get out the vote" drives. We need less people voting, not more, because clearly the people voting would do no worse to randomly pull levers.

No, we need un bought media not afraid of upsetting OBAMA and AL..so people can know the truth... only then mayby they wont be gulled into voting like a guilty white douche.


That's America's biggest problem????????? Not a pointless, unwinnable, quagmire of a war? Not a faltering, horrible economy? Not a $5 gallon of gas? Not the blatant Constitutional violations of our current government? Not Islamic terrorism? :icon_roll

Its a machine...You cant fix the machine with broken parts...THE MEDIA is cockblocking reality... people are stoooopid.. because they only watch the news... they only learn what their told to learn.

The machine already has to many broken parts..... Go vote for a giant busted cog....named Obama..



And? What's your point? I'll just ignore the rest of your racist drivel... moving along...

Of course you will.... reality scares you.

[Vyce]

How dare that right-wing rag, The New Yorker, publish such a racist image.

I AM OUTRAGED

[Turfmower]

Who cares it is satire. Did they get their panties in a bunch when they depicted Bush as Nero?

http://amrep.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/bush_nero_web.jpg

[ih8Uboo-boo]

How dare that right-wing rag, The New Yorker, publish such a racist image.

I AM OUTRAGED

Funny thing is that the average american is not smart enough to get the satire of things that were brought up during DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY...;)

[Voss's Tumor]

Who cares it is satire. Did they get their panties in a bunch when they depicted Bush as Nero?

http://amrep.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/bush_nero_web.jpg

For the record, I find both of the pics in this thread fucking high-larious. I've been thinking Bush was very similar to the stories of Nero, but I always kind of kept to myself because my friends would only listen to something that intelligent during pot talk. They just wanna bang their fucking Obama drums.

I can see BullsLawDan and I will be hating each other in the very, very near future.

[Voss's Tumor]

His friends are Muslims... He was schooled in a muslim country, he doesnt put his hand over his heart for the pledge of legion? I guess hes a catholic then.

I know you were feverishly typing in a blind rage of intelligent hatred, but you putting legion instead of allegiance after the whole Roman/Nero thing really made me laugh.

Sorry, nerd humor.

Obama's a dumb corrupt cunt.

[Hudson]

I liked the Osama Bin pic over the mantle..nice touch.
and is BHO really furious? Doesn't seem so..McCaine seemed more pissed.

[Voss's Tumor]

i liked the osama pic over the mantle..nice touch.

:haha7::haha7::haha7: I hadn't noticed that.

Seriously, if you base that picture solely on it's artistic and creative merits it's fucking brilliant.

[Hudson]

ya know what? now im pissed..



His friends are Muslims... He was schooled in a muslim country, he doesnt put his hand over his heart for the pledge of legion? I guess hes a catholic then.




I haate Obama..but it wasn't the Pledge of Allegiance that he didn't put his hand over his chest..it was the National Anthem. Only Armed servicemen are required to put their hands over their chest for the Anthem. (at least according to my dad, a Veteran.)
ANNNNNND when I was in catholic school, we put our hands over our heart for the Pledge.. Just saying.

[kidconnor]

I liked the Osama Bin pic over the mantle..nice touch..


I missed the American Flag burning in the fireplace.

[Voss's Tumor]

I haate Obama..but it wasn't the Pledge of Allegiance that he didn't put his hand over his chest..it was the National Anthem. Only Armed servicemen are required to put their hands over their chest for the Anthem. (at least according to my dad, a Veteran.)
ANNNNNND when I was in catholic school, we put our hands over our heart for the Pledge.. Just saying.

You're actually required to salute in the direction of the nearest, or main flag of your base during either the Anthem or the Pledge, but out of uniform hand over your heart (with civilian hat off) is acceptable as a salute for these occasions. Same rules apply to a 21 gun salute.

Edit: Stop slam again!

WDT rules.

[Vyce]

Funny thing is that the average american is not smart enough to get the satire of things that were brought up during DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY...;)

As I pointed out weeks ago, when Obama not too long ago claimed that Republicans were going to run a racist campaign against him, the vast majority of the race-themed attacks on him have come directly from members of his own party (or political ideology).

[Hudson]

You're actually required to salute in the direction of the nearest, or main flag of your base during either the Anthem or the Pledge, but out of uniform hand over your heart (with civilian hat off) is acceptable as a salute for these occasions. Same rules apply to a 21 gun salute.

Edit: Stop slam again!

WDT rules.I think that what he said..I asked him when I was 12.

[BullsLawDan]

Im honestly sick and Fucking tired of being called ignorent from a bunch of frigging idiots. Racism... A hole... Is dragging a little girl behind your truck... Just because shes black.

Is it?

My dictionary says this:
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

Who wrote yours, James Earl Ray?

Racism doesn't have to be as overt as you say. Racism is beliefs, not just actions.

Is everyone a bit prejudice? Yes, I think so. It's a human trait. But VOTING based on racial prejudice is stupid.


REALITY is ...MY DRIVE THROUGH ORDER IS NEVER FUCKING RIGHT. UNLESS A WHITE KID DOES IT.

...
REALITY IS.. THIS DOUCHES FRIENDS ARE RACISTS! NOT ME.

So go fuck yourself.

Reality is, none of those things have anything to do with Obama's views or what kind of President he would make. Those are the kinds of things an intelligent, thinking person bases their voting on. Not what the skin color is of the moron who screws up your double cheeseburger.


His friends are Muslims... He was schooled in a muslim country,

My pastor is from Sri Lanka, his race (Tamil) are predominantly Hindu. He has many Hindu friends. Does that mean he's not a Christian pastor?

One of my best friends growing up is now a Christian missionary in Indonesia, a Muslim country, where he lives with his wife and kids. Does that mean his kids are Muslim? :icon_roll

And even if so, who cares? Once again, people who would vote for someone based on their religion are stupid.

he doesnt put his hand over his heart for the pledge of legion?

First, it's the Pledge of Allegiance.

Second, he does put his hand over his heart for it.

Third, you're saying that because of a thoroughly debunked (MONTHS ago, I might add) internet chain email... Yet another great thing to base voting decisions on.

Fourth, your beloved Pledge was written by a Socialist who wanted to emphasize obedience to government. Not exactly the ideals of the nation.

No need,, Ive seen her kind many times.

:rolleyes: Way to argue with reason and logic. Moving on...

Unwinable? We are fucking killing the shit out of those pricks EASILY.

Yes. As stated by Gunnery Sergeant Hartman (Full Metal Jacket) many times, the US military is an amazing fucking killing machine.

Now... Maybe you could post for me exactly what the purpose of that killing is, and how we know we have "won"? What is "winning" in Iraq? "Killing the shit" out of Iraqis? Isn't that what the last guy did that made us want to get rid of him? How are we any better then?

Pointless? Tell that to the child whos mom wont get her fucking head cut off now.

You mean the child in North Korea? Or Burma (Myanmar)? Or Rwanda? Or any of the other dozen places much worse than Iraq where we are doing fuck-all to help the people?

And if that was the point of the war from the start, I might have a little more appreciation for what you are saying. However, since I was lied to then and pretty much continuously for the last 6 years, excuse me if I am not completely credulous to the explanation that we are there for humanitarian reasons.

If it walks like chicken & talks like a chicken... It's a fucking chicken.

Exactly. What about if it walks and talks like an ignoramus who bases their views on 30 second Faux News soundbites and roundly ridiculed urban myths? What then?

No, we need un bought media not afraid of upsetting OBAMA and AL..so people can know the truth... only then mayby they wont be gulled into voting like a guilty white douche.

Un-bought media?? LOL... Maybe you should go check the campaign donations of the CEOs and media corporations - overwhelmingly Republican donors - and get back to me about how "bought" they are...

And apparently the "un-bought" media hasn't worked too well for you, considering you're still uninformed enough to think that Obama is a non-pledge saying, McDonalds-working Muslim married to Shirley Wilson from What's Happening...

Its a machine...You cant fix the machine with broken parts...THE MEDIA is cockblocking reality... people are stoooopid.. because they only watch the news... they only learn what their told to learn.

You forgot to add the "MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN" :rolleyes:

The machine already has to many broken parts..... Go vote for a giant busted cog....named Obama..

I already said I'm not voting for the guy. Pardon me for wanting an election to be based on actual facts, and not internet stupidity.

Of course you will.... reality scares you.

Yes, reality scares me. That's why I continue to believe completely untrue nonsense in the face of ridiculously overwhelming facts to the contrary. Oh wait, that's not me, that's you... :rolleyes:

[Stalker2]

Is it?

My dictionary says this:
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

Who wrote yours, James Earl Ray?

Racism doesn't have to be as overt as you say. Racism is beliefs, not just actions.

Is everyone a bit prejudice? Yes, I think so. It's a human trait. But VOTING based on racial prejudice is stupid.



Reality is, none of those things have anything to do with Obama's views or what kind of President he would make. Those are the kinds of things an intelligent, thinking person bases their voting on. Not what the skin color is of the moron who screws up your double cheeseburger.




My pastor is from Sri Lanka, his race (Tamil) are predominantly Hindu. He has many Hindu friends. Does that mean he's not a Christian pastor?

One of my best friends growing up is now a Christian missionary in Indonesia, a Muslim country, where he lives with his wife and kids. Does that mean his kids are Muslim? :icon_roll

And even if so, who cares? Once again, people who would vote for someone based on their religion are stupid.



First, it's the Pledge of Allegiance.

Second, he does put his hand over his heart for it.

Third, you're saying that because of a thoroughly debunked (MONTHS ago, I might add) internet chain email... Yet another great thing to base voting decisions on.

Fourth, your beloved Pledge was written by a Socialist who wanted to emphasize obedience to government. Not exactly the ideals of the nation.



:rolleyes: Way to argue with reason and logic. Moving on...



Yes. As stated by Gunnery Sergeant Hartman (Full Metal Jacket) many times, the US military is an amazing fucking killing machine.

Now... Maybe you could post for me exactly what the purpose of that killing is, and how we know we have "won"? What is "winning" in Iraq? "Killing the shit" out of Iraqis? Isn't that what the last guy did that made us want to get rid of him? How are we any better then?



You mean the child in North Korea? Or Burma (Myanmar)? Or Rwanda? Or any of the other dozen places much worse than Iraq where we are doing fuck-all to help the people?

And if that was the point of the war from the start, I might have a little more appreciation for what you are saying. However, since I was lied to then and pretty much continuously for the last 6 years, excuse me if I am not completely credulous to the explanation that we are there for humanitarian reasons.



Exactly. What about if it walks and talks like an ignoramus who bases their views on 30 second Faux News soundbites and roundly ridiculed urban myths? What then?



Un-bought media?? LOL... Maybe you should go check the campaign donations of the CEOs and media corporations - overwhelmingly Republican donors - and get back to me about how "bought" they are...

And apparently the "un-bought" media hasn't worked too well for you, considering you're still uninformed enough to think that Obama is a non-pledge saying, McDonalds-working Muslim married to Shirley Wilson from What's Happening...



You forgot to add the "MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN" :rolleyes:



I already said I'm not voting for the guy. Pardon me for wanting an election to be based on actual facts, and not internet stupidity.



Yes, reality scares me. That's why I continue to believe completely untrue nonsense in the face of ridiculously overwhelming facts to the contrary. Oh wait, that's not me, that's you... :rolleyes:

FU White Guiltest.

Obey Obama, Obey Your Guilt.

Piece of shit.

[Plunkies]

Now... Maybe you could post for me exactly what the purpose of that killing is, and how we know we have "won"? What is "winning" in Iraq? "Killing the shit" out of Iraqis?

We won the "war" a long time ago. The only "war" left is rebuilding that piece of shit country so we'll have something resembling stability in an unstable area.

Isn't that what the last guy did that made us want to get rid of him? How are we any better then?Yeah, now WE'RE the terrorists...You've actually engaged in an argument against someone making relatively incoherent and blatantly racists posts and still manage to look even sillier than him. Well done.

[Voss's Tumor]

I just like how he pulled up all the 3rd world shit holes as places that are of greater interest because of the genocide and bullshit, while all of these countries are run by the same savage fuckers that Obama comes from, and it's precisely why they don't have technology or good government, yet he wants to elect Obama!

Iran's working on nukes. Darfur can't figure out how to use condoms. One can kill us, one's just stupidity killing themselves.

Fucking moron.

Edit: He reminds me of this really hot blonde chick I was fucking for awhile. All day long she posted Myspace messages about Rwanda, Darfur, all that shit... What a bad ass in the sack though. I wonder if BullsLawDan is, in fact, a hot blonde nympho posting in desguise as a retarded male, or if he just drinks the kool-aide of the hot blonde he's getting to fuck right now?

Or maybe he's just dumb.

[Edible Napalm]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SQ3icIZJAFQ

[Fr. Dougal]

That's America's biggest problem????????? Not a pointless, unwinnable, quagmire of a war? Not a faltering, horrible economy? Not a $5 gallon of gas? Not the blatant Constitutional violations of our current government? Not Islamic terrorism? :icon_roll

And? What's your point? I'll just ignore the rest of your racist drivel... moving along...

Unwinnable war? How so? The surge is working, and if Democrats would shut their pussy mouths, we'd have more troops there and would have won this thing already.

Faltering, horrible economy? I dunno about you guys but I'm making more now than I ever did before. And the reason why the economy sucks is because the dollar has fallen (the war that we're being handcuffed by the Dems in is causing that problem) and the housing problem. Which was caused by Dems encouraging lenders to give their poor constituents loans to buy a house. Can't pay the loan, lose the house, homes around it fall in value, etc etc.

$5 gallon of gas? Take a trip to Europe. Tell me how much gas is there, oh ignorant one. The U.S. has been spoiled for years. But if you want the price back down, open ANWR and do some more drilling. Gee, who's stopping that from happening? Also, we need to get off oil. Let's go to nuclear. Oh wait, one political party is stopping that, too. Fine, let's go to wind power. No, wait! Environmentalists say it'll kill migrating birds! Hmm... I don't see the word Republicans or Bush in any of those.

Constitutional violations? Which ones? Warantless wiretapping? Think rationally if that's possible for you. Unless you're an al-Qaeda member, the US government is NOT listening to your phone calls. No matter what you think.

But back to the gist of your post... you don't really get GD do you? I don't wanna be "ruin the bit guy"... but you might want to get yourself a dictionary... thumb to the S section... and look up "sarcasm." While you're in that section, take a gander at "shithead" as well.

[FMDoug]

Faltering, horrible economy? I dunno about you guys but I'm making more now than I ever did before. And the reason why the economy sucks is because the dollar has fallen (the war that we're being handcuffed by the Dems in is causing that problem) and the housing problem. Which was caused by Dems encouraging lenders to give their poor constituents loans to buy a house. Can't pay the loan, lose the house, homes around it fall in value, etc etc.

There are so many falsities here. Just because you don't feel the sluggish economy doesn't mean there isn't a sluggish economy. You might be the exception to the rule. There is certainly downturn in our economy. Look at Freddymac, franniemac, and indymac. Look at bear sterns. Look at our dollar. Look at consumer confidence. There are so many indicators. And it isn't the democrats fault. Ironically, it is the free market. Dems didn't push lenders to make loans. Company's thought they could make loads of money taking on unregulated junk loans. They saw an opening to make money, took it, and then got crushed. If anything the dems want to give the poor tax breaks and assistance in paying their loans, not give them ones they can't afford.

Unwinnable war? How so? The surge is working, and if Democrats would shut their pussy mouths, we'd have more troops there and would have won this thing already.

Wasn't it bush who didn't listen to the generals and sent too few troops into iraq? That is what all the dismissed generals said. The surge was after the fact. And who is to say it would have worked after so many years or not. Alot of people were against it (including republicans). People are saying it's working a year later - but who knows? We could possibly stabilize the country for a while, leave, and then have it delve back into anarchy. You can't predict the future.

$5 gallon of gas? Take a trip to Europe. Tell me how much gas is there, oh ignorant one.

The price is high there, but they drive less. There is more public transportation and other options. Gas affects their pockets less.

[Glenn Dandy]

Unwinnable war? How so? The surge is working, and if Democrats would shut their pussy mouths, we'd have more troops there and would have won this thing already.

Faltering, horrible economy? I dunno about you guys but I'm making more now than I ever did before. And the reason why the economy sucks is because the dollar has fallen (the war that we're being handcuffed by the Dems in is causing that problem) and the housing problem. Which was caused by Dems encouraging lenders to give their poor constituents loans to buy a house. Can't pay the loan, lose the house, homes around it fall in value, etc etc.

$5 gallon of gas? Take a trip to Europe. Tell me how much gas is there, oh ignorant one. The U.S. has been spoiled for years. But if you want the price back down, open ANWR and do some more drilling. Gee, who's stopping that from happening? Also, we need to get off oil. Let's go to nuclear. Oh wait, one political party is stopping that, too. Fine, let's go to wind power. No, wait! Environmentalists say it'll kill migrating birds! Hmm... I don't see the word Republicans or Bush in any of those.

Constitutional violations? Which ones? Warantless wiretapping? Think rationally if that's possible for you. Unless you're an al-Qaeda member, the US government is NOT listening to your phone calls. No matter what you think.

But back to the gist of your post... you don't really get GD do you? I don't wanna be "ruin the bit guy"... but you might want to get yourself a dictionary... thumb to the S section... and look up "sarcasm." While you're in that section, take a gander at "shithead" as well.

DID YOU JUST CALL ME A SHITHEAD, NUMBNUTS?!
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[thetick130]

There are so many falsities here. Just because you don't feel the sluggish economy doesn't mean there isn't a sluggish economy. You might be the exception to the rule. There is certainly downturn in our economy. Look at Freddymac, franniemac, and indymac. Look at bear sterns. Look at our dollar. Look at consumer confidence. There are so many indicators. And it isn't the democrats fault. Ironically, it is the free market. Dems didn't push lenders to make loans. Company's thought they could make loads of money taking on unregulated junk loans. They saw an opening to make money, took it, and then got crushed. If anything the dems want to give the poor tax breaks and assistance in paying their loans, not give them ones they can't afford.

I don't claim to know too much about macroeconomics, but consumer confidence is a main factor to our "sluggish" economy. In fact it is one of the dominant factors to determining any condition of our economy. I cannot see the constant, nonstop doom and gloom news helping right this ship. While it may not be the only factor, this type of news coverage does not help consumer confidence.
I can only see all of these speculative, apocalyptic style news stories being a drain on our moral as consumers. With us fearing a new Depression because of these “upcoming economic disaster” stories, it’s obvious that we aren’t buying as much.
So while it may not be an entirely fictional economic slowdown, it is certainly being inflated more then it should be.


The price is high there, but they drive less. There is more public transportation and other options. Gas affects their pockets less.

Their driving habits and increased public transportation usage are caused by Europe's relative lack of petroleum resources. They have adapted to what their economy and industry can support, and that means using less fuel at a higher price. If Europe had more access to their own petroleum, I bet their driving habits and cars would be just as flourishing as our own.

One could say that we have had it good for a while but we now need to change our ways and conform to Europe’s transportation model, But why should we? We have the amount of supply on OUR soil to continue our current usage without batting an eye for about 50 years. With this supply alone being utilized at full capacity, we could drop gas prices possibly to the sub $2 mark within a few years, and keep it there till we can develop better alternatives.

Also, we Americans take pride in the amount of freedom we have in our personal transportation, we always have. We can get up and go anywhere we want at anytime we want without having to look at a bus or train schedule; without conforming to the masses. It may not seem like much, but I assure you that mindset goes a long way in people’s minds. It’s a simple symbol of our overall freedom, and Americans would have a very hard time letting that go for crowded Orwellian public transportation. The longer we can set ourselves apart from Europe the better IMO.

[Sprite]

:popcorn:

[Turfmower]

Everyone says but Europe has $9.00 a gallon gas but 70% of that is taxes to pay for their socialist programs.

[Vyce]

I just like how he pulled up all the 3rd world shit holes as places that are of greater interest because of the genocide and bullshit, while all of these countries are run by the same savage fuckers that Obama comes from, and it's precisely why they don't have technology or good government, yet he wants to elect Obama!

Iran's working on nukes. Darfur can't figure out how to use condoms. One can kill us, one's just stupidity killing themselves.

Fucking moron.

Edit: He reminds me of this really hot blonde chick I was fucking for awhile. All day long she posted Myspace messages about Rwanda, Darfur, all that shit... What a bad ass in the sack though. I wonder if BullsLawDan is, in fact, a hot blonde nympho posting in desguise as a retarded male, or if he just drinks the kool-aide of the hot blonde he's getting to fuck right now?

Or maybe he's just dumb.

I think it's more due to the fact that, like so many people of a liberal ideological persuasion, he's ruled far more by emotion than actual logic, common sense, or in some cases, rational grasp of reality.

Or maybe he is just dumb.

[MrBogey]

You know... if enough Hollywood actors pooled their money, they could easily pay BlackWater to go into Darfur and end the genocide. Who needs the US military when you have PMCs?

[WoodenPlank]

You know... if enough Hollywood actors pooled their money, they could easily pay BlackWater to go into Darfur and end the genocide. Who needs the US military when you have PMCs?

I dont think thats quite the solution the Hollywood types would want.....
but it would definitely end the genocide.

[WOWmagnet]

I dont think thats quite the solution the Hollywood types would want.....
but it would definitely end the genocide.

No, they want Regular Joe, Joe Sixpack, and Joey Bag-o-Doughnuts. with their $40,000 a year :haha7: salary, supporting 3 kids :icon_roll to take care of it.

[Fr. Dougal]

DID YOU JUST CALL ME A SHITHEAD, NUMBNUTS?!
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No, Mr. President!

I was calling him one for not getting your humor!

[Vyce]

Wow, Obama really fucking handled this one badly.

[Capt.Caveman]

Is it?

My dictionary says this:
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

Who wrote yours, James Earl Ray?

Racism doesn't have to be as overt as you say. Racism is beliefs, not just actions.

Is everyone a bit prejudice? Yes, I think so. It's a human trait. But VOTING based on racial prejudice is stupid.



Reality is, none of those things have anything to do with Obama's views or what kind of President he would make. Those are the kinds of things an intelligent, thinking person bases their voting on. Not what the skin color is of the moron who screws up your double cheeseburger.




My pastor is from Sri Lanka, his race (Tamil) are predominantly Hindu. He has many Hindu friends. Does that mean he's not a Christian pastor?

One of my best friends growing up is now a Christian missionary in Indonesia, a Muslim country, where he lives with his wife and kids. Does that mean his kids are Muslim? :icon_roll

And even if so, who cares? Once again, people who would vote for someone based on their religion are stupid.



First, it's the Pledge of Allegiance.

Second, he does put his hand over his heart for it.

Third, you're saying that because of a thoroughly debunked (MONTHS ago, I might add) internet chain email... Yet another great thing to base voting decisions on.

Fourth, your beloved Pledge was written by a Socialist who wanted to emphasize obedience to government. Not exactly the ideals of the nation.



:rolleyes: Way to argue with reason and logic. Moving on...



Yes. As stated by Gunnery Sergeant Hartman (Full Metal Jacket) many times, the US military is an amazing fucking killing machine.

Now... Maybe you could post for me exactly what the purpose of that killing is, and how we know we have "won"? What is "winning" in Iraq? "Killing the shit" out of Iraqis? Isn't that what the last guy did that made us want to get rid of him? How are we any better then?



You mean the child in North Korea? Or Burma (Myanmar)? Or Rwanda? Or any of the other dozen places much worse than Iraq where we are doing fuck-all to help the people?

And if that was the point of the war from the start, I might have a little more appreciation for what you are saying. However, since I was lied to then and pretty much continuously for the last 6 years, excuse me if I am not completely credulous to the explanation that we are there for humanitarian reasons.



Exactly. What about if it walks and talks like an ignoramus who bases their views on 30 second Faux News soundbites and roundly ridiculed urban myths? What then?



Un-bought media?? LOL... Maybe you should go check the campaign donations of the CEOs and media corporations - overwhelmingly Republican donors - and get back to me about how "bought" they are...

And apparently the "un-bought" media hasn't worked too well for you, considering you're still uninformed enough to think that Obama is a non-pledge saying, McDonalds-working Muslim married to Shirley Wilson from What's Happening...



You forgot to add the "MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN" :rolleyes:



I already said I'm not voting for the guy. Pardon me for wanting an election to be based on actual facts, and not internet stupidity.



Yes, reality scares me. That's why I continue to believe completely untrue nonsense in the face of ridiculously overwhelming facts to the contrary. Oh wait, that's not me, that's you... :rolleyes:




ecchhh kill yourself

[BullsLawDan]

FU White Guiltest.

Obey Obama, Obey Your Guilt.

Piece of shit.

Member bashing. Good argument. :rolleyes:

We won the "war" a long time ago. The only "war" left is rebuilding that piece of shit country so we'll have something resembling stability in an unstable area.

And how's that going?

Since you're so insistent that we're "winning", maybe you can define for me, in no uncertain terms, when we have "won" and can leave Iraq? If you can do that, you should be President, because he hasn't been able to do that. No one ever has.

It's the Vietnam scenario... "Winning" as a movable, nebulous target that war supporters say we need to get to, but can never really tell us where it is.

Yeah, now WE'RE the terrorists...You've actually engaged in an argument against someone making relatively incoherent and blatantly racists posts and still manage to look even sillier than him. Well done.

No, we're the occupiers. I suppose, then, that you'd be OK with, say, Iran, putting 125,000 troops in our country??

I just like how he pulled up all the 3rd world shit holes as places that are of greater interest because of the genocide and bullshit, while all of these countries are run by the same savage fuckers that Obama comes from, and it's precisely why they don't have technology or good government, yet he wants to elect Obama!

Love the racism and complete fucking ignorance of world events... the same "savage fuckers" that Obama comes from? He was born in the United States. He is half west african (Kenyan), half Caucasian by descent. How, precisely, does that make him North Korean, Burmese, or Hutu/Tsusti? :haha7:

Iran's working on nukes.

What does Iran have to do with the war in Iraq?

Darfur can't figure out how to use condoms.

Really, now... Are you seriously so clueless that you think the problem people talk about when they mention Darfur is the AIDS epidemic? Why don't you go look it up and come back here and apologize for being so silly?

One can kill us, one's just stupidity killing themselves.

Actually, neither can kill us. Nor could Hussein in Iraq, which was my point. We ignore actual threats AND humanitarian issues and spend American lives and billions of dollars on areas that are neither.

Fucking moron.

Edit: He reminds me of this really hot blonde chick I was fucking for awhile. All day long she posted Myspace messages about Rwanda, Darfur, all that shit... What a bad ass in the sack though. I wonder if BullsLawDan is, in fact, a hot blonde nympho posting in desguise as a retarded male, or if he just drinks the kool-aide of the hot blonde he's getting to fuck right now?

Or maybe he's just dumb.

More member bashing... Do the mods not make it down this far in the forums, or what?

Unwinnable war? How so? The surge is working, and if Democrats would shut their pussy mouths, we'd have more troops there and would have won this thing already.

Maybe you can help the other people I've challenged to let me know exactly how we'll know we've won. Good luck.

Faltering, horrible economy? I dunno about you guys but I'm making more now than I ever did before.

Great for you. Most people aren't, considering just posted inflation numbers.

Your argument is called the fallacy of anecdote.

And the reason why the economy sucks is because the dollar has fallen (the war that we're being handcuffed by the Dems in is causing that problem) and the housing problem. Which was caused by Dems encouraging lenders to give their poor constituents loans to buy a house. Can't pay the loan, lose the house, homes around it fall in value, etc etc.

The dollar has fallen because the government is spending far too much money.

If you think that's only the Democrats' doing, you, quite frankly, are a moron.

$5 gallon of gas? Take a trip to Europe. Tell me how much gas is there, oh ignorant one. The U.S. has been spoiled for years. But if you want the price back down, open ANWR and do some more drilling. Gee, who's stopping that from happening? Also, we need to get off oil. Let's go to nuclear. Oh wait, one political party is stopping that, too. Fine, let's go to wind power. No, wait! Environmentalists say it'll kill migrating birds! Hmm... I don't see the word Republicans or Bush in any of those.

And? Where did I say I liked Democrats? Go ahead, point it out to me. You're going to be searching for a long time.

Nonetheless, your illogical, nonsensical, and laughably innaccurate points don't help your side.

- Opening up new areas for drilling oil will not have a substantial effect on gas prices for a decade. It takes years before new areas even pump their first drop of oil.
- I support nuclear power. You're arguing against nothing.
- I also support wind power. As a matter of fact last summer I wrote legal memos in a court case in western NY supporting the building of turbines a few miles from my house. I also buy wind power from the grid.

Constitutional violations? Which ones? Warantless wiretapping? Think rationally if that's possible for you. Unless you're an al-Qaeda member, the US government is NOT listening to your phone calls. No matter what you think.

And? Nevermind. I'm not in the mood to explain the basic principles of the Constitution to someone as obviously unable to understand it as you.

But back to the gist of your post... you don't really get GD do you? I don't wanna be "ruin the bit guy"... but you might want to get yourself a dictionary... thumb to the S section... and look up "sarcasm." While you're in that section, take a gander at "shithead" as well.

He's not being sarcastic. Trust me on that one.

I think it's more due to the fact that, like so many people of a liberal ideological persuasion, he's ruled far more by emotion than actual logic, common sense, or in some cases, rational grasp of reality.

Who's "he"? I'm a card-carrying Libertarian. And you're not paying attention. Then again, argument from ignorance is a favorite of yours.

Please feel free to point out to me, though, any instances where I used emotion instead of logic or common sense. :haha7:



Sidenote here...
It still amazes me how many people have such shamefully tiny brains that they only see politics as a "this or that" issue and by golly, if I don't like one thing the Republicans do, I must be a bleeding heart liberal Democrat!!! Yet another reason why I believe in school choice and 100% spending vouchers... Any observer here can see the public schools have failed to educate so many people in the area of civics. :haha7::haha7: (omg... he's opposed to the war, AND supports vouchers?? How can anyone have those two positions??? Doesn't that put him in NEITHER political party? ::sound of peoples' heads exploding::)



If anyone has anything besides member bashing and clueless stabs in the dark based on what they think my views are, let me know, and we can continue this discussion.

[Capt.Caveman]

Member bashing. Good argument. :rolleyes:



And how's that going?

Since you're so insistent that we're "winning", maybe you can define for me, in no uncertain terms, when we have "won" and can leave Iraq? If you can do that, you should be President, because he hasn't been able to do that. No one ever has.

It's the Vietnam scenario... "Winning" as a movable, nebulous target that war supporters say we need to get to, but can never really tell us where it is.



No, we're the occupiers. I suppose, then, that you'd be OK with, say, Iran, putting 125,000 troops in our country??



Love the racism and complete fucking ignorance of world events... the same "savage fuckers" that Obama comes from? He was born in the United States. He is half west african (Kenyan), half Caucasian by descent. How, precisely, does that make him North Korean, Burmese, or Hutu/Tsusti? :haha7:



What does Iran have to do with the war in Iraq?



Really, now... Are you seriously so clueless that you think the problem people talk about when they mention Darfur is the AIDS epidemic? Why don't you go look it up and come back here and apologize for being so silly?



Actually, neither can kill us. Nor could Hussein in Iraq, which was my point. We ignore actual threats AND humanitarian issues and spend American lives and billions of dollars on areas that are neither.



More member bashing... Do the mods not make it down this far in the forums, or what?



Maybe you can help the other people I've challenged to let me know exactly how we'll know we've won. Good luck.



Great for you. Most people aren't, considering just posted inflation numbers.

Your argument is called the fallacy of anecdote.



The dollar has fallen because the government is spending far too much money.

If you think that's only the Democrats' doing, you, quite frankly, are a moron.



And? Where did I say I liked Democrats? Go ahead, point it out to me. You're going to be searching for a long time.

Nonetheless, your illogical, nonsensical, and laughably innaccurate points don't help your side.

- Opening up new areas for drilling oil will not have a substantial effect on gas prices for a decade. It takes years before new areas even pump their first drop of oil.
- I support nuclear power. You're arguing against nothing.
- I also support wind power. As a matter of fact last summer I wrote legal memos in a court case in western NY supporting the building of turbines a few miles from my house. I also buy wind power from the grid.



And? Nevermind. I'm not in the mood to explain the basic principles of the Constitution to someone as obviously unable to understand it as you.



He's not being sarcastic. Trust me on that one.



Who's "he"? I'm a card-carrying Libertarian. And you're not paying attention. Then again, argument from ignorance is a favorite of yours.

Please feel free to point out to me, though, any instances where I used emotion instead of logic or common sense. :haha7:



Sidenote here...
It still amazes me how many people have such shamefully tiny brains that they only see politics as a "this or that" issue and by golly, if I don't like one thing the Republicans do, I must be a bleeding heart liberal Democrat!!! Yet another reason why I believe in school choice and 100% spending vouchers... Any observer here can see the public schools have failed to educate so many people in the area of civics. :haha7::haha7: (omg... he's opposed to the war, AND supports vouchers?? How can anyone have those two positions??? Doesn't that put him in NEITHER political party? ::sound of peoples' heads exploding::)



If anyone has anything besides member bashing and clueless stabs in the dark based on what they think my views are, let me know, and we can continue this discussion.

Actually Glenn made a lot of valid points but labeling him as racist and ignorant seems to be your comeback to those. AAANNNNDD btw Obama was born muslim....i'm just sayin

[BullsLawDan]

Actually Glenn made a lot of valid points but labeling him as racist and ignorant seems to be your comeback to those. AAANNNNDD btw Obama was born muslim....i'm just sayin

The views he espoused were racist ones, i.e. judging someone on the basis of race and declaring them inferior because of it.

And "ignorance" is not bashing, it is factual when a person is shown to be unaware of something that is common knowledge, like for example posting something that was debunked as untrue almost a year ago.

AAAANNNNNNDDD btw, no he wasn't. I don't suppose you have any proof to support your claim? Of course not. Hey, did you hear that if you forward this email from Microsoft they're going to give you Applebee's gift certificates? I mean, everything you read in your email is true, right? :icon_roll

[Stalker2]

Imagine if this was 2001 and this closet Muslim was running for president

with his Black Panther Angry Negro African American Wife.

How soon you forget.

Want to destroy our country?

Vote for this Fucking Tool.

Fuck You Liberal Commie Traitors.

My Country, Me First.

[Capt.Caveman]

The views he espoused were racist ones, i.e. judging someone on the basis of race and declaring them inferior because of it.

And "ignorance" is not bashing, it is factual when a person is shown to be unaware of something that is common knowledge, like for example posting something that was debunked as untrue almost a year ago.

AAAANNNNNNDDD btw, no he wasn't. I don't suppose you have any proof to support your claim? Of course not. Hey, did you hear that if you forward this email from Microsoft they're going to give you Applebee's gift certificates? I mean, everything you read in your email is true, right? :icon_roll

Your a faggotty liberal even though you'll say no i'm not like most white guilt jizzbags like yourself. ever been to the dmv in nj..??? lovely bunch of colored people there, how bout jersey shore medical center? more lovely colored people that are educated nurses and nurses aides and they still act like savages, but faggots like yourself will hire thgem over more qualified white candidates cause you great great grandfather owned their great great grandfather, so before you go against gd and call him ignorant and racist there are a lot of truths to what he's saying but you'll ignore things staring you in the face and make excuses and be a pc jizz bag AANNNDDD lots of non muslims are named barack hussein obama he was born a muslim his father was MUSLIM making him a MUSLIM. Hence born a MUSLIM. make some more excuses to cover your white guilt i'm just sayin

[Plunkies]

And how's that going?

Well? Not well? How the fuck should I know?

Since you're so insistent that we're "winning", maybe you can define for me, in no uncertain terms, when we have "won" and can leave Iraq? If you can do that, you should be President, because he hasn't been able to do that. No one ever has. Do you not understand the difference between combat and political faggery? You later mention we're "occupiers". It's difficult to occupy a country without winning in combat. We've had their dictator executed. How much more decisive of a win do you need? We won the war in Japan when the bombs were dropped, not after we rebuilt their country.

You've listened to the stupid news so much that you're talking like them, and I have no intention of arguing the semantics of bureaucratic pussies who think wars are won by kindness and happy feelings.

It's the Vietnam scenario... "Winning" as a movable, nebulous target that war supporters say we need to get to, but can never really tell us where it is. More political bullshit. We won the combat. 50 something thousand Americans dead vs well over a million Vietnamese? Unfortunatelly you can't win a football game when politically correct bureaucrats tell you you're not allowed to cross the 50 yard line, and then wonder why there's little change when we leave.

No, we're the occupiers. I suppose, then, that you'd be OK with, say, Iran, putting 125,000 troops in our country??What the fuck? You're confused. I was responding to your suggestion that fighting a war against enemy combatants is the same as terrorism.

[mendozathejew]

Wow, Obama really fucking handled this one badly.

never heard shit from Condoleezza Rice when she is drawn with stereotypical massive lips.

[Ballbuster1]

I thought it was obviously satire. This pc mentality is just killing this country.
He would have done better to just ignore it and move on.

[Vyce]

I thought it was obviously satire. This pc mentality is just killing this country.
He would have done better to just ignore it and move on.

That's what I mean when I say he handled it badly.

He gave a strong reaction to it, likely because he thought that's what people expected of him, but he very much miscalculated, to the point where even some liberals were like, "Dude, what the fuck was that all about."

The only thing I take issue with is the premise of the satire itself, namely that "this is a depiction of Obama as REPUBLICANS are going to make him out to be."

Except, of course, it was a DEMOCRAT who was the one proliferating the "Obama is a Muslim" meme.

[Turfmower]

They been make cartoon like this of over 100 years back in the olden days it was cartoons of Carnegie, Standard Oil, Tammany Hall, ect. It called freedom of speech or would you rather do it the way the savages do it by blowing people up when they print a picture of a savage with a bomb hat.

[MrBogey]

More political bullshit. We won the combat. 50 something thousand Americans dead vs well over a million Vietnamese? Unfortunatelly you can't win a football game when politically correct bureaucrats tell you you're not allowed to cross the 50 yard line, and then wonder why there's little change when we leave.

FWIW...in Vietnam when we left we had secured the south from guerilla fighters. In fact, the VC was more a legend than an actual effective fighting force. They were in such good shape a spring invasion by the north was repelled and it took 3 more years for the commies to successfully invade the south. That was of course after we stopped selling them weapons and giving them cash.