McCain/Palin lead by 10% in latest USA Today/Gallup poll

[Atomic Fireball]

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen2.htm

Ouch put some ice on that

17-point turnaround in 8 days

[Sinn Fein]

Hopefully it holds.

[Begbie]

I think having the convention after the dems helps. Let them have their moment and hopefully they won't see too much of a bounce in the polls (Gallup had Obama leading, at most, by 8 points). Then pull out all the stops at your convention and hope for the best. Rasmussen had actually stated that we need to wait until at least Tuesday before everyone makes up their minds about the convention and we'll see the full effect of how people felt about the RNC. But this is a huge jump.

Again...it's only the polls...but it does give us a fairly good idea that many were impressed by both Palin and the RNC. Not only that but...Zogby has McCain up by 4% and Gallup by 3%.

[abudabit]

Palin was such an awful pick. :haha7:

That's what happens when the opposition spends 90% of their time obsessing on the new woman's family.

[Begbie]

I'm starting to enjoy the initial reactions from the original McCain pick thread from Page 2 or 3 on. Obviously, there's still plenty of time left til November...but some of the "obvious" ones were ready to give Obama the White House.

http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=95997&page=2

It's actually quite funny how the baggers on here who totally despise McCain and want a piece of Obama's "Change" just ripped apart Palin...some even suggesting it would be all downhill from then.

Then you have the baggers who generally don't care and aren't on either side...alot of them were critical of the pick, but wanted to take a wait and see approach.

Then you have the general pro-McCain baggers who were so-so about the pick at first...but were hopeful she would pan out and were supporting her. I think Dougal gets most of the credit because he's so far correct on the mark about how Palin would give McCain an immediate boost.

This might be a really smart pick...

So far, it is Sinn.

This is just the first leap. Face it, McCain is a boring dolt. And picking your typical, boring Washington politician would make things difficult for the campaign. He clearly wanted someone that can be capable of igniting the party. Palin so far has got these creeps smiling ear to ear and attention is now drawn on the ticket.

[Vyce]

Hey now, I've labelled the Palin pick as brilliant, although I'm not sure if I've gone into detail about it here. I've done it at other sites / boards, though.

This is a total aside, but thinking upon Earl's bet on the R&F show, I would laugh until I shit myself if McCain wins the election by 13 points or whatever ridiculous figure Earl bet would be the ultimate result of an Obama win.

[CousinDave]

One of the best lines I heard from one of the TV pundits was something like this

The Democrats can't lose, but Obama can't win
The Republicans can't win, but McCain can't lose

[Begbie]

I absolutely expect this to be a close race regardless.

But, if there's any chance McCain adds to this lead in the polls...something is going to happen to Biden allowing Obama to pick Hillary.

You heard it here first.

[abudabit]

2 months, expect a few more back and forths.

[CousinDave]

Hey now, I've labelled the Palin pick as brilliant, although I'm not sure if I've gone into detail about it here. I've done it at other sites / boards, though.

This is a total aside, but thinking upon Earl's bet on the R&F show, I would laugh until I shit myself if McCain wins the election by 13 points or whatever ridiculous figure Earl bet would be the ultimate result of an Obama win.


The McCain victory is going to be close to 40 states, the way things are going Obama might blow in in CT, NJ, OR, and WA. MI, WI, PA, & MN all states that went for Kerry will go McCain, McCain will win at least 1 of ME electoral votes.

McCain can really hurt Obama in CA - which was closer than anyone realizes in 2004, only 8 points difference between Bush and Kerry. McCain will force Obama to spend money in CA that Obama should spend in OR, WA, & NJ.

The media will keep the Obama campaign going as long as they can, to bleed the money out of them, Obama isn't taking public funds for his campaign so he can continue to raise money which will end up in the hands of TV stations.

[Buster H]

i actually called palin a "gimmick"

that was my original reaction...... after looking in to her record for a few hours, holy shit he done good

[Sinn Fein]

There are rumors swirling that Obama is looking for a way to drop Biden and pick up Hillary to try and combat the Palin pick. It's probably a load of shit, but I wouldn't put it past his poll-watching, backpedaling ass.

[Buster H]

There are rumors swirling that Obama is looking for a way to drop Biden and pick up Hillary to try and combat the Palin pick. It's probably a load of shit, but I wouldn't put it past his poll-watching, backpedaling ass.

i think it would backfire on him at this point. not with the hardcores, but with the independents

[abudabit]

Switching VP's would be suicide, regardless of who is being switched.

[CousinDave]

There are rumors swirling that Obama is looking for a way to drop Biden and pick up Hillary to try and combat the Palin pick. It's probably a load of shit, but I wouldn't put it past his poll-watching, backpedaling ass.


Its a load of shit.

More likely the Democrats are looking for a way to drop Obama so Hillary could run for President as was planned on.

[Begbie]

There are rumors swirling that Obama is looking for a way to drop Biden and pick up Hillary to try and combat the Palin pick. It's probably a load of shit, but I wouldn't put it past his poll-watching, backpedaling ass.

If he squanders further...I would not be shocked if that happens. If it stays close...probably not. Obama will do anything to get in there...and Hillary will do anything to get her dusty cunt in there.

[Sam_Adams]

Republicans are gonna win, Republicans are gonna win :D Failing again Demos, just like in 2000 and 2004.

[Sam_Adams]

Palin was such an awful pick. :haha7:

That's what happens when the opposition spends 90% of their time obsessing on the new woman's family.

x2 :clap::clap::clap: The demos and talking heads on TV don't know what in the fuck they are ever saying.

She is such an awful pick huh? Well, why in the fuck is she more popular that Obama, the chameleon? They don't know shit. Kind of like when they expected Kerry to beat Bush in 2k4 but it didn't happen

[Buster H]

it looks to me like the dems are falling apart.... again.

i will wait until election day until i do any celebrating though

[CousinDave]

it looks to me like the dems are falling apart.... again.

i will wait until election day until i do any celebrating though


I wouldn't go out celebrating on election night - I have a feeling some cities are going to burn!

[patbattlefield]

I wouldn't go out celebrating on election night - I have a feeling some cities are going to burn!

race war!

[bethm1b]

Polls are Bullshit and always have been. They never tell you who they're polling or where. Plus, people give the answer they're led to by the pollster.

[CousinDave]

Do you realize most polls taken (by good pollsters) just before the election are right about 85% of the time, with about 12% within the margin of error.

[BIV]

Polls are Bullshit and always have been. They never tell you who they're polling or where. Plus, people give the answer they're led to by the pollster.
Gallup is an extremely well done poll that uses scientific sampling to determine who to call. It's not always right, but it's accurate most of the time. Polling is not random and doesn't focus on just one area.

[DJ Evel Ed]

Why don't they poll the people who actually elect the president? Certainly not us.

[Papagolash]

Ugh.

[distortion9]

Fuck, they already beat me to it....

<angryliberaltypingguy> POLLS ARE BULLSHIT UNLESS THEY'RE IN OUR FAVOR!!! <angryliberaltypingguy>

[Cromwell]

FACE!

:icon_mrgr

:icon_cool

[Begbie]

Bumbling dolt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDJSVPAx8xc

[patbattlefield]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

RCP Average: +3.2% for McCain

[DonTheTrucker]

I don't trust polls no matter who is winning.

But it would appear that Obama took a sure thing and shat all over it.

[DocSavage]

...as I have said all along ...McCain Cleans this Bozo's clock on election day!

On a small personal note:
I just hung up the phone with a couple of retired jewish friends that were leaning the Obama way because they did not like McCain that much and had been enthalled by the Obama change rhetoric. Both are solidly voting McCain because of Sarah Palin and they finally realized McCain is "deserving of the position". Quite a turn around. I was even surprised.

[Sidekick Dave]

See? Americans don't want to hear what they need to hear. They want something sugar coated. And this is why people are going with McCain. And what worries me is that people have already made up their minds and even when McCain and Palin get molested in their respective debates, nobody will care.

[abudabit]

I think as much as the Republicans are in the shitter, most Americans genuinely does not want what the Democrats are offering. Democrat policy is great for Europe but it doesn't have a place here.

[DonTheTrucker]

See? Americans don't want to hear what they need to hear. They want something sugar coated. And this is why people are going with McCain. And what worries me is that people have already made up their minds and even when McCain and Palin get molested in their respective debates, nobody will care.

How delusional can you be? Obama and Biden both stink in unscripted situations. Don't mistake faith in our country and its people for sugar coating. Not everyone thinks that we're doomed unless Barack Hussein Obama saves us.

[DJ Evel Ed]

How is Bob Barr polling?

[Zona992006]

Do you realize most polls taken (by good pollsters) just before the election are right about 85% of the time, with about 12% within the margin of error.

It depends..I looked this up.

this is from www.scientificpolls.com

If its a leap year, or if its a thursday, or if the pollsters are lef handed, things change...

[Friday]

this is a normal post-convention bump.

it will go back to normal by the end of the week. :)

[DonTheTrucker]

this is a normal post-convention bump.

it will go back to normal by the end of the week. :)

The problem is that Obama got almost no bump probably due to the Palin thing.

[Friday]

The problem is that Obama got almost no bump probably due to the Palin thing.

o reeeeleeeee???

Post Convention Bump for Obama (http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7012145474)

From 9/2:

http://media.gallup.com/poll/graphs/080902DailyUpdateGraph1_cnwprms.gif

[DonTheTrucker]

o reeeeleeeee???

Post Convention Bump for Obama (http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7012145474)

From 9/2:

http://media.gallup.com/poll/graphs/080902DailyUpdateGraph1_cnwprms.gif

All I see is tiny lines on my blackberry. Was it 18 points?

This is all pointless anyway since I never will trust even polls that support my view...

[CousinDave]

How is Bob Barr polling?


Not very well, but he can win, Obama can't. If the Obama supporters would realize by voting for Obama they are just wasting their vote and switch to voting for Bob Barr, there is a chance the Republicans will lose this election.

[DonTheTrucker]

Ok I finally got to check out the original link. Lots of polls with lots of different results. It just made me want to kick a puppy I was so confused. Polls stink. McCain is gonna win, but trying to figure out by how much is impossible. Obama is self destructing at such a rate now that I wouldn't be even be surprised if he showed up on a Sunday morning panel show in a bunny suit with a dead hooker's head in his hand. Somehow he's managed to make people who HATED McCain a year ago actually excited about voting for the old coot.

[ZeoVGM]

There are rumors swirling that Obama is looking for a way to drop Biden and pick up Hillary to try and combat the Palin pick. It's probably a load of shit, but I wouldn't put it past his poll-watching, backpedaling ass.

:haha7:

Oh dude, that's sad.

I can't believe you just used "poll-watching" as an insult.

[Sinn Fein]

:haha7:

Oh dude, that's sad.

I can't believe you just used "poll-watching" as an insult.

Why? He changes his positions on things based on trends/polls. It's no secret.

It wasn't meant to be an insult, just fact.

[ZeoVGM]

Why? He changes his positions on things based on trends/polls. It's no secret.

It wasn't meant to be an insult, just fact.

Both of them do. That is also fact.

[abudabit]

What's wrong with poll watching? I'm watching these polls saying Obama is gonna lose.

[nataskaos]

Why? He changes his positions on things based on trends/polls. It's no secret.

It wasn't meant to be an insult, just fact.

an elected official who listens to the voice of the people?

people won't know what to do with themselves. (And don't get it twisted - McCain watches the polls just as much Obama does. They'd both tell us that they'd kick babies in the face if it got them votes. I give you the "change" platform. )

[oandapartycock]

You have to give it to the Republicans. They know how to operate the machinery. Picking Palin was a genius move because elections these days are nothing more than popularity contests. To have people with Obama's experience or hers on either ticket would have been unheard of not that long ago. The Cult of Personality is what it's all about these days.

In 2004 the Republicans had a lot of swing states add constitutional gay marriage bans to the election which ended up bringing A LOT of conservatives to the polls. I think it's what ultimately decided Ohio for the Republicans and in turn, the election.

[CousinDave]

You have to give it to the Republicans. They know how to operate the machinery. Picking Palin was a genius move because elections these days are nothing more than popularity contests. To have people with Obama's experience or hers on either ticket would have been unheard of not that long ago. The Cult of Personality is what it's all about these days.

In 2004 the Republicans had a lot of swing states add constitutional gay marriage bans to the election which ended up bringing A LOT of conservatives to the polls. I think it's what ultimately decided Ohio for the Republicans and in turn, the election.



The Republicans won in 2004 because of "Genghis Khan."

[Absolutely]

What's wrong with poll watching? I'm watching
Nothing at all....
http://queermenow.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/circlejerk.jpg
(It was about time for a cock joke, and I know pole isn't poll)

[Jim T.]

I haven't had a chance to listen to the show much since Palin's speech. Did they point out how she cut off Obama's balls and waved them in his face? And she was actually funny. That's what's really been driving him crazy, I think. They recognized his weakness, his thin skin, and they targeted that with great jabs. He can't stand the idea that they don't take him as seriously as he takes himself. I love it.

Picking Palin was a genius move because elections these days are nothing more than popularity contests.

These days? As opposed to when?

[Absolutely]

I haven't had a chance to listen to the show much since Palin's speech. Did they point out how she cut off Obama's balls and waved them in his face? And she was actually funny.

I'll admit that she did a good job, but to say she was funny...Crazyness

[oandapartycock]

The Republicans won in 2004 because of "Genghis Khan."

I guess you could point to a lot of things that tipped the scale towards Bush in 2004. But I think Kerry's speaking out against Vietnam when he got back did less damage than that.

The Republicans also gained seats in congress and in most state legislatures as well.

[Jim T.]

I'll admit that she did a good job, but to say she was funny...Crazyness

I'm crazy, then, because I laughed several times. Part of it was just the shock of somebody saying that stuff during a convention speech. And she's still inside Obama's head almost a week later.

[Begbie]

Ouch.

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/5017/080909subgroups2njdld9ksl7.gif

Forgot to add the link...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110137/McCain-Now-Winning-Majority-Independents.aspx

[Treat_Yourself]

Not very well, but he can win, Obama can't. If the Obama supporters would realize by voting for Obama they are just wasting their vote and switch to voting for Bob Barr, there is a chance the Republicans will lose this election.
I wish that would happen, but people are convinved that voting for a third party is "wasting your vote". I guess voting for a black guy who hangs out with terrorists and goes to "white people created HIV" church is doing something constructive.

[SwimConnerSwim]

To further add to the poll mess, the projected electoral college is a real cluster fuck.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

This site uses the polls in each state to track the possible direction the electoral college will go. Dark blue/Dark red & light blue/light red would go to their specific canidate, but any state with a white center with an outline of color is technically a toss up (tied) and totally white states are true ties. At the moment, there are 130 electoral votes totally up in the air. 270 is the threshold for victory.

[Vyce]

There are rumors swirling that Obama is looking for a way to drop Biden and pick up Hillary to try and combat the Palin pick. It's probably a load of shit, but I wouldn't put it past his poll-watching, backpedaling ass.

It's not going to happen.

But there are some lefties on the nutroots sites like HuffPo or DU or Kos which are calling for this to happen.

Which is UNBELIEVABLY funny.

Why? Because early last week, once the story about Palin's daughter being pregnant came out, HuffPo and other nutroots sites were pushing the "Eagleton meme" regarding Palin (for those who don't know him, Eagleton was McGovern's VP pick in the 1972 election, and his dropping of Eagleton shortly before the election in favor of a different VP pick is one of the things which helped Nixon slaughter McGovern in the general election). Trying to argue that Palin would have to drop out.

Fast forward a week later, and their candidate is getting ass-***** in the polls and it's them who are panicking and questioning whether to jettison their own VP pick.

[Vyce]

this is a normal post-convention bump.

it will go back to normal by the end of the week. :)

We'll see. No one expected for McCain to jump this far. His jump over Obama is in the double digits in some polls (once you factor in how much he was behind to now how far he is ahead).

What's more important than these overall polls is the state polls. Some of the key states have trended away from Obama for some time now, and a few of them now, like Ohio, show McCain ahead by a fucking shitload. And that's very bad news for Barack if those numbers don't stabilize.

[Begbie]

Ha! I love North Carolina. The polls in NC were close prior to the RNC...but McCain just pulled ahead by 20.

[DonTheTrucker]

Ha! I love North Carolina. The polls in NC were close prior to the RNC...but McCain just pulled ahead by 20.

That can't be accurate. 20?

[Vyce]

That can't be accurate. 20?

Don't be so sure it's NOT accurate, Don. I've been hearing that in several states, mostly down South, where Obama was supposedly going to make an effort to compete (or at least, that was the game plan at some point), Obama's been cutting spending, basically seceeding those states to McCain in the general.

This is going to come down to probably a dozen different "battleground" states. As of the moment, in quite a few of them, McCain's pulled ahead, or Obama holds a very small lead.

[Jim T.]

I don't care about the polls at this point, but I'm interested in how Obama responds to them. So far: Not well.

[Begbie]

That can't be accurate. 20?

I should've clarified, sorry bud. McCain held an 8 point lead in NC, but it narrowed to 4 after the DNC. After the RNC, he now leads by 20 points (58 to 38) in NC. NC was a state that Obama was going to fight for because it was close...but McCain just took off. That might be the case in these other red states that Obama was targeting.

[DonTheTrucker]

I should've clarified, sorry bud. McCain held an 8 point lead in NC, but it narrowed to 4 after the DNC. After the RNC, he now leads by 20 points (58 to 38) in NC. NC was a state that Obama was going to fight for because it was close...but McCain just took off. That might be the case in these other red states that Obama was targeting.

I wasn't questioning you by the way. I just don't trust polls.

[oandapartycock]

Ouch.

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/5017/080909subgroups2njdld9ksl7.gif

The thread in that picture looks like it's starting to unravel faster than one started by...
I'm not going there :action-sm

[Fr. Dougal]

The big thing to remember here is... McCain's bump is coming after the convention, which itself came SEVERAL DAYS AFTER Palin was announced. In other words, the Palin pick is proving to be more than just a temporary "gimmick." She has lasting power.

More importantly, she's taking on the other side's top name on their ticket. This is all working to keep the GOP's machine basically on standby mode. They don't need to go overboard with ads and whatnot while their VP pick is getting the press.

Plus, and perhaps most importantly, whether it was the shock value or not, picking Palin got some of those fence-sitters (and weakly-left-leaners) to take another look at McCain and his platform. That could be what's accounting for the double-digit swing. (As opposed to Obama's what, 8 point bump after his convention? -- less than half of what was even mildly predicted.)

So thanks to Palin, these are voters who have now been swayed to McCain's side. And though they're fickle, we're now inside 8 weeks to go. It might be quick enough to keep them.

Even liberal networks are seeing a McCain lead in their polling.

I'll be honest, I don't think it's so much Obama falling apart as it is, there's just nothing there to begin with. Now McCain's camp is employing the brilliant strategy of telling voters, "hey, he talks 'change' but I've actually done it, and so has my VP." Something I've wanted him to do since the start. How brilliant to wait until the homestretch to pull that card out. Do it now, so the fickle people don't have enough time to re-change their minds back to Obama. I didn't think it was possible, but McCain seems to have actually broken through to some of these sheeple voters, temporarily or not.

[MrBogey]

I haven't said much about this. but I'll say this...Mark it.

A lot of the Dem supporters laughed off Palin and said the campaign was over for McCain when they heard her announced as his VP pick. They committed a classic blunder in politics. They supposed their reaction towards Palin was universal with the electorate. So their negatives toward her seemed incredibly strong. So much it would lift Obama to a clear victory.

Luckily for McCain, most Americans aren't like HuffPo and Kos bloggers. Americans reacted well to her. Which is why their overwhelmingly negative campaigning against her was so off-putting.

The Obama supporters blew it for Obama. Same as the McGovernites did in 1972.

From my lips to God's ear.

[Begbie]

I wasn't questioning you by the way. I just don't trust polls.

Gotcha...and I agree.

The big thing to remember here is... McCain's bump is coming after the convention, which itself came SEVERAL DAYS AFTER Palin was announced. In other words, the Palin pick is proving to be more than just a temporary "gimmick." She has lasting power.

More importantly, she's taking on the other side's top name on their ticket. This is all working to keep the GOP's machine basically on standby mode. They don't need to go overboard with ads and whatnot while their VP pick is getting the press.

Plus, and perhaps most importantly, whether it was the shock value or not, picking Palin got some of those fence-sitters (and weakly-left-leaners) to take another look at McCain and his platform. That could be what's accounting for the double-digit swing. (As opposed to Obama's what, 8 point bump after his convention? -- less than half of what was even mildly predicted.)

So thanks to Palin, these are voters who have now been swayed to McCain's side. And though they're fickle, we're now inside 8 weeks to go. It might be quick enough to keep them.

Even liberal networks are seeing a McCain lead in their polling.

I'll be honest, I don't think it's so much Obama falling apart as it is, there's just nothing there to begin with. Now McCain's camp is employing the brilliant strategy of telling voters, "hey, he talks 'change' but I've actually done it, and so has my VP." Something I've wanted him to do since the start. How brilliant to wait until the homestretch to pull that card out. Do it now, so the fickle people don't have enough time to re-change their minds back to Obama. I didn't think it was possible, but McCain seems to have actually broken through to some of these sheeple voters, temporarily or not.

Damn...why do I agree so wholeheartedly with a Rangers fan? :) Well...excellent points as usual. And I think there's an understanding as to why McCain picked Palin over typical, sometimes boring Washington politicians like Lieberman or Romney. Palin has clearly ignited the party and now, instead of hearing daily about Obama and his whirlwind of change...we now hear about Palin and her family and what she's done for Alaska. Meanwhile, you've got lefty faggots trying to tear her apart which has had the opposite effect. The Palin pick has clearly backed the Obama campaign into a corner and I think they're still reeling, trying to figure out what the hell to do. And if they choose to attack Palin back (which appears to be the case), they have to be extremely careful, considering the left has already taken some heat for the attacks on her.

Obviously...these polls are bullshit, we can vote today and anything can happen. But, what they're fairly good at showing is trends. The trend is clearly up for McCain...and in some cases, way up.

[BIV]

I've been watching alot of CNN and MSNBC since the Palin announcement to get the point of view from the other side and it seems the consensus of everyone, regardless of bias, is that the Obama camp is just reeling and doesn't know how to deal with this.

I heard a great comparison today between this and the Obama/Hillary run. Hillary thought she was a shoe in to become a candidate and then this upstart came in, upset her plans and she just couldn't find a way to combat him. Obama is now in the same position except he has only 60 days to try to do what Hillary couldn't in two years.

The republicans just know how to win and they prove it even in the elections they lose, if you understand what I'm saying. Every talking point obama had was stolen by McCain and Palin last week, and now McCain is falling back into his old message and letting Palin handle the "Change" angle. If you enemy is using both their tactics and yours, how do you overcome that?

The Dem's solution was an all out attack focussed mainly on personal issues and the vice president's family, which made them look like bullies.

Obama focussed on Palin, lowering himself to the "Number Two" and leaving McCain to campaign unopposed.

And where the hell is Biden? The selection of this loud mouth may have sounded good at the time, but with Palin as the second instead of an old white hair like they expected, every time this guy opens his mouth they have to wonder if he is going to put his foot in it.

And while all of this is happening, the conservative and religious base has been hardened into a brick of support that wasn't there just a couple weeks ago.

From a purely political point of view, Republicans are God Damn Brilliant.

[Fr. Dougal]

Damn...why do I agree so wholeheartedly with a Rangers fan? :)

We just love her 'cause she plays hockey. :D

The Palin pick has clearly backed the Obama campaign into a corner and I think they're still reeling, trying to figure out what the hell to do.

Exactly. They're reeling. They've now had a few weeks to ramp up the smear mill... and the worst they've come up with is Troopergate? Which, when you look at the details, you'd side with Palin anyway.

I know for a fact a very liberal network sent out an email to its staffers directing them to stay away from the Troopergate story, because in their words, there's no wrongdoing yet. And it's making it look bad for Dems.

[oandapartycock]

I haven't said much about this. but I'll say this...Mark it.

A lot of the Dem supporters laughed off Palin and said the campaign was over for McCain when they heard her announced as his VP pick. They committed a classic blunder in politics. They supposed their reaction towards Palin was universal with the electorate. So their negatives toward her seemed incredibly strong. So much it would lift Obama to a clear victory.

Luckily for McCain, most Americans aren't like HuffPo and Kos bloggers. Americans reacted well to her. Which is why their overwhelmingly negative campaigning against her was so off-putting.

The Obama supporters blew it for Obama. Same as the McGovernites did in 1972.

From my lips to God's ear.

I think it's a spot-on take of the whole situation. The supporters have made it more difficult for Obama to pull this off by alienating the independents and fence sitters. They do this while thinking their only audience is themselves and other diehard democrats.

[patbattlefield]

Welcome to the New Republican Era. Democrats had it all. They had the Congress. They had the Senate. They had a President of the opposite party involved in an unpopular war with a record low approval rating. They had all the stars aligned and they fucked it up. I honestly thought Obama had it in the bag, but that ol' Achilles heel of liberals struck again; their inability to hide their elitism and disdain for the average American and their values. You lose. Good day, sir.

[CousinDave]

I honestly thought Obama had it in the bag, but that ol' Achilles heel of liberals struck again; their inability to hide their elitism and disdain for the average American and their values. You lose. Good day, sir.


I never thought for a second that Obama had a realistic chance of being elected.

McCain could die the day before election day, and McCain will still win the election.

The Democrats went with a loser, like they usually do, they could have had it all with Hillary, but they went with the novelty candidate.

[Begbie]

McCain could die the day before election day, and McCain will still win the election.

I don't know if you're being sarcastic here or not...but you'd partially be right. All it would take is for these left wing media nuts to say, "It's a blessing that McCain died because he would've destroyed the country and liberalistic (if that's a word) thinking." That would be more of the same from the left and those negative shots seem to do them in.

This election has suddenly not become about McCain vs. Obama anyway with the way the dems have been focusing their efforts on Palin. The way the dems and the media have been going after Palin...you'd think she was running for President. This is another reason why I think the Obama campaign is in trouble because McCain picking Palin has thrown them totally off kilter. They just didn't see it coming and now they don't know what's up, what's down, whatever.

[DoucheMeister]

i never thought for a second that obama had a realistic chance of being elected.

Mccain could die the day before election day, and mccain will still win the election.

The democrats went with a loser, like they usually do, they could have had it all with hillary, but they went with the novelty candidate.

bingo!

[CousinDave]

I don't know if you're being sarcastic here or not...but you'd partially be right. All it would take is for these left wing media nuts to say, "It's a blessing that McCain died because he would've destroyed the country and liberalistic (if that's a word) thinking." That would be more of the same from the left and those negative shots seem to do them in.

This election has suddenly not become about McCain vs. Obama anyway with the way the dems have been focusing their efforts on Palin. The way the dems and the media have been going after Palin...you'd think she was running for President. This is another reason why I think the Obama campaign is in trouble because McCain picking Palin has thrown them totally off kilter. They just didn't see it coming and now they don't know what's up, what's down, whatever.


In 2000 a guy running for the US Senate from Missouri (I think) died just before the election, but still won the election.

[MrBogey]

In 2000 a guy running for the US Senate from Missouri (I think) died just before the election, but still won the election.

Carnahan. They announced his widow would take his seat so essentially Ashcroft had to run a campaign where he could attack his opponent and definitely couldn't attack the widow of his opponent. totally uphill fight for him.

[MrBogey]

Oh...and I think Obama has a good shot at winning this. As a Republic we don't care about a capricious popular majority. We care about a majority of states. As is, there's enough solid states in either candidates column to giver either one a victory with only a few leaners.