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Sinn Fein
09-08-2008, 01:21 AM
:haha7:

MSNBC Takes Incendiary Hosts From Anchor Seat (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/08/business/media/08msnbc.html?_r=2&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin)

MSNBC tried a bold experiment this year by putting two politically incendiary hosts, Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews, in the anchor chair to lead the cable news channel’s coverage of the election.

That experiment appears to be over.

After months of accusations of political bias and simmering animosity between MSNBC and its parent network NBC, the channel decided over the weekend that the NBC News correspondent and MSNBC host David Gregory would anchor news coverage of the coming debates and election night. Mr. Olbermann and Mr. Matthews will remain as analysts during the coverage.

The change — which comes in the home stretch of the long election cycle — is a direct result of tensions associated with the channel’s perceived shift to the political left.

“The most disappointing shift is to see the partisan attitude move from prime time into what’s supposed to be straight news programming,” said Davidson Goldin, formerly the editorial director of MSNBC and a co-founder of the reputation management firm DolceGoldin.

Executives at the channel’s parent company, NBC Universal, had high hopes for MSNBC’s coverage of the political conventions. Instead, the coverage frequently descended into on-air squabbles between the anchors, embarrassing some workers at NBC’s news division, and quite possibly alienating viewers. Although MSNBC nearly doubled its total audience compared with the 2004 conventions, its competitive position did not improve, as it remained in last place among the broadcast and cable news networks. In prime time, the channel averaged 2.2 million viewers during the Democratic convention and 1.7 million viewers during the Republican convention.

The success of the Fox News Channel in the past decade along with the growth of political blogs have convinced many media companies that provocative commentary attracts viewers and lures Web browsers more than straight news delivered dispassionately.

“In a rapidly changing media environment, this is the great philosophical debate,” Phil Griffin, the president of MSNBC, said in a telephone interview Saturday. Fighting the ratings game, he added, “the bottom line is that we’re experiencing incredible success.”

But as the past two weeks have shown, that success has a downside. When the vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin lamented media bias during her speech, attendees of the Republican convention loudly chanted “NBC.”

In interviews, 10 current and former staff members said that long-simmering tensions between MSNBC and NBC reached a boiling point during the conventions. “MSNBC is behaving like a heroin addict,” one senior staff member observed. “They’re living from fix to fix and swearing they’ll go into rehab the next week.”

The employee, like others, spoke on condition of anonymity because the network does not permit it people to speak to the media without authorization. (The New York Times and NBC News have a content-sharing arrangement exclusively for political coverage.)

Mr. Olbermann, a 49-year-old former sportscaster, has become the face of the more aggressive MSNBC, and the lightning rod for much of the criticism. His program “Countdown,” now a liberal institution, was created by Mr. Olbermann in 2003 but it found its voice in his gnawing dissent regarding the Bush administration, often in the form of “special comment” segments.

As Mr. Olbermann raised his voice, his ratings rose as well, and he now reaches more than one million viewers a night, a higher television rating than any other show in the troubled 12-year history of the network. As a result, his identity largely defines MSNBC. “They have banked the entirety of the network on Keith Olbermann,” one employee said.

In January, Mr. Olbermann and Mr. Matthews, the host of “Hardball,” began co-anchoring primary night coverage, drawing an audience that enjoyed the pair’s “SportsCenter”-style show. While some critics argued that the assignment was akin to having the Fox News commentator Bill O’Reilly anchor on election night — something that has never happened — MSNBC insisted that Mr. Olbermann knew the difference between news and commentary.

But in the past two weeks, that line has been blurred. On the final night of the Republican convention, after MSNBC televised the party’s video “tribute to the victims of 9/11,” including graphic footage of the World Trade Center attacks, Mr. Olbermann abruptly took off his journalistic hat.

“I’m sorry, it’s necessary to say this,” he began. After saying that the video had exploited the memories of the dead, he directly apologized to viewers who were offended. Then, sounding like a network executive, he said it was “probably not appropriate to be shown.”

In an interview on Sunday, Mr. Olbermann said that moment — and the perception that he is “not utterly neutral” — restarted months-old conversations about his role on political nights.

“I found it ironic and instructive that I could have easily said exactly what I did say, exactly when I did say it, if I had been wearing a different hat, and nobody would have taken any issue,” he said.

“Countdown” will still be shown before the three fall debates and a second edition will be shown sometime afterwards, following the program anchored by Mr. Gregory.

The change casts new doubt on what some staff members believe is an effective programming strategy: prime-time talk of a liberal sort. A like-minded talk show will now follow “Countdown” at 9 p.m.: “The Rachel Maddow Show,” hosted by the liberal radio host, begins Monday.

Mr. Griffin, MSNBC’s president, denies that it has an ideology. “I think ideology means we think one way, and we don’t,” he said. Rather than label MSNBC’s prime time as left-leaning, he says it has passion and point of view.

But MSNBC is the cable arm of NBC News, the dispassionate news division of NBC Universal. MSNBC, “Today” and “NBC Nightly News” share some staff members, workspace and content. And some critics are claiming they also share a political affiliation.

The McCain campaign has filed letters of complaint to the news division about its coverage and openly tied MSNBC to it. Tension between the network and the campaign hit an apex the day Mr. McCain announced Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate. MSNBC had reported Friday morning that Ms. Palin’s plane was enroute to the announcement and she was likely the pick. But McCain campaign officials warned the network off, with one official going so far as to say that all of the candidates on the short list were on their way — which MSNBC then reported.

“The fact that it was reported in real time was very embarrassing,” said a senior MSNBC official. “We were told, ‘No, it’s not Sarah Palin and you don’t know who it is.’ ”

Tom Brokaw and Brian Williams, the past and present anchors of “NBC Nightly News,” have told friends and colleagues that they are finding it tougher and tougher to defend the cable arm of the news division, even while they anchored daytime hours of convention coverage on MSNBC and contributed commentary each evening.

Mr. Williams did not respond to a request for comment and Mr. Brokaw declined to comment. At a panel discussion in Denver, Mr. Brokaw acknowledged that Mr. Olbermann and Mr. Matthews had “gone too far” at times, but emphasized they were “not the only voices” on MSNBC, according to The Washington Post.

Al Hunt, the executive Washington bureau chief of Bloomberg News, said that the entire news division was being singled out by Republicans because of the work of partisans like Mr. Olbermann. “To go and tar the whole news network and Brokaw and Mitchell is grossly unfair,” he said, referring to the NBC correspondent Andrea Mitchell.

Some tensions have spilled out on-screen. On the first night in Denver, as the fellow MSNBC host Joe Scarborough talked about the resurgence of the McCain campaign, Mr. Olbermann dismissed it by saying: “Jesus, Joe, why don’t you get a shovel?”

The following night, Mr. Olbermann and his co-anchor for convention coverage, Mr. Matthews, had their own squabble after Mr. Olbermann observed that Mr. Matthews had talked too long.

Some staff members said the tension led to the network’s decision to keep Mr. Olbermann in New York for the Republican convention, after he ran the desk in Denver during the Democratic convention. MSNBC said that he stayed in New York to anchor coverage of Hurricane Gustav. But some workers say there were other reasons — namely, that Mr. Olbermann was concerned about his safety in St. Paul, given the loud crowds at MSNBC’s set in Denver.

NBC Universal executives are also known to be concerned about the perception that MSNBC’s partisan tilt in prime time is bleeding into the rest of the programming day. On a recent Friday afternoon, a graphic labeled “Breaking News” asked: “How many houses does Palin add to the Republican ticket?” Mr. Griffin called the graphic “an embarrassment.”

According to three staff members, Jeff Zucker, chief executive of NBC Universal, and Steve Capus, president of NBC News, considered flying to the Republican convention in Minnesota last week to address the lingering tensions.

Up to now, the company’s public support for MSNBC’s strategy has been enthusiastic. At an anniversary party for Mr. Olbermann in April, Mr. Zucker called “Countdown” “one of the signature brands of the entire company.”

Just last year, Mr. Olbermann signed a four-year, $4-million-a-year contract with MSNBC. NBC is close to supplementing that contract with Mr. Olbermann, extending his deal through 2013 — and ensuring that he will be on MSNBC through the next election.

LiddyRules
09-08-2008, 01:23 AM
FOX News is considered heavily right, they say "fuck it, we are" and they run with it. (I always assumed everyone thought the "Fair and balanced" thing was a joke.)

MSNBC is considered heavily left, they say "we're sorry, don't hate us, we'll try and make it better!"

weeniewawa
09-08-2008, 01:25 AM
msnbc is not changing their views, just who spews them

CousinDave
09-08-2008, 01:30 AM
FOX News is considered heavily right, they say "fuck it, we are" and they run with it. (I always assumed everyone thought the "Fair and balanced" thing was a joke.)

MSNBC is considered heavily left, they say "we're sorry, don't hate us, we'll try and make it better!"


Do you really think Robert Kennedy's son would be at Fox if they were so right wing?

LiddyRules
09-08-2008, 01:36 AM
Do you really think Robert Kennedy's son would be at Fox if they were so right wing? After he got acquitted of savagely beating that French waiter, yes.

CousinDave
09-08-2008, 01:38 AM
After he got acquitted of savagely beating that French waiter, yes.


I never heard that story before is that Douglas Kennedy - he's the one at Fox

Absolutely
09-08-2008, 01:39 AM
I'll just be glad I don't have to watch Matthew's long thin blonde hairs blowing every-fucking-where, that was annoying.

thekidslepthere
09-08-2008, 03:02 AM
FOX News is considered heavily right, they say "fuck it, we are" and they run with it. (I always assumed everyone thought the "Fair and balanced" thing was a joke.)

MSNBC is considered heavily left, they say "we're sorry, don't hate us, we'll try and make it better!"

Everyone can agree that Fox News is the Right Wing network during Prime Time and MSNBC is the same thing for the Left at night.

But O'Reilly/Hannity don't have editorial control over the rest of Fox News like I've heard that Olberman/Matthews do with MSNBC as of late.

I'll flip on all three cable news networks during the day and Fox really isn't as crazy as many people act like it is (I never see Fox and Friends since it ends at 6am out here I'm talking 9am-8pm eastern) and maybe MSNBC was going a little too far to the left during the day for a lot of people.

CousinDave
09-08-2008, 03:10 AM
Everyone can agree that Fox News is the Right Wing network during Prime Time and MSNBC is the same thing for the Left at night.

But O'Reilly/Hannity don't have editorial control over the rest of Fox News like I've heard that Olberman/Matthews do with MSNBC as of late.

I'll flip on all three cable news networks during the day and Fox really isn't as crazy as many people act like it is (I never see Fox and Friends since it ends at 6am out here I'm talking 9am-8pm eastern) and maybe MSNBC was going a little too far to the left during the day for a lot of people.

I think what most people don't understand is there is a difference between the news, and the opinion shows on these cable news channels. Fox doesn't claim Hannity is fair & balanced, only that the news on the channel is, and Hannity is not news that's an opinion show.

mikeybot
09-08-2008, 05:09 AM
Can the thread title be changed to Douchebag cunt Olberman removed from anchor chair?
I'm not right or left by any means, but him being booted from anything makes me giggle

BIV
09-08-2008, 05:12 AM
The change — which comes in the home stretch of the long election cycle — is a direct result of tensions associated with the channel’s perceived shift to the political left.
Wait, MSNBC shifting left? Isn't that like the sun shifting hot or water shifting wet?

Sinn Fein
09-08-2008, 07:51 AM
I think what most people don't understand is there is a difference between the news, and the opinion shows on these cable news channels. Fox doesn't claim Hannity is fair & balanced, only that the news on the channel is, and Hannity is not news that's an opinion show.

You are exactly right. Zona is one of them.

Razor Roman
09-08-2008, 10:05 AM
What? You mean there ARE people out there other than me that realized that Hannity, Colmes, O'Reilley and the like are commentators giving opinions?

MSNBC and NBC in general have been a joke this election cycle, and when Russert died it got even worse. I've heard Obama supporters say that Sean Hannity has "no journalistic experience" and Alec Baldwin has called him an "idiot construction worker" -- and thats fine, but he is not a NEWS man. He is a commentator. The only requirement you have to have to be a commentator on TV and the radio is to get ratings. Putting a B-grade ESPN anchor who overuses the word ASCIDUOUS in charge of the NEWS is just asenine. Doesn't Al Gore have a cable channel somewhere? Maybe they should merge with pMSNBC.

Stormrider666
09-08-2008, 05:45 PM
Everyone can agree that Fox News is the Right Wing network during Prime Time and MSNBC is the same thing for the Left at night.

But O'Reilly/Hannity don't have editorial control over the rest of Fox News like I've heard that Olberman/Matthews do with MSNBC as of late.

I'll flip on all three cable news networks during the day and Fox really isn't as crazy as many people act like it is (I never see Fox and Friends since it ends at 6am out here I'm talking 9am-8pm eastern) and maybe MSNBC was going a little too far to the left during the day for a lot of people.

See I have to disagree, I think Fox New is just as right wing during the day, as they are in primetime.

fandango86
09-08-2008, 05:49 PM
On a side note, has anyone else noticed that O&A's show prep pretty much consists of reading Wackbag now?

DocSavage
09-08-2008, 06:16 PM
FOX News is considered heavily right, they say "fuck it, we are" and they run with it. (I always assumed everyone thought the "Fair and balanced" thing was a joke.)

MSNBC is considered heavily left, they say "we're sorry, don't hate us, we'll try and make it better!"

I love it when a channel like FOX, that at the very least counters the left with conservative opinion or actually questions the prevailing leftist propaganda is called "heavily right". Overall coverage is so FAR from being balanced Fox could be a 24 hour Republican channel and still not make a dent into the liberal media estate.

Owenay
09-08-2008, 06:46 PM
Putting a B-grade ESPN anchor who overuses the word ASCIDUOUS in charge of the NEWS is just asenine.

That made me LOL :icon_lol:

LiddyRules
09-08-2008, 06:53 PM
On a side note, has anyone else noticed that O&A's show prep pretty much consists of reading Wackbag now? That's the price of awesomeness.

thekidslepthere
09-08-2008, 07:13 PM
See I have to disagree, I think Fox New is just as right wing during the day, as they are in primetime.

I saw that Megan Kelly interview last week where she interviewed the guy from US Weekly, that O&A played, and would you consider that conservative journalism or just asking some hard hitting questions?

I thought it was nice seeing that guy getting called out on his crappy magazines reporting, but maybe that's right wing for some people.

Stormrider666
09-08-2008, 07:18 PM
I saw that Megan Kelly interview last week where she interviewed the guy from US Weekly, that O&A played, and would you consider that conservative journalism or just asking some hard hitting questions?

I thought it was nice seeing that guy getting called out on his crappy magazines reporting, but maybe that's right wing for some people.

I'm sure there were hard hitting questions but I have seen instances where FOX's daytime personalities are just as right wing as those at night. Trust me, I don't have a problem with it. Just like I don't have a problem with MSNBC's left wing personalities as well. I take anything I hear on either network with a grain of salt.

Vyce
09-08-2008, 07:19 PM
FOX News is considered heavily right, they say "fuck it, we are" and they run with it. (I always assumed everyone thought the "Fair and balanced" thing was a joke.)

MSNBC is considered heavily left, they say "we're sorry, don't hate us, we'll try and make it better!"

There's degrees of bias, and I think most people here know this.

Fox may lean right, but they will, at least, allow the opposing viewpoint on their programs. You can't say the same about Olbermann.

In terms of network bias, Fox skews right, CNN skews left, and MSNBC skews towards the nutroots. And that's not a good thing. One's news department shouldn't just be talking points from the DNC or whatever idiotic rambling someone on DailyKos happened to post that morning.

wes mantooth
09-08-2008, 07:30 PM
On a side note, has anyone else noticed that O&A's show prep pretty much consists of reading Wackbag now?


As well they should. It's a great source of material.



I'm glad MSNBC is making this change but they're still full of douche.

DanaReevesLungs
09-08-2008, 07:35 PM
I don't watch FOX, CNN or MSNBC for several reasons. I'm not looking for a "news" channel to tell me how they perceive a story. Just tell me the story and not throw in your bias opinion. Hell, I don't even watch local news anymore because of the bullshit scare tactics they use. I only watch the last 5 to 10 minutes of local news mainly for weather, if at all.

jackjack
09-08-2008, 07:37 PM
On a side note, has anyone else noticed that O&A's show prep pretty much consists of reading Wackbag now?

Well, I expect they will give some time to the ichiban each day, and whatever that happens to be probably has a thread about it here.

alclark
09-08-2008, 07:58 PM
As "boring" as they are, PBS and C-SPAN are the only places to watch political events and things of that ilk, minus the call-in shows on C-SPAN of course, those are just entertainment. No flashy graphics on the screen except for event, name, and party affiliation.

Zona992006
09-08-2008, 08:53 PM
FOX News is considered heavily right, they say "fuck it, we are" and they run with it. (I always assumed everyone thought the "Fair and balanced" thing was a joke.)

MSNBC is considered heavily left, they say "we're sorry, don't hate us, we'll try and make it better!"

:clap:

Zona992006
09-08-2008, 08:56 PM
Everyone can agree that Fox News is the Right Wing network during Prime Time and MSNBC is the same thing for the Left at night.

But O'Reilly/Hannity don't have editorial control over the rest of Fox News like I've heard that Olberman/Matthews do with MSNBC as of late.
I'll flip on all three cable news networks during the day and Fox really isn't as crazy as many people act like it is (I never see Fox and Friends since it ends at 6am out here I'm talking 9am-8pm eastern) and maybe MSNBC was going a little too far to the left during the day for a lot of people.

That you've heard of? You heard this? Oh ...OK...Links please...

Zona992006
09-08-2008, 08:58 PM
You are exactly right. Zona is one of them.

See I have to disagree, I think Fox New is just as right wing during the day, as they are in primetime.

:clap:

thekidslepthere
09-08-2008, 09:42 PM
That you've heard of? You heard this? Oh ...OK...Links please...

Dude, get it through your head, I'm not making shit up, maybe a lot of people are but if I post something, try googling at least a bit of it so you don't keep making yourself look silly. :action-sm

http://gawker.com/343871/olbermann-runs-msnbc-infuriates-chris-matthews

"Keith runs MSNBC," an unnamed senior MSNBC executive tells Men's Journal.

This was from the February issue of Men's Journal which I think had a big interview with Keith Olbermann. I'll admit I might of been off on Matthews, but this was all over the news nine months ago.

SaltyDelights
09-08-2008, 09:50 PM
As "boring" as they are, PBS and C-SPAN are the only places to watch political events and things of that ilk, minus the call-in shows on C-SPAN of course, those are just entertainment. No flashy graphics on the screen except for event, name, and party affiliation.Right on! I guess the goal of news networks is to make everything interesting. So they blast you with loudmouth guests and Matrix-like graphics. I tuned in to Newshour with Jim Lehrer the other day and was amazed by how concise and comprehensive the coverage was. No fancy graphics; No beligerant guests; and best of all: No commercials. If not for the fact that it was so informative, it would be downright boring. It is amazing how well a topic can be covered when there is no rush to go to sponsors after five minutes.



As for MSNBC... I haven't watched since Imus was on. So I'm not going to claim to know how lame Queef Olbercunt's show is, but I will take everyone's word for it.

Begbie
09-08-2008, 09:57 PM
Dude, get it through your head, I'm not making shit up, maybe a lot of people are but if I post something, try googling at least a bit of it so you don't keep making yourself look silly. :action-sm

http://gawker.com/343871/olbermann-runs-msnbc-infuriates-chris-matthews



This was from the February issue of Men's Journal which I think had a big interview with Keith Olbermann. I'll admit I might of been off on Matthews, but this was all over the news nine months ago.


Oooooo! And he comes through with a link! Nice work!

Damn Zona...you gunna take that?

CousinDave
09-08-2008, 11:10 PM
I'm sure there were hard hitting questions but I have seen instances where FOX's daytime personalities are just as right wing as those at night. Trust me, I don't have a problem with it. Just like I don't have a problem with MSNBC's left wing personalities as well. I take anything I hear on either network with a grain of salt.


So you're watching Fox News during the day?

From 6:00 AM to 3:00 PM you should not be watching any TV other than Direct TV 879

CousinDave
09-08-2008, 11:14 PM
Right on! I guess the goal of news networks is to make everything interesting. So they blast you with loudmouth guests and Matrix-like graphics. I tuned in to Newshour with Jim Lehrer the other day and was amazed by how concise and comprehensive the coverage was. No fancy graphics; No beligerant guests; and best of all: No commercials. If not for the fact that it was so informative, it would be downright boring. It is amazing how well a topic can be covered when there is no rush to go to sponsors after five minutes.



As for MSNBC... I haven't watched since Imus was on. So I'm not going to claim to know how lame Queef Olbercunt's show is, but I will take everyone's word for it.


If there is a camera and or a microphone its entertainment.

thekidslepthere
09-09-2008, 12:52 AM
Oooooo! And he comes through with a link! Nice work!

Damn Zona...you gunna take that?

Three hours later and still no response, he must be thinking of a real zinger.

;)

mendozathejew
09-09-2008, 12:57 AM
FOX News is considered heavily right, they say "fuck it, we are" and they run with it. (I always assumed everyone thought the "Fair and balanced" thing was a joke.)

MSNBC is considered heavily left, they say "we're sorry, don't hate us, we'll try and make it better!"

the difference is that Hannity and Oreilly dont anchor coverage. msnbc is still a distant 3rd but theyve had a nice ratings jump in recent years. it was an unnecessary move to put two supporters of one specific candidate in an anchoring role.

the people at nbc, probably brokaw and a whole list of others, finally got there way.

oandapartycock
09-09-2008, 01:04 AM
I don't mind Matthews so much. But Olberman? He wasn't even a good "anchor" on Sportscenter.

BIV
09-09-2008, 06:47 AM
I don't watch FOX, CNN or MSNBC for several reasons. I'm not looking for a "news" channel to tell me how they perceive a story. Just tell me the story and not throw in your bias opinion. Hell, I don't even watch local news anymore because of the bullshit scare tactics they use. I only watch the last 5 to 10 minutes of local news mainly for weather, if at all.

I like the pretty pictures.

Jimmy's Dignity
09-16-2008, 02:50 PM
http://cagle.msnbc.com/working/080913/benson.gif

CousinDave
09-16-2008, 03:23 PM
I've watched Hardball since the early 90's, and am well aware of Chris Mathews personal political views, and despite his obvious bias I felt he always hosted a very good show, and went after both sides equally - that was what made the show entertaining.

After last night I can no longer say that.

I don't mind biased shows, and I'm probably more likely to watch one on the left than on the right, so long as I find them informative and entertaining. I don't find Olbermann to be either. I'll probably still watch Hardball, but if its going to be Hardball on the right and Softball on the left, I'll probably stop watching. I've always enjoyed watching Mathews sandbag these self important douches like the Obama supporter during the primary who Mathews asked to name an Obama accomplishment, and the guy could not. That's what people want to see on Hardball, and if he's going to stop doing that, and just let Obama supporters make campaign statements, while attacking McCain supporters, well I think I'd rather watch Glen Beck or Lou Dobbs then.