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DonTheTrucker
09-08-2008, 11:29 PM
Typical. High fuel taxes and the media that has pushed hybrids so much that no one wants a diesel, have killed any chance of this car happening here. Pair that with the high labor costs in Britain, and this nice little car would cost more than a Prius.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_37/b4099060491065.htm?chan=rss_topStories_ssi_5


by David Kiley
If ever there was a car made for the times, this would seem to be it: a sporty subcompact that seats five, offers a navigation system, and gets a whopping 65 miles to the gallon. Oh yes, and the car is made by Ford Motor (F), known widely for lumbering gas hogs.

Ford's 2009 Fiesta ECOnetic goes on sale in November. But here's the catch: Despite the car's potential to transform Ford's image and help it compete with Toyota Motor (TM) and Honda Motor (HMC) in its home market, the company will sell the little fuel sipper only in Europe. "We know it's an awesome vehicle," says Ford America President Mark Fields. "But there are business reasons why we can't sell it in the U.S." The main one: The Fiesta ECOnetic runs on diesel.

Automakers such as Volkswagen (VLKAY) and Mercedes-Benz (DAI) have predicted for years that a technology called "clean diesel" would overcome many Americans' antipathy to a fuel still often thought of as the smelly stuff that powers tractor trailers. Diesel vehicles now hitting the market with pollution-fighting technology are as clean or cleaner than gasoline and at least 30% more fuel-efficient.

Yet while half of all cars sold in Europe last year ran on diesel, the U.S. market remains relatively unfriendly to the fuel. Taxes aimed at commercial trucks mean diesel costs anywhere from 40 cents to $1 more per gallon than gasoline. Add to this the success of the Toyota Prius, and you can see why only 3% of cars in the U.S. use diesel. "Americans see hybrids as the darling," says Global Insight auto analyst Philip Gott, "and diesel as old-tech."

None of this is stopping European and Japanese automakers, which are betting they can jump-start the U.S. market with new diesel models. Mercedes-Benz by next year will have three cars it markets as "BlueTec." Even Nissan (NSANY) and Honda, which long opposed building diesel cars in Europe, plan to introduce them in the U.S. in 2010. But Ford, whose Fiesta ECOnetic compares favorably with European diesels, can't make a business case for bringing the car to the U.S.
TOO PRICEY TO IMPORT

First of all, the engines are built in Britain, so labor costs are high. Plus the pound remains stronger than the greenback. At prevailing exchange rates, the Fiesta ECOnetic would sell for about $25,700 in the U.S. By contrast, the Prius typically goes for about $24,000. A $1,300 tax deduction available to buyers of new diesel cars could bring the price of the Fiesta to around $24,400. But Ford doesn't believe it could charge enough to make money on an imported ECOnetic.

Ford plans to make a gas-powered version of the Fiesta in Mexico for the U.S. So why not manufacture diesel engines there, too? Building a plant would cost at least $350 million at a time when Ford has been burning through more than $1 billion a month in cash reserves. Besides, the automaker would have to produce at least 350,000 engines a year to make such a venture profitable. "We just don't think North and South America would buy that many diesel cars," says Fields.

The question, of course, is whether the U.S. ever will embrace diesel fuel and allow automakers to achieve sufficient scale to make money on such vehicles. California certified VW and Mercedes diesel cars earlier this year, after a four-year ban. James N. Hall, of auto researcher 293 Analysts, says that bellwether state and the Northeast remain "hostile to diesel." But the risk to Ford is that the fuel takes off, and the carmaker finds itself playing catch-up—despite having a serious diesel contender in its arsenal.

When will people wake up?

jackjack
09-08-2008, 11:52 PM
I love diesel cars. Had three rabbits in the 80s, and a Ford pickup with the 7.3 international in the 90s. My father still has one of the last Chevy Luv trucks on the road (1981) with the Isuzu engine. I miss driving a diesel vehicle.

CousinDave
09-09-2008, 12:03 AM
I love diesel cars. Had three rabbits in the 80s, and a Ford pickup with the 7.3 international in the 90s. My father still has one of the last Chevy Luv trucks on the road (1981) with the Isuzu engine. I miss driving a diesel vehicle.


My brother's first car was a diesel VW Quantum, could go almost 700 miles on 1 tank of fuel. It was basically a less fancy Audio 4000 or 5000.

But if Ford really wanted to, they could refit one of their existing factories to produce this diesel engine, or contract Cummings or Detroit Diesel to make it for them.

For the first time in my driving life, Ford and GM both are building cars just as good or better than what Toyota, Nissan, and Honda are building, but they'll probably not take advantage of this situation and let the Japanese companies build the cars we Americans want.

Larz
09-09-2008, 12:09 AM
Typical. High fuel taxes and the media that has pushed hybrids so much that no one wants a diesel, have killed any chance of this car happening here.

Fuel taxes are precisely what pushed other countries to adopt diesel for passenger vehicles. If you travel through Europe you'll see that a high percentage of cars have diesel engines... always been that way.

I think you're reaching as far as the media being the cause of diesel not being adopted here. The problem is that the engines sound kind of clunky and can be bitchy in the winter... they just aren't a good fit for the American market with the exception of light trucks.

DonTheTrucker
09-09-2008, 12:11 AM
For the first time in my driving life, Ford and GM both are building cars just as good or better than what Toyota, Nissan, and Honda are building

Ford, yes. GM not so much. I think Cadillac is the only GM brand with good reliability ratings. Ford and Mercury both are in the top 10 now if my memory serves me right. Hell even the Koreans are making good cars now. The European brands are the only ones with shitty reliability ratings now. Stupid Germans and Swedes....who would have ever thought that a kia would be more reliable than an audi? I mean besides anyone who's ever owned an audi.....

DonTheTrucker
09-09-2008, 12:16 AM
I think you're reaching as far as the media being the cause of diesel not being adopted here. The problem is that the engines sound kind of clunky and can be bitchy in the winter... they just aren't a good fit for the American market with the exception of light trucks.

Have you seen a modern diesel Mercedes or VW? They're hardly clunky sounding.

Americans have a hard on for technology so hybrids fit that want. Not to mention that the Prius is now a status symbol despite not even being the most efficient hybrid anymore (that would be the Civic) and you have the reasons why Americans love their hybrids despite having better options.

jackjack
09-09-2008, 12:23 AM
I think the real problem with diesel cars here is people have no concept of how they differ from gasoline powered cars, and got into trouble treating them the same way over the years.

Larz
09-09-2008, 12:38 AM
Have you seen a modern diesel Mercedes or VW? They're hardly clunky sounding.

Americans have a hard on for technology so hybrids fit that want. Not to mention that the Prius is now a status symbol despite not even being the most efficient hybrid anymore (that would be the Civic) and you have the reasons why Americans love their hybrids despite having better options.

engine noise, emissions, cold weather performance... these have always been the primary reasons why diesel was never adopted here for passenger cars. I'm talking about the US car market historically. It has nothing to do with hybrids or geek-chic. Same as the oil crises of the 70's... VW made a blip with diesel cars and then as soon as gas prices normalized people stopped buying them.

Diesel works and its renewable in a way... for whatever reason though Americans historically won't buy diesel cars. Theres also the new "flex" engines that can run on a mix of gas-ethanol. Fuck it I say just confiscate all citgo stations and hand them over to the Brazilians. let them sell us ethanol.

bethm1b
09-09-2008, 07:48 PM
I already have one.