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moegolden
09-10-2008, 11:57 PM
Alright, even the conservatives gotta admit, this is kind of funny.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Palins_source.html?showall


September 10, 2008
Categories: Sarah Palin
Palin's source

Thomas Frank noticed in the Journal today that Sarah Palin used an odd source for a quote in her announcement speech attributed only to a "writer."

"We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty and sincerity and dignity," she said, drawing from a once-powerful, now forgotten mid-century conservative columnist named Westbrook Pegler.

It's an odd source because Pegler, who moved further right as his career went on, ended up very, very far out. Frank notes that he talked hopefully of the assassination of Franklin Roosevelt.

He was also known for what Philip Roth described as his "casual distaste for Jews," which had become so evident by the end that he was bounced from the journal of the John Birch Society in 1964 for alleged anti-semitism. According to his obituary, he'd advanced the theory that American Jews of Eastern European descent were "instinctively sympathetic to Communism, however outwardly respectable they appeared."

It's unlikely that Palin wrote the speech or dug up the quote, though it's possible. The line does come from a strand of conservative populism that isn't particularly native to McCain or his usual rhetoric: The only other source for that Pegler easily available online is a 1990 book by Patrick Buchanan.

In any case, it won't calm Ed Koch any.

(h/t TPM)

http://gawker.com/5048188/palin-quoted-antisemitic-author-in-rnc-speech

Sarah Palin scares the Jews! From her crazy Jew-converting church to emails your grandmother is receiving right now, it's clear that America's Jews are nervous about this woman. Just ask Ed Koch! This won't help: remember Palin's address to the Republican National Convention? That bit of speechcraft so inspiring that it is already being taught in schools alongside Dr. King's Dream Speech and Billy Crystal's second Oscars monologue? It turns out one of its few memorable non-Obama-attacking lines was lifted from an old anti-Semite so extreme that he was booted from the John Birch Society.

Digital_Trauma
09-11-2008, 12:13 AM
even moegolden has to admit that it's much easier in politics to play to the middle, and therefore be the first to tell either side, "I told ya so." This could be the part of the doctrine of the Ron Bennington Society, right after, "Corporations are always bad, always trying to step on the little guy."

Sinn Fein
09-11-2008, 12:13 AM
That's ok, just pretend Palin is Obama and this guy isn't just an author who was quoted, but a personal associate for over 20 years. In that case, it means nothing and bringing it up is a baseless attack by the other side. :icon_roll

EarthCrisis
09-11-2008, 12:16 AM
"Oh but Obama left that church and it shouldn't be brought up anymore MAAAAAAAAAAAAAN"

abudabit
09-11-2008, 12:26 AM
I own a car made by a famous anti-semite.

DonTheTrucker
09-11-2008, 12:29 AM
Henry Ford and Walt Disney hated Jews more than this guy.

Did this author happen to bomb the pentagon by chance?

Until obama's people find something worse in Palins past they need to keep their filthy sewers shut.

abudabit
09-11-2008, 12:30 AM
Did this author happen to bomb the pentagon by chance?

:clap::clap::clap:

Dems really need to stick to the issues or they are going to get killed.

MrBogey
09-11-2008, 12:30 AM
I own a car made by a famous anti-semite.

Volkswagon?

DonTheTrucker
09-11-2008, 12:38 AM
:clap::clap::clap:

Dems really need to stick to the issues or they are going to get killed.

The problem is that most of America wants nothing to do with their solutions for our problems. And McCain has stood against Bush enough that the average person knows that he's not the lapdog the left is painting him to be. Hell, he almost joined the democrat party a few years ago!

Every personal attack they throw at a war hero and a little woman makes their defeat that much more inevitable.

DanaReevesLungs
09-11-2008, 01:22 AM
Until obama's people find something worse in Palins past they need to keep their filthy sewers shut.

So anyone with an opinion opposite of yours that doesn't discredit the candidate you're for enough doesn't have a worthy enough of an opinion or statement and thus shouldn't be allowed to speak freely, which is a given right in this nation, because you said so? Mighty communistic of you there. I thought you were against communism? I guess only when it's beneficial to you.

Sinn Fein
09-11-2008, 01:31 AM
Settle down. I think Don was implying they should STFU for their own good because everything being said as of late is blowing up in their faces. Holy fuck.

DanaReevesLungs
09-11-2008, 01:45 AM
But that's a matter of opinion on what's blowing up in their faces and what isn't. Obviously, the right will discredit everything the left throws at them and vice versa. Some people see Obama's "former" pastor as a big deal, some don't. Some see Palin's pregnant daughter as a big deal, some don't. So to shut someone up because you don't see it as a credible enough issue is purely opinion.

I think both campaigns are hypocrites and undeserving of the White House. And everything thus far that has been thrown out there to smear the other is minuscule in the grander scheme. There's been plenty of non-stories going around. It's all a matter of perception and bias.

Sinn Fein
09-11-2008, 01:52 AM
Regardless, he wasn't impuning their right to free speech but rather criticizing how stupid most of what they have been saying lately. Last time I checked, the right to levy criticism wasn't limited to people who possess Democratic voter registration.

moegolden
09-11-2008, 01:59 AM
i just thought that it is a funny thing that of all the nice quotes about people from small towns, that was the one they chose. not in an ironic "i told you so" sense , just funny.

DanaReevesLungs
09-11-2008, 02:00 AM
Fair enough.

But again, I'll state that it's still a matter of opinion what's considered stupid or not that's being criticized. I just found it rather hypocritical to want to shut up others regardless of how redundant the info they're posting is.

The thread topic at hand is another WGAS article and someone wasted time even researching that. That's my opinion, which appears to be shared by Don, yourself and I.

DonTheTrucker
09-11-2008, 02:17 AM
I'm saying that no one who has lifelong affiliation with racists and terrorists has no moral high ground over anyone. They nhave the right to say anything they want but it should be framed in the context of who is saying it and who they've chosen to associate with.

Obama is the most corrupt politician we'll ever see. He makes the Clintons look like honest Abe Lincoln.

MrBogey
09-11-2008, 02:42 AM
I'm waiting till they start arguing that Trig is perfectly healthy and the Palin is lying to get support.

DonTheTrucker
09-11-2008, 02:49 AM
The thread topic at hand is another WGAS article and someone wasted time even researching that. That's my opinion, which appears to be shared by Don, yourself and I.

You're right about that. The only real story is the desperation of a campaign that is photoshopping a governor's head onto a picture of a girl in a bikini holding a BB gun.

BIV
09-11-2008, 07:14 AM
You're right about that. The only real story is the desperation of a campaign that is photoshopping a governor's head onto a picture of a girl in a bikini holding a BB gun.
Gotta admit though, nice funbags.

ih8Uboo-boo
09-11-2008, 10:53 AM
With baggage like Wright, Reszko, and Ayers, you would think that the Dems would try to keep their own questionable assocications out of play.

DonTheTrucker
09-11-2008, 08:35 PM
With baggage like Wright, Reszko, and Ayers, you would think that the Dems would try to keep their own questionable assocications out of play.

Considering that 90% of the media is on their side, they think they can get away with it. I think they may be wrong.