Turntables

[CousinDave]

Originally Posted by THE FEZ MAN

oh.... and i have an 8 track player...... and a beta max....... lol....

and 8-Track was superior to cassettes and Beta was superior to VHS (but Sony F'ed up there and let JVC win that format war)

[CousinDave]

Bands like AC/DC, Def Leppard, Motley Crue, keep their entire catalog available on vinyl.

There is also a company called Black to Black that is re-releasing a lot of music on vinyl, reproducing the original artwork as accurately as possible and everything, and they also give you a code to download a digital copy of any album you buy from them. You can get their albums at Amazon.com

http://www.backtoblackvinyl.com

[THE FEZ MAN]

cd's completely ruined album art.... that and with out double albums you had to find a new way to clean the seeds from your weed

[Absolutely]

So I went to a home stereo store that I thought might have what I wanted, but they only sold Denon. And their floor model that they were pushing was almost $700, which I told him was crazy.

I ended up at a place called Record Exchange, and bought a Pioneer PL-518. It was the turntable that the owner was using to listen to records with at the store. Came with everything I need (I think)

I checked out the basement, and the Tuner does have the Phono function, so I assume I don't need a Pre-Amp or anything.

The Tuner is a "Technics SA-160", and the speakers that I found are "Advent Baby II" speakers.

So it looks something like this... I don't know if the Tuner or the Speakers are shit or not but they all should work. I just have to hook it all up.

Turntable:


Tuner:


Speakers:

[Dopie Opie]

I sold electronics from 1987-1993 thanks for the trip down memory lane...The turntable used to sell for about $179 plus the cartridge.

The reciever (not a tuner) used to run about $219
The baby Advents ran $198.

A quick reference there are three components that make up a reciever

1. Tuner - gets radio signal
2. Amplifier - gets power
3. Pre amp - processes signal from source

put them all together and you have a receiver. Seperate units gets you a cleaner sound.


Enjoy 1989....

[Absolutely]

Originally Posted by Dopie Opie

I sold electronics from 1987-1993 thanks for the trip down memory lane...The turntable used to sell for about $179 plus the cartridge.

The reciever (not a tuner) used to run about $219
The baby Advents ran $198.

A quick reference there are three components that make up a reciever

1. Tuner - gets radio signal
2. Amplifier - gets power
3. Pre amp - processes signal from source

put them all together and you have a receiver. Seperate units gets you a cleaner sound.


Enjoy 1989....

Ok, RECEIVER... Makes sense.
Well It took me about 10 minutes to figure out to flip a switch from "Remote Speakers [to] Main Speakers", but once I did it's up and running.

Crackle and Popping Elvis "Almost In Love" at the moment.
1989 huh? I'll have to see if I can find some Zubaz pants to wear while I sit around.

[BCH]

While flawless vinyl played on an expensive turntable tracking at like 1/8 to 1/4 gram with a $300 cartridge can sound superior to a CD of the same material, provided you have speakers and an amplifier capable of allowing you to hear the difference. Old scratchy used records played on a not so good turntable tracking at a gram and a half wih a cheap cartridge playing through a not so good amp with mediocre speakers will not give quite ths same effect. I only recommend plan B to people with particularly large collections of vinyl and old stuff from the cut out list especially. If a digital copy exists, it's usually better to go that way.

[Absolutely]

Originally Posted by BCH

While flawless vinyl played on an expensive turntable tracking at like 1/8 to 1/4 gram with a $300 cartridge can sound superior to a CD of the same material, provided you have speakers and an amplifier capable of allowing you to hear the difference. Old scratchy used records played on a not so good turntable tracking at a gram and a half wih a cheap cartridge playing through a not so good amp with mediocre speakers will not give quite ths same effect. I only recommend plan B to people with particularly large collections of vinyl and old stuff from the cut out list especially. If a digital copy exists, it's usually better to go that way.

Fill me in on what you mean by tracking at....

[Hog's Big Ben]

Originally Posted by DonTheTrucker

What the hell does this "warmer" sound shit mean, anyway? The only difference I can hear in a set of headphones is a lot less range and crackles/pops.

x1,000,000

Originally Posted by CousinDave

It basically means a natural sound, a turn table plays the entire sound, while digital music samples the sound.

Remember in high school physics when you did the chapter on sound waves (I don't either, but I watched a lot of TV)

An analog sound wave from a turntable looks like the top diagram, while a digital sound wave looks like the bottom diagram



You actually lose a lot of the music when its from a digital source.

Horseshit. Record your shitty vinyl onto CD and it sounds exactly like the shitty vinyl. The "warmth" comes from the fact that most people in ye oldern days played their shitty vinyl through amps & speakers that colored the sound.

CDs are far far far far more accurate. They have a much wider dynamic range. Vinyl had to be mastered to squash the loudness because too much of a spike in volume would cause a properly balanced tonearm to mistrack. You get 44,100 variations of amplitude every second with CDs. At the scale of your graph, one second of audio would be over 350 feet wide. The stairstepping effect is not as exaggerated as the graph makes it seem. Vinyl spins at the same rate regardless if you're playing the first song or last, but a second's thought will tell you the inner songs can't possibly sound as good as the outer ones because the circumference gradually shrinks, therefore less groovage (more than 50% less from start to finish) for the stylus to track through. If these audiophile wannabes had any credibility, they'd demand that every song be on its own platter on the outside edge.

If you want vinyl "warmth" from your CDs, play them through the same amps and big ass speakers that everyone had in the 70s & 80s. That's the actual "vinyl sound".

Originally Posted by Absolutely

Fill me in on what you mean by tracking at....

It's like torque. You don't want the needle dragging through the grooves - it should sort of float. There's a counterweight at the far end of the tonearm that lets you set the balance. It's measured in grams of imbalance toward the stylus side.

[stevethrower]

Radio Shack still sells preamps...

http://www.radioshack.com/search/ind...pre%20amp&sr=1

And dur make sure it is grounded otherwise you get wicked hum... I ripped a bunch of my Dad's 78's with it...

[Absolutely]

Originally Posted by stevethrower

Radio Shack still sells preamps...

http://www.radioshack.com/search/ind...pre%20amp&sr=1

And dur make sure it is grounded otherwise you get wicked hum... I ripped a bunch of my Dad's 78's with it...

I don't need a Preamp, what with the Phono and all.
And yeah, the guy made sure to tell me to ground it, which I did.

[THE FEZ MAN]

to simplify what BCH was saying.... put a penny on the tone arm.....

[Absolutely]

Originally Posted by THE FEZ MAN

to simplify what BCH was saying.... put a penny on the tone arm.....

What should I do with the Anti-Skate?
It's 4,3,2,1,0
It was on 4 when I bought it.

[Chino Kapone]

Originally Posted by Hog's Big Ben

x1,000,000



Horseshit. Record your shitty vinyl onto CD and it sounds exactly like the shitty vinyl. The "warmth" comes from the fact that most people in ye oldern days played their shitty vinyl through amps & speakers that colored the sound.

CDs are far far far far more accurate. They have a much wider dynamic range. Vinyl had to be mastered to squash the loudness because too much of a spike in volume would cause a properly balanced tonearm to mistrack. You get 44,100 variations of amplitude every second with CDs. At the scale of your graph, one second of audio would be over 350 feet wide. The stairstepping effect is not as exaggerated as the graph makes it seem. Vinyl spins at the same rate regardless if you're playing the first song or last, but a second's thought will tell you the inner songs can't possibly sound as good as the outer ones because the circumference gradually shrinks, therefore less groovage (more than 50% less from start to finish) for the stylus to track through. If these audiophile wannabes had any credibility, they'd demand that every song be on its own platter on the outside edge.

If you want vinyl "warmth" from your CDs, play them through the same amps and big ass speakers that everyone had in the 70s & 80s. That's the actual "vinyl sound".



It's like torque. You don't want the needle dragging through the grooves - it should sort of float. There's a counterweight at the far end of the tonearm that lets you set the balance. It's measured in grams of imbalance toward the stylus side.

Wow. I learned something.

[CousinDave]

Originally Posted by Hog's Big Ben

Horseshit. Record your shitty vinyl onto CD and it sounds exactly like the shitty vinyl. The "warmth" comes from the fact that most people in ye oldern days played their shitty vinyl through amps & speakers that colored the sound.

CDs are far far far far more accurate. They have a much wider dynamic range. Vinyl had to be mastered to squash the loudness because too much of a spike in volume would cause a properly balanced tonearm to mistrack. You get 44,100 variations of amplitude every second with CDs. At the scale of your graph, one second of audio would be over 350 feet wide. The stairstepping effect is not as exaggerated as the graph makes it seem. Vinyl spins at the same rate regardless if you're playing the first song or last, but a second's thought will tell you the inner songs can't possibly sound as good as the outer ones because the circumference gradually shrinks, therefore less groovage (more than 50% less from start to finish) for the stylus to track through. If these audiophile wannabes had any credibility, they'd demand that every song be on its own platter on the outside edge.

I was just trying to show the difference between analog audio & digital audio - digital samples the source material, and that's what the sampling rate tells you

You're right about how much the pre amp/amp or receiver and speakers make a big difference. Get an amp with tubes and some old Tannoy speakers.

Regardless few people can tell the difference. Most people can't even distinguish HDTV from SDTV with the possible exception of watching something like a football game.

[Hog's Big Ben]

Originally Posted by Absolutely

What should I do with the Anti-Skate?
It's 4,3,2,1,0
It was on 4 when I bought it.

Anti-skate offsets the tendency of the needle to be pushed towards the center as the record spins. Find blank (grooveless) vinyl and adjust the anti-skate dial until the tonearm doesn't glide inward or outward when playing. The setting depends on the weight of your cartridge.

[BIV]

I have turntables. Two of them. And a microphone.


They are not turntables, they are record players. Turntables are for those hip hop faggots that think they are musicians.