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Pigdango

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I'll be very curious to see what the Mets do. Depending on how you look at things, they've already cleared 30 - 60 million dollars in payroll from their 2011 number. Their estimated payroll for next year (without Reyes) is $80 million. One payroll estimate for this year was 115 million the other one was 140 million. I imagine the 140 million number includes deferred payments. They are planning to be between 100 - 110 million, so there's room for them to do anything, including taking a run at El Hombre.

What do you suppose are the chances Francona ends up with the Cubs?
 

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Indians Traded for Derek Lowe

Aramis Ramirez voids the Cubs option and passes up 16 million in 2012.
 

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I'll be very curious to see what the Mets do. Depending on how you look at things, they've already cleared 30 - 60 million dollars in payroll from their 2011 number. Their estimated payroll for next year (without Reyes) is $80 million. One payroll estimate for this year was 115 million the other one was 140 million. I imagine the 140 million number includes deferred payments. They are planning to be between 100 - 110 million, so there's room for them to do anything, including taking a run at El Hombre.

What do you suppose are the chances Francona ends up with the Cubs?
I dont think Francona will wind up with the Cubs. They would have to pay him 4 or 5 million. The team isnt going to be that good this year. So doesnt make sense to hire a big time manager.


I have seen the mets down for 70 million for next season. But they have 5 guys eligible for arb. So could see that number being in the mid 80's
 

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Aramis Ramirez is retarded.
 
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I'd love Tito to manage the Cards, but I have the sneaking suspicion they're going to hire Jim Riggleman and I'm going to be REAL pissed.

Internally there's Jose Oquendo, who Cards fans have been screaming for for years. But I don't want him.
There's Mark McGwire, no chance...
Nobody else in the organization really.

Maybe other long time coaches that have Cardinal connections like Terry Pendleton?

It makes too much sense for Francona, so that probably won't happen either.
 

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I'd love Tito to manage the Cards, but I have the sneaking suspicion they're going to hire Jim Riggleman and I'm going to be REAL pissed.

Internally there's Jose Oquendo, who Cards fans have been screaming for for years. But I don't want him.
There's Mark McGwire, no chance...
Nobody else in the organization really.

Maybe other long time coaches that have Cardinal connections like Terry Pendleton?

It makes too much sense for Francona, so that probably won't happen either.

I wonder where Dave Duncan will go. If he will manage a team. Or go to another organization as the pitching coach
 

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Reds Exercise Brand Phillips Option and decline Cordero's option

Rangers exercise option on Colby Lewis.
 
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I don't think Duncan has any interest in managing, but I kind of assume he'll be gone as well from pitching coach.
 

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He could have gotten much more.

And BB1, I forgot to congratulate you on the Phillies WS title. Oh wait, they still don't play the games on paper, do they?
 

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He could have gotten much more.

And BB1, I forgot to congratulate you on the Phillies WS title. Oh wait, they still don't play the games on paper, do they?
I never said they were gonna win it all.

I'll never say that. I waited 28 years between titles.

Hot teams win titles and the Phils weren't a hot team going into the playoffs
but at least they made it there.
 
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And BB1, I forgot to congratulate you on the Phillies WS title. Oh wait, they still don't play the games on paper, do they?
Not BB1's fault the Phillies ran into this:


I know it's an old and tired argument, but is a pitcher really worth nearly $25M a season? I'd say no, but whatevs...
I mean on average, he's like 5 wins above replacement. Then again, the Yankees can pay him whatever they want, so it doesn't really matter.
 

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What they ran into was a hot team that hits well.

Something they seem to be lacking in the last few years.

Pitching is great but if you can't score, you lose.

My only complaint with Charlie Manuel, he loves the long ball.

He doesn't do enough to improve the small ball, situational hitting
and that's fucked them so many times.

The Cards had that and used it very well.
 

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derek lowe to the indians.

i took this from another board: in 2011, there were 10 starters with a groundball rate over 54%. the indians now have three of them. and jimenez was 47%. they'd better find some damn good infield defense.
 

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Ballbuster1

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I know it's an old and tired argument, but is a pitcher really worth nearly $25M a season? I'd say no, but whatevs...
Depends on what he gives you, just like any other player.
Some might be worth it but most aren't.
Free agency overprices many players. ( See Jason Werth )

Phils have already declined the options on Oswalt and Lidge.
Oswalt was due 16 mil and Lidge 12.5.

They may resign Lidge at a lower price but I'm not so sure Oswalt would do that.
 

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john lackey has made 33 million and change pitching for the red sox and bbref has him as a .6 war over those two years. so he's worth half a win over a replacement player.

maybe theo leaving isn't the worst thing...
 

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I never said they were gonna win it all.

I'll never say that. I waited 28 years between titles.

Hot teams win titles and the Phils weren't a hot team going into the playoffs
but at least they made it there.
Exactly. I rather have the team I root for actually make the playoffs and lose in the first round instead of shitting the bed all season.

What they ran into was a hot team that hits well.

Something they seem to be lacking in the last few years.

Pitching is great but if you can't score, you lose.

My only complaint with Charlie Manuel, he loves the long ball.

He doesn't do enough to improve the small ball, situational hitting
and that's fucked them so many times.

The Cards had that and used it very well.
Hopefully the Yankees and the Phillies were watching the World Series so they can see what clutch hitting looks like.

But I think what the 2011 playoffs show you is that they really are a crap shoot and anything happen can happen in a 5 game series. It definitely doesn't devalue what a team in the regular season and I think we need to return to the days when regular season actually meant some thing.

It also makes you realize how great the 1996-2001 Yankees really were.

Oh and for some reason I would love if Terry Francona got the Cardinals job.
 

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Oh and for some reason I would love if Terry Francona got the Cardinals job.
Why?
For evil purposes? You hate Terry, think he's bad.
Or you like him, want to see him with a good organization?

I want him... And I'm getting more and more worried about the Jim Riggelman talks.