A Casino, In Queens NY?

Budyzir

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They're making it too easy for Ant. :D

Local tribe ready to roll dice on casino bid at Aqueduct
BY TRACY CONNOR
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Sunday, October 14th 2007, 4:06 AM

Slot machines such as these, at Caesars Atlantic City, could be a fixture in Queens under the current proposal.

Slot machines such as these, at Caesars Atlantic City, could be a fixture in Queens under the current proposal.

It could be goodbye cottages & hello mansions on East End

A Native American tribe is set to drop a bombshell bid to build and run the city's first casino — a $1.4 billion gaming palace at Aqueduct Racetrack, the Daily News has learned.

The last-minute proposal may be a long shot, but the Shinnecock Indians are hoping to entice the city and state with the prospect of a half-billion dollars in revenue a year.

The tribe also is dangling another sweetener: a promise to drop its fight to build a casino on its ancestral lands in Southampton, which has roiled the playground of the rich and powerful.

The Shinnecock bid, which will be submitted to the state tomorrow, aims to upend plans for a smaller video-lottery complex at the Thoroughbred race track in Ozone Park, Queens.

Three companies are expected to submit bids to run that lottery facility, a racino slated to have 4,500 video terminals.

But the Shinnecock — who are teamed with a Michigan sports mogul who operates a Detroit casino — have a far grander vision rivaling Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun in Connecticut.

The bid calls for a million-square-foot casino with 10,500 slots, 350 gaming tables and 12,000 employees. A 1,200-room hotel and other amenities would be built with community input, the tribe says.

"It would be great for the City of New York," said Fred Bess, a Shinnecock trustee. "New York is tired of watching all the gaming revenues going to Atlantic City and Connecticut."

Though casinos are illegal in New York, federally recognized Indian tribes can build gambling facilities on their reservation land.

In 2003, the Shinnecock sparked an uproar by breaking ground for a casino on an 80-acre parcel called Westwood on the east end of Long Island.

The town of Southampton and the state responded with a federal lawsuit seeking to stop the tribe. A trial ended in May, and a decision from the judge could come any day.

The Shinnecock believe they are likely to win the case — and they are also hopeful about a pending suit that lays claim to 2,800 acres of Hamptons land and demands billions from the state for seizing it.

The litigation, they believe, can be used as leverage to forge a deal on Aqueduct. Powerful opponents of a Hamptons casino theoretically would lobby for the Shinnecock to run a facility in the city instead.

But even if the political stars aligned, the Shinnecock would face another stumbling block: They must be federally recognized as a tribe to open a casino.

A federal judge's ruling recognized the Shinnecock in 2005, but the tribe is still trying to force the U.S. Department of the Interior to acknowledge it. A lawsuit was filed last year.

Bess said he is optimistic the tribe can negotiate a global settlement with the state and feds — giving it tribal recognition and making the land around the racetrack reservation property.

"I think it's a good shot and anybody who looks at it will have to give serious consideration," Bess said.

The Shinnecock have no experience running a casino but they have partnered with Gateway Casino Resorts, a venture of Michigan business mogul Marian Ilitch.

Ilitch, who co-founded Little Caesar's Pizza and owns the Detroit Tigers and the Detroit Red Wings, owns the MotorCity Casino Resort in Detroit and should be considered a serious player, an industry analyst said.

"They're kind of a small company but I think they have a lot of respect," said Roger Gros, publisher of Global Gaming Business magazine.

He said MotorCity has performed as well as the MGM Grand Detroit under Ilitch's control. "That has really impressed me," he said.

The Aqueduct bid estimates a full-size casino would bring in $2.1 billion annually. The city and state would share a 25% kickback from the $1.5 billion generated annually by the casino's slot machines and would receive added tax revenues.

By contrast, the video lottery racino that opened at Yonkers Raceway last October with 5,500 terminals grossed $350 million in its first year.

The Shinnecock would have nothing to do with horse racing. Gov. Spitzer has endorsed a plan for the New York Racing Association to continue operating the track.

Other players in the hunt for gambling gold

Before the Shinnecock Indians entered the fray, three private companies were vying to run the gambling operations at Aqueduct Racetrack.

Empire Racing, Excelsior and Capital Play all submitted proposals to take over horse racing at Aqueduct, Belmont and Saratoga and run the video lottery terminals at Aqueduct.

But Gov. Spitzer has recommended the New York Racing Association keep the horse-racing franchise at all three tracks — and a separate contract be awarded for the video slots.

The deadline for bids is tomorrow. It's unclear who will step forward. But here's a look at the companies that have expressed interest:

Excelsior

Backed by Las Vegas casino developer Steve Wynn, the group also includes politically connected gaming developer Richard Fields.

Empire Racing

A Saratoga-based coalition of horse-racing and gambling interests. Churchill Downs and thoroughbred breeder Marylou Whitney withdrew last week.

Capital Play

An Australian-based gaming company allied with real estate developer Stephen Ross and the Mohegan Sun.

There were reports last week that Capital Play and Empire Racing may join forces.
tconnor@nydailynews.com


 

moegolden

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Part of me sees gambling as a second taxation on the poor, but the other part says that if your neighboring town/state offers gambling, then there's no reason you shouldn't, because people are going to be spending their money somewhere.

I was reading about the MGM Grand Detroit opening and how they have five star restaurants, and I'm wondering who could really frequent that type of place in Michigan? - other than maybe auto execs.

Regardless, what I really have issue with is how Atlantic City could have no problem with one kind of gambling, but they and everyone else refuse to allow sportsbooks. That was really the last straw in Vegas surpassing AC. If it meant you couldnt bet on Jets and Giants home games in NJ, then they still should do it. You're leaving way too much money on the table.
 

moegolden

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Queens is tame compared to parts of Brooklyn.
As I understand it, places to avoid if possible include:

New Lots Ave, East New York, Brooklyn
Brownsville, Brooklyn (go figure)
Gun Hill Rd, Bronx
taking a wrong turn on Coney Island, Brooklyn
Eastern side of Bed-Stuy
parts of Canarsie
Harlem/Wash Hts. border
 

Budyzir

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..... Regardless, what I really have issue with is how Atlantic City could have no problem with one kind of gambling, but they and everyone else refuse to allow sportsbooks. That was really the last straw in Vegas surpassing AC. If it meant you couldnt bet on Jets and Giants home games in NJ, then they still should do it. You're leaving way too much money on the table.
Good point, I'm not a gambler so I don't know if there are sports books in Conn or NY casinos. If not, I doubt they would allow a sports book in NY because of the OTB agency. No doubt they have some political pull and would protect their turf.
 

Kris_LTRMa

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As I understand it, places to avoid if possible include:

New Lots Ave, East New York, Brooklyn
Brownsville, Brooklyn (go figure)
Gun Hill Rd, Bronx
taking a wrong turn on Coney Island, Brooklyn
Eastern side of Bed-Stuy
parts of Canarsie
Harlem/Wash Hts. border
Go to any part of East New York and you're taking your life into your own hands, not just New Lots Avenue. My ex used to force me to drive him there for crack or he'd call me at 3 in the morning to pick him up...good times good times)- it's a scary fucking place.

What I'm not understanding though & maybe I missed it in the article, is how can the Shinnecock, or any tribe, just declare land as reservation land? I know the Shinnecock have a reservation in Southhampton, Long Island, but I have yet to see anything about them having a reservation in Queens. Besides the tribe still not being fully recognized by the the federal government, don't they also have to have that land declared Indian land?
 

Budyzir

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Go to any part of East New York and you're taking your life into your own hands, not just New Lots Avenue. My ex used to force me to drive him there for crack or he'd call me at 3 in the morning to pick him up...good times good times)- it's a scary fucking place.

What I'm not understanding though & maybe I missed it in the article, is how can the Shinnecock, or any tribe, just declare land as reservation land? I know the Shinnecock have a reservation in Southhampton, Long Island, but I have yet to see anything about them having a reservation in Queens. Besides the tribe still not being fully recognized by the the federal government, don't they also have to have that land declared Indian land?
As I'm getting it, it's a trade. We wont force it in the Southampton if you let us do it here, in Queens. The fact that chose Aqueduct, in a relatively lower - middle class neighborhood, with out the political pull of the Hampton's implies to me that they are learning the game of politics.
 

Fruit Monkey

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niceeee!!! not really, the roads cant handle the traffic there now imagen that place going there?
 

Kris_LTRMa

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As I'm getting it, it's a trade. We wont force it in the Southampton if you let us do it here, in Queens. The fact that chose Aqueduct, in a relatively lower - middle class neighborhood, with out the political pull of the Hampton's implies to me that they are learning the game of politics.
Hmmm, that makes sense on one hand, but on the other, there's still the issue of how do they get the land declared a reservation if their reservation is in the Hamptons? That's the only part I'm not really getting. Unless maybe since the Shinnecock are made up of several tribes, they can declare the land is theirs because it once belonged to one of the other tribes?