A future without Sirius...

oldmandick

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Decent outlook for XM...

How does this affect the boys? Positive speculation only, please. :D;)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/28/AR2008022801114.html?hpid=sec-tech

"XM Satellite Radio said yesterday that it trimmed its loss while adding more subscribers in the fourth quarter, and its executives said they remain hopeful that its merger with Sirius Satellite Radio will be approved. But as the wait for the regulatory go-ahead drags on, the company also tried to reassure investors that it's prepared for a future without Sirius."

My take? XM is pretty much the only game in town for listening to the show out here in the hinterlands, especially since WJFK fell off the wagon. (Yeah, yeah, I know... bit torrents, binary newsgroups, Audible ... But that ain't how the casual listener rolls, now is it?) Any news that XM can survive a post-merger sat rad world is nothing but Good News, imho.
 

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I could see XM surviving without the merger. Sirius on the other hand not so much.

I dont follow the "market" or anything like that, just what I read on the net. It seems to me that ol' Mel is positive that the merger will go through, and has no back up plan. XM on the other hand has been slowly pulling out of their nose dive. And I think (would like to believe) that O&A being on FM and pushing people to more "bonus" show on XM has been a major help in those efforts. I have absolutely nothing to back this up though, its all in my head.
 

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I could see XM surviving without the merger. Sirius on the other hand not so much.

I dont follow the "market" or anything like that, just what I read on the net. It seems to me that ol' Mel is positive that the merger will go through, and has no back up plan. XM on the other hand has been slowly pulling out of their nose dive. And I think (would like to believe) that O&A being on FM and pushing people to more "bonus" show on XM has been a major help in those efforts. I have absolutely nothing to back this up though, its all in my head.
I don't think you are far off. XM has always had the better business model, but like I said in the other thread, American companies just don't have the backbone to work through hard times.
 

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= a future with less hernias
 
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I think XM will survive without the merger, If you read the articles with quotes from Mel, he kinda hinted that they can't resign HO HO for another 500mil. Howard's days could be numbered without the merger.
 

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I think XM will survive without the merger, If you read the articles with quotes from Mel, he kinda hinted that they can't resign HO HO for another 500mil. Howard's days could be numbered without the merger.
There's no way Sirius... or even SiriusXM for that matter, could come up with another ridiculous pile of cash for Howie... the stockholders would go batshit, and then Howard would see what a real revolution looks like. Howie is either going to have to take whatever scraps are left to offer, or he'll have to take the final (short) step into total obscurity and just leave when his contract is up.

And there's no way Howie is going to fall for the "stock options" scam again... when it comes to these two companies, that shit is about as valuable as Monopoly money.
 

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I think XM will survive without the merger, If you read the articles with quotes from Mel, he kinda hinted that they can't resign HO HO for another 500mil. Howard's days could be numbered without the merger.
Two things would happen, neither of which will result in Stern going away (his ego won't UH-LOWWWWWWW it):

1. Hoo Hoo will re-sign for a much lower figure but it will be swept under the rug as best as possible

2. Hoo Hoo will return to terrestrial where he'll either deny everything he ever said about not returning to the free airwaves OR he'll claim the radio station owners came to his house and begged him on their hands and knees to come back. He had "no choice" but to save radio.

:icon_roll
 

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The incredible thing is that no matter how bad XM's numbers look, people here keep insisting it's in much better shape than Sirius.

http://www.fool.com/investing/high-growth/2008/02/28/can-sirius-save-xm.aspx

"Can Sirius Save XM?
By Rick Aristotle Munarriz February 28, 2008

There are two ways to ensure poor reception with XM Satellite Radio (Nasdaq: XMSR).

First, drive through an underground tunnel or a cavernous parking garage. Second, post a wider operating loss and lackluster subscriber growth, just days after rival Sirius Satellite Radio (Nasdaq: SIRI) did the opposite.

XM's fourth-quarter report wasn't all bad. Revenue growth of 20%, to $308 million, actually exceeded the 18% top-line gain the market expected. Net loss narrowed to $0.78 a share, or $0.53 a share before merger and settlement charges. The adjusted deficit also clocked in ahead of Wall Street's target.

However, that net loss comparison includes a steep investment impairment loss, which XM booked in the final quarter of 2006. The company's adjusted operating loss actually widened substantially during the period, providing a stark contrast to Sirius, which actually trimmed its expense overhead in the same quarter.

Comparing XM to Sirius will hopefully be a short-lived game. The companies have been waiting 374 days to get regulatory approval of their merger since last year's initial announcement. With accumulated deficits growing at both companies, delaying a decision too much longer borders on cruelty"

Again, both companies are hurting and if there is no merger, they will both run out of money next year unless Wall Street is willing to pump in more. However, there is a reason Sirius, before the merger, was valued at about a third more than XM despite being smaller. It's growing and its numbers are improving. XM's are not. If one of these companies were to survive, it's just as likely if not more so that it would be Sirius.
 

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The incredible thing is that no matter how bad XM's numbers look, people here keep insisting it's in much better shape than Sirius.

http://www.fool.com/investing/high-growth/2008/02/28/can-sirius-save-xm.aspx

I don't think this guy is insisting that XM is doing better than Sirius. If you read what he wrote it actually seems like he is doing the opposite, like at the end there where he says if one company were to survive it's just as likely if not more so that it would be Sirius. :arrrh:
 
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I think XM will survive without the merger, If you read the articles with quotes from Mel, he kinda hinted that they can't resign HO HO for another 500mil. Howard's days could be numbered without the merger.
That is not what he said. Read the full article. He was talking from a business/capitalist's point of view. He would love to see Howard signed for less money, but know's thats not realistic. Any employer would love to hire his talent for as little money as possible, making a bigger profit.

No more kool-aid for you.
 
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Two things would happen, neither of which will result in Stern going away (his ego won't UH-LOWWWWWWW it):

1. Hoo Hoo will re-sign for a much lower figure but it will be swept under the rug as best as possible

2. Hoo Hoo will return to terrestrial where he'll either deny everything he ever said about not returning to the free airwaves OR he'll claim the radio station owners came to his house and begged him on their hands and knees to come back. He had "no choice" but to save radio.

:icon_roll

Havent we learned not to make assumptions on Howard and the "Doggie" by now? Everything wackbag use to claim or assume has never come to fruition. Sirius is on the verge of being the #1 satellite radio company. Howard has made satellite radio a household name. Howard is the sole reason for Sirius not being swallowed up by XM by now. I doubt Howard will ever return to satellite radio, he doesnt need it anymore. Maybe if Sirius still had 1.5 million subs, he'd go mental, but its not the case. Remember, it was O&A that swore they'd never go back to FM and they eventually did for the "good of the show". Whatever.
 

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I love when Hoohoo is mentioned a drove of new members hit that page.
 

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BloatedandGay.

I take it Congress finally passed the 'Truth in Screen Name Act'.
 

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Its always seemed to me that Sirius needs XM way more than XM need Sirius. Fuck Hoo Hoo and Fuck Sirius. I want to see them rot in a casket, Jaw drop, and do a slow twisting fall to the bottom of the Casket.
(casket is standing upright)
Jeez I suck at this.
 

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Havent we learned not to make assumptions on Howard and the "Doggie" by now? Everything wackbag use to claim or assume has never come to fruition. Sirius is on the verge of being the #1 satellite radio company. Howard has made satellite radio a household name. Howard is the sole reason for Sirius not being swallowed up by XM by now. I doubt Howard will ever return to satellite radio, he doesnt need it anymore. Maybe if Sirius still had 1.5 million subs, he'd go mental, but its not the case. Remember, it was O&A that swore they'd never go back to FM and they eventually did for the "good of the show". Whatever.
You hid it well for a while but you've finally come out and shown yourself to be a true zombie. Find audio of O&A swearing they would never go back to FM, and when you can't don't come back and reply with text about why you shouldn't have to or rhar you don't feel like listening to the shows to find it. If it was mentioned to a point it's burned into your brain that they said anything like that, it was either a memorable segment or a repeated occurence, and either one should give you enough of an idea where to look to get the info.
 

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I don't think this guy is insisting that XM is doing better than Sirius. If you read what he wrote it actually seems like he is doing the opposite, like at the end there where he says if one company were to survive it's just as likely if not more so that it would be Sirius. :arrrh:
No shit, Sherlock.

Remember, it was O&A that swore they'd never go back to FM
No they didn't. I'm not going through this routine with another noob that thinks he remembers something that never happened. If they said it, post the audio. Period. Ask your SFN buddies for help if you need to.
 

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Havent we learned not to make assumptions on Howard and the "Doggie" by now? Everything wackbag use to claim or assume has never come to fruition. Sirius is on the verge of being the #1 satellite radio company. Howard has made satellite radio a household name. Howard is the sole reason for Sirius not being swallowed up by XM by now. I doubt Howard will ever return to satellite radio, he doesnt need it anymore. Maybe if Sirius still had 1.5 million subs, he'd go mental, but its not the case. Remember, it was O&A that swore they'd never go back to FM and they eventually did for the "good of the show". Whatever.
 
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No shit, Sherlock.



No they didn't. I'm not going through this routine with another noob that thinks he remembers something that never happened. If they said it, post the audio. Period. Ask your SFN buddies for help if you need to.
i should have it on my pc. imma look for it and try to post tomorrow. dude, ive beena listener since right before sex for sam.
 

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"We could never work for Mel again . . . Free FM blows. Go fuck yourselves Infinity Broadcasting . . . . Free means that it sucks" - OA (beginning of 10/31/05 show)

Where did they end up 6 months later?
 

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Havent we learned not to make assumptions on Howard and the "Doggie" by now? Everything wackbag use to claim or assume has never come to fruition. Sirius is on the verge of being the #1 satellite radio company. Howard has made satellite radio a household name. Howard is the sole reason for Sirius not being swallowed up by XM by now. I doubt Howard will ever return to satellite radio, he doesnt need it anymore. Maybe if Sirius still had 1.5 million subs, he'd go mental, but its not the case. Remember, it was O&A that swore they'd never go back to FM and they eventually did for the "good of the show". Whatever.

You're joking, right?

1. XM had no desire to swallow up Sirius. It's Sirius who is initiating the merger, because they're the ones who won't survive without it. Giving Howie 500 million, and for what? He may have bolstered the suscribers, but he's not reaching anywhere near the numbers he was claiming when he was still on terrestrial radio. Oh, and even now, XM still has more subscribers.

2. O&A went back because A) CBS threw a TON of money at them, and B) it was the only legal way to get their "stuff" back. For all of you crying about them going back, think about all the classic stuff we get to hear on XM that we were told was "lost" after they were fired.
 
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You're joking, right?

1. XM had no desire to swallow up Sirius. It's Sirius who is initiating the merger, because they're the ones who won't survive without it. Giving Howie 500 million, and for what? He may have bolstered the suscribers, but he's not reaching anywhere near the numbers he was claiming when he was still on terrestrial radio. Oh, and even now, XM still has more subscribers.

2. O&A went back because A) CBS threw a TON of money at them, and B) it was the only legal way to get their "stuff" back. For all of you crying about them going back, think about all the classic stuff we get to hear on XM that we were told was "lost" after they were fired.
regarding #1........ you obviously know nothing.