America!

How do you feel about America?

  • I Love America! USA USA

    Votes: 49 73.1%
  • America sucks! Boooooooooooo

    Votes: 5 7.5%
  • I'm eh about the entire thing. Whatever, America.

    Votes: 13 19.4%

  • Total voters
    67
#26
I didn't say we weren't monitored, regulated, etc to death. Just because something is regulated or monitored does not make it illegal. For instance, I really enjoy recreational shooting and hunting. In America, it is perfectly legal for me to own several different firearms for these purposes. Many other places (England for example) do not allow regular citizens to do this.


But to answer your question in typical wackbag smart-ass fashion. the government doesn't regulate or monitor how often I jerk off. :action-sm
Do it on your front yard or porch. But I digress.

I never said the encroachment had to be illegal. And legality doesn't mean it's not oppressive. It's perfectly legal to do many things that are oppressive to society. Ask any father who suffers a divorce, or anyone who's ever taken on an eminent domain case. Just because a precedent is set, and we all for the most part gave up doing what's right doesn't justify it.

You are not free, you never were free. And as a society we've bought in to the notion that because we can do a few ancillary "things" we want to we are free. When the bigger more important things we can't. And we seldom look at the alternatives. There are over 20,000 words in the preamble to the commercial regulation on the sale of cabbage on the books. The Preamble to the Constitution has about 50.

Which is absurd.
 

bill333

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Mar 23, 2005
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#27
Every country has its time in the forfront of history, once it was Rome, Then It was the British Empire. Now it is the USA, but no "empire" lasts forever, no empire ever has.

I try to explain this to the people at work. It's amazing that people(countries) don't learn from the past.
There are times when I get pissed at ourselves for not minding our own business but then you think, what might happen if we weren't proactive? Who the hell knows what's going on behind closed doors (besides intern sex - allegedly)
 
#28
Well my neighbors may be playing with guns, and one may go off and head through my wall. Shall I go over and kill them before they kill me? Where does it end?

America is taking a path it was never intended to take. No one can point to any prominent precedents that say we should be the police force and arbiters for every injustice and possible boogeyman scenario that goes on in the planet.

The middle east is in fact a hornet's nest. And if anyone came up to me and said that the hornets are attacking them everytime they stick their hand in the nest the first thing I'd tell them is stop sticking your damned hand in the nest.
 

weakside

He was stupid. I was lucky. I will visit him soon.
Dec 9, 2004
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#29
I say America #1

America has its problems, but a country will always have problems. People blow them way out of proportion.
 

kidconnor

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Mar 16, 2005
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#30
Got this in an e-mail a while back.. Pretty interesting.. Wss thinking about editing out the Bush stuff but left it in ... My thought.. I don't think America is HALF the country it once was.. try to please too many people at once and nobody wins. It's all about "ME" now instead of "US". I think we're doomed.











How Long Do We Have?

About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new
constitution
in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the
University
of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic
some
2,000 years earlier:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as
a
permanent form of government."

"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters
discover
they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury."

"From that moment on, the majority always vote for the cand idates who
promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result
that
every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy,
which
is
always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the
beginning
of history, has been about 200 years."

"During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the
following sequence:

1. from bondage to spiritual faith;
2. from spiritual faith to great courage;
3. from courage to liberty;
4. from liberty to abundance;
5. from abundance to complacency;
6. from complacency to apathy;
7. from apathy to dependence;
8. from dependence back into bondage"

Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul,
Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000
Presidential election:

Number of States won by:
Gore: 19
Bush: 29

Square miles of land won b y:
Gore: 580,000
Bush: 2,427,000

Population of counties won by:
Gore: 127 million
Bush: 143 million

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
Gore: 13.2
Bush: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won
was
mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country.
Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in
government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government
welfare..."

Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the
"complacency
and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with
some
forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the
"governmental dependency" phase.


If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal
invaders called illegal's and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the
USA in fewer than five years.

Pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake,
knowing
that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.

Thanks for reading.
 

Glenn Dandy

THE ONLY WHITE PRESIDENT LEFT.
Mar 21, 2005
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#31
Got this in an e-mail a while back.. Pretty interesting.. Wss thinking about editing out the Bush stuff but left it in ... My thought.. I don't think America is HALF the country it once was.. try to please too many people at once and nobody wins. It's all about "ME" now instead of "US". I think we're doomed.











How Long Do We Have?

About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new
constitution
in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the
University
of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic
some
2,000 years earlier:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as
a
permanent form of government."

"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters
discover
they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury."

"From that moment on, the majority always vote for the cand idates who
promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result
that
every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy,
which
is
always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the
beginning
of history, has been about 200 years."

"During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the
following sequence:

1. from bondage to spiritual faith;
2. from spiritual faith to great courage;
3. from courage to liberty;
4. from liberty to abundance;
5. from abundance to complacency;
6. from complacency to apathy;
7. from apathy to dependence;
8. from dependence back into bondage"

Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul,
Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000
Presidential election:

Number of States won by:
Gore: 19
Bush: 29

Square miles of land won b y:
Gore: 580,000
Bush: 2,427,000

Population of counties won by:
Gore: 127 million
Bush: 143 million

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
Gore: 13.2
Bush: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won
was
mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country.
Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in
government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government
welfare..."

Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the
"complacency
and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with
some
forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the
"governmental dependency" phase.


If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal
invaders called illegal's and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the
USA in fewer than five years.

Pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake,
knowing
that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.

Thanks for reading.
Exactly, correct. Thats why in the name the era you wished you grew up in I picked 1950 into 1960. the liberty to abundance decade.
 

SOS

Is alive.
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Aug 14, 2000
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#32
Well my neighbors may be playing with guns, and one may go off and head through my wall. Shall I go over and kill them before they kill me? Where does it end?
You know you have other options.

America is taking a path it was never intended to take. No one can point to any prominent precedents that say we should be the police force and arbiters for every injustice and possible boogeyman scenario that goes on in the planet.
French and Indian War

War of Independence.

Shores of Tripoli

War of 1812.

Monroe Doctrine.

Mexican War.

British&French influence in Civil War

Spanish-American War.

Roosevelt Corollary(Big Stick Diplomacy).

Panama

United States involvement in the Mexican Revolution

Banana Wars.
# United States occupation of Haiti
# United States occupation of Nicaragua
# United States occupation of Veracruz
# United States occupation of the Dominican Republic


WWI.

WWII.

Marshall Plan.

Truman Doctrine.

United Nations

Korean Conflict.

Vietnam Conflict.

Cold War.

Invasion of Grenada

Contra

Gulf War

Somalia

Bosnian War

Kosovo War

War in Afghanistan

Iraq War

The middle east is in fact a hornet's nest. And if anyone came up to me and said that the hornets are attacking them everytime they stick their hand in the nest the first thing I'd tell them is stop sticking your damned hand in the nest.
I wish the hornets would stay in their nest then.
 
#33
French and Indian War

War of Independence.

Shores of Tripoli

War of 1812.

Monroe Doctrine.

Mexican War.

British&French influence in Civil War

Spanish-American War.

Roosevelt Corollary(Big Stick Diplomacy).

Panama

United States involvement in the Mexican Revolution

Banana Wars.
# United States occupation of Haiti
# United States occupation of Nicaragua
# United States occupation of Veracruz
# United States occupation of the Dominican Republic


WWI.

WWII.

Marshall Plan.

Truman Doctrine.

United Nations

Korean Conflict.

Vietnam Conflict.

Cold War.

Invasion of Grenada

Contra

Gulf War

Somalia

Bosnian War

Kosovo War

War in Afghanistan

Iraq War



I wish the hornets would stay in their nest then.
This is pretty much a list that shows that our interference hasn't worked. So thank you for wrapping up that bit of research. The precedents I seek are in the Constitution. if you can show me where we as a single nation have the authority and right to interfere, nation building, policing the world, guarding everyone elses borders and not our own, I'd love to see it. it's not there.


We are not the world's police force. We are not the saving grace for the planet. We are not mandated to make the world whole at our expense. And it is because of our interference that we are in the mess we're in.

The hornets, are in their own nest. 8,000 miles away from us. We're over there. And as long as we are over there some are going to fly over here. Fact of life.
 
Dec 25, 2005
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#34
I'm rather proud to be an citzen of the United States. I have an issue with current poicies & political/global tactics, plus the fact that our middle class continues to be forgotten.

There are plenty of reasons why the US surged after the wars. Our war machine has changed. We've become greedy when shown an oppurtunity of world commerce. And again, they forget about the middle, WORKING, class.

We're buying out of our own workforce at a global level.
 

Dopie Opie

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Oct 22, 2004
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#35
When I was a kid I loved that song about the Horse with No Name...

Since then however, never cared for America...or Asia for that matter,

now Europe for that matter is a different story, love "The Final Countdown" it gets me really pumped.
 

SOS

Is alive.
Wackbag Staff
Aug 14, 2000
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#36
strict constitutionalist liberal?

This is pretty much a list that shows that our interference hasn't worked. So thank you for wrapping up that bit of research. The precedents I seek are in the Constitution. if you can show me where we as a single nation have the authority and right to interfere, nation building, policing the world, guarding everyone elses borders and not our own, I'd love to see it. it's not there.
wow, a revsisionist-history or public-schooled strict constitutionalist liberal ideolog.


We are not the world's police force. We are not the saving grace for the planet. We are not mandated to make the world whole at our expense. And it is because of our interference that we are in the mess we're in.
That's you opinion which you will confuse with fact.

The hornets, are in their own nest. 8,000 miles away from us. We're over there. And as long as we are over there some are going to fly over here. Fact of life.
Yes, it was all our fault. :rolleyes:

/sarcasm

I really do feel sorry for you because you have been corrupted by uber-liberal marketing.


Before you start spouting off things that you read from other more articulate people(do you remember where you learned what you were told or do you believe that these are your own words?) I would suggest that you go to a public library and start reading some history books and try not to skip over the parts you don't like.