Another expert telling us how to make less fatties

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Trimming super-size with half-orders, plate colors




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This undated two-picture combo provided by Aline Michelle Grüneisen, Lab Manager, Center for Advanced Hindsight, Duke University shows the same meal, but the photo at left shows a full serving of rice and the other a half serving of rice. A creative new experiment suggests paring down the side dishes might help a nation of over-eaters shave some calories. Researchers infiltrated a fast-food Chinese restaurant and found up to a third of diners jumped at the offer of a half-size of the usual heaping pile of rice or noodles _ even when the smaller amount cost the same. (AP Photo/Aline Michelle Grüneisen, Center for Advanced Hindsight, Duke University)

By LAURAN NEERGAARD
AP Medical Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - Call it the alter-ego of super-sizing.
Researchers infiltrated a fast-food Chinese restaurant and found up to a third of diners jumped at the offer of a half-size of the usual heaping pile of rice or noodles _ even when the smaller amount cost the same.
Giant portion sizes are one of the culprits behind the epidemic of bulging waistlines, and nowhere is the portion-creep more evident than in restaurants with French fry-heavy meal deals or plates overflowing with pasta. Now scientists are tapping into the psychology of eating to find ways to trim portions without people feeling cheated _ focusing on everything from the starchy sides to the color of the plates.
"The small Coke now is what used to be a large 15 years ago," laments psychologist Janet Schwartz, a marketing professor at Tulane University who led the Chinese food study. "We should ask people what portion size they want," instead of large being the default.
Restaurants are paying close attention, says prominent food-science researcher Brian Wansink of Cornell University. His own tests found children were satisfied with about half the fries in their Happy Meal long before McDonald's cut back the size, and the calories, last year.
"We'll be seeing some very creative ways of down-sizing in the next couple of years," predicts Wansink, author of Mindless Eating: Why We Eat More Than We Think.
But let's call it "right-sizing," says Duke University behavioral economist Dan Ariely. Right-size suggests it's a good portion, not a cut, he says.
Couldn't you just get a doggie bag? Sure, if you've got the willpower to stop before your plate is mostly clean. Lots of research shows Americans don't. We tend to rely on visual cues about how much food is left, shoveling it in before the stomach-to-brain signal of "hey wait, I'm getting full" can arrive.
So Schwartz and Ariely tested a different approach: Could we limit our own temptation if we focus not on the tastiest reason we visited a restaurant _ the entree _ but on the side dishes? After all, restaurants can pile on calorie-dense starches like rice or pasta or fries because they're very inexpensive, filling the plate so it looks like a good deal, Schwartz says.
A popular Chinese franchise at Duke University, with a mix of students, staff and visitors to the campus hospital, allowed the researchers in at lunchtime.
In the serving line, customers pick the rice or noodles first. The standard serving is a whopping 10 ounces, about 400 calories even before ordering the entree, says Schwartz. There was no half-size option on the menu board.
In a series of experiments, servers asked 970 customers after their initial rice or noodle order: "Would you like a half-order to save 200 calories?" Those who said yes didn't order a higher-calorie entree to compensate. Weighing leftovers showed they threw away the same amount of food as customers who refused or weren't offered the option.
A 25-cent discount didn't spur more takers. Nor did adding calorie labels so people could calculate for themselves, the researchers report in this month's journal Health Affairs _ concluding the up-front offer made the difference.
Anywhere from 14 percent to 33 percent chose the reduced portions, depending on the day and the mix of customers.
Even 200 fewer calories can add up over time. And other tricks can trim portions without people noticing, whether dining out or at home. Cornell's Wansink found people served 18 percent more pasta with marinara sauce onto a red plate than a white one _ and 18 percent more pasta alfredo onto a white plate.
A stark contrast "makes you think twice before you throw on another scoop," explains Wansink. His own family bought some dark dinner plates to supplement their white ones, because people tend to overeat white starches more than veggies.
Wansink's other research has found:
_Switching from 11-inch plates to 10-inch plates makes people take less food, and waste less food. The slightly smaller plate makes a normal serving look more satisfying.
_People think they're drinking more from a tall skinny glass than a short wide one even if both hold the same volume, a finding Wansink says was widely adopted by bars.
_Beware if kids eat from the adult bowls. He found 6-year-olds serve themselves 44 percent more food in an 18-ounce bowl than a 12-ounce bowl.
Restaurants are starting to get the message that at least some customers want to eat more sensibly. Applebees, for example, has introduced a line of meals under 550 calories, including such things as steak.
And a National Restaurant Association survey found smaller-portion entrees, "mini-meals" for adults and kids, and bite-size desserts made a new trend list.
It's all consumer demand, says association nutrition director Joy Dubost: More diners now are "requesting the healthier options and paying attention to their calories."
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EDITOR'S NOTE _ Lauran Neergaard covers health and medical issues for The Associated Press in Washington.

(Copyright 2012 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.)
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Do fatty pig fatties not know when to put down the fork? "whaa"
Why would they.

Good idea they have here. Save 200 calories by taking less rice, but don't give a second thought to the 2000 calories of oil soaked shit from the top of the plate. ::hammer:
 

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Yea, eat less rice, that's going to help

You never see a fat Chinaman (read generic Asian person) do you? Well aside from sumo wrestlers and the kid in North Korea, you don't, because they eat a lot of rice.
 

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Fatties: eat less, move more.

Looking for the easy way out is part of why you're obese.
 

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Really. Chinese food is the problem? Never thought about that one.

Fried food, soft drinks, fast food obviously but chinese food?
 
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When I get takeout chinese food, I throw the rice out. I have beef and broccoli and sweet and sour chicken to eat. Who has room for plain white rice?
 

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Really. Chinese food is the problem? Never thought about that one.

Fried food, soft drinks, fast food obviously but chinese food?
Takeout Chinese is some of the most unhealthy, calorie-laden shit food there is. If you're eating a plate of General Tso's, you might as well be eating two Big Macs. The myth of Chinese food as "health food" was busted back like twenty years ago.
 

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Chinese food is healthy, the way they make it in China. Over here...no.
 

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Takeout Chinese is some of the most unhealthy, calorie-laden shit food there is. If you're eating a plate of General Tso's, you might as well be eating two Big Macs. The myth of Chinese food as "health food" was busted back like twenty years ago.
But I mean it's still food to some degree. If you order a KFC bucket and a coke you're pretty much buying a heart attack.
 

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Here's my take on this...

Good luck trying to fool the fatties with optical illusions and colored plates. Trust me... the bloated bodies of the fatties count calories down to the tenths place after the decimal. It's not a matter of "apparent bulk" of the food they're shoveling in... it's the "full feeling" that they only get when they've got a sufficient level of calories glommed onboard. The fatty pigs know exactly when they're "satisfied" and it's got nothing to do with the color of a plate.

It's why the fatsos don't lose weight when they switch to diet soda... because they know they're getting less calories, they can feel it, and they just compensate by devouring that many more Oreos.

The only way to lose weight is to force(and I do mean FORCE) yourself to be satisfied with less calories.
 

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But I mean it's still food to some degree. If you order a KFC bucket and a coke you're pretty much buying a heart attack.
Chinese food is probably actually shittier than KFC... on top of all the fried chicken grease in the General Tso's you have all the HFCS in the gloppy sweet sauce, all the salt in the soy sauce, and all the empty shit carb calories in the white rice. And lets face it, the broccoli in the dish is just a conveyance device to sop up all the poisons and bring it to your mouth. Eating a stick of butter on a celery stalk does not a healthy snack make.
 

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And a shit load of cardio helps, too.
Shhh... yer gonna scare the fatties. Reducing calories is a scary enough concept to deal with alone. You bring exercise into the discussion and you're going to lose them for sure. One step at a time.
 

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Chinese food is healthy, the way they make it in China. Over here...no.
Exactly. You don't see them eating the slop they sell to round-eye.

In the young people's neighborhoods, the Chinese take out includes chicken wings and greasy fries, served from behind bullet-proof grass.
 

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The shit that always fucked me was while logging I was use to eating 5,000-6,000 calories a day and losing weight, then every fall when I stopped logging I had to cut that down. I absolutely had to keep exercising through the winter because it's tough to drop 3,000 calories from your diet.

Since then I've always found it much easier to increase exercise than diet, and it works pretty well for me. I generally try to eat healthier when I want to lose weight, but I don't count calories or torture myself with what food I can/can't eat.
 

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I was a stringbean all through my entire childhood. I was on swim teams from when I was 8 all the way through high school(swimming just incinerates calories), and being a Navy Diver meant I had to actually force myself to eat more so that I got enough calories to keep me going.

I went through my whole life up until I got out of the Navy at 23 years old eating whatever I wanted and however much of it I wanted to eat... I never even gave it a thought.

I can remember the day... I was 25 years old, and I looked down and saw a little sorta roll around my middle... just the slightest hint of a lump. I swear, I thought I had some sort of disease. I was like, "What the fuck is that? A hernia or something?" It came as a shock to me when I finally put 2 and 2 together and realized, "Holy shit! That's fat! I have fat one me! Me... fat on me!"

I had slacked off a little after the Navy after I went back home and started living like a civilian... bar food, wings and beer, sleeping in on weekends, slugging out on the couch watching MST3K for hours on end.

It was actually a novelty having fat on my body. I went around showing everybody... my mom and dad and my brother and friends... "Look, I'm a fat fuck! Look at that beer gut." as I pinched the tiny little bulge on my stomach.

Twenty years later... the novelty of having fat on my body has long since worn off. Twenty five years of blissful ignorance. Twenty years of grinding struggle... and counting.
 

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A half serving of rice at a restaurant will change nothing. Fatties have been conditioned by their fatso parents to overeat until they have a heart attack. Then they think getting some stomach surgery that makes them eat less will provide some sort of miracle cure. A year later they will be tummy-bulgy again. Then heart attack number two comes and restarts the cycle. The answer is to brainwash little kids into good habits like eating healthy and exercising and hope it sticks with 'em. Forget about trying to train healthy habits into a fatso. It doesn't work.

The only thing that pisses me off more than a fat tub of garbage with side fat falling out of his bib overalls at a Chinese Buffet is the fact that Duke University has a Center for Advanced Hindsight.
 

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First off, "Chinese food" in the West is actually Cantonese food. China is a big place, with all kinds of cooking, most of it nothing like what we know.

Second, you can't say that one style of cooking is good for you, and another bad. Most styles use similar ingredients (meat, seafood, vegetables, rice, wheat, salt, sugar, spices). In moderation, they're all good, and in excess, they're all bad. Even if you only eat Cantonese food all your life, if you pick good restaurants you can have a balanced diet. And you can certainly have a balanced diet on American food. The problem starts with individual dishes, that are too fat, too sweet, too poor in fiber or even protein. And even that, only if a person chooses to eat that same food over and over again. As an occasional treat, even those foods are fine. Eating healthy isn't rocket science.

There are a few styles of cooking which are especially good for you though. Japanese cooking for instance, if made and eaten properly, is especially healthy.
 

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And BTW, if you are eating at a joint in the Asian areas they have a menu for us, and a menu for their real customers. If you learn some real dishes that you like and ask if they serve it, they often do. Often using parts of the animal Americans are too much of a faggit to eat.
 

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How I became a fat ass:
Couch slug, skipped breakfast, ate huge lunch and dinner and washed everything down with a can of Pepsi. Burger King Whoppers, sometimes two a day. I avoided having to take steps, so if there was no elevator or escalator, my fat ass wouldn't be interested in going to such a place. Weekends I would often eat no breakfast or lunch but would eat a huge dinner, go out drinking then gorge on taco bell collapsing into my bed. Despite being a porker, I had game and could still land the occasional skinny drunk girl, or sober fat girl. So what did I care? I'm eating what I want and getting my peepee played with. Then my blood pressure spiked, then one day I had to go up three flights of steps and bring down a 50lbs box, and by the time I hit the last step on the way up I thought my heart was going to explode.

How I stopped being a fat ass and became a lean mean fighting machine:
Exercise, diet, elimination of sugar and bread from my diet.

How I maintain my health now:
Swim laps, eat 6 meals a day, exercise bike, long walks. 1 splurge meal a week (never fast food).

There is no magic potion or pill that is going to turn a fat person into a thin one. There are no mind tricks or other visual aids that will make a fat person eat less. If you are prone to eating a lot, then eat numerous smaller meals during the day. Of course, you have to get up and move. Get up and walk. If you can walk every day for a year, reward yourself by getting a shelter dog to walk with you. Climb steps, take the long way around. If your bored, find something to do - not eat!
 

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First off, "Chinese food" in the West is actually Cantonese food. China is a big place, with all kinds of cooking, most of it nothing like what we know.

Second, you can't say that one style of cooking is good for you, and another bad. Most styles use similar ingredients (meat, seafood, vegetables, rice, wheat, salt, sugar, spices). In moderation, they're all good, and in excess, they're all bad. Even if you only eat Cantonese food all your life, if you pick good restaurants you can have a balanced diet. And you can certainly have a balanced diet on American food. The problem starts with individual dishes, that are too fat, too sweet, too poor in fiber or even protein. And even that, only if a person chooses to eat that same food over and over again. As an occasional treat, even those foods are fine. Eating healthy isn't rocket science.

There are a few styles of cooking which are especially good for you though. Japanese cooking for instance, if made and eaten properly, is especially healthy.
I specifically said "Takeout Chinese". Everybody knows what Chinese takeout means, and nobody was thinking, "I'm confused... was he talking about Cantonese or Mandarin or Long Duck Dong or the cream of Sum Yung Guy?"

Everybody knows I was talking about the slop the slopes sling in "Ten fitee minee" down at the Golden Dong Head Palace in the strip mall down the street.

But thank you for dispelling the nonexistent confusion.

Second, you can't say that one style of cooking is good for you, and another bad.
Oh yeah? Then show me a healthy soul food place. I'll be over here not holding my breath.
 

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I specifically said "Takeout Chinese". Everybody knows what Chinese takeout means, and nobody was thinking, "I'm confused... was he talking about Cantonese or Mandarin or Long Duck Dong or the cream of Sum Yung Guy?"

Everybody knows I was talking about the slop the slopes sling in "Ten fitee minee" down at the Golden Dong Head Palace in the strip mall down the street.

But thank you for dispelling the nonexistent confusion.