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Big Brother is here.

American football power nabs phone numbers for 13,000 StubHubersSpying on the field. Spying on the web

By Cade Metz in San Francisco

Published Friday 19th October 2007 23:56 GMT

First, the New England Patriots used surveillance equipment to spy on the New York Jets. And now they've used a Massachusetts state court to spy on up to 13,000 people who use StubHub.com.

After repeated pleas from the American football franchise - winner of three of the last six Super Bowls - Massachusetts Superior Court Judge Allan van Gestel has ordered StubHub to divulge the names, phone numbers, and addresses for 13,000 people who have sold, purchased, or even attempted to sell or purchase Patriots tickets via the eBay-owned auction site.

That's right, the Pats have even nabbed the names of people who failed to auction off tickets or placed unsuccessful bids. And these names account for a majority of the 13,000.

What's more, the team can use the names for more than just evidence gathering purposes. According to court documents, they can bar the 13,000 from owning season tickets, and they can call in the cops.

"The Patriots have said that they intend to use the identities of the purchasers and sellers not only for this case, but also for its own other allegedly legitimate uses, such as canceling season tickets of 'violators' or reporting to authorities those customers that they deem to be in violation of the Massachusetts anti-scalping law," reads the decision from Judge van Gestel.

StubHub told us the company has complied with order, and yesterday, it attempted to notify the 13,000. Daniel Goldberg, a Boston lawyer who represents the Patriots in its ongoing court battle with StubHub, did not respond to our requests for comment.

Court ins and outs
The Patriots sued StubHub in November last year, claiming the site encouraged people to violate the team's ticket policy as well as that Massachusetts anti-scalping law. Patriots policy says that ticket holders can only resell their tickets at face value on the team's official website. Meanwhile, an 83-year-old state law prohibits the resale of tickets for more than $2 above face value (excluding "legitimate" services charges).

A month later, StubHub filed a counter-suit, arguing that the Patriots were attempting to monopolize the market for team tickets and conspiring to restrict trade. The case is still very much in the balance, but in July, Judge Gestel ordered StubHub to turn over those 13,000 names as part of the case's discovery process.

StubHub appealed, arguing this would violate its terms of service, but that didn't go so well. On September 25, the judge repeated the order, and now the names are with Pats.

The added wrinkle here is that even though the case has yet to be decided, the Pats are free to take action against the 13,000 outside the courtroom. "There's a protective order on the names, so they can't be released publicly," said Christopher Callanan, a lawyer with the Massachusetts firm Campbell Campbell Edwards & Conroy. "But the Patriots can use them for other purposes, like rescinding ticket rights."

Just like the Jets
As Callahan confirms, StubHub users who failed in their attempts to buy or sell tickets have not broken Massachusetts law. "No one would get arrested for failing to buy or sell tickets," he told The Reg. And those who posted losing bids may have nothing to do with the Patriots' ticket policy.

Ari Schwartz, deputy director of the Center for Democracy and Technology (CDT), is appalled. "There are going to be some instances here where the law was not broken, but StubHub is still required to turn over that information," he told us. "And what really gives us concern is that they've even been forced to turn over the names of unsuccessfully bidders. These people may have no existing relationship with the Patriots."

We're appalled too. But we're not surprised. Last month, the National Football League fined the Patriots and their unrepentant coach $750,000 for using audio and video equipment to steal defensive signals during a game with the lowly New York Jets.

"There was a very easy, ethical response to this StubHub situation: The Patriots could have just asked for the names of the people who broke the law," Schwartz continued. "But they chose to take another path. They showed they haven't learned that privacy is an important issue."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/19/stubhub_turns_over_13000_names_to_new_england_patriots/
 

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What a bunch of greedy rat motherfuckers, hope they choke on their own fetid feces just before playoffs.
 

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What a bunch of greedy rat motherfuckers, hope they choke on their own fetid feces just before playoffs.
Wait a sec. They said they sold the tickets through there own web site. And if you can only charge someone 2 dollars above face value, they aint making shit. They would actually be saving the consumers a bunch of money.
 

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Pats should kick ass tomorrow...........that's what they do ya know? The play football, and they are amazin',,,,,"I can't discuss this but if you have any questions about the game I will be sure to answer them."
 

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It's funny how people love to dig up stupid shit and try to take down a legendary franchise that is about to win yet another superbowl. Jealous fucks.


the red sox fan did not just say that


god i love that picture

edit,

aw you edited it, damit.
 

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What a bunch of greedy rat motherfuckers, hope they choke on their own fetid feces just before playoffs.
Hey dummy, did you read the article?

They're trying to break the ticket brokers who are charging $1000+ a seat for tickets.

I wish the SOX would do that too!:action-sm
 

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Hey dummy, did you read the article?

They're trying to break the ticket brokers who are charging $1000+ a seat for tickets.

I wish the SOX would do that too!:action-sm
Hey, no "Shucker defended the Pats?" post?
 

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football sucks anyway
 

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I say give them an asterisk if they win the Superbowl this year, and retroactively slap one on the last few as well.
 

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Hey dummy, did you read the article?

They're trying to break the ticket brokers who are charging $1000+ a seat for tickets.

I wish the SOX would do that too!:action-sm
Yes, exactly. Fuck the fans who pay thousands of dollars a year for season tickets who can't sell them when they get sick and can't go.

It's perfectly OK to cheat though. Fuck those cocksuckers.
 

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Wow, you people amaze me. You actually think there are teams out there NOT doing this with their complementary front row 50 yard line tickets coupled with today's video technology? Get real.
 

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Oh, back on topic, FUCK stubhub for their over-inflated pricing. The sox ticket holders are supposed to do the same thing, they even have their own site where you have to pay $50 to just browse the available tickets. I did that, and guess what? There were none there, but there were plenty on Ebay and stub hub for 60%+/ticket. I don't agree with the names of people just bidding getting turned over, because where else are you going to get them, but I agree with the Pats using the names to ban ticket season holders, because the majority of those assholes belong to these "ticket resellers" so they can buy in bulk and make a fortune on them. I'm sure they're not going after 1 time violators, i mean sometimes you just can't make a game, but if you bought season tickets for 4 seats and you track the name down to 60-64 tickets sold on stubhub, chances are it's just someone trying to turn a profit, making it difficult for the average schlep like me to get a ticket to the game. So fuck em.
 

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There is something fishy about this Patriots team. I wouldn't be surprised if the signal calling isn't just the tip of an iceberg. No one throws 27 touchdowns against 2 INT's in the first 7 weeks of a season.
 

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Oh, back on topic, FUCK stubhub for their over-inflated pricing. The sox ticket holders are supposed to do the same thing, they even have their own site where you have to pay $50 to just browse the available tickets. I did that, and guess what? There were none there, but there were plenty on Ebay and stub hub for 60%+/ticket. I don't agree with the names of people just bidding getting turned over, because where else are you going to get them, but I agree with the Pats using the names to ban ticket season holders, because the majority of those assholes belong to these "ticket resellers" so they can buy in bulk and make a fortune on them. I'm sure they're not going after 1 time violators, i mean sometimes you just can't make a game, but if you bought season tickets for 4 seats and you track the name down to 60-64 tickets sold on stubhub, chances are it's just someone trying to turn a profit, making it difficult for the average schlep like me to get a ticket to the game. So fuck em.
Yes, very good point. Fuck the free market. From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. Who do you think has done more to make tickets unaffordable? Stubhub? Or the greedy fucking owners? Last time I checked, Stubhub wasn't charging ten dollars for a fucking beer. The Patriots had no business getting this information, and no fucking business using it to fuck over season ticket holders. If what Stubhub is doing is wrong, shut down Stubhub, like they did online id Poker (speaking of cheaters). But leave the fans alone.
 

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There is something fishy about this Patriots team. I wouldn't be surprised if the signal calling isn't just the tip of an iceberg. No one throws 27 touchdowns against 2 INT's in the first 7 weeks of a season.

Brady must be snorting up between plays to be so focused.
 

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Yes, exactly. Fuck the fans who pay thousands of dollars a year for season tickets who can't sell them when they get sick and can't go.

It's perfectly OK to cheat though. Fuck those cocksuckers.
Yes, very good point. Fuck the free market. From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. Who do you think has done more to make tickets unaffordable? Stubhub? Or the greedy fucking owners? Last time I checked, Stubhub wasn't charging ten dollars for a fucking beer. The Patriots had no business getting this information, and no fucking business using it to fuck over season ticket holders. If what Stubhub is doing is wrong, shut down Stubhub, like they did online id Poker (speaking of cheaters). But leave the fans alone.
It's NOT about "FUCKING THE TICKET HOLDER". How is that ticket holder being "FUCKED" if they have to sell thier tickets for face value? For them to mark tickets up to $1000+, (which you can easily find on Stub Hub & Ebay), is not only morally wrong, but ILLEGAL (Scalping).

Why are you sticking up for Ticket Scalpers? Are you a scalper yourself or so hell bent on TRYING to trash the Pats that you'll go for any angle that you think will give you some firepower.

Really sad pal...:action-sm
 

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It's NOT about "FUCKING THE TICKET HOLDER". How is that ticket holder being "FUCKED" if they have to sell thier tickets for face value? For them to mark tickets up to $1000+, (which you can easily find on Stub Hub & Ebay), is not only morally wrong, but ILLEGAL (Scalping).

Why are you sticking up for Ticket Scalpers? Are you a scalper yourself or so hell bent on TRYING to trash the Pats that you'll go for any angle that you think will give you some firepower.

Really sad pal...:action-sm
I'm not sticking up for ticket scalpers. I'm sticking up for free market economics. And I'm bashing the Patriots for this gross invasion of the privacy of people who may have bought or sold their tickets on Stubhub, which, in my view, is none of their fucking business. If you think $1000 is too much for a ticket, don't buy it. Nobody has a gun to your head. Watch the fucking game on TV.

But as a season ticket holder, I resent having to sell my tickets at a price determined by anyone other than me. Do you know how many fucking tickets I've had to eat that I can't use and nobody else wants? Are the Patriots going to reimburse me for those? No. So why should they limit my sale of tickets on games that are more valuable when I have a need to sell them. It's none of their business. If they are willing to buy back all of my tickets that I can't use at face value, that's one thing. Otherwise, they need to butt the fuck out.

I don't tell them how much to sell their beer for, and they need to keep their noses out of their season ticket holders' business.
 

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I'm not sticking up for ticket scalpers. I'm sticking up for free market economics. And I'm bashing the Patriots for this gross invasion of the privacy of people who may have bought or sold their tickets on Stubhub, which, in my view, is none of their fucking business. If you think $1000 is too much for a ticket, don't buy it. Nobody has a gun to your head. Watch the fucking game on TV.

But as a season ticket holder, I resent having to sell my tickets at a price determined by anyone other than me. Do you know how many fucking tickets I've had to eat that I can't use and nobody else wants? Are the Patriots going to reimburse me for those? No. So why should they limit my sale of tickets on games that are more valuable when I have a need to sell them. It's none of their business. If they are willing to buy back all of my tickets that I can't use at face value, that's one thing. Otherwise, they need to butt the fuck out.

I don't tell them how much to sell their beer for, and they need to keep their noses out of their season ticket holders' business.
:clap: You put it perfectly.

I understand what the Patriots are trying to do, and in a way I don’t necessarily fault them for it. It is in their best interest for a person who wants tickets to buy an additional one (or better yet, season tickets) through them instead of from you as yours is a ticket that they have already received a profit from. This is why they want to get people to register on their site if they want to buy tickets, so they can send them spam regarding buying through them. I get that they want to make as much money as possible.

What I don’t get is how can they do this? If I buy a chair from “Bobs Chair Company” and later sell it to someone else, “Bob’s Chair Company” doesn’t get to stop me and force that person to only buy the chair through them. If so, Ebay would have been shut down long ago. How do the Pats get to do this?

Also, the way they are going about it (e.g., forcing stub hub to give up the names) is pretty fucked-up.
 
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