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Anyone watch the Republican debate?

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  1. Josh_R

    Josh_R Registered User

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    Last night MSNBC and Politico hosted another Republican debate, anyone see it?
    I thought there were some pretty good jabs at each other, but nothing really new. They were clearly biased toward Mitt Romney/ Rick Perry, since each of them probably got twice the airtime of any other candidate in the debate. I think they only specifically asked about 2 questions each directly to Santorum/Cain/Bachmann/ or Paul. They asked about 10 questions about Rick Perry's book, which must have been a nice free plug. It really looked like MSNBC was more interested in choosing the next candidate to lose to Obama, than providing information on each candidate to the voter.
    Oh, and Rick Perry called Obama a liar. It is nice to hear a politician use that magic "L" word that they all try to avoid while using euphemisms for "liar". If you believe that someone lied, call them on it pussies.
     
  2. Owenay

    Owenay Those who fail to learn from history are doomed...

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    I watched it and agree with most of what you said.

    Perry calling him a liar was one of my highlights. It was pertaining to Obama's recent visit to El Paso when he said that the border was safer now than at any time in history. Perry said, "either he has some of the poorest intel of any president in the history of this country or he was an abject liar to the American people."
    :clap:

    Based solely on THIS debate I rank them:
    Cain, Gingrich, Perry, Santorum, Romney, Paul, Bachmann, Huntsman

    How I rank them in who I think has the best shot at actually winning the nomination:
    Perry, Romney, Cain, Paul, Gingrich, Bachmann, Huntsman, Santorum
     
  3. Voss's Tumor

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    Perry's a career politician, he's amazing at knowing exactly when to pull out certain tactics and how to do it all while still coming across as the good guy.

    He'll make a shit president, though.
     
  4. SOS

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    did it change anyone's impressions?
     
  5. Badfinger

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    I watched it and I was hoping to like Rick Perry but I really don't. He seems like more of the same.

    My main issue this time around is who can beat Obama and I don't think any of them can right now unless republicans and independents get serious about finding a candidate who will NOT be more of the same. We're really screwed if we don't realize that it's time for a drastic change in direction.

    As time goes by I'm starting to like Ron Paul more and more.
     
  6. Party Rooster

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    His attack on Paul about him shifting his support away from Reagan in the 80's was a major fail though. Paul should have ended that whole retort with "Doesn't matter if it's a Republican from California or one from Texas, there's no excuse for rampant deficit spending whether it was in the 80's or just a few years ago."

    Loved how Romney threw in that little jab about him "inventing" all those jobs down in Texas and compared it to Gore inventing the internet. Romney should have prefaced it with "his buddy Al Gore" for maximum effect.

    Really feel bad for people like Bachmann and Santorum. They should have definitely gotten more time. I've actually warmed up to her the last few weeks. Eight people in the debate is too much. There's no way Gingrich or Token should have been anywhere near that stage.

    Still don't think Perry will end up getting it over Romney though. Maybe throw a bone to the conservatives with a VP slot like they did with Palin in '08.
     
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    I didn't watch because I hate them all except Paul, and there's no way Paul is going to win with the media fucking he takes on a daily basis.

    No matter what happens over the next year, it's going to be 4 more years of dogshit. Whether it's from the negro, the Mormon, or the stupid Texan, it'll be 4 more years.
     
  8. MagicBob

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    no need... you can sum up their views without having them speak...

    no gay marriage
    no abortion ever
    teach religion in schools
    drop the EPA and let companies pollute all the want and make money doing it


    what else do you need to know about them?
     
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    Your stupidity is astounding.
     
  10. Party Rooster

    Party Rooster Unleash The Beast

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    Well at least they'll just be able to say they inherited it from Obama when they take office...
     
  11. Don the Radio Guy

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    Would you care to explain this?
     
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    wait, you mean to tell me they have some other staggering new plank to their platforms? no?

    look, we get it, every time someone says something you dont like and have no rebuttal to you resort to personal attacks. Its a tired act.
     
  14. Owenay

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    Not drastically.

    Cain impressed me more than I thought he would. He usually comes off a bit uncomfortable and a tad too reliant on his pre-rehearsed talking points. Last night he was more relaxed and focused. He spoke of specifics at just about every opportunity. I just don't know if he rally has what it takes to lead a nation.

    Gingrich was very similar. When this cycle began I would've ranked Newt DEAD LAST on my list. Now he's firmly in the middle of my pack. What I'm ultimately looking for in my next POTUS aside from a plan to get the economy fixed is someone who will lead the charge in exposing the ROOT of the problem which in my opinion is Progressivism, Keynesianism, the entitlement culture, and the decay of American values and exceptionalism. Essentially what I'm looking for is someone similar to Ronald Reagan. Of these 8 candidates I think Newt best recognizes and articulates those beliefs. His problem is that for all of the claps I give him during debates he almost always winds up going on Greta or something the next day and says something that makes me want to punch him.

    Santorum is very similar to Gingrich. But even though I trust him more than Newt, the realist in me recognizes that he doesn't stand a chance in hell of getting the nomination. I think he would make a pretty good VP or perhaps something along the lines of Secretary of the Interior or even Homeland Security. He's also got that whole Catholic, anti-gay marriage thing that is ALWAYS placed front and center whenever his name comes up that even though I personally understand and respect his position, most do not.

    Romney keeps slowly getting better, but I don't trust him at all. His failure to admit that Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme that's doomed to failure is just dumb. He seems determined to only highlight the benefit Social Security is to so many people, but simply because it helps doesn't mean it is a good program in its current incarnation. The fact that the establishment GOP has pretty much decided that Romney is their boy is reason alone for me to be VERY wary of him.

    I don't trust Perry either, but for some reason he seems like he may actually understand where the root problem with our country lies. If it's just an act then he's fucking GOOD. He's great on the Border and Texas has been one of the few states showing any signs of life for the last few years. On the other hand the whole Gardasil thing is just despicable.

    Bachmann continues to fade. It's not that she's been bad, quite the contrary actually, she just seems a bit too dependant on her pre-rehearsed talking points. I agree with her the majority of the time, but somehow she just comes off kinda plastic. I think she'll remain integral in fixing things, just she'll be doing it from within Congress or perhaps in a key Cabinet role, I just don't think she's quite right for our next President.

    Ron Paul is so bizarre I don't even know where to begin. Economically he's dead on, but so are others. Constitutionally he's dead on, but again so are others. When he speaks it's as if he's battling some severe A.D.D., constantly peppering in barely relevant thoughts into his responses. Focus man! I always feel like I agree with his rambling, but he's just so all over the map. Don't even get me started on his views of the threat-level and motives of radical Islam or America's negative influence on the world. There's just no way I can support him in the primary.

    Huntsman seems like he could be a very good speaker, but I disagree with him on just about every policy issue. Having the endorsement (if you can really call it that) of people like Chris Matthews and Michael Moore is really not a good sign. At the end of the day I would vote for ANY of the people over Obama. Huntsman is the only one who would really make me consider going 3rd party.
     
  15. Owenay

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    That was pretty funny!

    not brought up, not a key issue.

    not brought up, not a key issue.

    not brought up, not a key issue. As a matter of fact, not even a part of the any of their belief systems. At least not as you seem to understand it.

    Yes, but massive reform is also on the table.

    This is just retarded. NOBODY wants companies to 'get rich off of polluting'. To even suggest such a thing is extremely naive.
     
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    I used to think it was all a "bit" with her. After finding out more about her I can see basically her and Ron Paul are the only two out there right now that I would say are bonafide "Tea Party" candidates. They've both been championing Tea Party principles looooong before it was fashionable to do so.

    Sure some of her stuff might be a little too extreme for my tastes but I really think her heart's in the right place and she really believes what she says. That's where I think she diverges with someone like Palin. And even with her staunch conservative views she wouldn't be a deal-breaker for me voting Republican again if she was on the ticket as a VP.

    She absolutely killed in the first debate and think it was totally unfair that she didn't get more air time. I realize it was Perry's first one (and that he's leading in the polls), but I think they paid way too much attention to him.

    And poor Ron Paul. If he didn't favor such an unrealistic isolationist foreign policy he could be totally up there. As it is, that even eliminates him as a VP pick since the Veep has to do all that diplomatic shit when the president is unable to attend. Love to see him get a Treasury cabinet nod though.
     
  17. MagicBob

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    cept for violating the constitution and being a plank in their platform


    cept for their views on it running contrary to the majority of americans and being a plank in their platform

    cept for violating the constitution and it being a stated plank in their platform that they DO want to teach the religious view of how the world was created as fact in public schools.


    well then they are both extremely naive as they seem to the think that if it only were for those derned enviromental regulations, you know, the ones that keep you from polluting, businesses would be making WAY more money.


    the point here wasnt to debate their platform. The point was that Bachmann and Santorum's platform are already well known. They espouse all of the things I posted. What else is there to know about them really?
     
  18. Badfinger

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    I can't decide if Ron Paul is a genius or just crazy.
    It would be great to live in his world of peace and prosperity. I just don't know how long it would last until someone stomped on us like a bug.
     
  19. Party Rooster

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    Cain definitely improved over the last one but I still don't get his appeal. He worked as a lobbyist and for the Fed. He supported the bailouts. How any true conservative can overlook especially the last one baffles me. I think maybe they're being a little-color blind... :icon_cool

    Gingrich is a career politician and has way too much baggage.

    I agree with most of this. Still think it's too early to count him out.

    He's a realist. SS is not a ponzi scheme in the sense anymore than every other investment people put their money into basically is as well. It was taking in more than it was paying out until just a couple of years ago.

    And by realist I mean he realizes there's no way he's going to get any senior Republican/independent votes threatening to take SS away from them. Face it, it's here to stay, so adjust the payroll taxes accordingly and up the retirement age to reflect changing demographics. I actually appreciate that he's got the balls to stand up to the GOP establishment on things like that.

    He's not great on the border. Hiring half a dozen more Texas Rangers doesn't seem like he's doing anything all that extra special unless there's something on his policies I'm missing out on.

    His "stats" on the economy, health care, education and others are also not so impressive when you delve into it a bit more. He really lost against Romneycare on that one last night.

    Her inexperience in these national debates showed a little last night. I think she was seething from how Perry has commanded all the attention since her great showing in Iowa. And it's kind of not her fault. When you go from sort of center-stage like the last one to an also-ran like the rest it's got to be a huge blow to her. Not to mention she didn't really get the extra time to expound on her talking points like Perry and Romney did.

    That A.D.D./Focus comment made me LOL. I already commented on his foreign policy failings.

    Still (even after last night) don't know enough about him to really like him one way or another.
     
  20. Hate & Discontent

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    Look, leave me out of your bullshit.
     
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    http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-perry-romney-twist-records-debate-021556685.html
     
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    That's a fact as much as it's a fact that my cock is a fire-breathing purple dragon from Cocksylvania.
     
  24. Josh_R

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    This is the problem with people who misunderstand libertarian views (no offense to you, just trying to explain). Are we safer by having nearly our whole military some place besides the United States, or would we be safer if the entire military was stationed inside the United States? Most people always forget the second part about ending wars in foreign countries: all those guys come home to protect it.
    I don't see how not fighting perpetual wars for shit that we know FOR A FACT was untrue (Iraq) is so unrealistic. Paul hates when people call him isolationist. Not attacking people is not isolationism. He is all for diplomacy and free trade. He even favors talking to our enemies, which is more inclusive than most conservatives.
    http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/12/ron_paul_isolationism_isnt_wha.html
     
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    *rimshit*... oh I mean *rimshot*:action-sm
     

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