Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Neon, Oct 11, 2013.
HTN aside, this is pretty messed up.
unions are what make america great
Well they have to keep those union dues rolling in...
NYC Teacher Pay Grades...
Isn't it always illegal?
It's just bad writing. I think they meant to say "Possession or use of child pornography, which is illegal." It's a bad way to put it and also a moot point because who doesn't know that? No need to mention that at all.
Sounds like his HDD should be checked.
Yeah... but those perverts work 70 + hours/week. All the good, perverted teachers do. Oldmandick said so.
Even if they worked 70 hours a week (they don't), that's a starting pay in NYC of $18/hour for a recent graduate with a Bachelor's degree. That's better than many private industry jobs... you know, the kind of jobs where you're held accountable for your actions and have to produce results.
My high school in Brooklyn is now known as "Horndog High"
Here's some more info on James Madison High school
we haven't heard anything out of @Mikefrombx lately right?
The thin No. 2 line.
Here I come...
There is a really big problem with the current system. We need tenure protection to encourage real education. But tenure is abused constantly. At this point there are too many politics in education, everyone here bitches about the government trying to get into how they raise their child and then side with politics in education.
There are way too many tethers put into the field way too quickly and then once they get protection they start fucking up. The nonsense with bad teachers and terrible teachers, is something that really bothers good teachers.
As a good teacher and a true educator I am fucking disgusted by this bullshit. I am in education for a reason not for a fucking paycheck and to attack my salary is something disheartening. I might not be teaching your kids, but I am teaching people every day.
Now I will get off my soapbox
Tenure is a ridiculous fucking concept.
So offer to take a pay cut or work for free.
Teachers continue to demand more money, more benefits, and more job security... but have done nothing to increase the quality of education kids are getting these days. Now many teachers would argue it's not their fault, that they do the best they can... to which I answer "then why invest more money in your salaries?"
If teachers can't increase the quality of education kids leave school with, then throwing more money at teachers is simply idiotic... it won't help our kids any. Maybe instead of paying teachers $60k+ a year, we pay them $30k and invest that other $30k into something that actually can increase the value these kids will have to society at 18.
It's a cost/benefit equation... and right now our country is not seeing a benefit equal to how much it cost to education children... a cost that is largely based on the salaries of teachers and administrators.
I have no problem with a teacher that actually produces results earning a good living... but that salary should not guaranteed simply because you stuck around long enough.
Here is the problem, every time you try to have teachers get involved and create curriculum, programs and schools, politics get into play and fuck up the works. Common core design by teachers, focusing on teacher effectiveness and improving teachers gets fucked when out into implementation be a useful everyone wants results tomorrow and not put in the time and effort to make it work.
Fuck taking a payout, I am not out for more of anything. I am happy with what I have. If you want to make education work out teachers in control, look at Finland.
I'm with the teachers. These kids are getting to hot.
Indeed. You promote laziness when you take away the motivation
to do a good job in order to keep your job.
But teachers an administrators are a big reason why the system is what it is. Failed programs like No Child Left Behind are a result of education costing so much that the feds have to give schools money... and when you get money from the feds, you also get stipulations. If education was cheap enough to be funded by the community these schools exist in (which is how it should be), then the community and individual teachers would have much more input on the curriculum.
Instead we have unions, who are destroying our education system by removing accountability, by focusing on the teachers instead of the students, and so on.
Tenure is acquired after 2 years in some school district! 2 years of not fucking up too badly, and you're set to coast to retirement.
A 26 year old teacher could acquire tenure. It's fucking ridiculous.
The programs and policies that you talk about are all formed and funded by politics not education. If you want to go back to the community funded schools you go back to segregation. Education reform started in the 1980s due to the rapid imbalance in results in poor schools in ghetto neighborhoods.
And the result? It brings every district down to the lower level... not bringing the worst districts up to the highest.
I BLAME THE JEWS!
Unions are destroying this country. I was an assistant manager at a chain drug store during college. I was working 50 hours a week and making 35k a year. Some of my employees, whose only job is to stock shelves, were making 50k a year. I did 100x the work and they were making more money and working less hours. That job lasted 6 months.