Bill Donahue Advocates Defending Kid Touchers...

tatsu

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/13/us/catholic-church-pressures-victims-network-with-subpoenas.html

Catholic Church Puts Legal Pressure on Abuse Groups

Turning the tables on an advocacy group that has long supported victims of pedophile priests, lawyers for the Roman Catholic Church and priests accused of sexual abuse in two Missouri cases have gone to court to compel the group to disclose more than two decades of e-mails that could include correspondence with victims, lawyers, whistle-blowers, witnesses, the police, prosecutors and journalists.

The group, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, known as SNAP, is neither a plaintiff nor a defendant in the litigation. But the group has been subpoenaed five times in recent months in Kansas City and St. Louis, and its national director, David Clohessy, was questioned by a battery of lawyers for more than six hours this year. A judge in Kansas City ruled that the network must comply because it “almost certainly” had information relevant to the case.

The network and its allies say the legal action is part of a campaign by the church to cripple an organization that has been the most visible defender of victims, and a relentless adversary, for more than two decades. “If there is one group that the higher-ups, the bishops, would like to see silenced,” said Marci A. Hamilton, a law professor at Yeshiva University and an advocate for victims of clergy sex crimes, “it definitely would be SNAP. And that’s what they’re going after. They’re trying to find a way to silence SNAP.”

Lawyers for the church and priests say they cannot comment because of a judge’s order. But William Donohue, president of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, a church advocacy group in New York, said targeting the network was justified because “SNAP is a menace to the Catholic Church.”

Mr. Donohue said leading bishops he knew had resolved to fight back more aggressively against the group: “The bishops have come together collectively. I can’t give you the names, but there’s a growing consensus on the part of the bishops that they had better toughen up and go out and buy some good lawyers to get tough. We don’t need altar boys.” (uhhuuuuull!!! Isn't that GREAT!)



He said bishops were also rethinking their approach of paying large settlements to groups of victims. “The church has been too quick to write a check, and I think they’ve realized it would be a lot less expensive in the long run if we fought them one by one,” Mr. Donohue said.

However, a spokeswoman for the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, Sister Mary Ann Walsh, said Mr. Donohue was incorrect.

“There is no national strategy,” she said, and there was no meeting where legal counsel for the bishops decided to get more aggressive.

Mr. Clohessy and others founded the survivors network as a loose collective of volunteers who had been victimized by Catholic priests. Their goal was to help others grapple with the emotional and psychological fallout. They make referrals to therapists and lawyers, and hold protests outside church offices.

The group has three paid staff members, two part-time administrators and volunteers who lead 55 chapters in the United States and about 8 overseas. Its total revenue for 2010 was $352,903, some of it donations by lawyers who have sued the church. The group says it has spent about $50,000 and hundreds of hours of staff time since the subpoenas began, and is now arranging for lawyers who will work pro bono.

When the scandal over clergy sexual abuse reached a peak in Boston in 2002, American bishops met at their conference in Dallas with network members who gave emotional testimony about the toll of the abuse. But relations have deteriorated since then, and SNAP members say bishops now refuse to meet with them.

The first indication that the network would be caught up in legal proceedings came from Kansas City, where Bishop Robert W. Finn last year became the first American bishop ever to be criminally indicted for failure to report suspected child abuse.

Mr. Clohessy received a subpoena in October at his St. Louis home, where he works, regarding the case John Doe B.P. v. the Rev. Michael Tierney and the Diocese of Kansas City-St. Joseph.

Four plaintiffs are accusing Father Tierney of sexually abusing them years ago. The cases would be outside the statute of limitations in Missouri, but the plaintiffs contend they recovered their memories of abuse only recently.

The subpoena asked that Mr. Clohessy turn over all documents in the last 23 years that mention repressed memory, any current or former priest in Kansas City, the diocese, Father Tierney, John Doe or Rebecca Randles, the attorney for the plaintiffs.

The church’s lawyers say they need to see SNAP’s records to investigate whether Ms. Randles violated a gag order by giving the group information about one of the Tierney cases before it was filed, which the group then included in a news release.

Ms. Randles said in an interview: “I certainly didn’t violate the gag order that is based on the ethics rules. And I did get an informal opinion from the Missouri bar ethics council indicating that it was acceptable to give an advance copy of the petition as long as my client had given me permission to do so.”

Ten victims’ advocacy groups filed a supporting brief arguing that the subpoena was unconstitutional. The Missouri Press Association also filed a supporting brief.

However, Judge Ann Mesle of Missouri Circuit Court in Jackson County ruled that Mr. Clohessy must release the files and be deposed because he “almost certainly has knowledge concerning issues relevant to this litigation”

Mr. Clohessy was deposed in January by lawyers for five accused priests and the diocese. In the 215-page transcript, made public on March 2, most of the questions were not about the case but about the network — its budget, board of directors, staff members, donors and operating procedures.

Mr. Clohessy testified that he had never had contact with John Doe.

“It was not a fishing expedition,” Mr. Clohessy said. “It was a fishing, crabbing, shrimping, trash-collecting, draining the pond expedition. The real motive is to harass and discredit and bankrupt SNAP, while discouraging victims, witnesses, whistle-blowers, police, prosecutors and journalists from seeking our help.”
Many of the questions were intended to prove that the group does not meet the definition of a **** crisis center. If it did, the group’s records would be shielded under a Missouri statute.

In a damaging admission, Mr. Clohessy answered, “Sure,” when asked whether his group had ever issued a press release that contained false information. In an interview on Monday, he said his response had been an acknowledgment that there must have been some errors in the thousands of news releases and alerts that the group had sent out over the years, “but never intentionally, and never mistakes of substance.”

While Mr. Clohessy was being deposed, another network employee in St. Louis, Barbara Dorris, received a subpoena involving the case of Jane Doe 92 v. the Archdiocese of St. Louis, et al.

That subpoena was nearly identical to the one issued to Mr. Clohessy, said Ken Chackes, the attorney for Jane Doe. It requested all correspondence about repressed memory even though the Jane Doe case does not involve repressed memory.

Mr. Chackes said, “I assume there’s some kind of communication” between the church lawyers in the two cities.

In the Kansas City case, SNAP refused to turn over all the subpoenaed documents or answer all the questions in the deposition. So attorneys for the church and the priests have filed a motion to compel SNAP to comply. A hearing on the motion is scheduled for April 20.

The experience has sent a chill through the network’s volunteers, Ms. Dorris said. “They want to do what’s right, and they want to help others, but this is a threat,” she said. “I think for some it’s strengthened their resolve, but others are scared.”
Hoo Boy...
 

AnthonOpe

Registered User
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Oh SNAP. The Catholic church cares about the church and money, not about victims or admitting that there are kid toucher priests.
 

Motor Head

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#3
Typical. Do evil shit, then when you get caught - do even more evil shit. Fuck the pope and his big pointy hat.
 

LiddyRules

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#4
Muslims do bad things. Leave the Catholics alone.
 

Lord Zero

Viciously Silly
#5
I'm convinced that Bill Donohue has no real conscience.
 

Motor Head

HIGHWAY TRASH REMOVAL
#6
Muslims do bad things. Leave the Catholics alone.
Well if I had to choose between sucking priest cock or having my head cut off by a savage - Father, would you like me to cup the balls?
 

Psychopath

I want to fuck your girlfriend.
#8
Did he come out and say anything about the upcoming Philadelphia Church sex abuse case?
 

d0uche_n0zzle

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#9
Bill has proven himself to be the lowest scummy cunt. Ever.
 

DeadAnus

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#10
Well I don't see an issue here. Whose to say some of those kids didn't enjoy themselves?
 

MayrMeninoCrash

Liberal Psycopath
#13
How long before the usual suspects get here to argue that the Church is protected by the First Amendment to keep molesting children.
 

LiddyRules

I'm Gonna Be The Bestest Pilot In The Whole Galaxy
#14
I thought the argument was that making fun of the Church was the actions of hacky Norton parrot-lemmings.
 

CaffeeDiva

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#15
I thought the argument was that making fun of the Church was the actions of hacky Norton parrot-lemmings.
I get what he's saying in the sense that artistically it's outdated to make fun of the Church, in the same way that it wasn't edgy to make a Michael Jackson pedophilia joke since the early 90's. It's not even "not edgy", it's just all been covered. You have to have a really funny take on something as a comedian to make a bit on Christianity work now, because the subject's been beaten to death.

In politics, religion and economics, Jim has occasionally formed complex opinions based on false premises, so I've learned to really tone down my giving a fuck about his thoughts on the matter.
 

BIV

I'm Biv Dick Black, the Over Poster.
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I get what he's saying in the sense that artistically it's outdated to make fun of the Church, in the same way that it wasn't edgy to make a Michael Jackson pedophilia joke since the early 90's. It's not even "not edgy", it's just all been covered. You have to have a really funny take on something as a comedian to make a bit on Christianity work now, because the subject's been beaten to death.

In politics, religion and economics, Jim has occasionally formed complex opinions based on false premises, so I've learned to really tone down my giving a fuck about his thoughts on the matter.

Sorry, but the catholic church always has been, always will be and absolutely should be the target of ridicule. The entire nazi loving, kid toucher protecting, brainwashing organization should be torn down to it's foundations.

The Vatican deserves glassification just as much as any region of the middle east.
 
#17
oh sure, go after the easy target, because you know the catholics won't cut your head off.

amidoingthisrite? ;)
 

Creasy Bear

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Bill Donahue is the official defender and alter boy holder downer for the Catholic church.
 

Creasy Bear

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I get what he's saying in the sense that artistically it's outdated to make fun of the Church, in the same way that it wasn't edgy to make a Michael Jackson pedophilia joke since the early 90's. It's not even "not edgy", it's just all been covered. You have to have a really funny take on something as a comedian to make a bit on Christianity work now, because the subject's been beaten to death.

In politics, religion and economics, Jim has occasionally formed complex opinions based on false premises, so I've learned to really tone down my giving a fuck about his thoughts on the matter.
Criticizing child molesters is so 1992.
 

CousinDave

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#20
Its time for religious real property to be taxed like any other piece of real estate
 

Bobobie

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#21
Its time for religious real property to be taxed like any other piece of real estate
Yeah, and while were at it, lets get rid of all those pesky guns. Also, all those people running their mouths about whatever they want. Let's put a stop to that too.
 

BIV

I'm Biv Dick Black, the Over Poster.
#22
Yeah, and while were at it, lets get rid of all those pesky guns. Also, all those people running their mouths about whatever they want. Let's put a stop to that too.
Exactly where in the constitution does it say churches cannot be taxed?

I'll help, it doesn't.
 

Creasy Bear

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#23
Yeah, and while were at it, lets get rid of all those pesky guns. Also, all those people running their mouths about whatever they want. Let's put a stop to that too.
Wha? What does gun ownership and free speech have to do with the churches running their tax-free religious racket?

The Vatican makes shitloads of money off the income on the properties and real estate they own. The Vatican is a money machine... a wealth holding and accumulating monster.

1. The Vatican has large investments with the Rothschilds of Britain, France and America, with the Hambros Bank, with the Credit Suisse in London and Zurich. In the United States it has large investments with the Morgan Bank, the Chase-Manhattan Bank, the First National Bank of New York, the Bankers Trust Company, and others. The Vatican has billions of shares in the most powerful international corporations such as Gulf Oil, Shell, General Motors, Bethlehem Steel, General Electric, International Business Machines, T.W.A., etc. At a conservative estimate, these amount to more than 500 million dollars in the U.S.A. alone.

2. The Vatican's treasure of solid gold has been estimated by the United Nations World Magazine to amount to several billion dollars. A large bulk of this is stored in gold ingots with the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank, while banks in England and Switzerland hold the rest. But this is just a small portion of the wealth of the Vatican, which in the U.S. alone, is greater than that of the five wealthiest giant corporations of the country. When to that is added all the real estate, property, stocks and shares abroad, then the staggering accumulation of the wealth of the Catholic church becomes so formidable as to defy any rational assessment.

3. The Catholic church is the biggest financial power, wealth accumulator and property owner in existence. She is a greater possessor of material riches than any other single institution, corporation, bank, giant trust, government or state of the whole globe. The pope, as the visible ruler of this immense amassment of wealth, is consequently the richest individual of the twentieth century. No one can realistically assess how much he is worth in terms of billions of dollars.
Yet you think anything that calls itself a church should be exempt from paying taxes for the same reason why we have the right to own a gun and call someone else a poopy head? How does one justify the other? How does that work?
 

Party Rooster

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#24
It's not Donahue's fault. He saw the ten-year-olds getting rayped in the shower and reported it to a Higher Authority and thought He would take care of it. :icon_cool
 
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